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Anonymous Tue Jul 29 22:20:10 2014 No.12308703 [Reply] [Original]

Elona+ General

Download: http://wikiwiki.jp/elonaplus/
Elona pasta: http://pastebin.com/bdHxMfJ7
Elona Wiki: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Elona_Wiki
Elona Story (spoilers): http://elona.squares.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5025

Does anyone know how to start the artifact fusion quest? I'm talking to the star chick but there's no way to increase her affection. Also how do you get gain attribute scrolls? I've never seen one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 29 22:22:07 2014 No.12308706 File: 403 KB, 1000x707, babibobo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12308703 Dem tits though mang

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 29 22:46:27 2014 No.12308757 >>12308703 good lord, you grabbed a pastebin even older than the one in the last thread. I've almost finished writing up a new, up to date, and organized one. I'll post it soonish.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 29 22:47:50 2014 No.12308761 >>12308706 What is that gun Homura is carrying? Looks familiar.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 29 22:52:21 2014 No.12308775 >>12308761 I don't know the exact name, but you can probably find it in some sci-fi movies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 29 22:53:59 2014 No.12308783 >>12308761 Looks like a FAMAS

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 29 23:16:00 2014 No.12308838 >>12308783 EPIC meme /k/omrade XDDD

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 29 23:17:36 2014 No.12308846 >>12308838 Thanks, I made it myself

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 29 23:46:45 2014 No.12308985 File: 1.27 MB, 1280x768, elona.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12308703 So does anyone know how to start the fusion quest? This is what it says when i try to start it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 29 23:49:20 2014 No.12309002 File: 177 KB, 1024x778, 3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12308761 Kamen Rider Faiz' Blaster gun thing I think that's supposed to be

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 29 23:50:23 2014 No.12309010 >>12308985 http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Irma_the_indomitable_smith#Irma.27s_quest

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 00:05:38 2014 No.12309056 >>12309010 It doesn't work. There's some other requirement to get the quest working.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 00:16:54 2014 No.12309101 Soo how exactly do wizard pets learn spells? Do I need to dump spellbooks and rods on them? Or do they learn spells randomly as they level up?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 00:23:30 2014 No.12309132 >>12309101 They have an unlimited amount of certain spells.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 00:33:03 2014 No.12309169 >>12309132 So, lets have the Wizard of Elea; they only know 3 spells at start. Is that it though? Will they never learn anymore spells after leveling up ?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 00:40:49 2014 No.12309200 >>12309169 That's right

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 01:01:38 2014 No.12309248 >>12309200 That's a bit disappointing. Is there a wizard npc or monster out there that people would normally try to recruit for its usefulness? I'd like to have a wizard pet if possible.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 01:11:15 2014 No.12309264 >>12309248 You should check out the wiki, really. There's a countless number of reason-monster combinations out there. To boot, you can spend AP to teach magic to pets (very) later on.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 01:29:14 2014 No.12309297 >>12309248 Exile Xeren electric tank Abyss Princess High-magician Ouroboros Black angel hair Chaos Shaman Mucencab Nyarlathotep Cthugha any of these are good

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 04:14:47 2014 No.12309539 How many hours have you guys clocked in your character? 200+ hours doesn't seem a lot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 04:23:53 2014 No.12309549 >>12309539 II've already reached 100 hours, but I sometimes forget that I've left Elona on while watching anime/playing other games, so i don't think that counts.

Anonymous Wed Jul 30 04:45:10 2014 No.12309576

So tell me, for people using pets, how many/who do you have active right now? For example, I currently have:

>Exile
God Pet that's been with me the longest, and so has enough AP to keep up with later allies. Also has crystal spear, and I'm looking for a god heart for her. Carries pretty much all of the static artifacts that boost magic (staff of insanity, Mag-Abyss, etc)
>Defender
A tank, although how much she tanks isn't probably much. At the very least, she can revive people via lay on hands, and using the Holy Lance procs a few healing rains here and there
>Kali
Just plain wrecks anything melee. Don't have a high gene engineer for adding slots, but I'm aiming for it.
>Seraph
Wanted to use a Black Angel to wield the Wind Bow, but upgrading is just too good.
>Bells
Have a Xeren Unit (gunner) and a Bell of Termination (melee) for tough enemies. Don't use the latter much, and the former always seems to get creamed in high-leveled dungeons.

I wanted to use my Black Cat for tonfa usage, but she just seems really squishy compared to the other two god pets, no matter what I try to help her.

Anonymous Wed Jul 30 06:35:17 2014 No.12309720

>>12309576
On my loli thief, I only have a valkyrie and my cute fairy.

My valkyrie is my general tank/killer/she could probably do well even without me. She has the charm and barrier traits. Also, she's now the fastest in my team, so she can tank very well. She also knows provoke (map). She has about 500-600 PV and I stock defender potions for her. She has very good resistances to all elements. As such, she never dies.

As a general hanger-on, there's me, and more importantly, my cute fairy. Spellcaster and ranged nuke. Literally, because she's armed with the Rail Gun. I can't let her be faster than my valkyrie or she'll drag aggro towards her. I couldn't get her DV very high so she normally dies quick. She can usually tank 1 heavy hit, which is my cue to whisk her off the battlefield until I can take care of what's killing her (usual suspects are dark koalas and lower-god monsters). She also knows the healing set, which is alright.

On my new loli gunner (sniper), I have a whopping 4 companions.

2 tanks: a valkyrie and an android (which also doubles as a gunner). Still low level so nothing impressive to behold.

2 gunners: a young lady vampire (greater potion throw for very effective debuff), and an older sister (nothing special, but she's cute and has a long-range AI. That's why.)

Anonymous Wed Jul 30 07:15:31 2014 No.12309771

>>12309576
>Carries pretty much all of the static artifacts that boost magic (staff of insanity, Mag-Abyss, etc)

These items don't stack. Only the highest multiplier is used.

Personally, I only use my lvl 324 nether dragon as my mount. Sage of elea or whatever was pretty good since she has a very powerful self heal, can throw potions i think and decent spells.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 07:31:00 2014 No.12309781 File: 597 KB, 858x658, magic.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12309771 >These items don't stack. Only the highest multiplier is used. Not anymore

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 07:41:33 2014 No.12309797 >>12309781 Nice cheating. What did you use? EloSnack?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 07:42:24 2014 No.12309799 >>12309797 He was probably just testing things

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 10:00:15 2014 No.12309925 >>12308757 You are the hero elona needs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 10:00:57 2014 No.12309926 >>12309925 Elona is dead Jimmy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 10:05:57 2014 No.12309931 >>12309926 It lives in my heart.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 10:57:04 2014 No.12310006 >>12309056 you may also need to talk to Thalia and Dain.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 11:10:14 2014 No.12310022 >>12309926 Hopefully a better guide that's more beginner friendly will convince more people to start playing again.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 12:40:27 2014 No.12310224 Does cooking corpses make their bonus better? I got the fire dragon's one fot example. Also what are good spells? My lv59 magic dart is starting to be meh

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 13:26:52 2014 No.12310341 >>12310224 Cooking does make food better. Keep using magic dart, but get Crystal spear and start training it since the damage scales better plus it's a line spell.

