/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

When did you give up on learning Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

when i met your mother

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>>13061324
When I finished learning it.

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>>13061353
But HOW did you meet her?

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>>13061324
when I seen the davido-kun youtube video

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>>13061498
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2FGgYp6mdk

[Anonymous No.]

how do you say 'never' in japanese

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>>13061512
fuck man, I didn't asked for seeing it again.
hits me hard even after years

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I didn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13061498
>>13061512
>>13061523
Isn't Aitor the new Davido

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKFKl22j1RY

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>>13061537

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I never started. If I can't learn Spanish, I probably can't learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

If I watch enough untranslated burmese stop motion animation films and stare at the squigly letters on the thai takeaway menu, I will master my Japanese one day!

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>>13061537
>>13061512
It's a little sad that Japan makes fun of people with severe autism. It's some pretty harsh bullying.

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>>13061591
No you won't

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>>13061609
No anon, Japan is autism

[Anonymous No.]

I considered it at one point

that was 5 years ago

imagine where i would be now haha

[Anonymous No.]

After learning the kanas and i had to start with grammar and vocabulary

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>>13061537
That's nothing compared to davido. He's just a huge fan. It's actually kinda cute. Reminds me of Viscant.

[Anonymous No.]

Why don't all the japanese just speak english?
That would be way less effort on my part.
They don't need to have perfect grammer or anything, It seems like they already know an acceptable amount.

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>>13061704
The languages are as different as you can imagine, they're two countries that developed at completely opposite ends of the world.
>grammer
grammar.

[Anonymous No.]

you need a tutor for intermediate stuff if you don't want to sound like an asshat and you need to not be caucasian

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>>13061704
The internet has actually given rise to a practical use for a universal language, so you see a lot more Japanese actually using it lately. Give it about 50 years.

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>>13061512
When the jap took the photo of davido's parents and calls his mother a maid...
How the japs tv programs may be so bastards?

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't.

Aiming for JLPT N1 this summer.

[Anonymous No.]

when chinese economic potential concretely surpassed japan

[agril No.]

when i finished 2 years of japanese class in high school

i was really good at it, i just have no motivation or self discipline

[Anonymous No.]

i will give up when i already live in japan

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>>13061876
I live in Japan and I still haven't given up.

There's always more to learn, tomod8.

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>>13061895
How old were you when you started studying and then how old when you moved.

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>>13061908
I started studying in college at 18 via classes, stopped after graduation at 22, and started again when I moved to Japan at around 24.

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When I started collage, my university's program kinda sucked and I figured my time would be better spent perusing a double major. I'll prolly try and pick it up again one day.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE

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>>13061932
>>13061912
Just asked because I didn't decide to really start studying seriously until this New Year's...and I'm already 24, which supposedly means acquiring a second language at this point is near impossible or some crap...but whatever, managed to pick up about 300 kanji already which seems like a fast pace but maybe it's actually not? Just gonna take this advice either way >>13061948

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>>13062025
I think the biggest hurdle when learning any language is finding time to practice. If you can find the time to work at it everyday or at the very least hear a significant amount of it (look to podcasts for this) on the days you can't practice you should be fine.

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>>13062025
>.and I'm already 24, which supposedly means acquiring a second language at this point is near impossible or some crap...
No. You're not that old that it should be detrimental to your learning a new language. Yet.

You'll only find it harder if you keep putting it off.

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>>13061912
Why did you move to Japan without knowing Jap? Did you find a non-teaching job there?

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>>13062080
I think he means that he was basically fluent but still didn't know some more advanced words/phrases maybe? After all even in English you don't actually have to know a lot of words used in Literature or Academia to be fluent...

>>13062074
>You'll only find it harder if you keep putting it off
Exact logic that made me want to start this last New Year's. Figured, if I'm gonna wanna learn at any point in life waiting any much more is just gonna make it harder.

[Anonymous No.]

I won't tell you what caused me to stop learning Japanese, because you weebs will start hating on it if you found out.

[Anonymous No.]

I never did. Passed N1 two years ago. Learning is a never-ending journey.

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>>13062394
come on mr anonymous, tell us your story

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>>13061324
Never even started to. Every time I've been to Japan everyone in the places I visit understand my english.

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>>13062394
>you weebs will start hating on it if you found out.
There's no real reason to learn it. It's like learning Klingon. Fun for the intellectual challenge as well as hobby aspect of it, sure, but what is the practical reason.

The Japanese learn English primarily as it opens them up to the whole of the world... i.e. they have more/better opportunities to make a living. Japanese opens you up to... Japan.

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>>13062394
>>13062532
>Japanese opens you up to... Japan.
Oh, and also the Japanese who will want to open up to you will likely already be learning English before you meet them.

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>>13061537
He looks like Harry Potter

[Anonymous No.]

