/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

So is it fair to assume that Touhou is old and busted?

KanColle has more circles on the next Comiket and dominates the Google Trends.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12322994

[Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo No.]

concoalei is made of fake moe, shitty grinding and cash grabs.

[Anonymous No.]

I posted it again!

[Anonymous No.]

>>12322994
yes, it's time to move on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12322996
Touhou being that scale for years.

[Anonymous No.]

It's a bubble. The KanColle bubble will burst, Touhou is bluechip.

[Anonymous No.]

Touhou is declining. Can happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12322994
oh look, it's this thread again

[Anonymous No.]

4chan is kill too

[Anonymous No.]

>>12322994

[Anonymous No.]

>>12323329
That's common knewledge that 4chan's popularity is declining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12323352
Moot is reclining

[Anonymous No.]

>>12323329
looks like trying to pander to normalfags didnt work as well as moot hoped

[Anonymous No.]

>>12322994
>Old and busted

[Anonymous No.]

>>12323352
>>12324228
this is a good thing right?

[Anonymous No.]

Touhou has stability. Kancolle Is shooting up and will probably fall relatively quickly. It might be more of a fad. And Touhou has Reitaisai, is there any equivalent for Kancolle?

Is it possible Japan would grow tired of danmaku?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12322994
https://twitter.com/korindo/status/382369309437091842
https://twitter.com/korindo/status/382370568604897281

2hufags getting BTFO

[Anonymous No.]

>>12324712
>Is it possible Japan would grow tired of danmaku?
When you put it like that, the answer is an obvious 'No'.

Touhou may be reclining, but sooner or later it'll pull the lever and return to normal.

[Anonymous No.]

Didn't Comiket have this lottery thing for circles to get in too? Maybe they're just giving priority to KanColle this time due to it's popularity?

Reitaisai this year had some 4000 odd circles participating

[Anonymous No.]

>>12323329
Reddit is already a better version of 4chan for normalfags who think japan is weird.

[Anonymous No.]

All the red bars...

[Anonymous No.]

>>12324264
Do you want to become a completely irrelevant band of reverse-edgies like sa?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12323329
This is the end.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not really informed on KanColle.

Does KanColle have a convention as big as Reitaisai yet? If not I'd still give touhou the lead for now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12323352
For the best i hope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12322994
>>12322996
It's a peak of interest, not lasting.
People heard about it and wanted to know what bullshit it was.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12325785
They had a huge one at japan yesterday.
Kancolle already has events oversea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12325639
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4

[Anonymous No.]

think about it like this.
it's like a pop group or artist that got really big and they were on top and now forgotten

i.e Spice Girls,
 Britney Spears, Hanson
.

no real interest in them anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

Are they going to make Cankolle fangames or is it going to be all touhou fangames and a few other stg again?

[Anonymous No.]

How will ZUN save 2hu now? Bring back PC98?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12325931
OG

[Anonymous No.]

>>12325946
>-`).｡oO(でもマジで艦これと東方の相性は良いと思っているので、積極的に組み合わせて二次創作していこうぜー

>えっ？ 何で東方と艦これが対立している話になっているの？ じゃあ、戦艦のキャラだして勝手にコラボしていこうかなーw

He himself is jumping on the kancolle bandwagon mate. He wants to do a collab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326024
I must say that he is a smart guy
that will get even more attention to touhou

[Anonymous No.]

>>12325622
I want it to go back to being a small circlejerk anime board for people who hate SA.

[Anonymous No.]

the fact is that the one who made this poll is an old anti touhou fag started at least 3 years ago

the true counting is
Touhou：1910＋341 (none passed)＝2251
Kancolle：1498＋392 (none passed)＝1890

this report was from ASCII, and ASCII serves for Kadokawa
from what Kadokawa acts these days
they're trying to eat up the dougin market, and the biggest enemy they have to face is Touhou Project
like they way they used in Oreimo, one of the easiest way to make people fall for kancolle is to make an enemy and let them hate each other by causing issues

so these months, they're sending fake news like this one and internet workers to provoke Touhou, hoping that touhou would fight back

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326260
What poll are you talking about, exactly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12325931
Kancolle smut, Touhou games, music and doujin.

Seriously, most of Kancolle is nothing but porn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12324264
Do you have anywhere else to go? Imageboard culture is dead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326263
not poll, the picture 12322994 posted
didn't know how to say that :P

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326312
This >>12322994?
Show us your fish flaps

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326260
That's pretty fucking funny, all of us were being baited this whole time.

>>12326312
I see. It's only a poll when people are being asked for their opinion; otherwise it's just a chart. I take it your Japanese is better than your English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326260
can some one explain this picture?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326260
If they wanted the doujin market they wouldn't banned the creation of doujin games based on kancolle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326260
Lies and bullshit, you assblasted 2hufags are just in fucking denial. How does it feel to have your stupid little shooter game dethroned by superior boat girls?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326469
Kancolle:
https://webcatalog-free.circle.ms/Circle?genreCode=301&day=1&orderBy=&keyword=
Touhou
https://webcatalog-free.circle.ms/Circle?genreCode=241&day=2&page=1
check the bottom part and see for yourself
You're welcome

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326260

Not only this, but the Touhou vs Kancolle stats shown by >>12322996 are quite distorted too.

