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How come Japan never really has a classic rock band? Like a band you think of when you think of rock in Japan. Do they produce too much shit or something? The only real band I can really consider encompassing rock shit is X Japan and they were a bit too visual kei.

The west has a shit load of classic rock bands like AC/DC, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Pink Floyd, etc. but Japan has none? What is up with that?

>> No.1354181

Alot of J-rock shit is actually pop rock. That's why noone thinks of Japan when they think of rock.

>> No.1354185

America has a much richer artistic and cultural background than Japan.

>> No.1354186

Rock is a western invention.

/thread

>> No.1354188

You mean like, the Sex Machineguns?

>> No.1354190

>West

AC/DC

>> No.1354196

>>1354190

Protip: Ausfags are part of the western world.

>> No.1354202

>>1354188

Does anyone really think about them when thinking about great rock unless you are a weeaboo?

>> No.1354213
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... What?

>> No.1354218

Flower Travelling Band. Thread over.

>> No.1354224

>>1354218
Worthless compared to the Grateful Dead.

>> No.1354234

what about the Alfie? Also, Japan was majorly fucked after WWII, I doubt they had immediate access to rock n'roll, hell they were imitating America's 50s culture in the 60s...

>> No.1354230

Only weeaboos and people like....well us would ever think of Japanese bands when they think of good rock music.

>> No.1354237

>>1354230

...what about Tokyo Jihen, Mass of the Fermenting Dregs, 9mm Parabellum Bullet?

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>>1354237

...OP said bands people think of for good rock. Not weeaboo shit.

>> No.1354248

>>1354190
AC/DC fucking suck.

Also, "western" refers to culture, not geography.

>> No.1354255

How about........wait...since when are J-rock bands taken seriously as real music? I thought they were just boy bands singing pop with instruments.

>> No.1354257

>>1354177
most of Japan's good bands didn't surface till late 80s or early 90s

You also have a very vague definition of rock.

To me my examples are The Pillows and Thee Michelle Gun Elephant

>> No.1354258

Japan sucks at rock. Everyone knows the best Japanese music is slick, polished synthetic pop music.

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>>1354255

You best be joking nigger...

>> No.1354260

I always thought Japan really leaned more towards pop rock than the rock we think of in the west.

>> No.1354263

Luna Sea, L'Arc, B'z. By the time rock made it over to Japan it was already mostly prog rock or synth rock (thank god).

>> No.1354261

>>1354257
Good call on both counts.

>> No.1354262

The Pillows mix jazz and Alternative Rock well.
Here are their two best albums, enjoy!

http://rapidshare.de/files/40116152/little_busters___please_mr._lostman.zip.html

>> No.1354265

Sex Machineguns were god damn awesome.

>> No.1354267

How about Ellegarden? They are closer to punk but at least they don't do the boy band pop shit.

>> No.1354268

I never understood why any self-respecting japanophile would listen to visual kei. It's just weeaboo "Japanese therefore it's good" bullshit. It's just as bad as liking Newfoundglory or My Chemical Romance.

>> No.1354273

Onmyouza.

>> No.1354275

>>1354268
the modern weeaboo is into those, visual kei is big with the young generation of anime fans, the older anime fans hate that shit, at least I know I do, but i'm an elitist fuck

>> No.1354277

>>1354267
Ugh, fucking pop punk sung in jap...

No, listen to more fucking Pillows.

>> No.1354280

>>1354275 the older anime fans hate that shit
When I was at uni, half the people in the anime club liked D'espairs Ray and L'arc-en-Ciel.

>> No.1354281

>>1354273

No. I can't stand their shit. Shitty metal wannabe band.

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>>1354275
If by "young generation" you mean those who are just plain new. It's cyclical. you're new to the scene and it's interesting and new, but gets old. Which is why it persists today, when it should have died out a while a go.

Also, this undoubtedly fits into the "classic rock" of Japan, as it were. They started in 85 or so.

>> No.1354283

The only good japanese band is Boris

>> No.1354293

So where does Sambomaster, Asian Kung-Fu Generation, A Band Apart, Ging Nang Boyz, Going Steady, and Maximum the Hormone fit into the weeaboo spectrum?

>> No.1354295

>>1354280
when were you in uni? if you said last year, to me that's the younger generation.

>>1354177
OP don't know how you feel about female trio rock band but these girls are on par with The Pillows (of course they are also so closely associated with them)

noodles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YPUDfiByEc

>> No.1354300

>>1354280

This is still true. I see those girl weeaboos talking about some shitty visual kei band at the cafeteria at college. The guys were doing it too.

>> No.1354304

the style of music we label "classic rock" was a popular genre in the US during the 70s but japan is a different culture, on the opposite side of the world. they had they own musical fads during that time. might as well as "how come america never really had a classic enka band?"

>> No.1354305

The 5 6 7 8s are a good band. Play classic rock shit like surf rock etc.

>> No.1354308

>>1354304

We have country. Doesn't that come close?

>> No.1354309

>>1354295
The noodles do a decent show; I've seen them open for the Pillows twice.

>> No.1354315

>>1354309
so have I, saw them in Austin, I bought all their CDs the first time I saw them.

I really like their style, they have a lot of energetic songs

>> No.1354314

>>1354304
We DO have Enka, and he's black.

>> No.1354318

>>1354293

Fits right in the middle. Enjoy your screaming fangirls.

>> No.1354328

MAXIMUM THE HORMONE

NIGGA FUCKA

>> No.1354330

So are there no respected Japanese bands that are held in high regard on the international scale? I'm not talking about weeaboos orgasming over it or some elitist hipster music enthusiast loving it because it's relatively obscure but popular on the international level where some regular guy who likes rock music in general whether in SF or Dusseldorf will know of it.