Don't give up yet guys. I stuck through it and its worth it. I go on 2ch, watch anime without subs, and I have even been offered a good paying job(for someone without a degree) because of my japanese speaking skills. And when you do go to Japan it will make traveling their a lot more fun. good luck guys!!

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>>13062742
What kind of job are you getting friend?

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>>13062742
How long have you been studying?

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>>13062745
Administrative assistant, the pay is a little over $30k a year, a lot better than the $10 an hour I make now.

>>13062774
I've been studying for about 4 years now. I became fluent about 2 years ago. You never stop studying though. Especially when you don't live in Japan.

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>>13062080
I could already speak Japanese at a conversational level when I first came to Japan, but there's always more to learn when studying a language.

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>>13062025
I started when I was 35, about two years ago.
Learning is probably much slower at this age but it's not impossible.

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>>13061324
When I finished the courses at my local community college, could hold a conversation, but wasn't using it for anything other than anime and manga and I was too lazy to get a pen pal or something.

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>>13063199
That's awesome
I've been studying for two hours a day minimum for six almost seven months. Ive been obsessed with it.
Thanks for giving me more optimism about my decisions and bringing me hope.
What was your study routine?
Mine is anki than read for two hours minimum

[Anonymous No.]

>>13061591
There's no way to learn Japanese if you don't regularly attend Malaysian puppet theater shows.

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>>13061324
When they allowed me to pass with a mark like this... What's the point if they dont even take it seriously...

[Anonymous No.]

I entered high school starting to learn Japanese. Brought my flashcards every day and tried to study grammar at home. Ended up giving it up and trying to get good grades. Failed at that because I realized I was too lazy to do hard classes.
Later I learned that the other highschool in town had Japanese classes. I have many regrets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13065804
>A, B, A
>82/180
How exactly does getting below fifty percent get you an A, let alone a pass?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13061324
Back in 2002, when I was 12. Then again in 2007/2008, and two or three later points between 2008 and 2014.

I always end up getting nowhere and getting discouraged. I'd love to know Japanese but I just can't do it.

[Anonymous No.]

After two days I just lost interest

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>>13061618
Wow i needed that

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>>13061537
>feminine japanese
why do americans do this? Do they have no self awareness? It's like speaking with a prominent lisp

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>>13061522
You say it the same way you say "always not"

[Anonymous No.]

I gave up before I even started, i.e. when I learned about the existence of kanji. I refuse on principle to learn a language that uses any writing system that isn't literally just writing the sounds. It just makes it inaccessible and impractical for no fucking reason.

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>>13065877
He's passing on the shittiest, lowest level test. That basically certificates you as knowing how to say "ohayou". The dude's retarded.

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>>13066253
>I gave up before I even started, i.e. when I learned about the existence of kanji. I refuse on principle to learn a language that uses any writing system that isn't literally just writing the sounds. It just makes it inaccessible and impractical for no fucking reason.

Oh gee. I entered the thread to say the same thing, friend.

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>>13066253
>It just makes it inaccessible and impractical for no fucking reason.
The reason is that spaces did not exist in Japanese and tryingtoreadasentencewithoutanywaytomakeoutwherewordsstartandendisevenlesspractical. Yes, spaces are the more practical solution to this problem, but kanji exists to solve this problem, so it's not 'for no reason'.

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>>13061324
I didn't give up. I'm just passively learning.

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>>13066267
Your bait would have worked much better in the vn threads.

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>>13066253
>that isn't literally just writing the sounds

Do you even realize that kanji have one semantic side and a phonetic side? Of course not, since you seem to have given up on learning that before even getting to that part.

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>>13066298
What? Dude, I was just agreeing with him.

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>>13066289
Retarded theory, lots of alphabetic script also used that writing method for a long time in history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scriptio_continua

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>>13061324
What movie I that pic from I cant remember

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>>13061324
When one anon posted a picture of a cute drawn girl saying I can't learn japanese. That was the fucking day all my dreams ended, man.

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>>13061609
>Japan makes fun of people with severe autism.
I don't see either of these as making fun of people with autism. Well with Davido I'm fairly certain they didn't even consider that he might have autism.

If people there do know what it is then they see it as either bad parenting or lack of character.

If they knew what autism was and had considered it then maybe, just maybe they'd have found another person to make fun of. They found what they saw simply as a "useless eater" which they aren't fond of. They just lumped him in with hikiki-otaku.

They found it even more insulting that he was in their country not working or studying.

Japan has very little awareness of mental health compared to the west, which is why so many of the women are running around cray-cray and so many men kill themselves.

And the second one... how was she making fun of him? It was pretty obvious to me that she could tell he was 'different' and she was trying to be kind about it. I'm sure that many of her Japanese fans are autist as well and they would have to be nice to autists or they'd lose a major chunk of their fanbase/income.