If you were to purely base your assumptions on >>12322996's image, Kancolle has been largely beating Touhou by a margin as big as 50-60 points. However, If you were to compare Touhou and Kancolle on Google Trends and specify the time range to cover only the last 12 months (as pictured), you'll see a vasty different picture--Kancolle has only been beating Touhou by a margin of 10-20 points, with it only occassionally going above 30.

It's just that if you don't specify the time range, the charts will only plot the highest scores for each term once a month. This distorts the figures to make Kancolle look like it's been hammering Touhou by a wide margin, when it's actually been beating it only by a relatively small margin. Limiting the time range will make Google Trends plot a score every week instead of every month, thus displaying more specific and accurate results.

When you compare the two terms, go to "Time Ranges" and choose "Last 12 months" under "Add time range". You should see something similar to my image.

[Anonymous No.]

And the kancolle anime hasn't even started yet. The difference will only increase for December.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326387
did they actually do this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326717
Yes.
They specifically banned kancolle spinoff games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326260
Where the fuck are you pulling this from? I see 2hu fags are so desperate they've started blaming commercial companies for the failure of 2hu

Stay classy, 2hu fags

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326710
agree that the number of fans will increase after the anime starts
and would most likely beat touhou at that point

but what happens after the anime ends?
not much would still go even more popular after the anime ends
the only exception these years is lovelive

[Anonymous No.]

shitcolle aka casuals who play japanese mobile games, they wouldn't even be able beat IN on easy modoｗｗ

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326723
please take a look over here >>12326517
read before you post
so that your post wouldn't look stupid :D

and yeah, we blame about the commercial, why? because even when japanese already found that the chart was a lie, the company didn't fix the chart, they didn't even mentioned it wrong and post another commercial about it
so people here doesn't even notice the chart was a fake
if even this is not something wrong to blame for you then fuck
i won't take the bait anymore :P

[Anonymous No.]

>>12324712
unless it moves over to phones, it's possible. japan's already tired of consoles and pcs, it's all about phones now.

unless touhou drops the pc development and moves over to iphones or androids, it'll probably shrivel up and die eventually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326260
So, Kancolle didn't one-up Touhou after all?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326761
not this time
but probably will once the anime is out
and most likely that would be nearly its end, too

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326720
So even they realize how short lived it is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326766
I should've known. It sounded fishy in the first place too, because there were some 4000 circles taking part in Reitaisai this year. The "drop" seemed too jarring

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326260
>this report was from ASCII, and ASCII serves for Kadokawa
>one of the easiest way to make people fall for kancolle is to make an enemy and let them hate each other by causing issues

If this is true, then that is such a sleazy, super dumb thing for them to do

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326024
Can we get a translation? not all of us can read Nipanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326738
They have put a notice in the article acknowledging the numbers are incorrect and have added an explanation to the graph.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326781
I don't think he wants a collaboration, he just wants us to get along

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326781
>Huh, why is there hostility between 2hufags and shipfags? Time to make a shipgirl collab wwwww

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326786
Red still strong...

[Anonymous No.]

>>12325822
Is that all the information you can give us on that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326781
>>12326793
First is pondering about the similarity between Touhou and Kancolle, and maybe they should get together and do a collab.
Second is wondering why there's such antagonism between the fandoms, and a ZUN joke about making a ship girl Touhou for a collab.

[Anonymous No.]

Well, seems like it was sooner than we expected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABZN292gvRo

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326801
That looks terrible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326803
second this

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326786
the topic still hasn't change, it's like putting a fake news on the news paper saying:
Argentina beaten up Germany in football

with a P.S.
the scores aren't exactly correct

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326803
>>12326807
How are the KanColle fans taking this? The CG looks fine to me but I can't speak for the majority of CG hating normalfags

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326786
the topic still hasn't change, it's like putting a fake news on the news paper saying:
Argentina beated up Germany in football

with a P.S.
the scores aren't exactly correct

>>12326801
the popularity of a game or comic normally would last from half a year to a year after the anime is finished
so we probably have to wait for 2 years to find out if kancolle's gonna survive for a long time like touhou, or die out like other animes

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326797
They didn't change the numbers on the graph, you dummy.

>>12326819
Yes, I know. I think the motivation is that the rest of the article is fine and they didn't want to rewrite a significant portion of it? But yeah it's dumb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326819
That's pretty underhanded imo. I wonder what ASCII had in mind when they published this shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>12322994
But that's wrong, that picture was an estimate done before Comiket even revealed the number of their attendants, Touhou has way more circles in reality as usual:
http://www.doujinstyle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=9980
>Touhou: 1910+ (excl. 319 lottery) (C85: 2272)
>KanColle: 1498+ (excl. 346 lottery) (C85: 1136)

[Anonymous No.]

