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How much does this offend you?

>> No.12152250
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very if I find this 3DPD shit in my deck

>> No.12152261

>>12152250
So you support hitler and her conquest to defeat wizard stalin?

Fucking disgusting.

>> No.12152274

I think using kickstarter to translate stuff isn't that bad.
Kind of like sharing commission costs.

>> No.12152310

>>12152274
I don't think they're translating anything because the Japanese company already has translations up on their website.

http://www.arclight.co.jp/ag/br/index.php?page=english&id=01

I think they're just distributors.

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>>12152246
>How much does this offend you?

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>>12152246
How much does this offend you?

>> No.12152374

only bitches get offended

>> No.12152384

how do I buy?

>> No.12152392

>>12152246
The people who might get offended by this barely know how to use computers.

>> No.12152392,1 [INTERNAL] 

>>12152332
>>12152335
Epic, simply epic.

>> No.12152421
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>>12152246
half of my grandmother's brothers died fighting nazi fucking jerryscum shitstains.

so i am pretty mad.

on the other hand my grandfather fucked a lot of nip into meatpaste with his heavy artillery battery, when he was fighting in manchurian encirclement.

>> No.12152423

I don't like communists.

>> No.12152424

>>12152392
really, fucker? this is why russia is the capital of piracy, right?

>> No.12152445

This sums it up

http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-reasons-this-one-kickstarter-proves-humanity-doomed/

>> No.12152469

>>12152250

wow gross

>> No.12152482

>>12152445
lol japan so wierd

>> No.12152510

>>12152421
why are you mad over dead people you don't even know

>> No.12152527

>>12152445
Oh man, thank you so much for that link. I just love watching people pretend to be upset over trivial, stupid things but I can't afford the $10 for SA, so you've really helped me out here.

>> No.12152528

>>12152445
The columnist is too stupid to realize it's just (likely illegally obtained) bitcoin funds being dumped and not people actually donating their paychecks? In 2014? Really?

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>>12152510
imagine if someone killed your grandpa or uncle, how mad would you be?

>> No.12152537

>>12152531
Did you know your grandmother's brothers? It's not the same.

>> No.12152538

>>12152537
>Did you know your grandmother's brothers?

I did.

>> No.12152540

>>12152538
i understand now, carry on

>> No.12152545

My grandfather killed and was killed by these people

>> No.12152548

>>12152246
Why should it offend me americunt?

>> No.12152549

>>12152545
Actually he was killed by his planes engine exploding out of nowhere during flight. But still.

>> No.12152554

I'm not offended, but I think that these cards are a fucking stupid idea

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>>12152261
>So you support hitler
Fuck of

>> No.12152588

>>12152540
This guy must be pretty old to have personally known people who died in WW2 though! He might be the oldest /jp/er!

Anyway it's stupid to be upset over this, it's the same thing as being mad over Kan Colle or rape jokes. No one who didn't light their house on fire in response to the Iraq War has no moral footing anyway. Why try to ignore the nihilism and apathy washing over you and the entire globe with some fake outrage encouraged by Cracked.com and two SA forum goons?

When I look at the world right now I'm not even sure the outcome of WW2 was the just thing, so much less I'd be bothered by some silly card game.

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While reading this thread I had to double check that I was on /jp/. Actually, I had to double check that I was on the internet.

>> No.12152691

>>12152246
Polish German here, I am not offended 0/10.
2D girls are the symbol for love and peace.

>> No.12152694

buttmad commies ITT

>> No.12152718

German here, I'm definetly gonna buy it.
I've always wanted to play as Hitler.

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>>12152691

>Polish German

>> No.12152729

>>12152718
How did you learn moon?

>> No.12152734

>>12152729
There is no need for any other language as long as you speak german

>> No.12152736

>>12152734
Und was, wenn ich schon deutsch sprechen kann?

>> No.12152741

>>12152736
You are hired.

>> No.12152743

>>12152741
Arigato

>> No.12153487

Is it true this was unsuccessful in Japan or is that something Cracked made up?

>> No.12153555

not at all because I'm not a perma-butthurt slavshit scouring the internet looking for things to be mad about like most Russians

>> No.12153779

>>12152728
was ist los, Jens? Sauer?