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>>13066345
>Japan has very little awareness of mental health compared to the west, which is why so many of the women are running around cray-cray and so many men kill themselves.

I'd flip it the other way and say the West gives too much concessions to people with mental disabilities to the point stupid fucks exploit the system (i.e. /jp/ers and their "autism bucks".) We all know who to blame for all these enablings.

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>>13066353
Yes, indeed. Fucking moot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13066353
>We all know who to blame for all these enablings.
Sanae's people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13066338
I'm going to crush whatever hope you had left.

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>>13066353
People who aren't working are usually not working for a reason as no healthy human beings truly wants to be idle. Even if they fall into ASPD that is still a mental abnormality that is shown to have biological cases and it can't even be treated.

My point is, the amount people pay in taxes for 'autism bux' is a minuscule amount. But as always, they marginalized as used as a scapegoat for all manner of things. For people's frustrations, their own personal failures in life, to make themselves feel better, their own self-esteem issues.

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>>13061512
I wish I never found this video. Nuking Japan was the right thing to do.

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>>13066353
People who aren't working are usually not working for a reason as no healthy human beings truly wants to be idle. Even if they fall into ASPD that is still a mental abnormality that is shown to have biological causes and it can't even be treated.

My point is, the amount people pay in taxes for 'autism bux' is a minuscule amount. But as always, the marginalized/minority are used as a scapegoat for all manner of things. For people's frustrations, their own personal failures in life, to make themselves feel better, their own self-esteem issues.

If you felt successful and confident you wouldn't be worried about it.

People who feel unsatisfied with their lives and themselves bitch about the marginalized and get into conspiracy theories.

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>>13066394
>no healthy human beings truly wants to be idle

hahahaha

[Anonymous No.]

>>13066417
I think you're a troll at this point. See, this is what I'm talking about.

Have a nice day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13066426
>Doesn't agree with your opinions
>Is a troll

Apologies for the greentext, but you obviously deserve at least this much.

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>>13066410
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxfh5jOHv8A

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>>13066426
Oh, I'm sorry for laughing at your brilliant and unquestionable thesis, Anon-sama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13066426
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxfh5jOHv8A

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>>13061324

im learning it slowly but surely improving every year, im not in that much of a hurry

[Anonymous No.]

I've started again thanks to this thread. 20 kanji down, only ~2400 left to go! I got to 400 before giving up on the reps last time around, but this time I'm not wasting my time with RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

実は、興味がれば日本語とかはそんなに難しくない物ですよ

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't given up yet, I'm at about 107 kanji as of today!
I will speak neepon!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13066695
まだ初心者ですが
私もそうだと思っています。

[Anonymous No.]

Stopped bothering after の. It's one of, if not the most, frequently used Kanji so I think I'm all set.

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>>13066731
hahaha, nice post friend

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>>13061618
Same here, was 5 years ago, when I was 13. I learned numbers, months colors, a few basic words, stuff like that.

[Anonymous No.]

When I noticed I could just summon the magical words.

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>>13066155
He probably learned all his Japanese from watching anime full of little girls speaking like little girls, so he assumed that their Japanese was the standard.

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>>13066289
Not just that - there are a ton of homophones in Japanese, so without the kanji to tell you the meaning, it would be very easy to be confused or misunderstand.

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>>13066823
I thought this was the main reason as opposed to the spacing thing actually...? I actually thought it was a stupid idea for a writing system as well but I dunno, I think it's kind of fun learning how each symbol represents something abstract and then you combine those abstract symbols to make a specific word...or randomly running into a combination of kanji that you already know and taking a guess at what the word must be/how to read it...even if it is extremely inefficient, it's like you can see the logic of how every word is put together...

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>>13066823
Not like English doesn't have any of that, but true not to the same extent. You also have to rely on context if it's speaking it.

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>>13066823
Someone who has never spoken or listened to Japanese detected. Do you think people carry around whiteboards and flash kanji as they're speaking?

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>>13066843
Of course not but while speaking you can pick up on the seperation of words with intonation, if they wrote everything in hiragana you could genuinely completely misread entire sentences.

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>>13066823
>h-homo

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>>13066843
Obviously not, but in conversation you have aural clues such as intonation as well as body language in addition to context to aid in comprehension.

As for homophones in English, they can be differentiated in text by their spellings, just as homophones in Japanese can be differentiated in text by their kanji.

But this discussion was about the use of kanji (in text) in

[Anonymous No.]

>>13066931
Sent it preemptively by mistake...

But this discussion was about the use of kanji (in text) in the first place, so I'm not sure why we're even discussing spoken Japanese...

[Anonymous No.]