So does that mean that it's "trending" or what, OP?

Whatever, creative effort is not a "zero-sum game."

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326736
but TD is easier than IN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326819
Kancolle needs games. This is something that cannot be avoided. No content, no more stuff for fans to talk about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326827
I think the point of the picture is to show Touhou actually declined
2272->1910 is a drop

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326834
>the point
Except the picture claims Kancolle beat Touhou in circle numbers which is extremely wrong, obviously that was the point of the picture, to create shitstorms. A 200 circle difference is nothing, that shit happens every event, especially since Touhou has other events like Reitaisai and Kouroumu, meaning the actual number of doujin works of touhou produced yearly is much bigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326849
And why exactly would they do that? Was it a blatant attempt to antagonize Touhou fans or what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326857
Correct. Being antagonistic creates attention.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326857
cause creating a big shitstorm could cause people attention
and some fans would start to buy more things to prove their love
AND the japanese found that the author wrote that article is an anti touhou fag from the begining, if you read his past article in 2011 you can see he said about too many touhou circles increased the lottery percentage in comiket
but it seems that he looks happy when kancolle's circle has increased to a great mount

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326766
>but probably will once the anime is out
>and most likely that would be nearly its end, too
That's logical considering how much vaporware was the anime and the vita game.

>>12326810
The people on /a/ and /jp/ were expecting something worse or just plain shit, so that PV is a pleasant news.
Although they still don't expect the anime itself to be as good as the PV.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326793
>>12326800
Glad to see that ZUN still keeps being a voice of drunken reason in all this idiocy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326999
He's really got nothing against KanColle, he just wants everyone to get along

It was just ASCII media trying to stir shit among the two fanbases

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326728
>>12326766
>>12326819
>>12326922

Touhou's savior, reporting in!

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326728
>>12326766
>>12326819
>>12326922

Touhou's savior, reporting in!

Like, I'll check it out, I'll keep watching in the unlikely event it's any good, but as a 2hufag I do hope it ain't good

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326728
>>12326766
>>12326819
>>12326922

Touhou's savior, reporting in!

Like, I'll check it out, I'll keep watching in the unlikely event it's really good, but as a 2hufag I do hope it ain't good

[Anonymous No.]

>>12327112
Me too, I hope they bomb it hard with the CG

[Anonymous No.]

>>12327113
>Me too, I hope they bomb it hard with the CG
GuP, Sidonia and Arpeggio say hi
Although I am not too fond of CG myself I think it is time to embrace the future. Who knows CG might rival hand drawn with better technique down the line.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12327112
Where's that girl with bunny ears and striped stockings? Isn't she the most iconic shipgirl!?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12327112
why does everyone have either black or brown hair other than that one blonde in the lower right corner?

that's so boring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326260
sounds insidious

[Anonymous No.]

>>12327140
Because they're not try-hards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326766
I feel like the popularity will drop after the anime, which probably won't be that good. Just like SnK, SAO, and all that other shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12327171
SnK's popularity dropped?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12327176
Kind of. The hyped died down considerably compared to the time when it first aired

[Anonymous No.]

>>12327193
So it went back to normal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12327176
Well my point was, once something gets an anime, everyone is all hype for it. When the anime is over, people have no content to work with and tend to lose interest.

>>12327196
Yeah kinda

[Anonymous No.]

>>12327197
Sorry, here's a better crop

[Anonymous No.]

>>12327197
Yeah, but SnK wasn't as popular as Kancolle is now before it's adaptation. What we're seeing now is normal Kancolle popularity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12327197
Actually something similar happened with Madoka right? The peak of it's popularity was similar to Kancolle now right?

[Anonymous No.]

It's kind of sad to see my favorite artists move from touhou to kancolle but it's not like I can tell them they aren't allowed to get bored of things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12327213
Jeez

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326758

What are you on dude ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326786
Machine Translation of the note:

http://i.imgur.com/YJjFeua.png
http://i.imgur.com/pVnlbAx.png

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326260
TOUHOU V KANCOLLE

[Anonymous No.]

KanColle is an artificially induced interest, using the "Touhou logic" mixed with applied marketing.
It's efficient for peaks, but not for loyalty.

Besides, KanColle has only one remarkable character (Shimakaze, which is lewd) and one remarkable music ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWqNhllbPs0 ), if they don't get to ZUN's level of creative character printing and catchy melodies, this will drop really quick.

And I do hope it fades, cause the games are shit, the girls are lewd, the distribution is not independent and the Strike Witches effect really bothers me, I'd like something with a more Girls und Panzer to arise. Slowly, not shoved down our throat. They also will always be worried about numbers and the "image of the franchise", while ZUN will keep doing his stuff even if no one plays it, which brings a totally different approach to it.