>> No.12153794

>>12152645
Sometimes my computer funposts by itself too.

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>>12152246

A shitload because it's a WW2 game without Winland.

>> No.12153859

>>12153555

Russians just haven't quite come to terms with the fact that Stalin was objectively evil.

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>lewd engineer

>> No.12153867

>>12152445

Cracked still exists? I thought everybody gave up on it when Seanbaby stopped writing.

>> No.12153885

This game is too lewd and I'd rather play as the allies.

>> No.12153892

in 100 years world war 2 will be a fairy tale

>> No.12153894

>>12152445
>THAT is probably the only point that may be worth mention: How does games like this get support so fast while real, emergency-solving pledges get little to no support? THAT is probably the only issue valid here.

>> No.12153896

>>12153894

It's almost as if people value their personal entertainment higher than the concerns of strangers half the world away.

>> No.12155917

>>12152445
I couldn't stop laughing for the entire article.

>> No.12155962

>>12155917
Were you laughing with the author, or at him?

>> No.12156119

>>12152445
>a softcore Nazi anime porn card game
Sounds like a legit genre.

Thank you, this thing is beautiful. Can't stop laughing

>> No.12156152

>>12155962
at him

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>>12153892

>> No.12156423

>>12155962
I'm not sure what you mean, to be honest.

>> No.12156435

>>12153892
It already is. Most American people believe their army were the primary force behind the Nazi defeat or that the nuclear bombs were needed to prevent the killing of more American soldiers.

Most don't even know about the offer to surrender the nips did two weeks before Hiroshima - offer that was refused by Truman. All in the archive.

>> No.12156445

>>12156435
>or that the nuclear bombs were needed to prevent the killing of more American soldiers.
That's because most likely they were. The US couldn't have counted on Russia to defeat the Japanese for them; they were not at war until after Fat Man was dropped.

>Most don't even know about the offer to surrender the nips did two weeks before Hiroshima - offer that was refused by Truman. All in the archive.
Source on this? The sources I have only say the Japanese never replied to the Potsdam declaration until their eventual surrender. Not to mention it wouldn't make sense - why needlessly slaughter ~150,000 people (and considering a high-casualty land invasion) if you could just accept surrender? Unless they were offering white peace or something, in which case it makes sense the US wouldn't accept it.

>> No.12156455

>>12156161
why a zebra

is the first panel supposed to be montgomery defeating rommel in africa or something?

>> No.12156491

>>12156445

Japan offered conditional peace. America wanted unconditional.

>> No.12156511

>>12152384
how
do
i
buy
?

>> No.12156589

that the art is not consistent aggravates my autism

also it being fucking cards and not an SRPG

>> No.12156674

>>12153894
He forgot to say 'problematic'

>> No.12156807

>>12156445
>That's because most likely they were.
Nah. For Japan the bombs were an afterthought when compared to the shock of the Soviet war declaration. Japan's only hope of a avoiding an unconditional surrender was completely pinned on Soviet neutrality. They knew that in order to get any terms at all they'd need either Soviet mediation or to make the invasion costly enough to bring America to the bargaining table. But once the Soviets declared war, both of these were impossible. Mediation was obviously right out and the second plan, which they knew was already a long shot, fell apart too. While Japan might've been able to fortify herself enough to draw out a war with one superpower, two was out of the question. The situation became completely untenable and they realized there was no point in continuing.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki would've been necessary for a Japanese unconditional surrender only if the Soviets remained neutral to begin with. And even then, I'm not entirely convinced that the Japanese command would've considered the bombs to be a big enough threat to go ahead and abandon their plans.

>> No.12156874

Welcome to America
Where nobody gives a fuck but everyone is offended.

US will never be free until I can hold up a sign saying US ARMED FORCES = EVIL, FUCK THE TROOPS without being assaulted by a veteran or some cop.

>> No.12156878

>>12156874
the constitution protects you in court, not on the sidewalk

>> No.12156881

>>12156874
You could probably get away with it on a college campus.