>>13066297
>passively learning
No such thing. Your vocabulary will evaporate faster than you retain anything and you'll perpetually be thrown back to square 1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13067045
>babies carry around flashcards and take notes to learn language

[Anonymous No.]

>>13067045
That's a nice opinion, and it's too bad passive learning doesn't work for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13067159
There are babies posting on here?

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>>13065717
Sorry for the late reply, two hours a day minimum is good, but if you can I would aim for 4 hours minimum. I may make it sound a bit easy because I had just graduated high school, wasn't going to college, only working part time and living with my parents. So I had lots of free time. My study routine was I first did RTK to learn my kanji. Yes you do not learn the readings from this book, but it will make sense later, trust me. You should really buy this book and it will get you very far. During that period I would always listen to japanese radio or podcasts, stuff made for native speakers. Have fun, half of my studying was just watching japanese tv, japanese gaming streams etc...
For reading, I read my favorite blogs of japanese idols and other random easy to read stuff on the internet. Any words I came across I would add into anki. Some good resources are definately RTK(remembering the kanji), a blog called AJATT and then a good online dictionary.

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>>13061324
Today, in fact, after five years and an embarrassing amount of time, money, and energy.

Japanese does nothing except for make me look like an outcast. I do enough of that myself.

I decided to spend the next month on Spanish. And I bet I will know a whole hell of a lot more than something Ending in the endlessly annoying NEYYYY

Yeah, fuck off my former obsession. Enjoy your rad away

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>>13067713
AJATT

Yeah the Kenyan alleged polyglot with an ego problem.

Yeah....follow way....

[Anonymous No.]

>>13067767
Why spend time learning a language mainly spoken by dirty immigrants?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13067713
>AJATT
>Welcome to All Japanese All The Time (AJATT)! The place to be for information on how to learn a language (Japanese or otherwise), on your own, having fun and to fluency…mostly by taking everything that schools do that sucks and…not doing it. And then doing other stuff, that doesn’t suck, instead. It’s pretty freakin’ genius; you should…you should totally get into it :)

This faggot can't even express himself properly in English without making simple mistakes and resorting to emoticons and I'm going to try to have him teach me Japanese from English? ノーサンクユー

[Anonymous No.]

>>13061324
I see no reason to even start. I've already picked up the very basic minimum from watching cartoos and I know some here and there but I am not Japanese and I never will be. The chances of me ever actually living in Japan are very small and unless Japan dominated the world in a decade or two in some bizarre scenario it would be impractical as fuck to learn on top of being extremely difficult.

Reality sucks I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

I quit when I realized my knowledge base is all out of sync.

I know multiple jukugo like "株式会社" but still can't understand stuff like 食べられる or how "気" works.

I found that the simplest of things was the hardest, and that caused too many problems.

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>>13067846
Maybe you should have just learned things in the order of how commonly they're used?

[Anonymous No.]

I am enrolling in a japanese course for my university this year

[Anonymous No.]

>>13061522
中出しされたい
nakadashisaretai

[Anonymous No.]

>>13065804
>82/180
>A,B,A
wut

[Anonymous No.]

>>13066857
>homo-phone

[Anonymous No.]

>>13061324

I haven't given up learning it, I've just given up learning it before I turn into an old grumpy oji-san

[Anonymous No.]

>>13068067
He took the lowest level test

[Anonymous No.]

>>13067774
>>13067790
say what you want, I followed the method(with a little of my own in the mix) and I came out fluent. I don't care if you take the advice or not, I am already fluent lol. I'm just telling that guy I was replying to of various ways one can learn Japanese.

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>>13068344
Don't bother talking about khats on 4chan. You know how they feel about non-whites. I was essentially using the method before I ever heard of him and it worked just fine for me too. Can you really call total immersion a method? The real secret is learning how language itself is learned.

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any good Windows programs to study kanji? What's the best Japanese dictionary program for Windows?

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>>13061324
When I realized I was learning Japanese just for the sake of learning it.

It is one of my life-goals, but every time I pick up Anki or something similar to get my kanji going, I end up giving up one or two months later, dropping a good 400 kanji and about 1000 vocabulary for nothing in return.

I just don't know how to incorporate Japanese in my life; the stuff I'm interested in requires at least a couple of the N levels, and everything else has English versions or translations, or has kind of an inconsequential story/language role.

I want to put Japanese into my life, but it just feels inconvenient to replace my daily English for it. It sucks because I want to have both languages on the back of my hand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13068435
There is one and only one way to learn japanese. Eroge all day every day

[Anonymous No.]

>>13067767
>I decided to spend the next month on Spanish.
Good luck with verbs! We sure love having a brazillion forms for each and every verb.

[Anonymous No.]

Question: is it true it's easier to learn kanji starting by radicals?

Once I learn radicals, it should be much easier to write new kanji, as I already know the parts, correct?

