Chen is behind the times

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Anonymous Sat Jun 21 00:54:16 2014 No.12211923 [Reply] [Original]

Chen is behind the times

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 01:09:04 2014 No.12211949 Gensokyo is behind the times

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 01:09:57 2014 No.12211954 BEHIND THE TIMES! BEHIND THE TIMES! CHEN THE CAT! BEHIND THE TIMES!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 01:10:34 2014 No.12211956 >>12211949 Gensokyo is behind the times, but the times Gensokyo is behind are ahead of our times. So it's all okay.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 01:11:50 2014 No.12211962 >>12211956 Dude what the heck

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 01:13:05 2014 No.12211968 >>12211956 No it's not okay. That doesn't even make any sense.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 01:16:28 2014 No.12211980 >>12211956 This is some deep shit right here, bros. My mind just went places.

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 01:36:05 2014 No.12212013

>>12211956
No

Let's say we have "Fashion Trend A", and Gensokyo is behind the times on A.

If Gensokyo is behind the times on terms of A, that must mean that the real world is NOT behind the times in terms of A, otherwise it wouldn't make sense to say that Gensokyo is "behind the times".

Therefore, if A doesn't exist in Gensokyo, it must exist in the real world in order for Gensokyo to be "behind the times", and so Gensokyo can not possibly be ahead of the real world in terms of A.

QED

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 01:37:41 2014 No.12212016 File: 835 KB, 280x189, 83c65c1b-1781-4dcc-af30-713f9bbdb.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12212013

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 01:42:19 2014 No.12212027

>>12212013
No

That guy was saying Gensokyo is behind some future time's standard of "the times", not the present. In that scenario, Gensokyo may still be ahead of the present "times", which that guy elegantly summarized as "So it's all okay".

It was a perfectly logical set of statements.

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 01:43:39 2014 No.12212029

>>12212013
In a system only containing Gensokyo and the Real World, that would be correct. However, the system contains more than that (consider the Outside). Furthermore, you have only proven, in this limited system, that ``Gensokyo can not possibly be ahead of the real world in terms of A.'' if ``Gensokyo is behind the times on A''. This is orthogonal to the original claim.

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 01:51:36 2014 No.12212041

>>12212027
He said this:
>>but the times Gensokyo is behind are ahead of our times

This is basically saying: "If Gensokyo is behind the real world in terms of A, then the real world is behind Gensokyo in terms of A" which is an obvious logical inconsistency. It's like saying if you are standing in a line and two people can be standing behind each other at the same time, which is impossible.

I don't understand what you mean by "future time's standard", could you elaborate on that?

>>12212029
In the original claim, the poster only makes reference to Gensokyo and "our times", which I assume refers to the real world, so I think that in this case, the only entities in this system are Gensokyo and the Real world.

The original claim was essentially that Gensokyo and the Real world could both be behind the times on the same topic at the same time, which is impossible. See above, "It's like saying if you are standing in a line and two people can be standing behind each other at the same time, which is impossible."
I don't see how this is orthogonal to the original claim, I thought it explains the issues with the original claim.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 01:51:38 2014 No.12212043 I AM THE TIMELORD!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 01:52:43 2014 No.12212046 I love you, /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 01:53:03 2014 No.12212047 >>12212041 >I think that in this case, the only entities in this system are Gensokyo and the Real world This is a false assumption.

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 01:55:37 2014 No.12212052

>>12212047
It isn't.

>>Gensokyo is behind the times, but the times Gensokyo is behind are ahead of our times. So it's all okay.

"Our times" should refer strictly to the times of the Real World, otherwise this is an exercise in futility.

So, that guy is saying "Gensokyo is behind on A (in relation to the Real World), but at the same time, Gensokyo is ahead on A (in relation to the Real World) which is impossible.

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 01:56:20 2014 No.12212057

>>12212041
>The original claim was essentially that Gensokyo and the Real world could both be behind the times on the same topic at the same time
No, it's not. There are three times clearly referred to in the post. "Our times", "Gensokyo's times", "The times that Gensokyo's times are behind". Why would you arbitrarily equate two of them?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:01:10 2014 No.12212069 >>12212052 You're dumb and your butt is farts.

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:01:32 2014 No.12212072

>>12212057
The original statement was quite unclear.