>> No.12156885

>>12156878
Exactly. AmeriKKKa is free only on paper, rarely in real life. Revolution is the only recourse

>> No.12156888

>>12156885
I should have said "the constitution--like all laws--protect you in court, not on the sidewalk"

I'm sorry that we don't have a department of Precrime to save you from getting a black eye

>> No.12156897

>>12156888
This is just a symptom of the oppressive ameriKKKan regime sniffing out dissenting voices that do not conform to authoritarian capitalism discourse. United $nakes of AmeriKKKa out of the minds of revolutionaries!

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>>12156897
Asking for it isn't going to make it hurt any less, boy.

>> No.12156922

>>12156874
But the Westboro church does that all the time.

>> No.12156935

>>12156807
It's more complicated then just that. USSR had an obligation to enter the war according to lend-lease agreement with the US. You can tell just by the fact that delivery continued even after Germany capitulated.
>... formally ended 12 May 1945 but deliveries continued for the duration of the war with Japan (which the Soviet Union entered only 8 August 1945) under the "Milepost" agreement until 2 September 1945 when Japan capitulated. 20 September 1945 all Lend-Lease to Russia was terminated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease
For US hovewer it was "better" to nuke to prevent soviet ocupation wich woud allow them to control the area and establish their military base here. This was also so needed excuse to show Stalin whos leading the atomic race.
Japanese government ( probably ) knew about Russia beforehand but still tried to negotiate to lessen the post war penalties.

>> No.12157030

>>12152246
I want to buy it is what I want to fucking do.

>> No.12157047

>>12156922
Yeah, but not even the Bible Belt likes them. Or cares for them.

>> No.12157178

>>12156888
I'm kind of getting tired of this attitude. Even the left is turning to proto-fascist civilian stamped thought control. It's so popular now to get anyone who is perceived to be racist or sexist fired from their jobs with sufficient discrimination. I guess after it being demonstrated for so long how well such tactics worked against minorities it's only time to use them for the benefit of minorities, what could go wrong after all?

>> No.12157304

>>12156912
AmeriKKKa, the land where arming yourself to defend the downtrodden from the capitalist class and their attack dogs in the police and the military is ``asking for it.'' Global U$ terror must be broken with the iron might of the third world.

>> No.12157318

>>12157178
The left is a burned-out husk. Most leftists in ameriKKKa are conservatives who only fight for welfare spending and green subsidies in order to keep their own bourgeois interests sustained. Fascism as represented by the repression of dissenting speech with violence has been the foundation of U$ capitalism since indigenous times.

The time has passed, Marx Lenin and even Mao's shining thought have outlived their usefulness as models for a new society. The only solution is to erase all government and structures of capital with revolutionary engines that spark daily chaos and change...break down the structures and we will flanally be able to organize autonomously from capital and government...

>> No.12157381

As an East Prussian I'm not offended a little bit.

>> No.12158142

>>12156491
You still have not provided any source.

>>12156807
While you are correct, note that USSR declared war AFTER the two bombs had been dropped. The US couldn't just assume USSR would declare war. Though it may not have been necessary having all the information, with the limited information they had, they didn't really have a choice. It was either that or a land invasion.

>>12156935
Or, you know, they could have just terminated the lend-lease act, as Germany had been defeated and they had no enemies left for which they needed American support.

>> No.12158255

>>12158142
>note that USSR declared war AFTER the two bombs had been dropped.

They declared war after the first bombing but before the second. It was pretty close though, since the declaration and the second bombing were within a couple hours of each other.

>> No.12160478

I am a Polish and Ukrainian with Jewish heritage. This game looks cool and the girls are hot. I want to cuddle Hitler.

I don't care if I am Jewish, I think I would make one of Hitler's top soldiers.

>> No.12160491

>>12160478
It's nothing to do with race, as I see it - it's the mindset. I'm from a country that never had anything to do with WWII Europe but the heebee geebees of the whole holocaust/nazi thing is as strong here (I think) as anywhere else.

>> No.12160493

>>12157381
You mean Kaliningradian?

>> No.12160513

>>12157318
what will likely happen is, most people will band together into groups to seek protection and new, oppressive governments will be born from those. and nothing will change, or if it will, it'll be for the worse.

