/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Hey /jp/
I've been very interested in light novels for a few years, mostly because of the informal and narrative format.
In Japan, I guess there is a large market for that kind of thing, but is there anything like that in the USA? I always wanted to be a writer, and I figure with something very informal like a light novel, I can get some experience.

So, should I fly off to glorious nippon to sell my gaijin-tales or is there something similar in America that I can capitalize on.

If /jp/ isn't the right place to post this, please sage me and I will kill myself tonight.

[Anonymous No.]

please respond

[Anonymous No.]

>>12177875
>informal
And by informal I suppose you mean "anime garbage in book form", right?

Learn to draw and "write" touhou doujins instead.

Pic related. It's touhou doujin prose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12177949
By informal I mean more simple sentence structure, and they tend to follow a narrative rather than going into abstract concepts and 2deep4u nonsense like full-fledged novels.

Also, they're shorter.

[Anonymous No.]

Light novels are garbage
it is not possible to enjoy retarded fanfiction level books
del

[Anonymous No.]

Look at me i'm a gaijin lol

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>>12177959
You have no fucking clue what a light novel is holy shit lol.

[Anonymous No.]

I always presumed light novels were relatable to kids books like Goosebumps.
Since I thought they were made for young teens.

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>>12178482
How the fuck does that make them relatable? Goosebumps books aren't novels, and they're not aimed at young teens. A better example would be something like Harry Potter or Twilight.

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>>12178436
That's exactly what it is, by definition, fuckwit. They are that way so they are targeted to younger audiences. How can you be so stupid?

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>>12178714
Let's break that post apart.
>simple sentence structure
False. Light novels don't follow a specific pattern as far as sentences go. They can be short, long, whatever, and there are no rules as far as complexity of grammar goes.
>they tend to follow a narrative rather than going into abstract concepts and 2deep4u nonsense like full-fledged novels.
This is a retarded thing to say because most "full-fledged" novels don't do this. And in any case it's not true, since plenty of LNs make up a bunch of inane abstract bullshit as part of their setting or the author waxes philosophical for pages and pages trying to sound intellectual.
>Also, they're shorter.
No, you fucking dumbass, for the last FUCKING time "light" novel is not meant literally. 90% of LNs are 300-400 pages, just like 90% of regular Japanese novels.

The only things that separate light novels from regular novels is their total connection to otaku culture and the fact that they have anime illustrations in them most of the time. Things like lolis and tsunderes and student councils and other childish garbage you don't find in most normal novels is pretty much the norm in LNs. The main audience for LNs is the ages 16-25 dumb faggot beta nerd audience, just like all other otaku media.

You don't know jack shit, you retarded subhuman. It's like you've never read a book in your life.

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>>12179352
>and other childish garbage
Please don't hurt my feelers like this.

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>>12179352
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_novel
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=A0LEVjTXfJNTbyYA0pMPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByNzA1YWV1BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDOQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--?qid=20081024072131AAOWFQj
http://www.ehow.com/info_8712066_difference-graphic-novels-light-novels.html
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=86089
http://ranobecafe.wordpress.com/2009/07/26/what-exactly-is-a-light-novel/
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LightNovels

Here's some reading. It may help you be less of a fucking retard.

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>>12179437
There's a group of badly misinformed people who make those webpages. They don't know what light novels are.

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>>12179437
The English Wikipedia article on LNs is complete shit. Read the Japanese one, it's a little closer to the truth (but not much closer).
>https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=A0LEVjTXfJNTbyYA0pMPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByNzA1YWV1BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDOQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--?qid=20081024072131AAOWFQj
>A light novel is one that is a fictional book without deep themes, that is to be read strictly for enjoyment, such as your typical romance, mystery or sci fi book. It requires little thought or analysis.
I'm not denying this.
>http://www.ehow.com/info_8712066_difference-graphic-novels-light-novels.html
This article is loaded to the brim with misinformation. I doubt the author has read an LN (or any kind of book, for that matter) in their life.
>http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=86089
lmao, the first response is the English Wikipedia article.
>It's not all frivolous stuff. Light Novels such as "Kino no Tabi" and "Ballad of a Shinigami" can be quite deep, and in some cases, literary.
Kek, get a load of this fag. Anyway, I don't see anyone else in that thread supporting your argument, bub, and it's not like you want to be using the testimonials of the subhuman EOPs on animesuki as evidence for your claims.
>http://ranobecafe.wordpress.com/2009/07/26/what-exactly-is-a-light-novel/
>In conclusion, it could be said that Light Novels do not in fact have a solid definition at all.
I rest my case. Thanks, weeb blogger.