KanColle is a product with a fanbase, Touhou is a fanbase with a product.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12327937
This. KanColle strikes me as some shallow fad without a solid foundation. From the start they've been shoving this unimaginative shit down our throats. Fans can only rehash and remix the soundtrack so many times before they run out

It's bound to fall hard on it's ass once the hype dies down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12329984
Pan pa ka pan

[Anonymous No.]

>>12329984
>Fans can only rehash and remix the soundtrack so many times before they run out
If only.

[Anonymous No.]

The only good colle is a deadcolle

[Anonymous No.]

ITT: 2hu secondaries in denial.

Very cute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12327937
Good post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12327937
Yes, and?
That doesn't make Touhou any better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326857

>>12326260

[Anonymous No.]

>>12330495
Any better in what? It's miles better than Kancolle and rightfully so it has many more circle attendants this comiket as well like usual, unlike what that picture claims.

[Anonymous No.]

I miss the old /jp/. Hi guys, back again after a year

[Anonymous No.]

>>12330476
How is it denial to state facts backed up by evidence?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12330529
Better get on the newest fad if you dont want to get left behind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12327937
I miss 2hu fans like you. Most I knew jumped ship

[Anonymous No.]

>>12330476
ITT: kancolle tryhards in full damage control mode.

Very cute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12330532
he meant himself and people like himself, whose posts sound like "no, 2hu isn't dying! lalala i can't hear you! fuck your evidence! you secondaries in denial! death to infidels! kanako ackbar!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>12330476
how do you know we're secondaries?

[Anonymous No.]

Both Touhou and Kancolle are entry level turbo casual shit so of course they are popular.

Still I wonder everyday why are they allowed on /jp/.

[Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo No.]

>>12330619
/jp/ was in part created to get Touhou off of /a/. It's a founding reason for /jp/, so of course it belongs here. If you didn't know that, then I feel sorry for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12330619
both are still japanese "creepy otaku virgin" type stuff, so obviously they qualify here and only here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12330619
2hu is the backbone of /jp/, how new are you?

[Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo No.]

>>12330672
Summer is infinite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12330623
/jp/ was created for visual novels and light novels, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12330528
What's so great about Touhou. It's only good thing is it's music.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12330732
when was the last time a light novel was discussed on here besides that one thread yesterday asking what it was

[Anonymous No.]

>>12330732
You're right, but that tripfag is right to some degree as well. See archived /a/ thread on the pic related for details.

[Anonymous No.]

I feel really sad after Kancolle came. /jp/ was never the same again. Ahh, archives and memories

[Anonymous No.]

>>12330886
>don't allow any one thing to dominate the board

[Anonymous No.]

>>12330908
It's got nothing to do with kancolle. Kancolle is irrelevant in /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>12330910
kantai collection is an animu otaku thing.

it's right at home here, on the animu otaku board, just like 2hu.

both are technically video games, but in both cases the games are secondary to the lore and hundreds of characters created specifically to cater to otakus of one kind or another.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12330967
I meant irrelevant as in not important. It just keeps to its general so no real impact on /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12330967
I'd say KanColle is either games or porn, I just don't see much outside of it receiving much attention.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12330781
What's so great about Kancolle. It's only good thing is it's lewd otaku pandering shipsluts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331024
It's not great. But it's good for the reasons you listed.

[Anonymous No.]

I can't believe how many people needed to wait for KanColle to have more doujins to realize Touhou was dead, when it's been dead since fucking UFO.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331024
that's practically all it's there for.

there's some game, but nobody cares for it except autistic manchildren because it's a crappy browser game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331180
Stop spreading false information please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12330495
Quality is not brought up in my post, Mr. Shitposter, I just overviewed how popularity in both franchises work. Which is the actual topic of this thread.

>>12330544
Really a shame. I can understand why, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331340
>Quality is not brought up in my post
But heavily implied.
>And I do hope it fades, cause the games are shit

[Anonymous No.]

Let us go to the golden rule of gaming: Is the game fun, and requires some level of skill and learning?

Or is it pointless grind, based on luck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331469
This section is just an unrelated opinion, though.

[ヘンリエッタ !b.iTP1Qti. No.]

After the movie LoveLive! will overtake touhou as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12330967
>Kancolle
>lore
Yeah, no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331620
>lore
It's all fancanon at this point. And maybe give the girls some characteristics given their ordinance and ship type, but that's terribly vacuous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331620
Kancolle lore is military history.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331704
The actual history practically has decorative status. The most that ever gets practically applied, aside from individual works that go out of their way to explore it, is "these ships are sisters, those ships are friends, and those ships there got their asses kicked at Midway/Marianas/Guadacanal/Solomons/Leyte/Truk/Ten-Go/etc once upon a time isn't that terrible."

[Anonymous No.]

Google trends isn't really a good way to prove the popularity of something.
It's more interesting for events in a short time.

