/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Why haven't you done your reps today, anon-kun?

[Anonymous No.]

I think you know why.

[Anonymous No.]

50 more to go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12255672

I do them first thing in the morning.

[Anonymous No.]

I've been learning grammar and reading instead. It works better.

[Anonymous No.]

I rather learn vocab. At least I get to use it right away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12255814
i try this every morning but i\m just too bad on waking up early

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>>12257219
How do you learn vocab if you havnt learnt the kanji needed to read/write the vocab?

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>>12257390
how do you learn kanji if you haven't learned the vocab you need to use the kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>12257390
Because I don't need to write, just read. I rather learn 大丈夫 as okay rather than big height husband.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12257390
>>12257399
How do you learn Japanese if all you do is argue about retarded shit?

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>>12257414
Wasnt arguing.. legit question.
I'm just using Anki to learn Kanji at the moment. Usually pick up the onyomi and maybe one kunyomi for each kanji, aswell as all the english meanings for each kanji.
As for vocab, I'd only be able to read words which use kanji I know. How am I supposed to learn any vocab if it uses kanji I've never seen before?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12257422
>>12257390
So you never learned any words in Japanese before you started learning kanij? Are you using only text and no audio?
You didn't learn anything while watching anime? How retarded are you?
In before
>I don't watch anime

By the time I actually started learning proper I knew several hundred words already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12257422
There are two schools of thought on learning kanji.

The first is that you learn the kanji meanings and/or readings individually and then move on to vocab. The second is that you skip learning them individually, and just pick up the kanji readings from vocab and infer their meanings based on what words they appear in. Both approaches have advantages and disadvantages.

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>>12257422
Do you think that after you learn 3000 kanji you'll just be able to read or something? Whether you learn the kanji or not, you'll still have to learn vocabulary. You don't need to know kanji of a word to learn it, you just learn the word. If the kanji is common enough to come up in another word, your brain will map the readings and meanings. Anything you don't pick up naturally is useless information to begin with.

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>>12257432
>Both approaches have advantages and disadvantages.
Yep, but you can't really stop people from endlessly arguing about this, although I'd recommend those who want to get into VNs, games, LNs and the like to learn by vocabulary since they'll be able to learn while entertaining themselves.

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>>12257432

I think it's better to do both but focus on kanji first. If you see a word with a kanji you don't know, take some time to look up the kanji too.

sites like http://jisho.org/kanji/radicals/
can be indispensable

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>>12257461
That's a non-sequitur. If you want to read, you need to be able to read, which brings us back to how the fuck do you learn to read in the first place.

Learning kanji in isolation is the sole fastest method. To read text, you don't need to know how to pronounce it, just what it means.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12257470
>still using this le epic troll

[Anonymous No.]

I do them as soon as I wake up, though. I'm even already finished adding new cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12257429
>>12257470
>>12257485
Kill yourselves out of /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>12257506
That post was really uncalled for. Not to mention counterproductive, you're just asking for

>being this frustrated

replies. Though perhaps that's exactly what you want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12257506
le epic heisig face
No, YOU kill YOURSELF.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12257412
Except you're going to need to know all three of those kanji independently if you want to read anything above high school level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12257456
this.

in 要綱, 綱 is pronounced kou
in 綱引き, it is pronounced tsuna

have fun remembering kanji without context

[Anonymous No.]

>>12257736
knowing 大 and 丈 and 夫 independently doesnt help much if you dont know which pronounciation to use in other words. you need to memorize full words, not just kanji

for example dai in daijoubu can be oo or ookii or tai in other words, and there is not way to know which pronounciation except by memorizing that word

[Anonymous No.]

>>12258199
The latter two are words on their own.

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>>12258193
That's a really bad example. Countering your own points type of bad.

綱 can only be two things, rope as "tsuna" (kun) and class/principle as "kou" (on), with he latter almost never used on its own.

When you see 綱引き, you can safely assume it's a native word (okurigana), from which you can figure out the reading (tsuna + hiki) and meaning (rope + pulling).

When you see 要綱, all you need to know is that it's kango, from which the reading (you + kou) and meaning (cornerstone + principle) will follow. And it's obviously kango, since "rope" makes little sense next to 要.

It's not always that easy, but it's always much easier than memorizing every word in isolation from its parts and hoping your brain will make out some patterns in the process. Seeing how you can't even use obvious clues like these, it clearly doesn't work for you.