What are your thoughts on this?

I'm just starting. Barely learned Katakana/Hiragana and want to find the best approach to learning kanji.

Some recommend Heisig method, but other's say it sucks.

I'd like some basic plan that I can follow, so I don't have to jump all around.

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>>13069094
I'm still in the early stages (about 300 kanji so far) but to me it seems good to just pick up the radicals that are in each kanji as you go since most of the radicals are themselves characters. Whenever I learn a new kanji, if it has a pattern that I don't really recognize, I'll check to see if it's a radical (and it usually is) and then try to remember the raidcal as well as the kanji. Then, when I learn other kanji with that same radical in it, I can try to remember that kanji as having a certain radical in it. For instance, 冬　is winter. After having learned that, learning 終り became slightly easier because while memorizing I would think 'Oh yea, it's the one with 'winter' on the right half and 'silk' on the left half' etc. etc.

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>>13069112
Ok, learning to recognize Kanji is not the toughest task, but how the hell do you remember both pronunciations??? It's not like you can associate anything with them and they are all so similar.

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>>13069127
Both pronunciations? You mean the onyomi and kunyomi? Basically I just make sure that I have at least one vocab word I'm learning for each reading. So for instance with 場所　(basho, common word for 'place' you may have already picked up just from listening even if you don't know the kanji) I decided to also learn 会場　(kaijou, meeting place, assembly hall, venue, etc.) since it has the じょう　reading of 場 in it, as well as 会 which is a kanji I laready knew. Now I have a word that has the onyomi for 場　as well as the kunyomi for 場 and I don't have to worry about memorizing the sound by itself without having a word attached in my head to that sound. When I see other words with that kanji in it, I can take a guess at which reading to use, and then look it up to see if I got it right. By the way, it seems that the majority will actually have more than two pronunciations, but they'll often be close, or the ones that have lots and lots of different pronunciations will have a few that are preferred the most often.

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>>13069151
My reasoning for doing this by the way is sheer number of kanji that have the exact same readings. 見　can be read as けん　and so can 犬. 会 can be read as かい and so can 回 and 開 and 界 and I'm sure many others. So trying to just memorize every pronunciation without a word to along with it seems really unreasonable. The only way I could figure to get them into my head properly is to actually learn a word for the kanji as well that uses each reading. That way, I've got a way to remember the reading, the kanji itself, and now I know a new word as well.

[Anonymous No.]

Before I started.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13066322
It's not a movie, it's Igarashi Takashi from syrup16g
He always looks depressed and was a hikikkomori who became a rock star

[Anonymous No.]

>>13067767
So you didn't learn just for the sake of learning?

With an added bonus of things you like? You have some issues.

Also, for hindsight, would anyone be interested in telling their story on how they are learning/learned?

Maybe some tips for people as well about things you encountered and how you could've gone around those more well?

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>>13070176
Already made some posts, but
Also just learning for the sake of learning/to be able to read VNs and light novels and actual 'normal' novels. Also want to one day be able to read stuff like Buddhists texts in Japanese (used to be very interested in Ancient Greek Philosophy...then I read some English translations of Gotama and realized that half of the shit Western Philosophy focuses on is useless pedantic bullshit and hated myself for wasting all that time) but I understand that will probably be very difficult since many of the readings/terms will probably be very rare and specific to Buddhism rather than general vocabulary.

Currently using SRS type stuff, mostly Anki and Houhou to learn kanji and vocabulary. Reading through Tae Kim's grammar guide that constantly gets recommended on here it seems and making a notebook of the main points in his guide to study from daily. Also watching subbed Japanese dramas and other television shows and watching to try to catch kanji that I already know/words that I might be able to pick up on by hearing repeatedly (which I then add to my kanji/vocab lists on Anki/Houhou). Attempted to start reading some raw manga and light novel content as well but realized very quickly that it's still far far far too early for that (only got about 300 kanji down).

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>>13070176
Already made some posts, but
Also just learning for the sake of learning/to be able to read VNs and light novels and actual 'normal' novels. Also want to one day be able to read stuff like Buddhists texts in Japanese but I understand that will probably be very difficult since many of the readings/terms will probably be very rare and specific to Buddhism rather than general vocabulary.

Currently using SRS type stuff, mostly Anki and Houhou to learn kanji and vocabulary. Reading through Tae Kim's grammar guide that constantly gets recommended on here it seems and making a notebook of the main points in his guide to study from daily. Also watching subbed Japanese dramas and other television shows and watching to try to catch kanji that I already know/words that I might be able to pick up on by hearing repeatedly (which I then add to my kanji/vocab lists on Anki/Houhou). Attempted to start reading some raw manga and light novel content as well but realized very quickly that it's still far far far too early for that (only got about 300 kanji down).