Twitter trends is a more accurate way to measure the popularty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331751
The actual folklore practically has decorative status. The most that ever gets practically applied, aside from individual works that go out of their way to explore it, is "these youkai are sisters, those youkai are friends, and those youkai there got their asses kicked at Hakurei shrine/SDM/Human village/etc once upon a time isn't that terrible."

[Anonymous No.]

I'm pretty impressed how people are overselling the Touhou background and character works.

KanColle and Touhou are both pretty stupid things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331782
This.
They're both bad but we like it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331782
Touhou Project characters are defined by their conversations, backstories, themes, and spell cards. Kantai Collection characters are defined by their status lines.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331763
And using "東方" isn't really a good idea, because 東方 is a generic word and family name.

One of the news headlines if you check 東方 is about an airport in China.

>中国東方航空／岡山―北京・大連線、運休

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331782
You can't deny Touhou has a very diverse cast compared to most franchises. Not speaking of quality here, but they surely stand out and have an unique flavor.

ZUN can't draw for shit, but he has the character designer mindset of going for good general, easily identifiable assets. That is also the reason Shimakaze is the top KanColle girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331797
>defined by their conversations, backstories, themes, and spell cards
Really looks like they're sucking anything they can out of the games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331836
That's true, but if you extract everything Kancolle has to offer from the games, you still don't have shit.

[Anonymous No.]

For a "dwindling" franchise, Touhou is still getting a ton of art and videos on pixiv and nicovideo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331824
Confirmed for next event: ZUN will draw Enterprise

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331849
We already have one ZUNship, no need for more.
And Entreprise is already in the game

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331848
In case you didn't know, when people say it's dying it means it still has 10 years to go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331883
Yeah, the same thing was said about Jesus and his cult 2000 years ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331809

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331845
I'm sure the anime and inevitable manga/light novels will take care of that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331923
Anime yes.
Manga/LN no. Too different from each other.
The series just needs a proper setting, hopefully the anime will deliver.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331910
This is just plain retard, since people will use "Touhou" to refer to the game, without a "Project" attached to it. The thing is you can't filter the homonyms out and you can't use a more specific keyword because people don't use this complete name.

The only way to filter things would to check overtime interest in specific communities like art communities, gaming, doujin and stuff, because then Chinese airports wouldn't be mixed inbetween. Good luck with that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331923
They already have manga and LNs. They have like five manga and three LN series. However, they're either all non-canon or all canon, and there's nothing to work with there.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm no big fan of Touhou but Touhou popularity is completely community based, while KanColle and Love Live popularity is mostly company marketing based. For me their overtaking of Touhou would mean the victory of corporations, and would finally confirm that Akihabara is now a mindless mass of moe merch buying robots with no individual opinions. It sucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331992
Umineko/Higurashi are other examples of community born popularity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331992
That doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331992
Both franchises are creators based.

There is also a reason why basically every Touhou character has a fancanon character which is often pretty off compared to the game ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332014
>Both franchises are creators based.
Who are paid by a company, which in turn markets the product, often aggressively.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332060
What about it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331992
I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.]

Wait. So the chart is a lie and Touhou is still #1?

Why is this even being discussed anymore?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332081
He's arguing that you should care who creates your content and that it's better for it be from some dude who isn't motivated by money than from a big corporation that is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332084
Because apparently liking kancolle is bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332096
He should care more about the content itself

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332106
I agree. I think the only real concern anyone should have is not where their content comes from, but the quality and availability of it.

If a market has players that push out smaller content providers, that's something to be concerned about. It limits the availability of creative material and potentially bars great stuff from ever reaching an audience.

But that's not the same as disliking something simply because a giant, soulless corporation owns the rights to it. That content is still created by artists, though their motivation may primarily be something other than simply a love for their work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332096
This is like some /g/-tier shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332084
Nope the statement is wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't see it lasting longterm

there's not enough variety is there? People will get tired of ship girls eventually

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332096
>>12332142
More about "where" the content "came from", it's about "how" that content got popular. The fact that Touhou didn't need marketing means that the community decided completely by itself that they liked and wanted to support the work.

I don't see it as a deciding factor, it's just a plus that gives me a caring feeling for that kind of works.

Besides, Kancolle sounds like military glorification, just in time for Japan's current government re-militarization reforms. Nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332175
What statement?
I thought japs proved the chart was a bunch of lies?

[Anonymous No.]

towhow is recline

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332191

Maybe you should read the article of the chart.

Link is in this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332188
Why do you think kancolle got more popular than any other shitty browser game?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332196
Fuck. There's nothing that angers me more than this reclining meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332209
Because Kadokawa is good at advertising and marketing decisions (the use of popular VAs as to attract seiyuu otaku, popular artists, an anime adaptation, do it in time with the reactionary state of current otaku, etc.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332225
You should take a seat in a recliner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332231
I think that's true after the initial surge, but from what I understand, Kadokawa never intended for Kancolle to get that big in the first place.