>>Gensokyo is behind the times
>>the times Gensokyo is behind are ahead of our times

I assumed that the times referred to in "behind the times" and "the times Gensokyo is behind" refer to the same times (times of the Real World).

If I didn't understand properly, and they don't refer to the same times, then the statement is a vacuous triviality which does not make any claim worth discussing to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:03:58 2014 No.12212082 File: 323 KB, 990x1400, 1394117742709.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Whoa.. This thread is like, far out gnarly, man! I'm in the ZONE right now just from analyzing this!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:04:08 2014 No.12212083 >>12212072 >I assumed that the times referred to in "behind the times" and "the times Gensokyo is behind" refer to the same times (times of the Real World) Well, that's why you're wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:07:10 2014 No.12212093 >>12212082 You're funny, hippie lady.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:08:04 2014 No.12212095 File: 1.76 MB, 1244x1705, God the Geometer.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] when are the Jesuits going to make it to Gensokyo then Roman Catholicism can be added to the pot of religious turmoil

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:09:14 2014 No.12212097 File: 464 KB, 1240x1754, 1389127138834.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12212095 Perhaps they already did?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:09:36 2014 No.12212098 >>12212095 I believe we will see christians when the majority of the world become atheist.

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:10:55 2014 No.12212102

>>12212041
The original post said
>the times Gensokyo is behind are ahead of our times

The key here is that he used the term "the times", which is a different construct than "the real world" that you refer to. "The times" is a general term that encapsulates a state of "the real world", assumed to be the present, but not necessarily only the present. You're misconstruing that poster's argument by assuming he uses that term to simply represent the present real world.

>I don't understand what you mean by "future time's standard", could you elaborate on that?

Consider the difference between "the times" of today versus "the times" of yesterday. Each represents the state of things in "the real world" but at a different temporal locus. By "future time's standard", I was trying to describe the "the times" as they are defined at some future ambiguous date.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:12:00 2014 No.12212106 Why are you nerds arguing about nothing?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:12:18 2014 No.12212108 >>12212106 Why did you post this?

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:12:56 2014 No.12212109

>>12212098
that won't be in our lifetime

even in Japan and most of Europe most people aren't atheists, they're just secular agnostics

real atheists, the secular materialist kind, are a minority

>>12212097
nah she's a Messianic Jew not a Roman Catholic

see the Stars of David?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:15:01 2014 No.12212116 >>12212109 Jesus was a messianic Jew

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:16:09 2014 No.12212120 >>12212116 in the same way that Buddha was a Hindu, yeah I guess

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:16:56 2014 No.12212122

>>12212102
>but not necessarily only the present
No, "the times" has to refer to ONLY the current state of the world.
"Yesterday's times" refers to past states of the world, whereas "Tomorrow's times refers to future states of the world."

>assuming he uses that term to simply represent the present real world
If he isn't simply trying to represent the current world with "the times", then what is he trying to say?

>Consider the difference between "the times" of today versus "the times" of yesterday. Each represents the state of things in "the real world" but at a different temporal locus. By "future time's standard", I was trying to describe the "the times" as they are defined at some future ambiguous date.
I see what you are trying to say, but the guy was only referring to "the times", which can't mean anything other than "the present state of the world"

"Gensokyo's present fashion state is behind the Real World's present fashion state, but the Real World's present fashion state is behind Gensokyo's present fashion state"
It just doesn't make any sense

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:17:57 2014 No.12212126 >>12212109 Fair enough. Messianic Judaism might be close enough to stand in for generic Christianity though, perhaps?

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:22:49 2014 No.12212134

>>12212122
Stop intentionally misreading it. You're blending "The times Gensokyo is behind" into either "our times" or "Gensokyo's times", which is not the original intent in either case.

Look. You misread the statement and the misreading was pointed out. You don't have to keep cluttering up this thread.

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:27:45 2014 No.12212139

>>12212134
I am 100% sure that I'm correct, and that the original statement is properly interpreted only with my own analysis.

>cluttering up this thread
If a thread's life can be compared to the life of a human, then my side of the discussion has helped the thread to become the perfect person.
The only clutter in this thread is from your own misguided conclusions, and I'll also clutter your anus with my spooge.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:30:02 2014 No.12212143 I wonder if this is what OP had envisioned for this thread.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:35:33 2014 No.12212156 File: 364 KB, 1000x629, ba9a634d4a0c2d35e4c3e9ecb2edafda.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12212143 I'm still here. It wasn't, but that's why I love /jp/. You guys are always full of surprises.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:43:00 2014 No.12212174 >>12212156 I've got a surprise for you. Boo!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:43:29 2014 No.12212175 >>12212174 Ah!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:44:58 2014 No.12212181 >>12212156 Surprise this! made you look.