Anonymous Wed Jul 30 13:31:06 2014 No.12310350

>>12310224
I think better cooking increases stat/attribute bonuses for food that is fixed to always give you something, like troll meat developing your healing. But for resistances it merely increases the chance that you will get a resistance, as you don't always get one every time you eat a corpse that gives them. And if you do get a resistance bonus, I think the bonus is fixed. Like if you get the message that you got a bonus, you will always get the same amount regardless of how the corpse was cooked.
I think the PC gets 50, pets get 100.

I just savescum for pet resistances with corpses though. Because raising pet resistances are a bitch and you need to make them less squishy.

HOWEVER, boss corpses are fixed to always give resistance bonuses, regardless of how it was cooked. Unless your innate resistance is maxed at Normal, then nothing will happen.

And I still use magic dart in higher levels just because I trained it so much (lvl121) and I just tend to prefer one target attacks. Crystal Spear or whatever is better, but I still usually use the dart.
My most used spells are:
Magic Dart
Raging Roar
Teleport
Identify
Return
Regenerate
Cure of Eris/Jua and the other healing spells occasionally
Holy Light (Because it removes hexes from pets too)
Healing Touch
Healing Rain
Nightmare
Elemental Scar
Slow
Mist of Frailness
Mist of Silence
Feather
Speed
Hero
Dominate

I don't use offensive magic much though. I focus on support and debuffing and just let my pets take care of the rest. Debuffing is quite important later on and a lot of my pets have hex invokes on their weapons. Slow, Mist of Frailness, and Nightmare/Elemental Scar (depends on what elements you typically use) are great and I have them hotkeyed in a row.
Regenerate is good in between fighting or when you are overweight.
And I don't use Hero too much or buff because two of my pets know Cheer as do I.

>>	Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo Wed Jul 30 13:37:05 2014 No.12310366 >>12310350 Wot? No Crystal Spear?

Anonymous Wed Jul 30 15:26:27 2014 No.12310673

>>12310224
Cooking can make food better or worse, depending on the result. Stuff like charred meat or grotesque meat is worse than eating the meat raw, croquette and steak are a lot better. If you don't have decent cooking yet, or a bad cooking tool, you might want to eat stat/resistance gain corpses raw.

If you don't mind having to debuff first, nightmare followed by chaos eye is a very strong combination which does damage, prevents regeneration if the enemy isn't poison immune and generally stops monsters in their tracks through confusion, blind and paralysis. The downside is you're going to have to level nightmare to keep up with monster resistances. I'd recommend nightmare+chaos eye if you also use guns or melee, since you can cast chaos eye until the monster is confused/paralyzed then safely attack it. If you are pure caster, you might find bosses difficult (but not impossible) to hit with Nightmare, so you'd benefit more from Crystal Spear which they won't have as much resistance to.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 15:32:32 2014 No.12310685 Speaking of resistance, is there a cap for it? Would having a high enough resistance mean attacks will start doing little to no damage to you eventually?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 15:34:29 2014 No.12310689 >>12310006 I talked to them both.

>>	Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo Wed Jul 30 15:38:15 2014 No.12310699 >>12310685 There's a cap from eating corpses. As far as equipment and spell effects, I forget. You can make yourself pretty much immune to the fire tower with enough fire resists, so probably 100%.

Anonymous Wed Jul 30 15:39:49 2014 No.12310701

>>12310350
>>12310366
>>12310673

Most debuffs stop working when you're fighting strong enemies/bosses. The best offensive spell is magic storm if you're not using pets other than a riding pet.

>>12310224

Lvl up wisdom, speed, holy hex, holy shield, feather, contingency, regen, and magic storm.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 15:47:13 2014 No.12310724 >>12310701 Forgot to add dominate to this list.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 15:51:26 2014 No.12310732 >>12310701 Magic Storm works just fine with pets if you bother to train control magic like you should if you're using pets.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 15:52:17 2014 No.12310738 >>12310699 What's the cap? Does it also apply to Charisma, Life etc?

>>	Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo Wed Jul 30 15:52:56 2014 No.12310739 >>12310701 If you level up a debuff enough, it still has a chance of affecting a boss, even at a reduced duration. You should level up all your spells as much as you can.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 15:53:18 2014 No.12310740 >>12310350 >>12310701 I forgot about Wisdom Divine Wisdom and Concentration are good too Use them before every time you read a spellbook

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 15:54:47 2014 No.12310742 >>12310738 Cap is an innate resistance of Normal, or 200 Is it possible to raise innate Sound Resistance in anyway? There's the mutation for PCs, but what about in pets?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 16:09:54 2014 No.12310775 Playing without savescum feels so much better.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 16:13:56 2014 No.12310789 >>12310739 Nah, not really worth the time.

>>	Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo Wed Jul 30 16:14:54 2014 No.12310791 >>12310789 You pretty much have to if you're a pure caster.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 16:16:16 2014 No.12310793 >>12310791 Or you can just use magic attacks like a sane person.

>>	Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo Wed Jul 30 16:17:07 2014 No.12310795 >>12310793 Elona+ mobs resist magic type. You're going to have to raise your debuff spells, eventually.

Anonymous Wed Jul 30 16:22:27 2014 No.12310807

>>12310795
So? Everything resists everything late game. You don't tell melee/shooters to train mist of frailness, despite it being way more meaningful. Oh, and let's not forget that magic resist applies to all spells regardless of element, so you're just wasting time debuffing another resist and swapping element because the magic resist will still apply anyways.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 16:24:56 2014 No.12310815 How do I kill late game enemies if they resist everything and have insane armor values & HP?

Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo Wed Jul 30 16:25:10 2014 No.12310816

>>12310807
>let's not forget that magic resist applies to all spells regardless of element

Magic is a neutral element that does not impact other elements. It's just that most monsters don't have resistance to Magic Dart, your source for magic element early on, or Crystal Spear, later on. In Elona+, you will find monsters with magic element resist.

And I would say for melee and shooter types to train magic. Debuffs become essential for melee and shooter types, later on, and not training magic for late game is suicide/purposefully gimping yourself.

>>	Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo Wed Jul 30 16:26:37 2014 No.12310821 >>12310816 The fact that later enemies resist debuffs because they have higher resistance to magic element means that you NEED to train your debuffs, because they will not even apply if you don't.

Anonymous Wed Jul 30 16:29:16 2014 No.12310826

>>12310815
For mages, just grind the FUCK out of a single magic element spell so you deal crazy damage.
For melee, get an assload of arms and swing a crazy number of times with absolute pierce chance.
For ranged, stack extra shot and absolute pierce, then cry because you'll never be as good as melee or magic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 16:35:15 2014 No.12310846 >>12310826 I forgot about piercing Guess lightsabers are better than I thought they were

>>	Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo Wed Jul 30 16:36:20 2014 No.12310852 >>12310846 If you like ether disease, sure. Better off giving one to your pet.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 16:40:28 2014 No.12310862 >>12310846 ABSOLUTE pierce. Not %pierce. %pierce is crap unless you're dealing crap damage. %pierce negates a % of the XdY, not the %reduction. Absolute pierce just tells PV to go fuck itself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 16:41:07 2014 No.12310866 >>12310852 Last time I tried, you could change them out of ether with a material kit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 16:42:38 2014 No.12310869 >>12310852 Yeah I'd refrain from equipping one myself

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 16:42:53 2014 No.12310870 >>12310852 >ether disease If you're not a total fuckup, you'll be drowning in potions of cure corruption. A 50% increase in the number of potions you need means nothing.