Once people started pouring in, that's when they started pouring the marketing money into it, licensing all kinds of merchandise, and other shit.

[Anonymous No.]

Sure, Taihoufags are special.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332231
They were so expecting this that their servers were ready and lottery doesn't exist right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332238
No! I don't even know what it is and I don't want to know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332014
What the fuck does "creator-based" mean?

>>12332106
The content is shit, dude. It's flat and exists solely to pander. The entirety of most Kancolle characters' characterization is seiyuu + archetype.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332201
https://webcatalog-free.circle.ms/Circle?genreCode=301&day=1&orderBy=&keyword=
https://webcatalog-free.circle.ms/Circle?genreCode=241&day=2&page=1

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332299
What's wrong with pandering.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332308
You get characters which are basically just a pile of moe traits stapled together with no real characterization.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332300
Read the fucking article. It's written by professionals.
http://ascii.jp/elem/000/000/917/917699/

[Anonymous No.]

Taihou, not pandering.

Some people are really retards here. What a desperate attempt to protect the own little special snowflake,

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332312
>real characterization
What does this even mean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332336
The lack of silly hats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332336
The character shouldn't be a one-dimensional shell. You should reasonably be able to think of them as being fleshed-out characters with histories and desires.

You could easily write a few paragraphs about Sanae without heading too deep into "I'm just making shit up" territory. With Kumano you basically have that she's an ojou from Kure and... that's about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332324
Nigga, that's the exact same chart, not the actual number.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332259
Yeah, of course people had to like it themselves. If something is shit, no matter how much you market it, people won't like it (for example a recent eroge Haruka Kanata was very aggressively marketed for the whole year and it turned out to be a huge buggy piece of shit that would crash literally every hour).

But the fact that Touhou and other similar works really deserve bonus point for achieving that completely outside of the formal industry just showed how powerful the otaku community was if they wanted to be. Not to mention how friendly they are with the community and lenient with derivative works. It makes me feel a kind of affection that I just don't feel with other formal works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332352
Are you a retard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332351

He believes that.

Touhoufags being delusional.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332362
Well I can't exactly read it and you haven't given much explanation other than "it was written by professionals".

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332308
That you're being laughed at by lazy creators and investors, because they know you'll eat anything they shit out. You're willingly being a tool. That, and it's also harmful in the long run for everyone because they stop trying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332336
He's using that term to imply there's some sort of clear delineation between characters with depth and those without.

The reality is that the quality of characterization is always decided subjectively. Some authors clearly put in more effort into defining and fleshing out the personality and characteristics of a character, but how well an audience responds to them ultimately decides how well they're received and cared about, and subsequently the audience's view on how much depth the character has.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332225

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332369
The burden of proof is in your hands.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332368
It's literally true. Just in terms of raw material Sanae has a dozen times more dialogue than Kumano, and some of that actually involves character interaction instead of just whining about how she got damaged in battle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332378
What is it that needs to be proved?
Not that anon, but I just want to know if the chart is a lie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332372
You seem to forget that fun things are fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332225

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332377
That's not even a recliner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332433
I guess there's no problem as long as that word isn't used.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332378
But I gave you a link with the actual number of circles attending, not just lottery...

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332455
Spoonfeed us.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332482
This exchange has gone on too many tangents.

Again, I just want to know if Touhou is #1? Do I need to sell all my merch and join the KanColle bandwagon if I want to be cool now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332515
2hu is #1

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332482
Touhou: 1910+ (excl. 319 lottery) (C85: 2272)
KanColle: 1498+ (excl. 346 lottery) (C85: 1136)

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332324
pic related, the only type of professional who wrote that

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332515
Things do not need to be "#1", so long as they stay. Touhou has maintained itself for the longest time, which is impressive for something a drunk made in his free time.

Will other franchises do the same? I wonder.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332515
>Do I need to sell all my merch and join the KanColle bandwagon if I want to be cool now?

I have some bad news about your prospects of being ‘‘cool’’.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332559
fleet fanboys seem to show otherwise

worse than even consoles, it's like they think people can only enjoy one thing and that their favorite thing is the only thing that is right to enjoy, god forbid anyone likes anything else it must be shitposted on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332524
Yay! You're not lying to me are you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332571
Do Kancole fanboys really shitpost that much?

I don't really follow that shit, but I don't really see them get out of their thread that often.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332525
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332586
Well, there's at least 3 "Touhou is dead!" threads everyday now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332586
He probably means 2ch wotas and the sort.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332586
No they don't.
>>12332597
Touhou fans have been trolling themselves since forever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332586
not so much on /jp/ but on other boards and sites it isn't quite the same story

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332621
>on other boards
Where?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332621
Yeah, that's true. But I think those sorts are the fuckers who just jump onto whatever's popular at the moment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332597
KanColle hater and Touhoufag here.