[Anonymous No.]

>>13066253
>I refuse on principle to learn a language that uses any writing system that isn't literally just writing the sounds
But you already learned such a language. That is English.

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>>13070298
That's the joke of people bitching about kanji. I'm not gonna say it's the same level of difficulty because it isn't, but you definitely have to memorize a shitload of irregular spellings to become a fluent reader of English. Does no one remember having to take spelling tests and spelling bees and crap like that in elementary school?

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>>13070298
Did you even read his post?

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>>13070337
Chaos!
Wait, Khaos?

I swear, even today I mix that one up and a few others.

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>>13070345
http://www.geocities.jp/novospel21/irregularspellingpatterns.html

Like I said, I admit it isn't nearly the same amount of memorization, but saying that the English language is 100% phonetic is bullshit.

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>>13070298
>>13070337
English is my second language, and although I'm completely fluent in reading and writing, I mispronounce words very often. I understand better than anyone else that the pronunciation rules of the English language are bullshit.

But you are both wrong. English is written phonetically. The rules are bullshit, but the way it's written is based on the way it's spoken. You often can't properly derive the pronunciation from the spelling or vice versa, but they're not logographic like kanji where the symbols represent a meaning rather than a sound.

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>>13070504
I never tried to say that you derive meaning from the the way it's spelled though. Just that you can't always derive pronunciation from spelling 100% of the time.

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>>13070512
But you are "writing the sounds", which was the original statement that sparked this discussion. You're writing the sounds, even if in a retarded way.

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>>13067713
We virtually have the same routine except that I read more and don't do rtk but anki and TK.
I study for four hours now but I worked a 50 hour week my first five months and still lifted weights so I could only get 2 hours except now I get a minimum 4.

I'm glad to read your progress m8, its inspirational

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>>13070529
Well, fair enough. But what about something like 'knight' where the only reason the 'k' is still there is because of the original German root of the word (knecht)? There are examples of Latin and Greek roots causing this as well. It's definitely not like the letters themselves represent the meaning but the etymology of the word has influenced the spelling and made it not completely phonetic... but I guess you're right I'm trying a little too hard at this point. Overall, it should be classified as phonetic, shouldn't have gone as far as saying it isn't at all.

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>>13070540
caos nite fell into a casm and lost his yot to a ruff firefiter

[Anonymous No.]

Off-topic here,

Been searching ages for this adult video.
Does anyone know if there are actress names on the dvd cover?

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>>13070554
The sad thing is, in another century or so maybe that's exactly how people will write English thanks to the internet and all of this over-thinking I'm doing will be for nothing.

>>13070561
Try searching for 'CAT-286 JAV'

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>>13070571
Nah, people will write english correctly but just keep mispelling words like chaos, knight and yacht as seen in anons cute post.

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>>13070571
I've got the video, but cannot find the names of the actresses though

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>>13070574
Pronouncing, not mispelling.*

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>>13070575
Yuuki Maeda seems to be one, that's all I've got

>>13070574
If it's correct to think of it as phonetic and we're all agreed that phonetic is best then shouldn't we look forward to spelling it the way anon did in his cute post?

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>>13070073
Oh that's right. Thank you anon.

[ノひしンそれ !1rIMhqf2DE No.]

>>13061324
the same moment that the rest of us did: once we encountered the over 4,000 kanji

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>>13061512
This is disgusting. Even if he is autistic, those clothes, no slippers, good on Japan for ridiculing these people. Might drive out one or two.

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>>13066353
That's the most retarded shit I ever read.

Autists have actually their brain physically fuck up; it has nothing to do with shitty social skills or betaness.

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>>13066478
I started kanji a month ago and learned 600 of them.

You can probably learn 2400 in 6 months if you do it daily.

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>>13071576
You can learn all of them in under two months.

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>>13071576
40 down in total today!

The bad part is I know this is the really easy part. It's when you hit 100 reviews a day that everything goes to shit, I'll probably cut it down to 10 new kanji a day after the first week or two. If I'd just learned 5 new kanji a day last year, I'd be done by now.

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>>13071576
>>13071600
you can "learn" "all the kanji" and not know japanese at all so enjoy wasting your time

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>>13071600
well Im trying too but it get increasingly harder to not mixe them up as the characters look increasingly more complicated + most review apps only have the first 6 grades.

Also it gets boring after some time, so Im probably only gonna do kyoiku for the moment and come back later on to finish it off.

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>>13071622
Combine single kanji with compounds to avoid mixups and double up on vocabulary at the same time. Fix the boredom problem first. Everything you do in English, do in Japanese instead.

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>>13071567
I have been diagnosed with Asperger's myself (by a real psychologist in actual therapy, not some shitty self-diagnosis).