>>	Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo Wed Jul 30 16:43:16 2014 No.12310873 >>12310866 But why would you use a material kit on a lightsabre? You're better off using it on a better weapon, for the most part, if you can afford the material kit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 16:45:05 2014 No.12310878 >>12310862 Ah ok, didn't know that Thanks! Does absolute pierce on one weapon apply to other weapons? Like if a thief pet dual wields with a short sword that has absolute piercing, will it apply to her other sword or throwing weapon?

Anonymous Wed Jul 30 16:49:25 2014 No.12310888

>>12310870
That's true, I have so many that I mainly use them for trading these days, and then just pickpocket them back and store away for actual use

Ether doesn't seem so bad when you find out that it's actually the one thing keeping every living creature in Irva alive. Too bad the English translation completely ignores the main story of the game.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 17:48:02 2014 No.12311054 What's the ideal amount of armos for a pet? I see the Asura I just got getting only a 55% hit chance with the 4th arm even if it's weilding really light stuff (the ether dagger, the oti-tubaki, a sabre and a random light dagger artifact)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 17:53:42 2014 No.12311068 Uhm, I have logistic problem. too much shit. the interesting part is that its all consumables or equipment for the pets. how do I resolve this

Anonymous Wed Jul 30 18:04:40 2014 No.12311095

>>12311068
Like you mean you have too much junk and nowhere to put it?

Just buy a few storage shacks and dump it all. I have a bunch of them because I'm a hoarder
Or get stairs for your home. With small castle, you get 400 free item spots per floor, and you can get over 9 floors

And 4th dimensional pocket is good for food, because it won't rot in it

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 18:07:42 2014 No.12311111 >>12310826 Only mutants get extra body parts, right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 30 20:07:05 2014 No.12311538 >>12311111 There's a secret experience which gives the mutant feat and you can talk to the Doc in the Southern Continent to trade Life for body parts.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 31 00:49:38 2014 No.12312319 File: 222 KB, 850x1202, gods.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] fresh from danbooru

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 31 03:43:31 2014 No.12312746 Which is the easiest mob to get for a chest part? The cobra just won't work

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 31 04:18:33 2014 No.12312802 Just got a small castle and I have no idea on how personalize it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 31 04:23:19 2014 No.12312816 Seems like I'm not gaining AP. I should've realized this sooner. How do I fix this?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 31 04:27:23 2014 No.12312823 Are there any good but yet generic (not just plain crossovers and known characters) PCCs that can replace these awful original ones?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 31 05:54:40 2014 No.12313016 >>12312816 What's your ini?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 31 07:43:44 2014 No.12313141 >>12313016 1.38R generated New character 228/70 Is this normal or my character is bugged like the wiki says?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 31 08:04:48 2014 No.12313158 >>12313141 Looks pretty normal. The enemies you're fighting just aren't strong enough.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 31 08:05:57 2014 No.12313160 >>12313158 Thanks, I got to level 9 and still no AP that's why I got worried.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 31 10:40:28 2014 No.12313363 Does blessing special foodstuff like Rabbit tail increase in effect?

Anonymous Thu Jul 31 12:40:00 2014 No.12313826
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So I just realized that I can reset the Chaos Dungeons as many times as I want. Since the respective bosses drop evolution hearts, you can get an infinite amount of Magic, Machine, and King Hearts. As well as Another Hearts.

Can I reset the Forest of Doggod to get an infinite amount of God Hearts too?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 31 12:42:13 2014 No.12313833 >>12313826 Anon, that's cheating!

Anonymous Thu Jul 31 13:06:07 2014 No.12313892
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>>12313833
But God hearts are such a pain to obtain...
Meanwhile I am up to my elbows in all the other hearts

My pet harem takes priority and I'll never perfect it at this rate. I'll most certainly bore of Elona before I get enough heats legitimately.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 31 14:09:25 2014 No.12314071 >>12308757 You done yet?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 31 14:25:23 2014 No.12314111 >>12313826 >I can reset the Chaos Dungeons as many times as I want How does it work? I only entered in one once, but after few steps I got scared and ran away

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 31 14:35:45 2014 No.12314140 I'm a pure fairy mage, which one is the best god for me, Lulwy or Iztapapffrfr?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 31 14:36:09 2014 No.12314144 >>12314111 Enter+backspace it seems, but it never worked for me. As for now i'm playing in natural mode.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 31 14:37:46 2014 No.12314151 >>12314111 You can reset any map (dungeons, towns, even your home I think) with backspace+enter on the overworld icon, everything will be restored as the first time you entered (don't reset your home).

Anonymous Thu Jul 31 15:05:00 2014 No.12314232

>>12314151
To be more precise, hold backspace when entering a map via any means and it'll bring up a prompt to ask if you want to reset the map. Doing so will reset the map to it's default state. This can be helpful (glitched map), cheating (resetting the dungeon boss to kill again), or stupid (resetting the world map, or your home).

Anonymous Thu Jul 31 15:10:02 2014 No.12314252

>>12313363
I don't think so, but am not sure for every item.
Like Hero Cheese, Magic Fruit, and Happy Apples are the same regardless of if they are blessed or not. So I think most "special" food is like this.
Potions are different though, always bless Hermes Blood

>>12314140
Either or would be fine. Look at what special abilities comes with worshiping them and the pets/weapons that come too.
Late game you usually cycle through all the gods for all the loot and pets, so just find which one is a good fit. Itzpalf is super easy to max out immediately and then leave though, just make a bunch of rods.

I personally like Ehekatl's special ability. It randomizes mana cost for spells which can be quite useful for mages. It's nearly always works in your favor, but you can accidentally kill yourself overcasting with just a low spell if you aren't careful.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 31 15:41:46 2014 No.12314329 >>12310732 whats a good way of training control magic without pissing off my pets, reading the book? that will take a while

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 31 15:43:00 2014 No.12314333 >>12314329 Just dominate something durable and bolt at it until it dies or you get bored.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 31 15:47:23 2014 No.12314350 >>12314252 I'm going to get both pets and items, so my only problem is the bonus. Having buffed magic and awesome elemental resistances by just giving rods sounds good, but I also know that speed is everything here.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 31 15:54:23 2014 No.12314372 >>12314350 You can always boost speed with AP or speed spell.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 31 16:03:02 2014 No.12314400 >>12314151 >>12314232 Does resetting your home break the game in some way, or do you just lose all your stuff? Also how can you reset the world map?

Anonymous Thu Jul 31 16:24:57 2014 No.12314469

>>12314140

The best god for everyone is kurumi. Magic god's skill can be replaced with scrolls/rods of mana and lulwy can be replaced by easy speed buffs. Especially if you are early game, you want kurimi for lvling up gardening/cooking and your other skills.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 31 16:27:09 2014 No.12314481 >>12314372 It's a very bad idea to spend your ap on speed when there's so much more useful things to spend your ap on. >>12314350 Fairies can cap resist very easily. To be honest, I kind of regret being a fairy now.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 31 16:30:26 2014 No.12314487 >>12314481 The only useful thing I got from AP was bravery trait and speed.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 31 19:17:24 2014 No.12314940 >>12313160 Yeah, the first time you'll probably get AP is around the Varuna, Black Hornet and Black kobold Tier. Still a long way away. Don't worry about it. Even at that point, you're still tens of hours away from South Tyris.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 1 00:02:59 2014 No.12315563 >>12308703 Anyone know the answer to this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 1 03:13:41 2014 No.12316141 >>12315563 you can gain attribute scrolls via wishing or ...I wanna say the workshop? As for the quest, there's some other npcs you have to talk to and they have untranslated lines. check the archives, someone made an exact guide in one of them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 1 03:14:42 2014 No.12316147 >>12316141 nevermind, that's scrolls of growth.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 1 03:30:45 2014 No.12316205 >>12316141 I got one in the middle of Lesimas, they're just rare. >>12314469 I have gardening at 38 and cooking at 21 by just doing quests and cooking my farm products so unless there's more I don't really know I need it.

