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13531904 No.13531904 [Reply] [Original]

Touhou 15's Stage 3's song is called ''The Mysterious Shrine Maiden Flying Through Space'', isn't ZUN already revealing that Reimu's route is the canon one?

>> No.13531915

Also did Marisa lose her characteristic single braid?

>> No.13531945

four playable characters? is this real life? what's sanae doing there

>> No.13532228

The joke is that there's no "canon" route in Touhou.

Everything happens one way in another.

>> No.13532468

>>13531945
She's being the de facto third character of the playable cast.

>> No.13532606

>>13532228
Didn't IN and SSiB implied that Sakuya route was canon?

>> No.13532627

>>13531904
>implying
Sanae is a shrine maiden too.

>> No.13532661

>>13532606
Everything is canon, all routes happened.

>> No.13533079

>>13532228
>>13532661
Where did you get that from? That can't be since incidents only happen once and stop the moment they are solved by a character, the other scenarios being What Ifs. Aya shows in BAiJR that it's Reimu who solves the incidents up to IN. The Kanako shrine that she builds in her C MoF ending is in the manga, Yukari mentions in OSP when she and Reimu went underground during SA too and Reimu even smashes the orb camera she had in that game since it turns out it was still working and was sending Yukari a live feed of Reimu's life since the incident. Also Sukuna living with Reimu started off in an ending.

All of the routes can't be canon too because of their conflicting events, you don't solve an incident more than once. The endings too, otherwise Marisa would right now be an evil bitch working with Seija to take over the world.

>> No.13533083

>>13532627
Yeah but nobody gives a shit about Sanae.

>> No.13533095

None of this matters. What matters is that the stage themes in the demo are amazing and theres a sound to them that has been missing for several games. It sounds almost dark, like something really bad is going to happen. Almost like the PC-98 games.

>> No.13533103

>>13533079
The playable characters know all the other characters/bosses, I don't think this is possible without all the routes being canon.

>> No.13533111

>>13533095
Uh, could be it because TH15 is a serious game?

>> No.13533139

>>13533103
I like to think that if the games were movies or something instead of a game, the playable characters would all work together to solve the incident.

This would lead to fans interpreting certain characters as ridiculously powerful because by this standard it required 8 people to take down Eirin/Kaguya/Mokou, but we could circumvent that by saying maybe two of the teams went after Eirin and two after Kaguya.

>> No.13533146

>>13533079
Not him, but my guess it's the other characters tend to go till a certain point but then ditch the incident and go home while Reimu finishes the route. For example Marisa is known for having actually been underground during SA despite Reimu being the incident solver.

Also doesn't the whole cast beat IN? In the extra run Kaguya sends everyone to kill Mokou even asking them to use the same team combination.

>> No.13533168

>>13533146
Lotus Land Story and Imperishable Night has playable characters as bosses so they were definitely out and trying to solve the incident themselves, but the loser goes home and in some routes Reimu ends up being the loser so that doesn't really explain everything.

The fighting games are the only games where every route ends up being canon.

>> No.13533188

>>13533168
>the loser goes home

...pouts for a while then retries the game. It's called a bad ending.

>> No.13533197

>>13533103
Uh, you don't have to solve an incident to know a chatacter. Look at the extra backstory of TD (or was it DDC?) where Marisa says she wishes she had come.
>>13533146
That only happened in SA, see above.

Also in IN you fight characters that otherwise would be in a team and you send them home so they can't all be canon. BAiJR shows it was the Border team, also SSiB and I think CiLR.

>> No.13533212

>>13533139
The only time it has been shown that more than one character went to solve the incident in a mainline game was SA, in TD you even have Marisa saying in the extra backstory that she wishes she had come. All teams being canon in IN contradicts the fact that you send either Reimu or Marisa in stage 4.

>> No.13533234

>>13533197
Nigga, pay attention to the post you replied to. IN extra backstory.

>Make sure you go on this trial of guts as a 2-person team like you did when you came to me.

>> No.13533237

>>13533188
Wrong, that implies that then either Reimu or Marisa somehow forgot that they just solved an incident and then go solo in the forest and blame the playable team of being behind the incident.
>>13533168
Only SWR has hints of every route being canon. IaMP stops the moment Suika is beaten and Reimu's ending shows that Suika started living with her since. SWR shows this to be the canon ending since it shows that Suika moved from Reimu's place to Heaven because she got fooled into thinking Heaven was interesting.

>> No.13533247

>>13533234
Yes, what about it? That's being said to the 2 people who solved the incident, the routes literally cannot be all canon because they contradict each other.

>> No.13533280

>>13533237
Or maybe the pre-fight dialogues are just ritual posturing.