>> No.12160522

>>12160493
No, proud Prussian. Born in Allenstein

>> No.12160539

>>12152560
Wasn't chaplin critical of hitler?

>> No.12160540

>>12160522
Prussia-kun pls

>> No.12160542

>>12158142
>You still have not provided any source.
Not that guy, but it got me interested so I looked around. It would seem that a formal declaration was never made, though a lot of sites on the topic claim that the japanese were "Willing" to concede, as he said, conditional surrender, with the condition being that the Imperial family retain the status quo, yadda yadda. That said, it was also true, and the Soviets pushed for this, that the Allies' stance was to only accept _un_conditional surrender. So, as things turned out, boom went the bombs, and so the Emperor was forced to say fuck it and drop all the conditions. Turns out they let him stay anyway after all.

>> No.12160546

>>12160542
Oh, by the way, if you want the source, you can just type in 'japan conditional peace' in Google and even hit I'm feeling lucky if you want.

>> No.12160561

On the one hand, who gives a shit? It's a card game about an alternate timeline, for all we know the japanese army in this one wasn't a bunch of batshit insane xenophobic assholes.

On the other hand, my grandpa had several of his sons and his wife killed by Japanese officers even though they were just civilians and bore witness to the general jackassery and douchebaggery of Imperial Japanese soldiers, so it does tick me off a little to see said officers and soldiers being "glorified" in a sense. Say what you want about the rudeness of American soldiers or the use of the atomic bombs, but at least the G.I.s didn't use native people as sword-testing targets or abduct them for rape and murder.

>> No.12160569

>>12160561
>but at least the G.I.s didn't use native people as sword-testing targets or abduct them for rape and murder.
It's sad that you actually believe this.

>> No.12160573

>>12160569

I only speak from what I know. Japanese officers killed my family members, American G.I.s didn't. Are you saying I should be sympathetic to the Imperial Japanese army and hold some sort of grudge against the soldiers who ended up saving my grandfather's life instead?

>> No.12160576

>>12160573
I'm saying you shouldn't say things that are blata ntly untrue, retard.

>> No.12160582

>>12160573
Communist lies and propaganda.
Your family members probably died from contaminated water or something.

>> No.12160586

>>12160576

I don't recall any cases of G.I.s. taking civilians from the countries they occupied in the Pacific Theater during the war and using them as "comfort women" like Imperial Japanese soldiers did in Beijing, or as rape victims like in the Philippines. And I certainly never heard of them using said civilians as weapons targets either. Could you provide a source for your accusations, so then I ascertain whether your claims are factual or not? There are some articles on wikipedia I'm looking up, but they're not very in depth regarding American war crimes regarding the Pacific theater.

>> No.12160587

>>12160582

I didn't know contaminated water resulted in bayonet wounds or dismembered limbs. They must have traveled to that one African place in Far Cry and swam in the water then.

>> No.12160599

>>12160586
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_crimes_during_World_War_II#United_States_2

You're not looking hard enough.

>> No.12160606

>>12160586
>And I certainly never heard of them using said civilians as weapons targets either.

Except for, you know, the whole atomic bomb thing.

>> No.12160611

>>12160561
So you're saying that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were all fine and dandy since GIs didn't salughter civilians? Are you fucking stupid?

>> No.12160612

>>12160599
>>12160606

Fair enough then. Both sides did commit atrocities in war then, I'll admit that. But it doesn't change that my relatives were killed out of blatant xenophobia/racism, and that under Imperial Japanese rule, my family would have been treated little better then as second-class citizens, or potentially even like the burakumin of Japan (who are still discriminated against to this day)

>> No.12160616

>>12152645
Wait, what? I thought I was on /v/.

Shit.

>> No.12160618

>>12160542
>the Allies' stance was to only accept _un_conditional surrender

A lesson they learned after WWI, wasn't it?

>> No.12160619

>>12160586
Instead they took civilians who were native born citizens of their own country and essentially confiscated their belongings of economic value, put them in concentration camps, deprived them of their guaranteed freedoms, dehumanized them, exploited them for menial and manual labor, let them die and sent their young men off to fight and die in many of the most dangerous battles of the war with some of the highest casualty rates.