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:48:25 2014 No.12212193

there's like a commune of messianic Jews/new age whatever who run a coffee shop in a town near my home

a lesbian hipster girl I knew from college used to go there until she learned in the religious studies class we had together that they were not all that gay friendly

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:50:37 2014 No.12212194 >>12212193 How exactly does this contribute towards my personal gratification?

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:52:33 2014 No.12212199

>>12212122
Ah, I see where we differ in our interpretations now.

The final piece of this puzzle is how we each interpret the original poster's use of the terms "behind" and "ahead" and what each refers to.

>Gensokyo is behind the times

The first instance of the poster's use of "behind" is simply used to indicate that Gensokyo is "behind the times", or less "fashionable" than some instance of "the times".

Most would assume the poster is referring to the present instance of "the times", but the poster is not. This only becomes apparent when one uses a particular interpretation of the next section of the poster's argument.

>but the times Gensokyo is behind are ahead of our times

Before we tackle this section, I'd like to break it apart a bit more:

>but the times Gensokyo is behind

The first sub-section here refers to "the times" we defined in the first section, namely "the times" that Gensokyo is less "fashionable" than

>are ahead
>of our times

Here, I believe, is where the crux of our different interpretations lies.

The interpretation that I arrived at for this sub-section (and that others apparently arrived at as well) is that "the times" of the first sub-section is situated ahead of (or temporally after) "our times", that is, the present day instance of "the times".

This is arguably a confusing, or at least a convoluted way to construct this idea, but I believe that presenting his or her argument in a convoluted manner was the intent of the original poster all along, likely for both comedic effect as well as to give some challenge to those attempting to interpret his or her argument.

The poster was also careful to use the different term "OUR times" (as opposed to just "the times") to help the reader to understand that he or she was including some sort of temporal comparison in this section.

Cont...

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:53:35 2014 No.12212201

>>12212199
Cont...

Regardless, with the temporal placement defined in this sub-section (that "the times" that Gensokyo is behind is temporally ahead of the present day instance of "the times"), I hope the rest of my interpretation of the poster's argument becomes clear and that you're able to see the argument's logical consistency despite its ambiguous use of terms.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:53:49 2014 No.12212202 >>12212199 Holy shit, this dude is going massive turbo nerd. These walls of text will be epic, brace yourselves!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:55:29 2014 No.12212205 File: 9 KB, 972x333, times.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] you guys are stupid

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:56:45 2014 No.12212208 >>12212205 That's a pretty cute Chen, dude.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 02:57:17 2014 No.12212211 >>12212205 it's so simple >>12212194 my life is so interesting and I know you love to hear about it

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 03:03:16 2014 No.12212220 >>12212205 This is why /jp/ can't into time-based anything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 03:05:30 2014 No.12212224 File: 583 KB, 775x610, 17aaeca0bb0002a80d06d42d5f100603.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12212208 thanks, glad you liked it >>12212220 you're being pretty silly man. take it easy

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 03:05:40 2014 No.12212226
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You guys, the joke is that that Chen has 2013 glasses on and it's 2014. That's why she's behind the times. I never meant for any of this to happen. I'm so sorry.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 03:06:48 2014 No.12212227 >>12212224 You're right. I should take it easy. Do you have a take it easy pic that can help me take it easy?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 03:10:12 2014 No.12212232 File: 108 KB, 660x330, E2fcf6e779b0075bd00a1468fd1278e7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12212227 easiest i have that contains the chen

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 03:11:52 2014 No.12212234 >>12212232 Thx I feel easier now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 03:13:52 2014 No.12212238 >>12212234 they're squished into bean paste in the next picture in that series you must feel uneasy knowing that right

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 03:17:28 2014 No.12212245
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>>12212234
allow the easy into you. it will wash away your worldly concerns and you will truly take it easy. only by taking it easy can peace be attained (sorry no chen this time)

>>12212238
briefly, i did. but it doesn't matter what the next picture is since i can take it easy to that picture and that picture alone

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 03:19:35 2014 No.12212247 >>12212245 Well I was lying. But that must make you feel uneasy too, knowing that such treacherous people are posting here on /jp/ right now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 03:20:09 2014 No.12212248 >>12212238 I'm a bit less easier than I was, but the ease I'm less than is greater than ease I started with. So it's all okay.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 03:20:42 2014 No.12212250 >>12212205 I like your drawing, but this is an incorrect interpretation of the original statement.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 03:21:17 2014 No.12212252 >>12212250 No. No more.