>> No.1354333

>>1354285
Seikima II is the ONLY Japanese band.
Observe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRa0L7Hr2s4

>> No.1354341

>>1354330
The Alfie, Pizzicato Five, Cibo Matto (who one of the singers works on Gorillaz)

>> No.1354349

>>1354333
Nice.

>> No.1354356

>>1354330
Shonen Knife.

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>>1354255
Look where that got us.

>> No.1354359

>>1354341

Pizzcato five does pop and dance shit...

>> No.1354369

A lot of Japanese music sounds more melodic to me compared to its western counterpart. Maybe it's just me being underexposed to Japan's overall music scene - or maybe it's just my ignorance showing - but that seems to be reason why some consider Japanese music to be "kiddy music".

Thoughts/corrections?

>> No.1354370

>>1354333
lol is he wearing a kamen rider belt?

>>1354359
they are still a band

>> No.1354371

>>1354356
They aren't what I'd call good, but at least I knew of them before I had the internet, so you may have a point.

>> No.1354378

>>1354369
I fail to see how the degeneration of musical concepts and theory into senseless and simplistic rhythmic beats, makes it more kiddy. Then again, I only listen to touhou music.

>> No.1354381

>>1354370

That guy was talking about rock.

>>regular guy who likes rock music in general whether in SF or Dusseldorf will know of it.

>> No.1354390

>>1354369
I notice what you mean. Much of what I hear produced from Japan relies on more interesting chord-changes and melodies than Western music tends to (with a few exceptions). Eurobeat tends to have these chords too for obvious marketing reasons.

And, I don't see the big fuss about any J-Rock bands. At their very best they're not all that different from American rock bands; at worst they're obvious knockoffs or cheap boy bands. There is NO band you can find in Japan that you won't find a quality-equivalent variant of in the USA. Unless you're into Visual Kei (dead) or the cheapie pretty boys (which the USA has shitloads of), then just listen to good 'ol American R'nR.

>> No.1354397

>>1354381
Loudness then, but in any case, most metal heads are hard to please and OP is probably trolling anyway

>> No.1354407

>>1354390
Japan's post-rock is good.

>> No.1354412

>>1354397

Sex Machineguns and X Japan would be common knowledge for some old school metal heads.

>> No.1354418

SEIKIMA II IS CLASSIC ROCK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTtG9ERub5U&feature=related

>> No.1354450

Wow...this is actually a pretty civilized serious discussion thread.

Anyways alot of Japanese music these days is pretty commercialized...but then again what isn't? But it seems like the decent rock bands in Japan aren't really getting that much attention. Drowned out by the shit that is those pop rock bands and the synth techno pop shit.

>> No.1354467

RINDA RINDA!

>> No.1354472

>>1354450
sounds a lot like the american music industry

>> No.1354471

>>1354450
How is that different from anywhere else? have you listened to the radio lately?

>> No.1354473

So wait is L'arc en ciel weeaboo shit too?

>> No.1354477

>>1354472
>>1354471

We still get some good shit once in a while that gets attention.

>> No.1354482

>>1354450
> Drowned out by the shit that is those pop rock bands and the synth techno pop shit.

> this is actually a pretty civilized serious discussion

Out to stop it until it spreads to the rest of the board, I see.

>> No.1354506

Are you guys so afraid of revealing power levels that you won't listen to "weeaboo" music? Fuck you guys are self conscious...

>> No.1354531

>>1354506

No. We just don't listen to shit bands.

>> No.1354543

Not all visual kei is bad, dir en grey are visual kei and they have some awesome songs. But then you have garbage like an cafe and other bands where all the members dress like girls.


>>1354333
I knew that video would get posted in here when someone mentioned Seikima II earlier. Such an awesome video.

>> No.1354558

So why is visual kei so looked down upon but glam rock remembered upon fondly?

>> No.1354567

>>1354558
competence.

>> No.1354565

ive only listened to larc en ciel, dir en gray, and guitar wolf

seems like ive covered the bases good enough

>> No.1354574

>>1354506
Not really.

If you have diverse and wide tastes and knowledge in music, it's all the easier to pass off with listening to some weeaboo shit. Hell, I know non-weeaboos occasionally listening to weeaboo music (for the novelty of it, at the very least). The key word is occasionally. If people know you actually know and do something outside of your weeaboo hobbies, they shrug them off as a quirk, or may even get interested in them.

>> No.1354576

Boris

That's it.

>> No.1354577

>>1354558

Some glam rock bands were actually good. Or just played catchy songs. Fuck...Shout at the devil...

>> No.1354583

Rock? Need more Japanese country music like Sasao Miku

>> No.1354634

I like Furuido. Other than that and a couple of albums I've downloaded on Anon's recommendation, I don't have any Japanese music.

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/thread

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Greatest Japanese band

>> No.1354681

>>1354583
I prefer folk like Yoshida Takuro.

>> No.1354686

>>1354558
Because Bowie?

>> No.1354785

>>1354295
Anon demands more noodles.

>> No.1356104

LINDA LINDA LINDA LINDA LINDA LINDA

>> No.1356137

Surprised no one's mentioned Jam project. Some of their stuff is pretty good despite being made by elevens.

>> No.1356157

ENOZ is good shit.

>> No.1356174

>>1354177

Because Japanese thosedays had made their house of woods and papers.
So,there can not be a vibration.

There were such like lute,but it was used by telling a story.

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