Anonymous Fri Aug 1 03:39:14 2014 No.12316225

>>12316141

How do you access the archives?

>>12316205

Gardening is for farming herbs later on. Herbs are the best food for raising your stats. Cooking is good for making money until you can reliably kill lvl 200-300 dungeons and can help raise your stats when you don't have access to a lot of herbs early game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 1 03:40:36 2014 No.12316229 >>12316225 >>/jp/

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 1 04:05:12 2014 No.12316275 >>12316225 >>12316225 I also have lv49 performer and with ensemble I can do every Party Time that appears and since my house is near Palmia I see at least 7 of those quests everytime.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 1 04:28:29 2014 No.12316305 Are scrolls of Ally supposed to be that common? I'm seeing them everywhere. I thought they were rare in my first game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 1 04:40:32 2014 No.12316326 What are wishing rooms?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 1 06:51:45 2014 No.12316571 >>12316305 Nah, they're pretty common.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 1 07:24:15 2014 No.12316634 >>12316205 >>12316225 It's not the stat bonuses that make kumi best god but the stamina recovery.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 1 08:16:17 2014 No.12316714 How long would it take to grind out max stats?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 1 10:36:27 2014 No.12316919 Why does everyone want the blackmarket guy in their home? I got one and invested it to lv50 but it still looks shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 1 10:38:36 2014 No.12316923 >>12316919 Didn't they nerf him recently? I remember he sold some really good stuff, like a year ago.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 1 10:44:23 2014 No.12316937 Is the bbq set only obtainable from Party Time? I've never seen one otherwise

Anonymous Fri Aug 1 14:15:28 2014 No.12317446

>>12316305
They're more common in Elona+ then in the original Elona
I think they aren't as strong anymore though, as in they summon weaker monsters now

>>12316326
There was a moongate room that was full of hacked NPCs that would repeatedly cast Wish, which the PC would get to use so you would get hundreds of free wishes.
NPCs can't use Wish in Elona+ so they don't work anymore.

>>12316919
I always thought that black markets were shit and it's better to just find miracle equipment from quests or dungeon diving

>>12316937
Nope, I've seen them all the time in general/good shops or furniture shops. Get them to lvl 50-60 and they will pop up eventually. Rare, but they will show up.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 1 15:06:13 2014 No.12317536 Is it possible to kill the Gods and the Gods inside them without cheating? I'm only Lvl 50 and it looks like it would be an awful awful grind just to survive one of their attacks.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 1 15:25:51 2014 No.12317570 >>12317536 I wonder if anyone ever tried to wish for two gods and make them fight, you'd still have to deal with one of the inside ones if you ever survive though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 1 15:36:32 2014 No.12317591 >>12317570 I did that once. One of them will pretty much always kill you. Don't try to use Kumiromi for it, trust me, insanity wave is a massive fuck you to everything.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 1 15:55:58 2014 No.12317635 >>12317536 Gods aren't that strong. At lvl 122, I can kill bosses up to lvl 600 without any risk of dying. Past that they have a chance to kill me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 1 16:01:44 2014 No.12317648 >>12317446 >>12316919 I always preferred having 2-3x magic shops for the potential potions, wonder scrolls and stuff.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 2 05:35:28 2014 No.12319816 I just found a super lure. The money from this thing is pretty good. I also spent all of my bonus points on traveling and it seems to be working well so far.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 2 05:36:32 2014 No.12319821 How do you guys usually deal with 2 CVs, 2 BBs, 1 CLT, 1 BBV and 2 wildcards in PvP?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 2 06:21:32 2014 No.12319886 File: 366 KB, 1206x628, 2014-08-02_120928.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I didn't even remotely think about placing him on the bed..

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 2 08:33:00 2014 No.12320056 Is there an easy way to get a domination book (not the reservation) or early high leveled monsterballs? I'm level 30 and I can't get a decent pet for my level.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 2 08:38:02 2014 No.12320069 >>12320056 rod of dominate from the workshop. Also get the kaneda bike. It's a great early on pet.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 2 08:53:03 2014 No.12320107 I've read somewhere you could suggest stuff to the devs but I can't find how, I just want an evolution heart that makes the pet evolve in their better version of that specie, they could be rarely dropped by the final stages of that specific mob.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 2 11:36:17 2014 No.12320321 Is there a way to make a map bigger? The dimensions of your house or a ranch for example. Can I make it so that it's as big as a dungeon?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 2 13:46:42 2014 No.12320559 Elovac doesn't work with the latest version right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 2 13:49:13 2014 No.12320563 >>12320559 Just use EloSnack you cheating scum.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 2 13:57:08 2014 No.12320576 >>12320563 I don't like cheating with elosnack, not even cheating at all, but when I visit one of those goddamn moongates I want to steal every pretty forniture

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 2 16:21:48 2014 No.12320929 >>12320056 get a bell. Silver/Platina bells are only level 3.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 2 16:27:45 2014 No.12320941 >>12320929 Is there a way to safely lower the health of bells to the state where I can catch them with a monster ball without the risk of killing them?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 2 16:32:23 2014 No.12320955 Would becoming a centaur and wearing 2 pairs of 7 league boots halve travel time? Or is it one of those things that don't stack? >>12320941 knockout, or just wait till one doesn't immediately die after you poison it.

Anonymous Sat Aug 2 16:47:44 2014 No.12321006
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>>12310878
If it says
>It can be wielded as a weapon.
Then attributes it carries will usually only apply to itself.

If it isn't classed as a weapon, they'll apply to everything.

So, switch to claymore, and use the twin edge, gloves of vesda, and sonic tonfa if you want the best chance of pierce.

Oh, and items with that attribute do stack, by rolling separately for each item with the attribute, which also means it can rarely roll twice or more on the same attack.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 2 20:09:36 2014 No.12321639 >>12320321 Yeah. Just make a copy of dungeon1.idx and dungeon1.map and rename it to whatever you're replacing. I've only ever tried it on home5 (small castle), though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 3 05:15:02 2014 No.12322470 Is there a way to get more than 10 shortcut keys?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 3 06:07:47 2014 No.12322547 I haven't played Elona+ in a year. Is the grind still mind numbing? It took me like 50 hours to beat the first continent.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 3 06:10:32 2014 No.12322552 >>12322470 hold ctrl and then press a number

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 3 06:37:15 2014 No.12322570 >>12322547 The grinding is the funnest part.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 3 06:38:58 2014 No.12322572 >>12322570 Maybe if you're a soulless chink, but some of us actually like having actual fun outside of efficiency.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 3 10:20:14 2014 No.12322909 >>12322572 The fun is in getting stronger while exploring and doing things. If you want to skip the drawn out parts of getting stronger, play on Overdose mode.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 4 00:46:27 2014 No.12325011 >>12322909 You still have to worry about potential on overdose mode though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 4 00:52:47 2014 No.12325032 >>12322570 It stops being fun when you lose all that time you spent because you got lost in an ether storm and you forgot to pay your taxes and need to start over.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 4 01:15:08 2014 No.12325077 >>12325032 all of those things are easily fixable in a few minutes maybe. Lucky day + casino for the etherwind part, taxes aren't anything worth "starting over" about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 4 01:37:40 2014 No.12325131 >>12319886 What graphics pack is that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 4 02:22:46 2014 No.12325266 >>12325131 Looks like little girl hud, monster girl sprite pack and then some custom sprites for the pets.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 4 04:03:47 2014 No.12325572 >>12325266 How much cargo should I be carrying to reliably get bandits to show up? I'm trying to get two more capsules.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 4 04:05:15 2014 No.12325580 >>12325572 Whoops, didn't mean to quote there.

