BABYMETAL Wota General #5

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European Tour Edition

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Have they even confirmed anything for the Y and M shows?

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Are they coming here to lose their V-cards?

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>>12098147
plz dnt dirty teh lolis

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anyone have a lossless audio rip of the Headbanger! remix from Legend "D"?

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>General
>edition
Go back to >>>/mu/

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>>12098211

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requesting a WEBM of suzuka at 0:32

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dad142yTGbc

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Proper new thread
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why is she best metaru?

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Links for newbies and the like!

Babymetal appearances:
http://pastebin.com/mnvqZeQa

Links:
http://babymetal.jp/
https://twitter.com/BABYMETAL_JAPAN

http://www.sakuragakuin.jp/
https://twitter.com/sakura_shokuin

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>>12098321
Why continue posting in the shitposting retard made thread tho?

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any fancams of the Budokan concerts or any good vids of the singapore ones?

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>>12098183
i want this!

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So the apoco web says the Babymetal club ends in some months, will Babymetal be disbanded then???

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>>12098363
youll probably just have to renew ur membership or buy another item then. dont think babymetal will be gone for at least another full year. hope they release a new single soon tho.

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y in pit of balls?

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>>12098419
ball are touching...
>mfw

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http://strawpoll.me/1591701/r
Which Yui is the best Yui?

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please someone sell me budokan neckbrace

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>>12098364

holyfuck thank you anon

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Erm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaJRNvobFz4

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>>12098486
Perfect example of why female voices make things better

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>>12098504
but that breakdown

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>>12098436
You're welcome anon-kun!

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>>12098486
whyyyyyy

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>>12098281
no we dont care about sakura gakuin, only babymetal

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>>12098135
Still no updates on Legends "M" and "Y"

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>>12098821
Dammit Amuse! Get your shit together!

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Real singing or backtrack?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pjkemadRra4

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>>12099068
Better quality, jewtube a shit:
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x17kv5l_babymetal-live-at-inazuma-rock-fes-2013_music

I think Su sings for real here and Yui and Moa have a backing track.

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>>12098277
proper thread

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Yui4Pres

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>>12099386
told u we dont care about Sakura, only babymetal

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>>12100215

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New European tour dates

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>>12100444

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>Electric Ballroom
Oh hell yeah!

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>>12099068
Unless you hear Su make a horrible mistake, it's a backtrack

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>>12100573
if karen's girls was the little sister group of perfume who was su's sister in perfume??

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>>12098486
That's beautiful.

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>>12098486
Are his vocals straight out of the mic or do you think he has some effects processing going on there?

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Does anyone know how long their concerts are? I want to book a coach back to my hometown but it's hard to without an idea of how long I'll have. Given that the show starts at 19:00 there are coaches back at 21:00 and then not until 23:00, is 21:00 going to be far too early? Sorry if this seems like a really stupid question, I'm pretty inexperienced with events like this.

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Speaking as someone who saw Metallica back when they were playing in clubs, not stadiums, I wanted to get angry about this.

Then I remembered that Japan likes to rape everything and stick a loli in it.

So I shrugged instead.

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>>12100739
Depends what show you're going to. The Sonisphere show will prob be about a half hour while the full concerts are an hour.

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Please use the proper thread >>12098277

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>>12100771
/btards have hijacked our threads, I don't like there being two but at least they can all stay in this one

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>>12100771
I just wanna discuss Babymetal, I hardly even know that other group.

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Well fuck me I never thought it would happen but I'm actually going to see Babymetal.

Holy. Shit.

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I hope they come to south america someday. I'd totally go see 'em, no matter how far.

;_;

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>>12100818
Talking about Sakura Gakuin is not mandatory, but BABYMETAL started as a subunit of that group and Yui and Moa are still part of it and regularly partake in Sakura Gauin activities, so it makes sense to include it in the topic. I don't see a problem with people talking about members of the group either, and few people seem to want to do that anyway.
The main problem with this thread is that the topic is nonsensical, the OP includes no useful information, and the person who posts it spams his resized versions of BABYMETAL pictures (his are all named image.jpg and have a higher resolution and larger filesize) and shitty comments written in bad English with no capitalization and facebook abbreviations (e.g. "u" for you). Since he converts from a lossy format into another, this means that this thread is full of pictures of inferior quality but larger filesize, which is annoying.