I don't think I even need to tell you how retarded it is to list tvtropes as a reference. No one there knows Japanese, and no one there has read a light novel except for the poorly-translated scraps on Baka-Tsuki.

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>>12179476
>>12179479
>those sources don't count because I say so
Alright faggots, stay deluded I guess. But at the end of the day, neither of you know what a light novel is, so please don't act like you do

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>>12179488
No, you're the one who doesn't know what a light novel is. The first step is admitting that you were wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12179493
If that's the first step, I suggest you take it.

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>>12179479
Why do you care so much about otaku stuff if you consider it childish?

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>>12179488
I've passed JLPT N1, have read 150+ LNs, and have spent hours on 2ch's LN board shitposting about them. You have never accomplished anything in your life except losing your anal virginity. I'm pretty sure I what I say about LNs carries a fuck of a lot more weight than anything you or EOPs on anime forums say about them.

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>>12179437
Read some LNs and then you'll realise that your links are mostly bullshit.

This nerd >>12179352 gets it.
"Anime in form of books" is probably the most defining trait of light novels.

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>>12179503
Yeah, because those "accomplishments" have something to do with the definition of a light novel, right?

I'd argue that the main accomplishment in your post is that you've sunk hundreds of hours into something without even knowing what it is.

>>12179506
I've read plently, and they all follow the same informal pattern. That's exactly why they're popular among youth. But let me go ahead and stop you, because I know your next argument is going to be "b-but those light novels don't count" and then cherrypick some 2deep4u garbage. Light novels as a genre follow a narrative, informal format driven more by dialogue than by abstract literary concepts, and are generally much shorter than full-fledged novels. These are facts.

[Anonymous No.]

Someone here hasn't read Qualia.

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>>12179522
You aren't allowed to have an opinion on this subject. Come back when you've learned Japanese and read several dozen light novels in their original language.

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>>12179531
Yeah, you just confirmed that you can't think of any counterpoints. It was fun while it lasted, try again later when you can form an argument

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Hahahahah oh god this guy has probably read almost all baka tsuki translations and thought he knew anything about LNs

[Anonymous No.]

>>12179522
all novels follow some form of narrative. a novel doesn't necessarily imply literary fiction with deep thematic content. you seem to have your terms confused.

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>>12179522
>Light novels as a genre follow a narrative, informal format driven more by dialogue than by abstract literary concepts
How is this a characteristic of light novels? Most novels are driven by dialogue and don't require more than a 5th grade education to understand.
>are generally much shorter than full-fledged novels
Let's take a look at Dengeki Bunko's releases for this month.
>Index New Testament 10, 408 pages
>Hataraku Maou-sama 11, 312 pages
>Yagate Maken no Alisbel, 264 pages
>Ero Manga Sensei 2, 344 pages
Now let's look at Kodansha Bunko's (the most normalfag label in Japanese publishing) releases for this month.
>Rubber Soul, 686 pages
>Meshimori Samurai, 316 pages
>The Park on the Other Side, 312 pages
>Femme Ares 1, 278 pages
How can you call this a significant difference? If you want to scream cherrypicking, go ahead and do it yourself. Look up the label websites and their June releases.
>These are facts.
Nice job being a hypocrite. "These things are right because I say so lol."

[Anonymous No.]

>>12179567
More like
>these things are right because they are generally true and are widely accepted as fact

[Anonymous No.]

>>12179535
>tend to follow a narrative rather than going into abstract concepts and 2deep4u nonsense like full-fledged novels
What are your favorite novels? Or do you have any particular representatives in mind?

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>>12177959
>tend to follow a narrative rather than going into abstract concepts and 2deep4u nonsense like full-fledged novels
What are your favorite novels? Or do you have any particular representatives in mind?

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>>12179535
There's nothing fun or interesting about trying to argue with someone who learned everything he knows from Wikipedia.

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>>12177875
You mean you want to write books in Simple English or what? Because I'm not sure how you can write an English novel that only uses basic kanji. Unless you wanted to release a Japanese-language book and only sell it in the US?

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>>12177959
Yeah, but the narratives end up turning to shit two or three volumes in at most.

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>>12178482
Maybe a little more mature, but not by a lot. I think they're more comparable to young adult fiction. A lot of the plot structures overlap.

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