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 03:25:00 2014 No.12212258
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>>12212247
nah. it's just an imageboard, you know? just talking with you guys makes me feel easy whether you lie or not. i guess that's sorta sad but who cares, i feel easy

>>12212250
come and warmly take it easy with us

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 03:28:15 2014 No.12212262 >>12212258 >nah. it's just an imageboard, you know? Your false sense of security makes my many insidious deceptions so much easier!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 03:29:59 2014 No.12212265 File: 93 KB, 531x600, 1397633440750.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12212262 >easier we're making progress!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 03:30:49 2014 No.12212267 >>12212262 I think you're the one that's been tricked. You just admitted to feeling easier.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 03:50:38 2014 No.12212293 feelio when cant take it easy

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 03:54:48 2014 No.12212301 File: 24 KB, 500x500, 1392934814427.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12212293 i'm sure you'll be able to sometime, anon. if you want to talk about it that's okay too

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 04:04:52 2014 No.12212312

>>12212301
I am burdened with the stress of college now, and burdened by thoughts of the future. I will have to move out, get a job, and live on my own in a few years.

I wish I could just drop all my commitments and become NEET, but there is no way I would want to put my parents through that.

My dream is to retire early and spend the rest of my days in NEET bliss, but that won't happen anytime soon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 04:08:55 2014 No.12212319 >>12212312 When you say NEET, what exactly do you want to do as a NEET? In other words, what is it exactly that gets you excited about living as a NEET?

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 04:12:43 2014 No.12212328
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>>12212312
don't worry about moving out and getting a job right now. that's far off and you can deal with it when it happens, so don't worry about it now.

remember that if you become NEET you may not be able to take it easy due to the effects on your parents. sometimes taking it easy must wait.

one thing you can try is to set aside 30-60min a day as your easy time. lie on your bed, put on some relaxing music, and just think. about what doesn't really matter. it might help you feel less tense

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 04:13:40 2014 No.12212331 >>12212312 >stress of college If you're stressing your way through college, something is wrong. Especially if you're an engineer, university projects are fun as shit. I've been taking it easy all summer programming a flight simulator room.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 04:15:29 2014 No.12212334 >>12212331 Believe it or not, but not everyone's experiences and perspective are the same as yours.

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 04:17:58 2014 No.12212339

>>12212319
>what is it exactly that gets you excited about living as a NEET?
There would be no commitments. I could wake up in the morning, do exactly anything I want with my day, and sleep fulfilled because I did with my day exactly what I wanted without anyone else's needs dictating how I should spend my time. I understand how selfish this sounds, but I really want to spend the little time I have on earth on myself.

>>12212328
That's true; my parents would certainly affect my lifestyle that way.
I'll try my best to put some time aside for myself, thanks. I'm taking summer classes right now and everything is really fast-paced, but I'm trying my best to pull through.

>>12212331
I'm currently taking a general-requirements classes at a community college. They aren't too difficult, but I'm really stressed out about maintaining a perfect 4.0 so I can guarantee a transfer to a larger university. I want to major in Computer Science, and I really enjoy the field, so I hope I will have a nicer time after finishing all these terrible humanities requirements.

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 04:19:01 2014 No.12212341

>>12212319
Not him, but as a truNEET, the sole fact of being able to wake up and immediately do whatever I feel like doing without any stress, and being able to go to bed while knowing that I will be able to spend the following day in freedom, makes me happy.