Anonymous Mon Aug 4 04:59:12 2014 No.12325823

>>12325077

Nothing bad happens when you miss a tax payment. Ether disease is easy to deal with since you get some free potions of cure corruption anyway. And most ether diseases aren't that bad.

>>12325572

Max cargo. It might take some time, but shouldn't be too bad.

>>	Reri !!WF91viYvxCD Mon Aug 4 04:59:39 2014 No.12325828 >>12325580 Don't know about you, but I encounter them very frequently in 1.38R even if I'm within cargo limit. Keep walking on the road while exceeding your limit by a few numbers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 4 05:00:15 2014 No.12325832 >>12325572 You could always cheat with elonasnack too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 4 09:46:58 2014 No.12326865 >>12310888 I didn't even know Elona had a story.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 4 10:28:34 2014 No.12326923 >>12326865 It has cutscenes and everything, but they cut it from the English version rather than trying to translate it all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 4 13:09:41 2014 No.12327288 >>12325572 They drop on death, so if you get too frustrated, just savescum and keep killing the same bandit group over and over They shouldn't be too hard to find though

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 4 13:20:18 2014 No.12327321 File: 646 KB, 960x600, 1369111489614.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How do I get the top tier alchemy recipes? Like seriously, have you guys found any? What level do you need to get a souvenir shop up to or what level dungeons do you need?

Anonymous Mon Aug 4 13:25:24 2014 No.12327340
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>>12326865
Me either because it's omitted from the English translation.

But here is an overview in English if you care
http://elona.squares.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5025

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 4 16:16:47 2014 No.12327759 >>12327321 They appear when the souvenir shop is like 100+

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 4 17:27:01 2014 No.12327936 >>12327759 thanks!

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 4 20:08:05 2014 No.12328414 >>12327340 Makes me curious about the third area, Lost Irva. I know the second area involves the Messera, not sure about the next.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 5 04:11:17 2014 No.12329939 Is there anything that deals % damage to enemy's hp? It's getting crazy now now that bosses have millions of hp.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 5 06:16:19 2014 No.12330099 Anybody got some good custom portraits?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 5 10:01:18 2014 No.12330488 What's the best starting class for a mutant to take advantage of their mutations? Is it thief for the dual wielding skill, or are there other good ways to build a mutant that don't rely on hoping you get more hands?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 5 11:54:03 2014 No.12330819 >>12327759 So for festivals where they appear, if one invests in them, will they be the same shops next year so it becomes cumulative?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 5 11:57:59 2014 No.12330825 >>12330488 I think the only long term difference between classes is the feat.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 5 11:58:31 2014 No.12330828 >>12330819 I'm not sure Just invest in the souvenir shop in Larna It stays there and you can use return to go there whenever

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 5 12:41:11 2014 No.12330907 >>12330825 You're correct, but short term difference matters in the short term. >>12330488 Thief and claymore work well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 5 12:54:30 2014 No.12330946 >>12330907 Oh right, two handing counts even with only one hand doesn't it. What if I end up with 3 or more hands? Can I only use weapon with all of those? If so I suppose if I went claymore I'd need to switch to dual wielding and start training that.

Anonymous Tue Aug 5 13:31:24 2014 No.12331050

>>12330946
Twohand just checks "Are they using only one weapon?", and the bonus does not change based on how many hands you have. It's best for people with one hand, worst for people with many.
The reason I suggest claymore is that it's a powerful melee class, and it focuses on light armor which is what you WILL be wearing at first due to limited slots.
As you start getting more hands, you will need to switch to dualwield to make maximum usage of all your hands. At first, your third/fourth/ect attacks will have near zero hit chance, but they'll slowly work their way up in accuracy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 5 18:26:27 2014 No.12332519 fugging giga bomb rocks how do I counter their bullshit?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 5 18:46:11 2014 No.12332618 >>12331050 Don't crits have guaranteed hits?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 5 18:52:33 2014 No.12332651 >>12332618 Unless the target has Greater Evasion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 5 19:41:44 2014 No.12332878 >>12332519 Nothing can self-destruct when wet. Carry tons of random potions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 5 19:42:48 2014 No.12332880 >>12332878 I guess that could work Usually they sneak up on me though

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 5 19:52:03 2014 No.12332919 >>12332880 Detect objects can reveal enemy positions to you. Use that to never be surprised again

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 6 06:07:08 2014 No.12334782 Is there any other game like Elona aside from Dwarf Fortress where there's a lot of stuff that can happen?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 6 10:02:17 2014 No.12335151 >>12308757 >I'll post it soonish. It's been over a week, man.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 6 10:06:18 2014 No.12335158 >>12335151 please be patient /jp/ anons are very slow and tend to procrastinate even the simplest of things they take it easy, no matter what

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 6 10:12:57 2014 No.12335171 >>12334782 What's "a lot of stuff?" Elona is somewhat based on ADOM if I remember, so you might try that? Then there's all those minecraft type games.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 6 11:48:31 2014 No.12335378 >>12334782 Most complex roguelikes are like this. Try nethack.

>>	Angry Gun Puck Wed Aug 6 11:55:24 2014 No.12335393 In plus is it possibe to leave my android at the day care centre and get the defender? Also can I get her back after? Or do I have to boot her? My faith barely touches the 40's and Jure will be my 5th god.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 6 11:57:52 2014 No.12335400 >>12335393 You'll be fine if you drop them off You need 10 faith for every god pet, but putting them in the doujou or discarded farm negates this

>>	Angry Gun Puck Wed Aug 6 12:10:14 2014 No.12335430 >>12335400 Neet! Off to the festival then!

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 6 17:24:04 2014 No.12336307 >>12335151 Sorry man. I've got a lot of irons in the fire. I'm definitely working on it a little bit each day though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 6 19:40:08 2014 No.12336869 >>12335430 Nice pun, bro.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 6 23:14:02 2014 No.12337368 Anyone know what Depth generators start appearing in gather sparts? I'm having trouble findin' them for change material scrolls. I just got a bell so I'm trying to outfit it with Rubynus stuff.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 6 23:31:52 2014 No.12337413 >>12337368 You find tons of them in the boss room of part 2. That's pretty far off though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 6 23:46:26 2014 No.12337467 Is there any way to dominate lvl 200+ monsters?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 6 23:47:48 2014 No.12337471 >>12337413 Fuck me. Thanks anyway.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 00:12:08 2014 No.12337550 >>12337467 Level up your dominate spell, or your magic device skill.