I refer of course to the incarceration of all Americans of German decent.

>> No.12160620

>>12160618

They wanted unconditional surrender because they feared a resurgence of Japanese militarism if they didn't completely dismantle the current government after the war. So yes.

>> No.12160621

>>12160618
>A lesson they learned after WWI, wasn't it?
No, the lesson they learned is make your enemies into allies.

>> No.12160627

>>12160619

>all

Whoah there, it's a bullshit act to be sure, and the survivors never got an official government apology (which they should), but don't conflate around 11,000 people of German or German-American descent with the entirety of all German/German-American citizens in the US.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans

>> No.12160634

>>12160606
Not only did we drop nukes, we firebombed civilians afterward. As if atomic bombs weren't already enough.

>>12160612
>But it doesn't change that my relatives were killed out of blatant xenophobia/racism, and that under Imperial Japanese rule, my family would have been treated little better then as second-class citizens, or potentially even like the burakumin of Japan (who are still discriminated against to this day)
You're acting as if Japan is the only nation to ever do something like that. This shit is real basic human nature. The U.S. has done all of that--Vietnam is a shining example. And look at slavery. Racism is STILL a problem in the states.

It is and has always been a game of power. Japan had their little go, but it was relatively short.

>> No.12160637

>>12160627
I think he was being sarcastic.

>> No.12160642

>>12160612
You do realize than prior to WWII American negros and chinks were second class citizens, right? The civil rights movement was in the 60's and 70's, arguably born out of the post WWII environment.

>> No.12160643

>>12160634

True, but on the other hand, we don't get games in America where we play as qt southern plantation owners who would NEVER do something like beating their black slav-I MEAN VOLUNTARY WORKERS OF AFRICAN DESCENT.

>> No.12160647

>>12160642

And under an Imperial system where the Japanese are viewed as being ruled by a divine ruler and being of heavenly descent, there wouldn't have even been room for the idea of a civil rights movement.

>> No.12160662

>>12160647
On the contrary, vast colonial holdings meant that there probably would be. One needs look little farther than the state of pre-war UK and current UK to see the long term effects of creating second class colonial citizens.

Particularly, look at the extremely effective guerrilla tactics employed during the Algerian War against the French. If the Japanese wanted to keep their colonial holdings, it would be unlikely they could keep such a large population as second class citizens, and would have at least granted pan-Asian suffrage.

>> No.12160665

>>12160627
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment

>> No.12160674

>>12160647
>And under an Imperial system where the Japanese are viewed as being ruled by a divine ruler and being of heavenly descent, there wouldn't have even been room for the idea of a civil rights movement.
Chinese Revolution

>> No.12160682

>>12160662

Given Japan was only concerned with expanding as much as possible in the Sino theater, and applying unrestricted violence as a way of coercing submission to their army, it's highly unlikely they would ever grant suffrage to their citizens, not until the point where underground movements and rebellions forced them to release their hold on their territories. They wouldn't have learned from Britain, because their ideology would not let them recognize that treating people like shit generally makes them mad and vengeful, they would have simply followed in its same steps, resulting in several decades of hostile treatment of their colonial holdings and then an explosive backlash.

>> No.12160684

>>12152421
your gramps was a huge bitch and you know it.

>> No.12160687

>>12153859
how was he evil you moron? he singlehandedly won the war against the nazi's

>> No.12160689

>>12160674
>>Chinese Revolution

That was a subset of the native Chinese population rebelling against a corrupt system that favored political elites disguised under a veneer of tradition.

In the case of Imperial Japan, it would be a matter of "dirty barbarian pigs who are not of glorious Nippon descent rebelling against the honored Emperor". The vast majority of Japanese citizens, who venerated said Emperor, held the view that people not of Japanese lineage were inferior, and were given protection under the law, would not give any support to colonial movements for rights.

>> No.12160695

>>12160687
hate to break it to you but the nazis were the good guys

>> No.12160700

>>12160682
>applying unrestricted violence as a way of coercing submission to their army
You seem to imply that the Japanese had unlimited manpower. The Japanese empire grew much more quickly than the British one, within a single generation meaning manpower could not grow nearly as quickly as territorial acquisition.