The right question to ask is not 'are these people disadvantaged in society due to their condition?', but rather 'are these people capable of functioning in society despite their condition?'. For most people with Asperger's, the answer to the latter question is YES.

I myself strongly feel that a lot of Asperger's 'treatment' is counterproductive. You tell them they're special and shield them from the environment. But if you do that, they'll never learn to fit in. I didn't get my official diagnosis until I was 18. As a kid, I hopelessly failed to fit in, was heavily bullied, etc. But all that shit I went through taught me how to behave in a manner to not attract that kind of shit, and I grew up to be a mostly functional person. I finished high school with little issue and college with no issues at all.

Then we get into 'real society', where I am clearly disadvantaged compared to 'normal' people. I've been unemployed for 9 months now; applying for jobs is really difficult for me and I've been procrastinating for ages now as I still had plenty of money left. This money is now running out (only ~3 months of money left). Should you be giving me autismbux? Hell no; my declining funds are putting pressure on me to finally get a job, and I know myself well enough to know I'll have a job before my money runs out; I can do this kind of stuff if I absolutely have to. If I were getting autismbux instead, I'd never get a job since my funds wouldn't be running out and I don't bend nearly as easily to social pressure as 'normal' people.

Sidenote: Some people are genuinely incapable of working, and as >>13066410 points out it doesn't really cost much money to sustain these people. I don't know how many people are exploiting the system, but you shouldn't punish an entire group for the crimes of a few exploiters. Some people really need the money.

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>>13071742
This.

I was called autistic when I was a kid, but I grew up in a normal environment (non-SPED) and I learned how to grow up with people surrounding me, thinking I was normal. Then I just turned to one. Same thing happened to my cousin who also has the same disorder (runs in our family lol)

And now that I got checked again by my psychologist, apparently I kind of grew out of it and now is classified as a high-functioning autist. The problems are still there, but are managed a lot better.

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>>13071600
Most people give up because they get burned down and can't stand doing reps anymore. It's better to take years to learn and get somewhere than spending a couple of months doing 300 reps a day and giving up midway through. It's not as if there's a deadline you have to meet, and if you start studying grammar at some point, you can try your hand at reading actual Japanese way before you memorize that many kanji.

Actually, two common misconceptions are that you can't do anything with Japanese before memorizing 2000+ kanji and that once you learn a bunch of kanji everything else is easy. In fact, kanji is probably one of the easiest parts of learning the language. Of course, it takes a lot of time and patience, but it's not really something difficult if you don't try to shove all of them into your head at once. Besides, with basic grammar knowledge and a little practice you can make it through easy stuff with a dictionary and ~500 kanji on your back and it won't be much more difficult than it would have been if you knew 2000 kanji.

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>>13067713
I did the same with your favorite blogs, but I still have trouble understanding some readings of kanji to ever get far. But at least when I talk to my friend about their likes/dislikes I can remember it easily now.

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>>13066818
For all we know he could be gay

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>>13070561
No names.

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>>13071792
With kanji knowledge japanese isn't really harder than any other language (except perhaps the fact that a lot of thing as implicitly mentionned but even that is kinda ok).

It's just that it's a massive pain in the ass to spend a ridiculous amount of hours learning stuff by heart without really speaking or using the language.

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>>13071792
Most people are pathetic and don't use methods that suit them. The rest of your post follows suit.

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>>13066823
Kanji is 80% of the reason Japanese is so full of homophones and near-homophones to begin with.

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>>13066253
wind made my boat wind up upside down
I guess we're still writing the sounds though.

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>>13072082
Please read the thread before commenting. (Like, in general, not just this once. Why waste everyone's time just to save some of your own? How selfish are you?)
>>13070298
>>13070337
>>13070345
>>13070368
>>13070504
>>13070512
>>13070529
>>13070540
>>13070554
>>13070571
>>13070574
>>13070578
>>13070597

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Thinking about giving up. Feel there been no progress in months, wall between N2 level stuff and N1 level stuff is just unbreakable.

And stil I cannot understand how you are supposed to understand spoken Japanese at all. There is perfectly good reason why kanji are being used. Spent six months in Japan and I still cannot understand anything they are talking about because there are no kanji.

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>>13072811
Don't give up dude, if you give up, you waste time for NOTHING!

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>>13072811
See >>13072824
And >>13061948

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>>13072824
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost_fallacy

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>>13072811

You just have to listen to alot of japanese. most of it is the same neologisms and phrases used over and over again. also theres a reason many jap tv shows have subtitles, even japs can't discern words without context.

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OK, /JP/.
Through the magic of flashcards and not having shit to do at my counter at work a lot, I've successfully learned to phonetically read Hiragana and Katakana. What do I do next?
I can read this shit now, I DON'T WANNA LOSE THIS STEAM.