>>13533247
>That's being said to the 2 people who solved the incident

And that's why it's followed by
>the 4 of them went to call on their partners
Is reading the things you talk about too hard?

>> No.13533333

>>13533280
>Or maybe the pre-fight dialogues are just ritual posturing.
Yeah no, you can't just discard dialogue like that. Also by your logic the incident happened 4 times.

The extra backstory must be referring to something not shown because it certainly can't be the routes as not only do they contradict each other but implies that the incident occurred 4 times and everyone somehow forgot each time.

>> No.13533488

>>13533333
>you can't just discard dialogue like that

I'm not discarding anything. Not out of the actual contents of the dialogues. I just don't think they imply what you think they imply.

>by your logic the incident happened 4 times

Umm, no?

>The extra backstory must be referring to something not shown

This is where you normally employ Occam's Razor.

>> No.13533690

If in the fighting games all the routes happens in a order

then should be the same with the main games

>> No.13533762

>>13533488
>I just don't think they imply what you think they imply.
Dude there is nothing that can explain why Reimu and Marisa magically forget TWICE what happened and claim the playable team is the culprit.
>Umm, no?
Yes, that's what happens in each of the routes, they go to solve the incident, the incident stops the moment Kaguya is beaten so the only way for all 4 routes to be canon is if both Reimu and Marisa's memories were erased twice and the incident happened 4 times, at the same time, somehow.
>This is where you normally employ Occam's Razor.
And Occam's Razor says that there's only one canon route instead of pretending that all routes could have possibly happened when they contradict each other. BAiJR and SSiB show that the border team is the one that solved the incident. That quote from Kaguya in the backstory is probably ZUN trying his damnest to make the canon route seem ambiguous, at the time of the game's release at least, like he's known to do.

>> No.13533774

>>13533690
>If in the fighting games all the routes happens in a order
But that's not the case, only SWR, and that's more of a public-agreed consensus than a ZUN-confirmed one. For all you know it could have been a cool gimmick by TF. All the other games only have one canon route.
>then should be the same with the main games
Nope, the mainline games' routes not only conflict with each other (unlike SWR's) but they also only work if the incident has not been solved yet, making even 2 of them canon implies everyone has really bad memory and the incident happens over and over.

>> No.13533798

>>13533774
>only SWR
Did you even play ULiL?

>> No.13533810

>>13533798
Oh yeah the new game, that too.

>> No.13535574

>>13531915
She did. Fuck it's been there forever, it's almost like she got beheaded.

>> No.13535607

The Myouren Temple and the flying treasure ship/granary that was dismantled to build it exist concurrently in HM and ULiL.

Explain this, lorefags.

>> No.13537204

>>13535607
It was dismantled? From what I understood, the ship IS the temple, it only looks like a ship because of Nue's Seeds of the Unknown Form.

And they are never shown at the same time right next to each other, so you can't say they exist "concurrently". They probably use ship mode to go buy milk at the village or something.

>> No.13537959

Don't technically all the PoFV main character's stories happen at different times as well?

>> No.13538206

>>13537959
I think the endings did, but thats because they are "X character gets lectured".

>> No.13538260

>>13531904
Multiple Routes are implicitly implied through various means.

Like how in SA, Reimu can use Yukari and Marisa can use Alice, even though they come from the same game.

There's enough small references for all routes so one never really is canon

>> No.13538417

The multiplayer games make it pretty clear that all routes happen to some extent.

PoFV has everyone fight Eiki, and then Eiki checking on everyone in her own route,
SWR has a clear timeline, and a boss refight at the end,
HM has Kokoro being taught by the buddhists and Miko making her a new mask both as canon,
ULiL has a timeline just like SWR.
only IaMP seems to have "Suimusou ending" as the one true ending. Apart from that, you have people fighting each other, which is something pretty normal in Gensoukyou.

Generally, Reimu is the one who solves the incidents.
But there is evidence that Marisa also fights, although her reasons may not be solving the incidents themselves.
examples:
IN trial of guts for all 4 teams,
Yukari saying that she fought the 3 humans (Reimu, Marisa, Sakyua)
UFO Marisa B ending + Extra back story

>> No.13538646

>>13533079
>Aya shows in BAiJR that it's Reimu who solves the incidents up to IN
Youmu and Yuyuko's stage 4 in IN seems to imply that Marisa resolved PCB though.

>> No.13538668

reisen will be the true route but all 4 routes are happening at the same time.

>> No.13538681

Isn't it weird to call a shrine maiden we're already familiar with "mysterious"?

Maybe there will be a new mysterious shrine maiden!

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