>not until the point where underground movements and rebellions forced them to release their hold on their territories
It was already happening during the war. Somehow you don't seem to understand this was happening during the war.

>because their ideology would not let them recognize that treating people like shit generally makes them mad and vengeful
One the contrary, post Meiji ideology was extremely pragmatic. The ideology was the basis for their rule, but not the basis for their actions. Ideology is surprisingly flexible. You can take a look at Nazi Germany which did some ideological flip flops, and it was arguably more extreme than Japan.

> resulting in several decades of hostile treatment of their colonial holdings and then an explosive backlash.
Have you never heard of Gandhi?

>> No.12160702

>>12160695
yeah the initiators of the conflict resulting in the greatest loss of human life in history sure are good

:^)

>> No.12160706

>>12160689
>rebelling against a corrupt system that favored political elites disguised under a veneer of tradition.
Sounds like Imperial Japan to me.

>The vast majority of Japanese citizens
The vast majority of Japanese denizens in Japanese territory would not be Japanese.

>held the view that people not of Japanese lineage were inferior
That may be true, but there was lots of pan-Asian propaganda spread by the Japanese. Pan-Asian suffrage would not be counter to Japanese ideology, as long as they could get fealty to their government.

>> No.12160708

>>12160702
the real initiator was poland you fucking moron

>> No.12160711

>>12160706
>The vast majority of Japanese denizens in Japanese territory would not be Japanese.
Just to expand on this point, during the Chinese Revolution it was mostly Han Chinese rebelling against a foreign ruling ethnic population, the Manchus. Not so different from Japan governing any of their territorial holdings.

>> No.12160715

>>12160700

>Japanese had unlimited manpower
What the Japanese lacked in national soldiers they made up for by recruiting collaborating native troops, that's why they set up societies in China and the Philippines, promising the members that they would be treated fairly and like regular Japanese civilians if they joined up and fought under them (which a fair amount of people did). Unlimited? Certainly not, but it did act as a somewhat effective stopgap.

>happening during the war.
I thought we were discussing a hypothetical situation where Japan held on to territorial conquests after successfully negotiating peace with the Allies. Plenty of colonies have had rebellion movements that were suppressed by occupying forces and remained under rule of their controlling nations.

>ideology is basis for their rule, but not for their actions
Ideology drives actions, it's what influences the view of the average citizen or soldier and allows for harsher/more extreme policies to be passed.

>Gandhi
I don't get what you're pointing at. Gandhi rebelled against Britain, colonies under Japanese rule would too. Are you implying every colony would use non-violent means?

>> No.12160718

>>12160695
No, they were a bunch of fucking dipshits lead by the biggest idiot that my country had to endure. Thanks to that fucking piece of shit and his friends my beloved country had to go into another war, mass slaughtered innocent people, lost a lot of good men, territory and is now plagued by white guild. You can't go out and be proud of your homecountry anymore, it's stupid. He caused all the fucking problems we have to deal with now.

>> No.12160725

>>12160708
lol

>> No.12160730

>>12160715
>What the Japanese lacked in national soldiers they made up for by recruiting collaborating native troops, that's why they set up societies in China and the Philippines, promising the members that they would be treated fairly and like regular Japanese civilians if they joined up and fought under them (which a fair amount of people did). Unlimited? Certainly not, but it did act as a somewhat effective stopgap.
So you essentially are backtracking on your point of suffrage, which was my point exactly. In order to maintain power given actual Japanese manpower, they would have to incorporate natives.

>I thought we were discussing a hypothetical situation where Japan held on to territorial conquests after successfully negotiating peace with the Allies. Plenty of colonies have had rebellion movements that were suppressed by occupying forces and remained under rule of their controlling nations.
Japan would have had significantly less manpower than before the war.

>Ideology drives actions
No it doesn't. You seem to be completely unfamiliar with Meiji and post-Meiji politics. Ideology is a pragmatic tool for governance, not an underlying motivator.

> it's what influences the view of the average citizen or soldier and allows for harsher/more extreme policies to be passed.
But it is the governing elite seeing those policies passed or not passed. You are assuming that the political elite are blinded by ideology and would not make pragmatic decisions.