[Anonymous No.]

I have 800 reviews accumulated and 100 new cards to do today.

[Anonymous No.]

http://strawpoll.me/1712230

[Anonymous No.]

>>12258655
You shouldn't do new cards when you have that much to review

[Anonymous No.]

>>12258716
Stop projecting. I hate when people do this. Just because you do 100 reviews a day or whatever does not mean 800 is a lot for another person. I get a similar amount of reviews per day, it's normal.

[Anonymous No.]

>using anki after the first 1,5/2k words
>not just reading moege

what the hell /jp/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12258880
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12258738

800 is a lot. It's time to stop reviewing and just start reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12258880
to be honest, you should start moege right after you finish genki or some some similar grammar book.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12258880

What is a moege and how much lube do I need to fit it in my asshole?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12258916
Why wait that long? You should just start after you've gotten the first five kana memorized.

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>>12258880
Anki is mainly useful for advanced learners only who need to start remembering words which don't appear often. Common words are easily remembered by reading because they appear so often.

Also why would anyone read moege for learning purposes? Getting stuck with easy stuff is the biggest mistake what language learners make.

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>>12255672
I'm on holiday in Japan right now, and it's discouraged me from learning Japanese.
>not Japanese (I don't even look Asian)
>nobody will take me seriously, even if I do finish learning
>I'll still be just a "baka" gaijin who knows Japanese who is unapproachable because he doesn't look Japanese

It feels awkward. This is why I haven't done my reps today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12258923
>Learning kana
Rolf. Why don't you just learn them by vocabulary?

[Anonymous No.]

I can't believe there are people still at the stage of learning Japanese here.

It's almost as if /jp/ is a revolving door..

[Anonymous No.]

>>12258958
Do you think people learn languages through osmosis?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12258958
Learning never stops

[Anonymous No.]

>>12258716
I might skip new cards for a few days.

>>12258915
It only takes me ~30 min to get through them, though. That leaves plenty of time for reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12258926
it's good for beginners.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12259050
And? There aren't beginners in this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

I did it all! I finished the core 2k!

[Anonymous No.]

>>12259333
Congratulations! You are now Japanese!

[Anonymous No.]

>>12259333
Why didn't you do 10k instead?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12259153
I'm a beginner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12259333
you will finish it when the red one is as big as dark green is now and there is no blue...

[Anonymous No.]

>>12259333
Is there a particular core 2k deck I should do? there are a lot on Anki...

[Anonymous No.]

外黒人

[Anonymous No.]

>>12259526
Yeah, core 10k.

[/jp/sy No.]

>anon-kun

[Anonymous No.]

I am doing core 10k. How do you guys configure your anki (reps and new cards per day)?
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12257432
I started learning kanji from a book (Kanji and Kana, covers joyou kanji), but it was really hard to memorise all the different meanings and pronunciations at once for each kanji. Now what I do is vocab (anki shows hiragana, I write kanji and english meaning(s)) and then I look up the kanji one denshi jisho if it's new or used in a new way to see what else it could mean. For example I looked up the 近 in 近くwhen it came up, but when 近い came up, I didn't look it up again because it is used in much the same way (both referring to things being close or near, in space and in time respectively). There's no point knowing a pronunciation for a kanji if you have no words to use that pronunciation, it may even trip you up if you think "Now which pronunciation is it in this word again?".

[Anonymous No.]

因为我已经会说流利的中文。。。

当然，除非呢，你只是个白痴，所以不明白这个事实。

[Anonymous No.]

>>12260106
>为
>经
>说

These are not in the dictionary. Pretty strange.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12260107
because I'm speaking Chinese to mess with you. I will start learning Japanese later cause already knowing a little from Chinese will help a lot.

Chinese people learn Japanese a lot faster than westerners and I have passed the highest Chinese ability exam, hoping it means I can study japanese faster too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12260107
Oh, it's simplified Chinese. Never mind.

[Anonymous No.]

i study using japanese for busy people, a grammer book, japanesepod101 and a weekly meet up doing language exchange. its only been a few month so im a total novice.

i thought it would be more important for me to be able to speak japanese rather than read or write as i will be returning to japan soon, but tonight i decided to grab aniki and the 10k deck.

I just done and first 20 and struggled with a few.

how are you supposed to understand how to pronounce the kanji?

for example "house" i know as ???????but the deck had two, the other one was about going to your families house i have forgotton the hiragana for it already but it was different.

another example was day or sun ?????and ??????

if my text has came out as a bunch of question marks then blame the phone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12260145
I blame your phone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12255672
役立たず提案乙

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>>12260111
Enjoy getting fucked with the readings faggot.