You shouldn't assume "Touhou is dead" thread are created by KanCollefags so promptly, people hate 2hu since long and they can use the popularity of another franchise to pick on us.

Which will backfire, because there will be two franchises for people to hate clashing each other. Just like ZUN said, there's no need for all this bashing. Time will tell who's better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332640
>hate
It's tough love.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332597
Because /jp/ certainly isn't known for its shitposting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332586
most of it is probably warosu retards

[Anonymous No.]

>>12324232
I got that reference

I'm going to be "that guy" but to me it seems more like

ZUN: oh shit my meal ticket is taking a hit better fucking join em since I can't beat them, h-hey Kancolle-san c-can I collab with you?


All ZUN needs to do is pull a George Lucas, sell Tohou out to who ever and take royalties % that way Doujin circles can still exist AND offical studios can get in on it too like Gainax if they wanted and none of it would infringe on the others ( like how there's the ex universe Star Wars books the clone wars series etc. but all the rights are STILL lucas )

sell Touhou ZUN retired like a king be the wealthiest man in Japan

[Anonymous No.]

Touhou is alive and well in my heart.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't even see how KanColle will sustain. An anime will just create an interest spike during the broadcasting season and then... that's it.

No Fanmade game, more entry barrier: P2W browser game with shit tons of grind / harder to appeal to female (they are 60% of the Comiket audience). Most of the KanColle fan work are 18+ doujins. Female into KanColle cosplay are just sluts. Not that much music/remixes.

Meanwhile Touhou: Crapload of music, appealing to everyone. Lot of fanmade games, for casual and hardcore players alike. Lot of 18+ doujins but still a LOT of just sfw fanwork. Still have a cute aspect and not only lewd. More iconic characters.

Not saying that Touhou will "beat" KanColle, just that KanColle won't sustain long. The next fad will replace it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332586
Kancolle fags don't give a shit about Touhou one way or another. The "2hu is dead" threads are all made by people who just think stirring up shit is hilarious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332690
Anime expectations would be too high. Then when canon conflicts with fanon crap, people will get butthurt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332699
>P2W browser game

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332724
script2win browser game

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332729
Enjoy your ban.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332699
>An anime will just create an interest spike during the broadcasting season and then... that's it.
That's what they want. It's a product. A company makes a product and tries to milk all the money out of it as soon as possible and then throw it away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332737
it's been a whole year

you think they'd hurry about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332757
Actually no, midway is in October after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332699
>I don't even see how KanColle will sustain. An anime will just create an interest spike during the broadcasting season and then... that's it.
Second season never?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332711
In a way, Kancolle getting an anime early in its popularity spike is probably the only way it'll happen.

If you wait too long like with Touhou, there's just no hope of making something that isn't bound to piss off a bunch of fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332842
Actually I think anything made by ZUN would be accepted without much strife, so if he were to sign an anime's story, people could be a bit disappointed, but not enraged for canon taking place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332882
Touhou anime by ZUN would suck because nothing ever happens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332891
Silent Sinner in Blue animated in 24 episodes

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332906
Proving his point?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332891
Being good is not the point of this supposition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332942
No, at least that one was pretty good + there were battles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331824
>diverse cast
And yet people still cling on to EOSD and look yet another album with UN Owen or septette princess.

If you dont think Touhou has declined since their IN heyday you are deluded. The games after TD has been flop after flop. This can be seen in the secondary market as well as people still prefer to do stuff for the EOSD cast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12333015
Kagerou was the last good touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12333015
People still love Star Wars IV, V and VI, and it's the most referenced/parodied section of the franchise.

[Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo No.]

>>12333032
Those are also the only movies ever made in their franchise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332955
>at least that one was pretty good
Congratulations, you're the third person in /jp/ who liked SSiB.

[Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo No.]

>>12333274
It's a very exclusive club.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12333015
>since their IN heyday
All the touhou trend charts in this thread prove you wrong.
>The games after TD has been flop after flop
There was only 1 major game after TD. And it received higher score than TD in the latest thwiki popularity poll.
>This can be seen in the secondary market
Nowadays SA's cast is more popular than IN's and PCB's.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12333274
Make it four. Four people who gets the whole point of SSiB.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm the first. Get out of here posers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12334229
He tells the truth. But he's also dying after his glorious peak.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332574
Yes but not for long. When the anime comes out it'll definitely become the new topdog, mark my words

[Anonymous No.]

It's pretty funny how hard Kadokawa is trying to sell Kancolle.

They are only going to burn out the franchise if this shit goes on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12335109
Shut your whore mouth. You 2hufags better eat your words when KanColle takes over the next comiket

[Anonymous No.]

>>12335162
Typical Kancolle fan

[Anonymous No.]

>>12335109
>>12335162
Typical shitposters.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>12335600
Disgusting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12322994
wqRYURYTEEWAERSTEWQERTGFEDAdghj,jhgrffdgfhchtrweafd

[Anonymous No.]