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 04:19:44 2014 No.12212342 [DELETED]

I hate living.
I don't have any hobbies, interests, or goals anymore.
I've never had a friend in my entire life.
I don't want a friend though, I hate people so much.
Working my shitty cashier job is so tedious, I hate having to ask normies how their day is. I can't maintain eye contact with people also.
I want to quit my job, but my dad will probably beat the shit out of me.
I wish I was invisible, I hate being around people.
I don't like video games anymore, when I look back at all the time I wasted playing World of Warcraft I want to die. I never even joined a single guild, I don't even have friends on video games.
Occasionally I buy a video game, play it for 10 minutes, regret buying, and never play it again.
After I stoppled playing WoW I watched anime for years, but I can't even watch a single episode anymore without dying of boredom.
I've been following idols for awhile, but it's such a futile hobby that makes me upset on a regular basis. They're real people, and the illusion is constantly broken. If only there were some idols with truNEET personalities, weren't very lewd, were cute and funny, and would never change or age.
Uwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
I can't even watch porn anymore. It just pisses me off, and I don't get aroused at all. It's grotesque.
Why was I born.
Why am I shit blog posting on /jp/

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 04:26:21 2014 No.12212351

>>12212339
>Computer Science
I'm sure the major is similar to my experience in any reasonable school, so I'm going to go ahead and say that going to a community college and transferring to a university for the purpose of being any STEM major is likely a bad idea; you come in with a shit ton of units and are there longer than anyone else.
The problem is that STEM tends to have a lot of lower division classes that double count for GEs because they need to take so many classes. You have all these GEs once you transfer, but you still have to take from your perspective, a bunch of worthless cruft classes anyways, assuming you can't skip them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 04:28:54 2014 No.12212352 >>12212334 Not many people seem to enjoy going out and working with their university. Seems the part they struggle most with is the actual "going out" part.

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 04:31:42 2014 No.12212357

>>12212351
>lower division classes that double count for GEs
The uni I'm looking at doesn't have any such courses that double-count.
I will be transferring in with a lot of credits, and I'll take classes slowly so I'll be there for a while. I'm hoping to get internships later to help pay my way through uni though.

Do you have any experience with getting internships or jobs while in college?

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 04:33:52 2014 No.12212364

>>12212351
I dropped my engineering major because I'm a lazy retard and couldn't stay motivated enough to do the two semesters of BS introductory classes. This fall I start at a technical school and I can hardly wait. 4/5 of my classes actually have something to do with the major and they're even hands-on. I'm a little embarassed to be going into a field which growing up I always thought was for stupid people, but it's interesting and it's better than wasting more of my parents' cash on engineering classes I'd fail anyways.

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 04:37:42 2014 No.12212372

>>12212357
Turns out that it's illegal for professors to say "These are the best students in our department" to prospective companies. They can only say "These are the students of our department."
They try to keep it as "fair and balanced as possible", I guess. Makes no sense to me though.
On some types of uni projects you might get lucky and meet with someone working at some company. Boosts your chances of getting in. Not a lot are like that though.

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 04:40:12 2014 No.12212379

>>12212372
I see, that's interesting, thanks.

>uni projects
Do you mean regular projects that are done in normal classes, or projects done in special classes?
I haven't looked too deeply into it, but my uni offers some CS "research" classes as electives.
Would you think those would be important for getting an internship later on?

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 04:43:14 2014 No.12212383

>>12212379
From my understanding, my uni is a bit special in that it's more project based than research based, and the class schedule reflects that. Others, like Berkeley, are more research based.
However, the kinds I'm referring to are extracurriculars. You come in on your own time and work with a bunch of random guys you'll get to know for the next few years and you build stuff that the department gets told by bighuge companies to build, or compete with other universities.
As you might guess, the job opportunities are with the bighuge company projects.

Anonymous Sat Jun 21 04:49:28 2014 No.12212400

>>12212383
Extracurriculars where you get to work on company projects while getting to make contacts that will help you find work later on? That sounds very helpful, I'll certainly inquire about that after I transfer.

One more thing:
How do you guys improve your social skills? I spend most of my time cooped up in my house, and I only leave to go to class or church. I have barely any friends, and I haven't had a non-school-related conversation with anyone other than my parents in a few months.

Are there any good books or tutorials to help figure out how to act normally around other people?
Getting through uni with good grades is one thing, but bungling every interview/opportunity because of lackluster social skills would be terrible.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 04:53:45 2014 No.12212407 >>12212400 Try /int/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 21 14:40:14 2014 No.12213183 >>12211956 So, kinda like Cynic? Even in 1994, their music was 30 years ahead of their time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 22 01:53:59 2014 No.12214279 >>12212013 "the times" cannot be assumed as "our times". He's basically saying Gensokyo is possibly at the same time as ours.

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