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>>12100820
going to the Paris show myself :3
>>12100824
Yeah we don't care about topics we just wanna talk about babymetal, post pics. Who cares about image names and correct spelling you autistic fagit

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>>12100824
>autism

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>>12100739
The show will be early and go for an hour.
Stay in the closest backpackers hotel to the venue.
I guarantee you there will be other fans there.

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New BABYMETAL official World Tour promotional vid with Budokan footage
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BeOtUSUwSqg
>mfw no European tour will be as good as the shows at the Budokan

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>>12103201
SING A POLE

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>>12103182
God bless you BasedBabymetal

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>>12103762
stop bumping this shit thread and go to the real one

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>>12106960
what is moa holding

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1st july in Paris, my holidays begin the 4th ... damnit.

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Ok what the fuck, they're playing the 5th now for Sonisphere?

I've already bought a ticket for the 6th, plus I'm working on the 5th.

And now they're playing Electric Ballroom on the 7th?

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>>12107161

FUCK

They're sold out at the Electric Ballroom already?

Just kill me now.

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>>12107169

Is there any chance of me getting a standing ticket or shall I just buy a balcony one before they sell out?

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>>12107174
just buy one from a scalper, i'm sure there are plenty that are selling

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>>12107194

I bought a standing ticket why does it list a seat number.

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>>12107194

I purchased a standing ticket from ticketmaster but it has a row and seat number like this guys:

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>>12107250
Mine was for the old venue anyway so who knows what any of that info means.

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>>12107250
if it's standing, then those distinctions mean nothing
at most, you'll just have to stand in a section, but the seat number won't matter
just get there early and pick a good spot, no one will care about what your ticket says after they check it at the door

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>>12107266

Ok thanks.

Do you think I can get my £90 Sonisphere ticket refunded since they changed the fucking date?

I had them protected.

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I can't wait /jp/ July can't come soon enough

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>>12107169
About an hour after they sold out Electric Ballroom they just changed the venue to a bigger one.

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>>12107271
Looks like probably not, see point 6.

http://sonisphere.co.uk/terms-and-conditions/

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>>12107280

That is some bullshit.

Do you how I would go about selling it to someone?

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>>12107282
Google 'sell festival tickets' there seem to be a few options/

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>>12107283

Thanks man I'll have a look

God if I don't get to fuck Su-metal after all this I swear

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>>12107271
Try contacting whatever company you bought the tickets through for an exchange, Sonisphere posted on their facebook to do this and that they would (event organizers) have nothing against this.

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Should I just refund my Sonisphere ticket instead of getting the date swapped?

It's gonna be a pain in the ass to attend around work commitments now and I'm seeing them in the indoor venue on the 7th anyway.

That will be a way better show right? They'll only do half an hour at the festival I imagine.

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>>12107339
>tickets cannot be refunded or exchanged after purchase
Point 2 http://sonisphere.co.uk/terms-and-conditions/

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>>12107344

Apparently they've said they'll honour refunds on twitter because of the date change.

Sent a message to SeeTickets customer support anyway.

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>>12098131
gay try-hard faggot bullshit how about you fuck off with this gimmicky shit?

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>>12107276
good.
I wonder, is there enough fans in America to warrant the promoters to book them for, like, a tour in the House of Blues clubs across the us? Or is America too xenophobic? or maybe too sexual repressed that you´d have FOX news crying "Pedophilic music" all over the 6:00 pm news? Man, those fundamentalists in the south/midwest would have a field day foaming at the mouth over the virgin mary statue

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>>12108143
I'd go to see them in Mississippi

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>>12108143
The south isn't even in the bible belt....

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>>12108600

is that the motherfucking Rock?

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The Forum tickets are sold out as of now

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>>12108641
Self-centred as it sounds I really hope they don't up the venue size again, I was really looking forward to the close environment even before they changed it the first time.

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Either way, it's not like you'll actually get to touch them, paedo

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>>12108143
>or maybe too sexual repressed

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>le feelio when I have 2 tickets

Gonna sell the extra for triple price to some normalfag.

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Babymetal appearances:
http://pastebin.com/mnvqZeQa

Babymetal Pro-shot Footage:
http://pastebin.com/ca5yUtfd

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>>12108143
>Or is America too xenophobic? or maybe too sexual repressed that you´d have FOX news crying "Pedophilic music" all over the 6:00 pm news? Man, those fundamentalists in the south/midwest would have a field day foaming at the mouth over the virgin mary statue

Why are you losers so autistic and out of touch yet want to talk like experts on every subject.