>>12335600
>design became cluttered and gimmicky

Seems about right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332376
>The reality is that the quality of characterization is always decided subjectively
Yeah right because your generic moeblob who does nothing but lust for the MC's dick obviously has more depth to her than Ikari Shinji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12323329
Good, it'll be nice when there are a lot less people on here.

[Anonymous No.]

why are dojin artists making art of these shitty stuff?? Where's my Nisemidi K-On doujin??

[Anonymous No.]

>>12322994
There will always be more actual Touhou content than Kankolle, even if Kankolle has more circles. Therefore, this picture is misleading. Kankolle circles don't produce as much content as a whole, as Touhou circles.

Touhou still has a fuckload of doujins, CDs, games and dakimakura coming out.

Kankolle is doujins and misc stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12336225
One could say there's less Touhou circles because there's more pressure to create more content, while KanColle doesn't have as much expectation

[Anonymous No.]

I don't dislike KanColle, but the way the whole franchise seems to have been designed by focus-grouped committees kind of rubs me the wrong way.

Like with Shimakaze, it's like she was created to appeal to as many fans as possible. She's a loli, she has a delicious flat chest, she has a sexy outfit (sailor outfit, long striped stockings, long white gloves, bunny ears), and has a cute attitude. And it works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12336305
Are you new to otaku culture?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331704
Then this upcoming anime should have been about all those Shiplasses getting killed one by one and the only ship survived till the end is Yukikaze and Hibiki.

But then, Moefags aren't keen to the idea of grimdark.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12336627
They love madoka though
I dont see the problem

[Anonymous No.]

I hope Touhou dies. I know a misandric tranny who believes is Gensokyo a paradise with no men and who goes on and on about how much he loves it.

I want Touhou to die because I hate him so much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12336369
This. 99% of moe icons were designed by committee. Touhou is an exception, not a rule.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12337040
>being so beta

[Anonymous No.]

>>12337247
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12337256
The guy who is beta

[Anonymous No.]

>>12337458
Why do you think he is beta?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12331774
Gensokyo contains Touhou Project-original lore, and a lot of it. It's like a remix of mythology. Kantai Collection, on the other hand, runs as thin on the history as Touhou Project does (or even thinner) but without actually adding anything to fill in the gap.

Hell, we still don't know jack shit about the Abyss, other than that they're wraiths which might want to kill all people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12337468
>we
Don't lump the rest of us with you.

[Anonymous No.]

I think Kancolle is a fad and doesn't have much, if any staying power. But I think it has dealt a lethal blow to Touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12337040
How the hell is Touhou responsible for his behavior?
Reactionary logic I fucking swear.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12336369
>>12337069
Not him but that's exactly why it's boring.

[Anonymous No.]

are there any kantai memes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12337482
I don't know, is IOSYS already fiddling with KanColle arranges?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12337480
You're just being contrarian

[Anonymous No.]

>>12337507
Anyone who spends enough time with otaku culture as its main hobby would become "contrarian" after getting fed the same stuff with the same predictable creative (pandering) methods over and over.

Now I really sounded extremist there; I actually love moege for example but it's very understandable and true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12337503
Memes were already well off the ground before IOSYS got its grubby mitts on it. They only did one or two albums before returning to the Touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12337503
They released one Kancolle album actually. It sucked and sold like shit it seems.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12337503
No smash hit like Marisa stole the precious thing or Overdrive yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12337517
>>12337529
>>12337530
Did they make music or mememusic for KanColle?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12337503
is it even possible to create music arranges for a browser game?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12337631
Look it up.

I didn't think it possible but yeah there's a surprising amount of arranges for Kancolle. The game does have some music.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12337631
You can create music arranges for anything with music

[Anonymous No.]

>>12337564
Mememusic
The flash I saw was them in the classroom with
meme lyric like akagi eat a lot, shimakaze fast, yukikaze lucky etcetc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12322994
>I'm not going to like something now because other people don't like it!

How autistic can people get?

[Anonymous No.]

Touhou is old and busted. Seihou is the new hotness. A new game is right around the corner, so get ready for some hot VIVIT doujinshi!

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326770
Nah, it's so they won't draw attention away from the Vita game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12332231
>marketing
Hell no, the game was totally obscure when it first came out. There was little to no marketing on Kadokawa's or DMM's part whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12339225
This.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12336627
More than just two IJN ships survived the war, you know. Ushio was built before both Yukikaze and Hibiki but survived too.

Full list:
http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/Category:World_War_II_Survivors

>Moefags aren't keen to the idea of grimdark.
I beg to differ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12326024
>>12326800
World 6 collab confirmed. This will be right after Kadokawa lifts the ban on fangames.

Pic remotely related.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12337641
>>12337631
The game has pretty good music actually. The gameplay just sucks (it's a random number generator).

[Anonymous No.]

>>12342173
Ironbottom Sound's music was the best of the lot.