>colonies under Japanese rule would too
That's half my point. That and Japan lacked the manpower to put down revolutions by force.

>Are you implying every colony would use non-violent means?
I'm dismissing your blanket statement.

>> No.12160734

>>12160718

Pretty certain you can't blame Hitler entirely for everything that is wrong modern Germany.

>> No.12160735

>>12160734
What about Merkel?

>> No.12160743

>>12160735

Don't know enough about her to have an opinion.

>> No.12160749

>>12160718
I live in Canada and we're not proud of our country either. Best to get over that sort of tribalism, don't you think?

>> No.12160751

>>12160718
blame the fucking jewish media for this shit you god damn retard!
here's a quick rundown on what really happend.
>france and britain want germany destroyed after ww1
>however they are scared as fuck because germany had an awful lot of hunting clubs
>britain tells poland to fuck with germany and that they'll back them up if anything happens
>poland being a fucking retard nation of course goes out and kills german citizens
>hitler wasn't quite happy with this and suddenly all those hunting clubs formed an army
>germany marches into poland and buttfucks the entire country
>britain and france shout ohh you so evil germany we at war now!
>hitler says no we don't want another fucking war
>britain and france dont give a fuck
>germany says alright faggots bring it
and thats how ww2 started!
now print this post out and bitchslap your history professor with it because he was lying to you!

>> No.12160753
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12160753

>>12160735
big bitch

(it's funny cause she's terrified of dogs)

>> No.12160761
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>>12160718
Why won't neo-nazi thugs every realize that they are the single greatest threat to western civilization?
>"I want to take pride in my people and culture."
>"I know! Let's revere the single most vilified person in existence, that will certainly attract people to our cause!"
Fucking stupid. And for many of them it's not even about pride in one's people, it's about hate of another.

>> No.12160765

>>12160743
She's from the DDR, if it wasn't for the war this would not have happened. Seriously though, he caused a lot of problems we have to deal with now. If war had never happened we wouldn't have had to deal with the DDR for example

>> No.12160767
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>>12160751
:^)
:^)
:^)
:v)

>> No.12160770

>>12160765
But the DDR is where I get all my cheap fake Nazi millitaria from because I can't afford genuine WWII Nazi articles.

>> No.12160773

>>12160749
>I live in Canada and we're not proud of our country
what a surprise

>> No.12160777
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12160777

>>12160765
So you need mad DDR skills to become king of Naziland?

>> No.12160781

>>12160767
>can't handle the truth
I see you enjoy being brainwashed quite a bit.

>> No.12160794

>>12160751
You're making this whole thing sound like if it were some middle school drama bullshite. Are you fucking dumb? Poland isn't just that dumb to attack Germany which was clearly more advanced in military than Poland. They had fuckin Hussars. Fucking horses and blunt weapons. Going against a powerhouse like Germany? You must be drunk

>> No.12160798

>>12160777
Hitler was a DDR pro. The more you know...

>> No.12160800

>>12160794
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horses_in_World_War_II#Debacle_of_1941
Because Poland is smarter than Russia

>> No.12160805

>>12160794
You just underestimate how fucking retarded Poland is.
Just read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1939)

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12160821

>>12160798
Yo sup mah goym?
I is teh Hitlaw and I be goosestepping all over yous hiscores!

>> No.12160830
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>>12160794
He's just trolling very subtly.

>> No.12160843

>>12160753
It's funny if you're a fucked up ex-soviet officer. That's the sort of shit that made me hate Putin.

>> No.12160848

>>12160805
>, two days after the beginning of the German invasion of Poland

>> No.12160853

>>12160843
man you're a little pussy

don't come to russia ever

>> No.12160857

>>12160853
Typical Russian caveman

>> No.12160861

>>12160857
at least cavemen have a sense of humor

>> No.12160875

>>12160848
That's just textbook Jewish history bending at work.
Bloody Sunday happened first.
Hitler got the news and made a huge speech about it.
After the speech was over the German forces began to march into Poland.
The date on wiki is obviously wrong because how could Hitler make a speech about shit that hasn't even happened yet?

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