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>>12109860
>yet want to talk like experts
didnt see the question marks you dumb fuck?

Anyway, im wondering this because it seems to me that Babymetal would have a hard time playing in the US. After all, the media is so hypocritical in America, that a person cannot say the word nigger without having to apologize almost as if he/she would have killed someone, yet a no talent "artist" does stuff like riding inflatable giant penises and people think her the epitome of cool

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>>12101196
Anyone know where this is from? I've been searching for this but to no avail.

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>>12109860
Because it's the truth. That's how America is. If you can't accept the truth then you need to fuck off from this board and go somewhere else 外人くそやろう.

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>>12110188


your impressions of 'america' from popular media are not truth.

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>>12110244
Yes they are. America is just way too sensitive to anything and everything to an exaggerated extent. Just imagine the scandal BABYMETAL would cause the second they were to put feet in hamburgerland. All the news, people and media would yell "pedophilia!, this is unacceptable!, my children can't watch this shameful behavior!, they are inciting pedophilia into our children and on us!!!, omg mah rights!!!, I don't like this creepy and shitty music, ban it!!!!, etc, etc. It would be better If this band were to stay in Japan only, since foreigners just wouldn't understand it.

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>>12110291
tfw main audience is late twenties and up

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>>12110091
>im wondering this because it seems to me that Babymetal would have a hard time playing in the US.

I've heard this many times, but no one has yet to provide any real reason why.

America is a wonderful land of melting-pots where Limp Bizkit can become the mainstream face of metal (albeit for a few years) and where a couple of white people dressed up as clowns serve as the face of underground hip-hop. A former Emo singer can shave half his head and learn how to work in Ableton for a few months and suddenly become what Americans think to be the creator of Dubstep.

I honestly don't see how Babymetal wouldn't succeed in America. In fact, they're already succeeded, they were the #1 best-selling albums on itunes and on the billboard chart for how many weeks/months? The majority of their fanbase is now American/English.

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>>12111324
wwwwwwww

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>>12111976
There's a version with English dubs? Please share.

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Fuck I live in Poland and I'm a poorfag, shame I won't be able to see them. If they played in Berlin I'd be able to but fuck

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>>12098486
It'd be nice if Babymetal hired someone for screams on stage, a nice 1:3 ratio of screams to clean singing would be nice

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>>12111806
>mfw

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>>12111806
>America is a wonderful land of melting-pots where Limp Bizkit can become the mainstream face of metal (albeit for a few years) and where a couple of white people dressed up as clowns serve as the face of underground hip-hop. A former Emo singer can shave half his head and learn how to work in Ableton for a few months and suddenly become what Americans think to be the creator of Dubstep.

And why a shitty pop "band" like babymetal won't have success in America?

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A BEING BEYOND TIME AND SPACE

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>>12112314
shitty pop is the bread & butter of America, just FYI in case you were living under a rock and this is your first time using the internet.

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So UK /jp/, anyone care to meet up for The Forum show?

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>>12098486
This is like every metalhead's(I mean that as an insult and not a term of endearment) dream come true.

I remember how for a while every other comment on their youtube videos was "YEAH THE MUSIC IS BRETTY BRUTAL I GUESS BUT THE METAL BAND WOULD BE MUCH BETTER WITHOUT THE GIRLS"

>>12112229
I would prefer not. There's only maybe a few moments in a couple of songs at most where they use pre-recorded male vocals, like that one part in iine and another part in Anime Ga Mitai. There's no need to have the lead singer from Hatebreed with his snapback faffing about on stage and going "URGH" every now and then.

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>>12112373
Yeah, that's why they should include more growling. If they want good metal shows they need to include someone to move the crowd. In western world idol choreography won't work, they need to communicate with the crowd

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>>12112384
You make it sound like westerners are a bunch of retards who can only understand caveman-like grunts. We're not, mostly.

You keep forgetting that babymetal isn't a metal band, they're metal-pop fusion. That's the reason why they became a worlwide success in the first place, not because they're a generic metal band that makes metal music by the metal numbers.

Also growling is one of the worst aspects of any metal genres.

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>>12112300
>But her actions are like those of a middle-aged man.

Well then, I guess I'm gay for Moa.