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Anonymous Thu Aug 7 12:03:05 2014 No.12339200

What is the best thing to stack on a living weapon you get early on? I'm giving it to a melee pet and I am not sure what the best thing to stack is. Is tactics better than damage effect or other enhancements? Would speed be better overall since it can get to like +31 iirc?

Anonymous Thu Aug 7 12:48:07 2014 No.12339425

>>12339200
If it's a good living weapon, I'd suggest +magicdamage, +magicenhancement and +godslaying. Once you start handling level 150+ random dungeons you will want that godslaying.
If it's a shitty living weapon, just choose a skill you want high sometimes but not always (faith, alchemy, gardening, performing) and spec it for that one.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 12:52:26 2014 No.12339447 >>12339425 How's the Negative Edge for godslaying?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 12:58:19 2014 No.12339477 >>12339447 Very very good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 13:05:13 2014 No.12339497 >>12339477 Excellent Into the 4th dimensional pocket it goes

Anonymous Thu Aug 7 19:10:20 2014 No.12340556

>>12339447
>>12339477
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I read somewhere that _____slaying bonuses only give a basic bonus of x1.5, no matter the level of enchantment. Is this right or wrong? If it's right, what sets apart Negative edge, say, to a random weapon with godslaying?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 19:14:20 2014 No.12340561 is there any actual numbers on much much gardening you need to consistantly have plants regrow? or even a list of logical skill progressing like fruits/vegetables->herbs->whatever?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 19:15:57 2014 No.12340565 >>12340561 I get them to reliably grow at ~40 gardening + kumi scythe. So... probably 120+? Reliably doesn't mean always, though, mind.

Anonymous Thu Aug 7 20:51:46 2014 No.12340846

>>12340561
I'm at 80~90ish with kumiscythe and still have trouble with things reseeding and withering. I can get 2, maybe 3~4 harvests from a herb bush, maybe ~10 harvests from fruit/veggies. maybe a third of my plants wither across four farms. Gem plants seem to wither the fastest and the most often, and reseed the least.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 21:51:22 2014 No.12341031 >>12340556 I can't say I've read that personally. Simplest thing to do would be to test it via elosnack. Give a weapon a godslaying value of 1, smack a god. Give the same weapon a godslaying value of 2000, smack the same god. Compare damage.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 7 22:17:24 2014 No.12341114 >>12340561 I have about an 85% chance to reseed herbs at 240ish gardening. You can get unlimited seeds from the cute fairy easily.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 8 08:38:59 2014 No.12342593 My pet drank from a well and got me a wish, but it seems like if you wish for a skill when that is the case then your pet will receive the skill instead of you. Anyone else confirm this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 8 09:36:31 2014 No.12342924 How do you keep your pet's potentials up early game? My allies have their skill potentials down to like 16 so I need to fix that. Ive never worked with pets before because I liked doing everything solo.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 8 09:47:42 2014 No.12342973 >>12342924 Mica ore is a solution. Not missing breakfast is another.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 8 09:51:04 2014 No.12342996 >>12342973 Breakfast is pretty new, does it help with skill potentials too?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 8 11:44:07 2014 No.12343513 >>12342996 Having breakfast seems to increase the normal potential gains you get from sleeping.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 8 12:57:52 2014 No.12343835 >>12342593 I think that's right. Wish for a scroll of gain attribute. It's super rare and needed for artifact fusion.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 8 13:10:58 2014 No.12343890 If I manage to recruit a god, will they still have their insanely powerful kills like mewmewmew?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 8 14:02:53 2014 No.12344089 File: 1.26 MB, 1280x720, 1401529724967.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >this isn't an h-rpg

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 8 14:10:10 2014 No.12344120 >>12343890 No, and their stats turn to shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 8 15:18:30 2014 No.12344396 >>12343513 What can give cooking to pets?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 8 15:34:22 2014 No.12344450 >>12344396 Mummies and undead are what I usually use

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 8 15:35:25 2014 No.12344454 >>12344450 >>12344396 Oh, and I think the Rogue Wizard from the slave trader gives it too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 8 15:38:47 2014 No.12344469 >>12344089 >>>/a/

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 8 15:39:49 2014 No.12344474 >>12344454 I can confirm this works, quickest way to get it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 8 15:52:51 2014 No.12344525 >>12344454 >>12344474 Thanks.

>>	Angry Gun Puck Sat Aug 9 12:57:33 2014 No.12349235 >>12342973 >Not missing breakfast is another. Is there a way to force myself to sleep if I'm not sleepy? I keep getting sleepy at the mornings... too much partying I guess...

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 14:03:57 2014 No.12349503 >>12349235 Just wait until night time You can dick around while you have the sleepy status just fine

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 14:23:23 2014 No.12349567 >>12344120 What's the best pet to recruit with the pet that isn't for role play?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 14:26:19 2014 No.12349583 >>12349567 Sorry, come again? Are you asking what the most powerful pet you can recruit is?

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 14:33:02 2014 No.12349619 >>12349583 Sorry, damn phone typos. I meant the best (most useful/powerful) pet to get with the astral pen.

>>	Angry Gun Puck Sat Aug 9 14:42:16 2014 No.12349658 >>12349503 An easy and self explanatory solution... I would never have thought of it...

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 15:18:08 2014 No.12349793 >>12349619 With the pen? No clue. As a pet in general? Grind up your "summon spirit" spell, and dominate the resulting summoned spirits. It's not hard to get a 2000 speed mount this way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 18:07:31 2014 No.12350455 >>12349793 You won't have a 2k speed mount until the effective spell level is about 1200 or something. >>12349583 The only good one I could find is Fron who has the smash tonfa.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 18:15:39 2014 No.12350490 >>12349793 Isn't the spell only obtainable via dreams? I got it once and that was all

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 18:33:09 2014 No.12350548 >>12350490 It's not hard to get hundreds of scrolls of wonder.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 18:49:35 2014 No.12350592 >>12350548 I've never got one

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 20:03:44 2014 No.12350888 >>12350592 Then you REALLY need to invest in your magic shops.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 23:18:26 2014 No.12351495 >>12350888 You only have a random chance to get summon spirit even with wonder scrolls. Leveling the spell to lvl 100+ will take a very very long time.

Anonymous Sat Aug 9 23:20:33 2014 No.12351502

>>12351495
Again, it's not hard to get extremely large quantities, and it's zero effort to level. Just spamcast whenever potential is above whatever level you put your cutoff at, and buy/bless/read every scroll of wonder you see. Just do it in parallel with whatever it is you're grinding otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 23:24:47 2014 No.12351518 >>12350888 What's the suggested level for the shop rank? I know that at least 60 is needed for the magic guild shop but nothing for the rest, I guess it's not 50

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 23:27:01 2014 No.12351527 >>12351518 I stopped seeing notable improvements around the time I hit rank 200, but I was upgrading in 50 unit steps so I'm not sure if that's accurate or not.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 23:30:51 2014 No.12351543 >>12351518 with regular ass magic shops I see wonder scrolls in stacks of five at 60ish some of the time, 110 would probley be ideal with the least spent money

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 9 23:35:50 2014 No.12351566 >>12351502 Assuming all spells are equally likely and there's like 50 spells, you'll need like 5k wonder scrolls to reach lvl 100 summon spirit.

