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Why is otaku culture dying

Touhou is dying, Type Moon is dying, 007th expansion is pretty much dead, etc.

>> No.12261812

Good thing I'm not into any of these nerd hobbies, so I have nothing to fear.

>> No.12261848

>>12261811
All those are shit and hardly related to otaku culture.

>> No.12261854

>>12261848
yeah, but kancolle and idol generals are

>> No.12261867

>>12261811
Touhou is alive as long as ZUN makes shit for it (and, if you include the secondary scene, as long as people continue producing secondary content for it). Since all of them are continuing to do things, it's still alive.

>Type Moon is dying
They haven't done that much shit this last two years but how long do want them to milk a single franchise for, really? And Fate/kaleid Prisma Illya 2wei is airing this season.

>> No.12261900

>>12261867
>They haven't done that much shit this last two years but how long do want them to milk a single franchise for, really?
Not on the software side, but they've put out a manga, light novels, and sound dramas for a variety of things. Fate/Apocrypha is up to volume four.

Of course, nobody cares because Japanese, which is probably what OP is really complaining about.

>> No.12261912

I guess it's up to /jp/ to save it

And having a decline is preferable to otaku culture becoming mainstream

>> No.12261917

>>12261912
/jp/ is about as capable of saving something than it is of getting anything done. It's not.

>> No.12261926

Otaku culture isn't defined by those things.
Different things are popular now.

>> No.12261936

>>12261917
/jp/ is pretty much only capable of complaining about stupid shit

>> No.12261957

>>12261926
Like what? I haven't seen anything innovative nor popularity breaking as examples given by OP.

>> No.12261967

>>12261957
Loli is still alive and well and we know that is what really draws people to otaku culture.

>> No.12261969

>>12261957
What is Kancolle?

>> No.12261978

>>12261811
Let them die. I never hopped on any of those bandwagons myself.

>> No.12261979

>>12261969
Kancolle isn't innovative nor good.

>> No.12262010

Touhou is reclining

>> No.12262040

>>12261969
Kancolle is retarded because there is no plot or setting. It's just characters.

>> No.12262045

Otaku culture is a direct response to the constraining and overworked culture of japan.

As time pases those restrictions loosen up so there is less need for art.
Since what drives artists is the need to escape and be free it only works as long as they feel trapped.

So my prediction is that otaku culture will become mainstream and bland, while there will be a new and very small subculture that opposes modern internet ideals.

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It's ok Kancolle and im@s will save us.

>> No.12262062

>>12262040
> It's just characters
/jp/ culture is about loving 2d characters, like vocaloid culture

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>>12262040
> It's just characters.
just like 2hu am i right

>> No.12262076

>>12262073
Touhou may not have much of a plot, but it has setting. Kancolle doesn't even have that.

>> No.12262079

>>12261936
/thread

>> No.12262086

>>12261936
>>12262079
Agreed, my /a/ and Pooshlmer bros

>> No.12262088

>>12261811
Otaku culture isn't "dying". Nothing lasts forever, Touhou and the popularity of these other projects wouldn't last forever. As something starts to be considered old or dated by their audience, it's only natural for people to shift their attention to new or innovative concepts.

It's the same damn thing with Kancolle, which a lot of people consider to be the Touhou killer for some reason; it'll enjoy its five minutes of glory, then people'll move on to the next big thing with lewd character designs.

Or what, did you believe all these things would be popular with everyone forever on this magical bubble where no other franchises are ever developed?

>> No.12262091

Swapmeets used to be an essential part of otaku culture. I bet none of you have ever been to a swapmeet. Otaku culture changes over time.

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>> No.12262101

>>12262091
I was at one recently. I got my first 3 poz loads. Hoping to stop being a neg so I can be a giver.

>> No.12262108

>>12262073
Why the tumblr image?

>> No.12262113 [DELETED] 

>>12262108
because your ass stinks

>> No.12262116

>>12262086
/a/ rarely gets shit done, I don't know if Pooshlmer ever gets shit done (is that where Medical Whiskey's from?), /jp/ never gets anything done.

>> No.12262134

>>12261811
Otaku culture is very boring.

>> No.12262151

But Otaku Culture is growing and expanding.
With each passing year, anime-related media is generating more and more revenue. Same with the videogame industry.

Its just that /jp/ happens to be where depression and laziness is most concentrated, so you think it looks like otaku culture is dying.

>> No.12262159

>>12262113
sniff sniff

>> No.12262167

>>12262151
Anime is the least otaku culture there is.

>> No.12262171

>>12262167
No true Scotsman fallacy

>> No.12262172

>>12262076
That doesn't mean it's bad.

>> No.12262185

>>12262167
You shouldn't say things that are blatantly untrue.

>> No.12262186

Otaku Culture is one of those "I know it when I see it things," nobody ever bothers to define it.

>>12262172
There's nothing wrong with not having canon but it means everything is up in the air and nobody has any good reference point to build their secondary creations off. Which makes it hard to take anything seriously.

>> No.12262210

>>12261811
Kaleid Liner is still going strong. Tsukihime Remake 2020.

Ren dakimakura will release soon.

>> No.12262280

Otaku culture is not dying, its just that otaku culture *as /jp/ knows it* is being replaced by new trends.

Old VN/doujin blockbusters are being replaced and becoming more niche, because the market allows for it. While this means that everyone in Japan gets what they desire, due to the thriving online trade, it also means that the Western batch of translators and competent weebs, who are not exactly growing as it is, cannot simply put their efforts into a few series and get bang for their buck. A lot of it passes through the filter, and unless it something simple and linear like anime dialogue, it is not a job that any shmuck can do.