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>>13072954
>/JP/
retard

Anyway, look at the guides in /a/'s DJT

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>>13072954
Start studying kanji, what else? Google 'Core 6K' or if you prefer use the JLPT vocab lists (first option probably better), get some stuff like Anki or similar software to help you study, watch television/animu if you're going to anyway, read stuff, add words you pick up from hearing repeatedly to your lists, etc.

Also, google Tae Kim's grammar guide and read it.

Eventually, at some point start going on Japanese websites and trying to communicate with people in your broken as shit Japanese, make mistakes, learn from them, etc. etc.

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>>13072965
>>/JP/
I was told caps are a good way to get noticed.
>>13072968
Thankyou, I'll get on it right away. I've been playing Super Mario RPG in moon runes so that software my be ideal.

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time investment is just not worth it

the pay off is too low due to the generally low quality of VNs and other material

most of the actually good stuff gets translated anyway, I'm patient enough to wait and don't care enough to go through the time investment to be able to read it sooner

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>>13072954
What the fuck is /JP/?
Also, keep practicing hiragana and katakana until you become sure about your abilities, then move on with kanji, you still have a really long path too go and the only way to achieve your goal is being constant.

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>>13072978
>I was told caps are a good way to get noticed.
An excellent comeback, but unfortunately futile as other indications give you away as complete /jp/ newbie:
- Your lack of understanding on Japanese learning; not just being clueless about your next step, but even moreso treating the ability to read kana as something important. (It's so simple, everyone here can do it. The stuff of nightmares comes after learning the kana.)
- The use of reaction images is uncommon and generally discouraged on /jp/. (There are many situations where they're overlooked, but yours isn't one.)
- Your use of a full screenshot instead of a proper rip or cut indicates that despite your willingness to use reaction images you don't have many. (The very descriptive, properly formatted filename also subtly hints at this.)
- Your overly enthusiastic/'hip' way of talking reeks of /a/, perhaps /vg/.
- You're posting an image from Danganronpa (2), which for some reason (probably it being handheld only or it being too popular) is not popular on /jp/, while being very popular on /a/ and /vg/.

Though it's not as bad as it used to be in the past, please be aware that /jp/ has a somewhat different board culture and tends to be hostile towards newbies. Please do your best to fit in, especially by lurking so you learn how not to stick out like a sore thumb.

As for your question, it's really basic stuff, so mostly just lurk around threads like these and you'll discover enough. Next steps would be 'everything', that is, mainly learning kanji, grammar and vocabulary. Look up the school kanji lists on Wikipedia, and for grammar I give you the words 'Tae Kim'. For the rest, try searching the archive (lurk more if you don't know about it); we've been having threads like these for 7 years now.

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>>13068435
>everything else has English versions or translations
which are all shit, some are just less shit than others and some are more shit

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>>13061324
When I moved to Japan

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When i found out "real" japanese girls quite opposite from ren-ai standards.

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>>13074875
Fuck off with your spam.

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>>13074834
Why would that stop you?

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Never.
There are enough japs around me to keep up the interest.

[Anonymous No.]

You never stop learning. Dattebayo

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>>13076564
Not him, but nobody in Japan wants you to speak their language. They want you to speak English and teach it to them.

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>>13072919
>theres a reason many jap tv shows have subtitles

I heard that was due to everyone living close together so you have to watch the amount of noise you're making. Also because they often have muted TVs in public areas.

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>>13080897
Shh, shh, let him believe what he wants, friend. He isn't just stupid, it's the fault of homophones, shh, shh, shhhhh.

[Anonymous No.]

What books do you recommend to teach oneself Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

I never bothered learning it. That's where English subs saved my "hobby".

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>>13080780
Then you haven't lived in Japan for very long. People are incredibly relieved when they realize that you can speak Japanese because that means they can actually communicate with you.

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>>13080923
I don't know about starting from scratch, but once you get the basics down, I think JLPT prep books along with Japanese media are great tools.

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>>13081104
It depends if they're being forced to interact with you (in which case being fluent is a godsend) or if they're just talking to you because you're a foreigner (in which case they want you to speak English because that's what foreigners do).

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>>13080923
Tae Kim's guide to Japanese grammar.

>>13080780
More like they don't want to speak with gaijins.

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>>13061324
every time I sit down and crack open and beer and attempt to learn anything

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>>13068344

What did you do about learning how to speak?

My reading and listening skills are decent, but I can't speak for the life of me. Mostly because I haven't practiced it at all, but also because I don't know how to practice on my own without developing bad speaking habits.

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>>13084926
Just practice. The sounds can be difficult to form, but it should be obvious how far off you are just from listening to yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

Shortly after I was done with kana. Started grammar, but I'm so dumb I couldn't understand 2nd topic in the guide.

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>>13084926
look up the mimic method