Anonymous Sat Aug 9 23:48:52 2014 No.12351630

>>12351566
I'd like to see the math there.

have you taken into account that as you level it up, it takes less stock per cast? what Potential cutoff are you using?

On speed: I've thought about this a bit. With maxxed out spellpower bonus (that is, 3x + Medium Armor special ability buff) your spirit's level is roughly 3.15x your spell level. Nautical Spirits (being Predators and having a speed bonus) start at 95 Speed and gain 1.9 Speed per level. so a Nautical Spirit with 2000 speed:

(2000-95)/1.9+1 = Lvl 1004 (rounding up).

1004/3.2 = spell-level 319 (rounding up).

A bit of a grind, but still attainable.

There are other benefits:

Pudding Spirits have a high chance of carrying sox.

You can Dominate spirits and sell them to the blackmarket (maxxes out at 33333 gold).

Now that you can't get out-of-level pets any other way, Spirits provide the only way to get a good shopkeeper. Or band members for Ensemble.

You can even use the spell as it's designed - as high-level expendable pets.

Something tells me it'll probably get nerfed soon.

Anonymous Sun Aug 10 00:13:28 2014 No.12351755

>>12351630

>>12351630

5k just assumes that it will cost 50 scrolls per level, which is likely an understatement because my other spells take over 100 stock per level. Each spell level also requires more exp than the next, and you need to sleep for your spell level to go back up. Getting to 320 spell level takes forever especially once you factor potentials in. Furthermore, your pet needs high str in order to carry you at that speed, so you need to use a war spirit. That said, it is the only real way to get high level pets, though they aren't that good.

Anonymous Sun Aug 10 00:25:34 2014 No.12351801

>>12351755
war spirit IS nautical spirit. different translations.

each scroll gives two spells per level. the chances of getting each spell is uneven and may be Luck based (otherwise I'd be swimming in Wishes). My experience is that I get ~600 stock per 50 scrolls.

How fast you level up the spell is Learning based. Levelling up happens with just a few castings at first, (although taking more stock) and slows down to a constant rate of 30~40 castings per level (haven't fully investigated this bit). This is with a Potential capped at 150.

I'm at lvl 130 or so, and a casting takes about 2-3 stock. I'd say it costs about 100 stock for a level-up, and I imagine the number will get lower when it starts costing just a single stock.

Spirits easily outclass all other (non-levelled) pets once they hit lvl 200 or so. If you play your cards right they fill an important niche until you get to South Tyris, level up, and use an astral light pen on the Android Rider. After that it's a long grind until it surpasses 1240 speed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 10 01:22:48 2014 No.12352071 how to get dominate stock? and i would need dominate to be level 50 to dominate a lvl50?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 10 01:28:49 2014 No.12352097 >>12352071 Mages guild.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 10 01:35:16 2014 No.12352112 >>12308703 I use to play Elona, I tried to make a mage/warrior hybrid, and against all odds, even when cheating to fuck and back, it still sucked.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 10 02:14:39 2014 No.12352277 How grindy is it to train a pet? I love my Black Cat, but I know a part of the game is replacing pets with stronger ones. Any good ways?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 10 02:42:45 2014 No.12352417 >>12351801 My spells are generally in the lvl 150-200 range and spells like feather takes over 100 castings to gain a level. It does only cost 1 stock each though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 10 02:58:48 2014 No.12352525 >>12352277 Gene Engineer it with a higher level monster. Though, it isn't as effective if their stat potential is crap. Don't know how to fix that.

Anonymous Sun Aug 10 03:52:19 2014 No.12352722

>>12352525
>>12352277

Gene engineering is mostly for getting more body parts and skills. It doesn't do much for the basic stats of your ally. You could keep your pet rich so their potential stays high, but they're always be much weaker than you. Pets in general are weak now now that you can't dominate anything good except spirits.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 10 03:58:13 2014 No.12352746 >>12352277 >>12352525 Using alien pregnancy may be one possible way of getting a high level pet. Get an enemy or npc pregnant and the resulting alien is that npc's level? Can alien kids be captured?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 10 04:13:51 2014 No.12352800 >>12352722 So, how do you think they could be made better?

Anonymous Sun Aug 10 04:44:12 2014 No.12352899

>>12352277
>How grindy is it to train a pet?

If you have money to burn and the herbed food to constantly give them it's not really any worse than training your PC.

Getting them to a level where they're not getting raped by dangerous mobs is another story though to which I just advise not getting all that serious about having...Say, your little girl from the beginning of the game capable of tangoing with a Spaghetti Monster. It can take up a bunch of time and impede progress

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 10 06:46:29 2014 No.12353297 >>12352746 But having an alien pet would be a pain to keep anyway

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 10 08:03:35 2014 No.12353542 I got a herb farm, lotsa dosh, and stacks of potions of potential that I have been collecting My pets are actually stronger than me at level 57. They're a bunch of AP stealing faggots now who always get the final kill.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 10 19:36:43 2014 No.12356378 >>12353297 You can set it to defensive AI and use it as a mount.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 10 20:45:45 2014 No.12356601 >>12353542 You're probably just really weak, or you dominated/captured something strong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 10 20:48:11 2014 No.12356604 >>12353297 >>12356378 If you control an alien pet, does it still use the pregnancy skill on enemies?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 10 23:54:29 2014 No.12357240 >>12356604 It does. Would probably be annoying if it happens while fighting a dungeon boss...

>>	Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo Mon Aug 11 00:13:04 2014 No.12357278 >>12356604 It does, and anything spawned by it is hostile, which means you are fucked.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 11 00:31:05 2014 No.12357326 Reading the Japanese BBS, it looks like magic power bonus will be capped at 2.5 instead of 3 in the next version. FUCK.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 11 06:12:55 2014 No.12358376 File: 935 KB, 1033x598, Clipboard02.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12356378 child of a sandbagged Devastate Lulwy. BRB trying it on lvl 3000+ dungeon bosses.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 11 06:16:28 2014 No.12358386 >>12358376 Fucking GODLY

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 11 06:34:23 2014 No.12358430 File: 867 KB, 995x576, Clipboard03.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12358376 child of a Lvl 2803 Grand Ent. 2000+ Speed. well, this is now officially the fastest way to get a 2000 Speed mount.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 11 13:43:12 2014 No.12359849 Can spells crit?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 11 14:00:58 2014 No.12359904 >>12358376 It's not really a good mount since it has somewhat low str.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 11 14:05:51 2014 No.12359917 >>12358430 How do you get that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 11 20:53:30 2014 No.12361255 >>12359849 Nope. They also don't miss, though. And grater evasion won't work. Just to give a little perspective. >>12359917 As he said, he got lv. 3000+ bosses preggers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 11 22:19:24 2014 No.12361552 does it still matter whether or not you open containers like treasure balls or chests in the highest level dungeon you can access?

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 11 22:58:07 2014 No.12361674 >>12361552 It no longer does. However, it DOES matter where you obtain them. So drag a gatchapon machine down to the deepest hardest bit of dungeon you can to do your lucky day balling.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 12 04:27:29 2014 No.12362663 What's the best way to use aren't they unmovable and won't they disappear in dungeons?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 12 04:48:05 2014 No.12362693 >>12362663 You can buy them and carry them around if you have high enough weight lifting and str.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 12 04:51:17 2014 No.12362700 >>12362693 I mean, after using them

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 12 05:48:18 2014 No.12362841 >>12362700 you can use them from your inventory, anon.