As a japanese fluent, I can make some sense of your chink shit, but you won't be able to read out loud for the fuck of yourself at first

One biggest problem you'll have is the pronunciation of the kanjis, and holding that chink head of yours and not let your shit language confuse you when reading.

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>>12259333
Congratulations, that means absolutely nothing. Even the core 10k doesn't really give you the ability to read very much. Come back when you know 20k+.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12260885
>Come back when you know 20k+
He should come back when he starts actually learning japanese, instead of memorizing edict definitions out of context, buddy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12260895
Core2k isn't edict btw.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12260895
>out of context
What are example sentences? What is complimentary and supplementary resources?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12259333
>using a premade deck
>learning 2000 words before even reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>12262378
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

Finally passed 4000 mark after 3 years

[Anonymous No.]

>>12262888

[Anonymous No.]

>>12262888

What software is this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12263019
Adobe Lightroom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12263024
Thank, anon!

[Anonymous No.]

>>12263019
My god more of these pics anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>12263019
What are they doing to him?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12263096
>"Ara~ Kawaii~"

[Anonymous No.]

because I lost all my data

[Anonymous No.]

Have all you non-native English speakers done your daily English reps?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12263127
ううん

[Anonymous No.]

>>12262378
What made you think he learned 2000 words before reading?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12262378
You do realise you can both read and do pre-made decks, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12263439
Most people here don't even seem to realize you can mix up kanji and vocab study, something like mixing up reps and reading has to be a truly mind-blowing concept.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12263127
I have done with my daily English rape.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12263458

My deck is constructed from the words I don't understand while reading, playing games, or occasionally words I hear.

I can't imagine this would be very constructive if I was having to add every word I encountered, though.

[Anonymous No.]

I neglected Anki for the past couple of days and now I have 1000+ reviews piled up. ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

You have two choice:
1) Do 1000+ Reviews at once
2) Recognize that life isn't a race, pause new cards, limit reviews to 300 a day, and work your way through it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12264614
>>12263751
~

[Anonymous No.]

>>12262888
Did you do 10 cards a day? Either way, nice work anon! Can't wait to see the same sight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12264630
Nah, I do 50 a day. The reason it took 3 years is because im just lazy. but i read a lot so i think it compensate? Those 4000 are self made vocab

[Anonymous No.]

>>12264933
If you did 50 words a day for three years, your vocabulary would be 54750 words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12264982
He clearly did 50 reps a day. Reps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12265197
I assumed the discrepancy was because he skipped a lot of days. Given that he had 600 answers recently, I don't think he only did 50 reps a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12255814
How do people have enough willpower to do this?

I just hapharzardly due them throughout the day and never finish them.

[Anonymous No.]

What EPWING dictionaries do people like? J-J in particular. I'm growing out of EDICT.

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>>12267136
I've used 大辞林第２版 and 広辞苑第６版 for a while now and so far I've found the former to be the best.

I'd love to hear if there are other good ones out there, though. Especially if there's one out there that covers common expressions. Those EPWING dictionaries I mentioned fall short to EDICT when it comes to that.

[Anonymous No.]

I've been doing my reps daily without missing any days for a while, but now that I have over 1000 reviews to go through on some days I don't really want to bother.

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>>12258880
I can't get motivation if I don't have a progress bar.
Also reading when you have to look up every word is the best way to start hating learning.

>>12263127
>English reps
I never actually studied English except grammar shit for tests.
By the way English grammar is awful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12262888
>after 3 years
And how much is that in hours?
Why do people use such meaningless measures of time as days/months/years when it come to learning? It's obvious you're not studying every waking hour.

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't done my reps for two weeks. I've lost the will to go on.

I can't learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12260499

What is that from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12269886
戦場のヴァルキュリア

[Anonymous No.]

>>12266876
Because consuming Japanese media is much more easier after daily reps. Obviously.

[Anonymous No.]

Stopped doing my reps, which is fine since I get around pretty well with my 10k words.

[Anonymous No.]

It is a good feeling when your vocab as kanji deck finally comes together and you can recognise new words by knowledge of kanji pronunciations from other words, also, adding words without definitions because they're familiar by osmosis already.

[Anonymous No.]