I mean, Niconico has plenty of great videos and funny fads still being released, but all you hear on /jp/ is how it is infested with tweens because the old grapevine on IRCs and imageboards has deteriorated and no one hold-hands them anymore. Same with the VN scene and doujinshi scene.

At the end of the day, you have to face that otaku media is inherently domestic and esoteric, and that you will lose plenty through context unless you know the language or you actively try to be up-to-date on all the latest happenings.

>> No.12262408

RIP French Bread ;_;

>> No.12262430

>>12261811
Your "otaku culture" is dying you mean, It's not like everyone like Touhou or higurashi.

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Any reason you've decided the most popular things within their respective genres/mediums are the defining aspects of otaku culture?

>> No.12262461

>>12262430
I'm not even an otaku but I enjoy both of those

>> No.12262465
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>>12262408
They're still making games.

>> No.12262469

>>12262465
RIP ;_;

>> No.12262520

>>12262280
>and that you will lose plenty through context unless you know the language or you actively try to be up-to-date on all the latest happenings.
Is there a market for trying to provide high-end translation and interpretation of developments in the scene? Or is sankaku the best we ca muster?

>> No.12262539

>>12262520
You either need to find people willing to pay you subscription money for your translations, or find a way to amass a million followers so you can survive off the ad revenue.

tl;dr - no.

>> No.12262544

/jp/ has a severely distorted interpretation of otaku culture

>> No.12262549

>>12262544
Not as distorted as your face!

>> No.12262654

Why don't people understand that "dying" is different from "dead"?
Touhou is dying but nowhere near dead yet.

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>>12262654
It's just reclining.

>> No.12262685

>>12262539
I appreciate your response, but I should've pointed out that I was only asking a rhetorical question. Sorry for wasting your time...

>> No.12262696

>>12262088
Eva is still going strong even after almost two decades, nerd.

>> No.12263152

You know, I don't actually give a shit about Kagerou Project - it's the kind of thing that I feel like I won't be able to appreciate until my Japanese better - but that was something that I thought should have belonged in /jp/.

Of course, nobody actually wants to use /jp/ for anything, because of it's reputation for being complete and utter shit, so /a/ is just eating our lunches.

>> No.12263418

>>12263152
/jp/ was doing great when it actually had a "reputation for being complete and utter shit". It only died when it became /a/'s cool summer house.

They were always talking about "our" topics on /a/ in their own shit way and it never concerned anyone on /jp/ any more than a thread on reddit would, back when the userbases were separate. The problem now is that there's no "us" and "them" anymore. It's mostly "them" around, and trying to talk about something with "us" will only end up with "them" showing up telling you to go to "their" threads elsewhere.

>> No.12263446

>>12263418
That's an interesting alternate reality you live in.

>> No.12263467

>>12263446
It's pretty shit, actually, so feel free to red-pill me, /pol/-sama.

>> No.12263855

>>12263418
/jp/ was doing great when it had a reputation for being a shithole full of autistic elitists. It went to shit when it lost that, and gained a reputation for being a shithole full of shitposting children and attention whores.

>t's mostly "them" around, and trying to talk about something with "us" will only end up with "them" showing up telling you to go to "their" threads elsewhere.
That's a nice story, but just that. The reason nobody makes Kagerou Project threads is because nobody in /jp/ gives a shit, and even if someone did, he would have nobody to talk to.

>> No.12263920

>>12263855
>a shithole full of shitposting children and attention whores

I.e. yet another 4chan board.

>nobody in /jp/ gives a shit

Yes. And nobody in /jp/ gives a shit because there's nobody left "in /jp/" to give a shit. Just a bunch of tourists visiting specifically for some single old niche topic that somehow manages to still keep an active discussion (at best) or just out to shitpost (at worst). That's the shitty reality.

>> No.12265231

>>12261867
>how long do want them to milk a single franchise for, really?
Why don't they ever do any other franchises?

>> No.12265236

Kancolle is a shit. Oversexualized ships, no plot, shit game and generic character designs.
The hype will be gone soon anyway

>> No.12265241

>>12265236
2hufags as delusional as ever.

>> No.12265243

>>12265236
>Kancolle is a shit.
not
>Kancolle is a ship.

god damn it anon

>> No.12265324

>>12265243
I'm more appalled by his inclusion of "is" where "a" alone would suffice.

>> No.12265339

>>12265243
>>12265324
Agreed my comr/a/des.

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>>12265236
their fans think otherwise

>> No.12265353

>>12265350
danbooru a shit [sic]

>> No.12265372

>>12265353
Those are straight from pixiv, son. No one sells if no one buys.

>> No.12265454

>>12261957
>Touhou
>shallow Cave rip-off
>innovative

>Idolmaster
>boring Parappa clone
>innovative

>Tsukihime
>generic vampire story
>innovative

Jesus dude, you need a reality check.

>> No.12265460

>>12265454
Who are you quoting?

>> No.12265632

Otaku culture isn't a ``thing"

>> No.12266288

>>12263920
That's the people who should have been in /jp/ talking about things went elsewher (because it was shit). For example, /a/ has all the shitty TYPE-MOON threads that /jp/ used to have.

Some of these "tourists" used to be "from /jp/" before /jp/ became shit and they gave up, because they didn't have an irrational attachment to a shitty image board.

>> No.12266792

>>12266288
You obviously don't need /jp/ to make shitty threads. Whether people making them on /a/ are the same people who made them on /jp/ or copycats is debatable, but irrelevant.

People who didn't have an irrational attachment to a shitty imageboard left 4chan,

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