Anonymous Tue Aug 12 06:51:45 2014 No.12362945

>>12362700
Get the machine and enough inventory capacity to not get crushed, go to the highest level dungeon, use the machine up, DON'T open the balls right there, go back to your house with the machine, put it down, THEN open the balls.
It's not a complicated process.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 12 10:09:13 2014 No.12363448 >>12362663 you can change their material to zylon or spirit cloth and 70 - 60 weight is much more managable

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 12 10:52:52 2014 No.12363588 >>12362663 Use 4th Dimensional Pocket to hold it without burdening you

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 12 17:20:05 2014 No.12364844 I have a question on ranches, if I breed things that have a chance to drop a certain artifact will they still drop it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 12 17:27:28 2014 No.12364863 >>12364844 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 13 05:29:32 2014 No.12366711 Somebody should do a speedrun. I wonder how long it takes to go from beggar meat to killing inner gods.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 13 05:51:47 2014 No.12366756 After 430 or so inferior material scrolls i still can't get my nether resist ring to be made of bone. Did elona+ change it to really really rare inferior material or does my luck just suck?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 13 07:17:48 2014 No.12366895 >>12366756 I cant recall ever seeing bone equipment, but i've seen "immortal" stuff once or twice. I think it might be really rare now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 13 07:26:15 2014 No.12366913 >>12366756 It's really fuggin rare. Like dragon scales. I've also only ever had those come up once or twice in my whole elona career. If you really want it, though, just don't give up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 13 07:27:34 2014 No.12366919 >>12366711 I don't think this is a sort of game you can 'speedrun'. Unless your idea of a speedrun is 90% going into random dungeons to grind HARD.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 13 07:31:09 2014 No.12366931 >>12366913 >>12366895 Wait, bone stuff is rare? I never even knew. I just stick it all in my shop. Nether hasn't really ever been a problem for me though. Just eat some hellcrabs.

Anonymous Wed Aug 13 07:42:39 2014 No.12366948

>>12366931
I'm a fairy. I have superior reis to everything but poison and nether. And my resist attribute spell sux and lasts for 30-35 turns only.
It's not like i have trouble with nether. I just simply love to have full resistances to everything, and anything the game can throw at me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 13 14:36:24 2014 No.12368033 Why Kumiromi don't want my seeds?

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 13 14:39:19 2014 No.12368042 >>12368033 if you're playing elo+, kumi doesnt take seeds anymore. just veggies. I'd stock up on the plants you can get on the overworld map and donate them in bulk.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 13 20:13:49 2014 No.12369036 >>12366931 Bone as a basic material isn't. one as a result of using inferior material, is.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 13 22:22:51 2014 No.12369394 >>12366948 Level up attribute shield. It's overpowered later on.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 14 06:30:00 2014 No.12370877 How do you motivate yourself /jp/ when you feel like you've hit a wall. That point where the grind is not fun to you anymore but you still know you should pursue it much like Lu Bu.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 14 08:23:58 2014 No.12371127 >>12370877 I usually create a new char, play with it till I see how much more grinding it needs and run back to my old and well leveled character.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 14 18:31:26 2014 No.12372747 >>12370877 i just take a break and come back to it in a few weeks. I play elona in bursts.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 14 23:53:55 2014 No.12373707 >>12370877 breaks i always get back in the mood after a few hours

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 15 22:17:34 2014 No.12377638 >>12370877 Go play other games for a month.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 16 09:21:12 2014 No.12379128 I am steadily working up my Wish levels. Over 125 now, and I get 3~4 wishes from the 200 stock given by Wonder scrolls. Hoping for 6~7 by lvl 200.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 17 06:38:06 2014 No.12382903 File: 117 KB, 950x650, Mani.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 17 07:40:37 2014 No.12383051 my stack of blessed water just turned into a stack of blessed poison. fucking why

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 17 08:09:49 2014 No.12383122 >>12383051 You might have an ether mutation that poisons your potions when you pick them up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 17 11:31:52 2014 No.12383779 The last time I played Elona, plus didn't exist yet. How many things have changed since then? If there's too many changes, what are the most major changes? Are panties still throwing weapons?

>>	Anonymous Sun Aug 17 12:34:52 2014 No.12384044 >>12383779 >Are panties still throwing weapons Yes We also have socks now that deal nerve damage

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 18 03:36:26 2014 No.12386980 >>12383779 >what are the most major changes AP system, more content, LOTS more content, new god, new areas, new artifacts, pet evolutions, a couple of changed skills and drops, living weapons overhaul, artifact fusion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Aug 18 07:06:52 2014 No.12387487 >>12383779 also Magic is now actually good

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 19 07:18:10 2014 No.12391666 >>12387487 Magic was always goodspeed magic

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 19 09:04:27 2014 No.12392089 If I dual wield a whip with a scythe and use Distant attack, will the scythe deal damage and/or invoke decapitation?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 19 09:05:46 2014 No.12392094 Is Shena's ass still the best?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 19 09:36:25 2014 No.12392188 >>12392089 It should, from what I've seen all weapons that you are using function normally on a distant attack, though I havnt done it too much.

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 19 09:50:14 2014 No.12392245 >>12392188 So basically I could tie my kumi scythe on my Ivy Spine to poison, bleed, and possibly decapitate something from 4 cells away. Would the bonus multi hit from dual wield kick in too?

>>	Anonymous Tue Aug 19 21:17:13 2014 No.12394313 >>12392245 Absolutely. Anything you can do with a normal attack, you can do with a distant attack.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 20 06:22:34 2014 No.12395467 Thank you for the confirmation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 20 06:23:47 2014 No.12395472 >>12392094 Yes. Yes it is.

Anonymous Thu Aug 21 07:19:46 2014 No.12399898

what is the ultimate weapon?

I crafted a Living Weapon Hand Grenade with three +Magic Damage Tears, 8 levels of +Magic Damage, 1 level of Massive Damage vs Gods. I used Greater Change Material scrolls to make it Ether, used a shitton of Flying Scrolls to make it weigh 500+ s. (since every added +10 gives +1 damage). Of course I enchanted it to +10 and blessed it.

It deals over 100k damage vs inner gods when wielded by my lvl 1400 minotaur as a close combat weapon.

Alas, it's still not as good as the Inner God weapons, which are ~330K using the same pet.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 21 08:19:50 2014 No.12400061 >>12399898 The inner god weapons are the best, though by the time you're able to get them, it doesn't really matter what you use.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 21 08:23:06 2014 No.12400073 >>12400061 main problem with the inner god weapons is that they cause Ragnarok. this makes them completely impractical even if you deal with the weight issues.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 21 09:38:11 2014 No.12400226 are potions of descent super rare now? I have yet to see a single one and I am now level 48, what level does a magic shop have to be to start seeing them they don't seem to show up at level 110ish shops

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 21 09:57:44 2014 No.12400265 >>12400226 they're super rare - the most reliable way to get them is via Wish. However, they're also quite useless now, since there's no real reason you'd want to go down levels any more.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 21 09:58:32 2014 No.12400267 >>12400226 They are usually more rare than flying scrolls, so shop level doesn't really matter.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 21 16:51:04 2014 No.12401459 File: 413 KB, 875x818, 1404336877912.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why are God Hearts such a rare drop fuck man dis is bullshit ;_;

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