I have 1652 reviews to do. Please bully me into doing them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12270085

They were proving that a nuclear reactor would fly in a plane.

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>>12270594
You're a lazy piece of human trash who will never learn Japanese or amount to anything.

[Anonymous No.]

Every day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12255672
What is this? (Don´t really visit /jp/ all that much.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>12270639

Search "anki".

You could alternatively have reverse image searched the OP, and never have had to ask.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12270608
I didn't end up doing my reps yesterday either. I am the most useless person to have ever existed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12257432
>Both approaches have advantages and disadvantages.
Which are?

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>>12266876
you just need to stick with it till you actually realize that yes you are learning jap

my moment was when i was reading some random ntr doujin in jap and found that i understood pretty much everything and only had to assume some of the odder sex words

also if youre not reading a vn as you learn with anki it seems pretty pointless. like as you get faster and more accurate and need to use the parser less and less it becomes much easier to do your daily reps every morning

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>>12270085

Congratulations Anon. You're ascending the Intermediate Plateau.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12258916
Which ones would work for someone, who has only finished 2 parts of Genki and something about 550 kanji from Shin Nihongo No Kiso kanji book? I tried to read a few of them but there was a lot of grammar that I am not exactly familiar with not mentioning tons of new words and kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12273913
Albatross

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>>12273913
Hanahira, then flyable heart (yes this already has almost 2k kanji but it's easy as shit to read.) and after that read daitoshokan (really good for beginners in my opinion because it uses a lot of useful vocabulary).

Than pretty much any moege.
Please don't discuss the image and just save it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12273941
>Hanahira
But onomatopoeia and broken grammar logic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12273944
eh it takes like 3 hours to finish and it gives a good grasp on how to use kanji to complete beginners. You could skip it though yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12273941
What's good to read if I don't like moege?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12273987
いつか、届く、あの空に。
きっと、澄みわたる朝色よりも、
信天翁航海録
装甲悪鬼村正
霞外籠逗留記
俺たちに翼はない
神咒神威神楽
相州戦神館學園 八命陣
天ツ風 ～傀儡陣風帖～

[Anonymous No.]

Because it isn't fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>12255814
I do them last thing in the morning, before going to sleep.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12273987
What's your short term goal with japanese? Manga? Newspapers? Do whatever you're aiming for.
For me it was visual novels and I went from studying 2-3 hours a day for 10 hours a day because it was actually interesting to me.

That said moege are kind of a necessary evil for reading comprehension in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12266876

You have to make it a habit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12268566
To point out how infrequent the study occurs. That's sort of the whole point, to call oneself lazy.
It's much easier to guess from start date to current date than actually clock every minute studying anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12275413
Why would the program not track that for you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12275484

9,840 more hours of study and you can call yourself a japanese expert

[Anonymous No.]

>>12275484
Why would you only count the time spent in one program?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12260106
說你妹的中文

[Anonymous No.]

1/4 done. How to keep myself motivated?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12280910

Drugs, sugar, caffeine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12260106
>>12280253
死ね

[Anonymous No.]

>>12269886
Anon, I give you Valkyria Chronicles, the best strategy game on the PS3, one of the best squad-based strategy games ever and one of my personal top 10 favourite games of all time.

It follows the story of Squad 7 of the Gallian militia, as they fight to save their homeland from invasion in a fantasy-world version of WW2. Every one of your soldiers has their own likes, dislikes, looks, backstory and voice acting. The story is well-handled, for the vast majority of the game; it addresses issues such as losing friends and loved ones in battle and the horrors of concentration camps and is one of the few games to actually make me cry. In addition to this, it also follows the relationships, friendship and love that is fostered by the bonds of the squad and has a few humorous moments to vary up the mood somewhat, although in my personal opinion, these are the weakest parts of the game.

It has two sequels on the PSP, only the first of which has been translated into English. There was also an anime, but much like Valkyria Chronicles 2, it was widely agreed to be a serious disappointment, by fans of the series.

Enjoy!

[Anonymous No.]

>>12282537
Attanigga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12282841

I think it would have benefited from a harder difficulty for the story mode, to make it more brutal like X-COM.

It was only near the end that I started getting deaths.

[Anonymous No.]

How much can you read at JLPT N4? N3?

[Anonymous No.]

What does /jp/ think of WaniKani?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12284578
Without help? Maybe some children's manga at N3. At N2 you can more or less read most moege if you have a dictionary.