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>>12112395
I disagree with you
I hope Babymetal will be more metal in the future, I'm all in for choreography and cute shit but it doesn't mean everything needs to play by the rules. They should be able to be a bit metal and have some freedom

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>>12112421
By have some freedom I meant shit like stalling the song to talk with the crowd. With live band it's possible

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>>12112421
>it doesn't mean everything needs to play by the rules. They should be able to be a bit metal and have some freedom

On one hand you're saying they shouldn't play by the rules, on the other hand you're saying they should play by the rules of metal and be "more metal".

>>12112425
>By have some freedom I meant shit like stalling the song to talk with the crowd. With live band it's possible

That's also another thing that I hate.

>HELLO CITY THAT WE'RE PLAYING IN
>WHOOOO

>HOW'S EVERYONE DOING TONIGHT
>WHOOOOOO

>ARE WE HAVING A GOOD TIME
>WHOOOOOOO

>I CAN'T HEAR YOU
>WHOOOOOOO

>I SAID, I CAN'T HEAR YOU
>WHOOOOOOOOOOOO

>DO WE LIKE...... MUSIC?
>WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
As far as I'm concerned, they've found their sound and hit that perfect balance of pop vs metal vs other genres.

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>>12112472
Well, the rules of metal are that you can do whatever the fuck you want so I didn't say anything contradictory.

They didn't hit perfect balance because in every song the balance is different. They even have a limp bizkit song for fuck's sake.

Also I bet you never went to a metal concert, stuff like this might seem mundane and stupid but it really gets the crowd moving and separates a good live band from a great one.

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>>12112484
No, talking to the crowd does not separate a good live band from a great one.
Plz get out.
You've obviously never been to a babymetal concert.

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>>12112484
>Well, the rules of metal are that you can do whatever the fuck you want so I didn't say anything contradictory.

Show me your Rules of Metal Handbook please, because I seem to have lost mine. You said you want them to be more metal, what does that even mean anymore?

>They didn't hit perfect balance because in every song the balance is different. They even have a limp bizkit song for fuck's sake.

lol "limp bizkit song" you're dating yourself, because limp bizkit did not invent rap-metal. Of course not all their songs sound the same, some of them are heavier than others, but they're all balanced IMO.

>Also I bet you never went to a metal concert, stuff like this might seem mundane and stupid but it really gets the crowd moving and separates a good live band from a great one.

I've been going to metal shows since before the girls in babymetal were even born. (now I'm dating myself)

What makes a good metal show is their energy and stage presence, Babymetal has that, as well as talented musicians/singers who can replicate the studio versions of their songs or make them sound even better live, and Babymetal also has that.

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>>12112519
oh, come on, anon
he's not dating himself, onedari is clearly a tribute to limp bizkit's style, it even has a fred durst like yell in it

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>>12112552
>it even has a fred durst like yell in it
nope

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>>12112588
2:01 nigga, check it befo u decide 2 wreck it

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>>12098147
Do you honestly believe they're still virgins at this point

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>>12100692

>le pure lossless soul of teh t00bs

everyone uses effects, it's free you'd be stupid not to use it

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>>12112588
you're right, this is a Fred Durst SAMPLE.

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>>12113280
bYAaAA

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when this hhapen!!??

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>>12113738
What a lewd armpit. I bet it's tasty.

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>>12113738
What? This isn't a photoshop?

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babymetal a shit

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>>12113750
Seriously looking at the facebook comments has me seriously worried about the type of people I'll be surrounded with at the concert. Now I'm not exactly 'normal' but I do a decent job of hiding my cringeworthy side.

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>>12113956
It's going to be weebs, ironic metalheads and weeb metalheads

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>>12110152
yes please

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>>12113826
Well on the left side of her face it does kind of messed with. (right side in pic)

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this thread is dead stop samefagging

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wat this?

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>>12116017
New York!?

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>>12116210
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see:
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>>12116017
http://instagram.com/p/n8txxkPajC/
ny photoshoot vid

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>>12116223
who disgusting american pig tell them get out way of car? fuck car and pig

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>>12116223
This isn't right, why?

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>>12116255
Photoshoot for some video with nig rap probably

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>>12116259
Pharrell is collaborating with em and Boosie

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>>12116267
WTF
Fuck this GAY Earth

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>>12116267
source?

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>>12116267
There's no way they're collaborating with actually talented people.

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>>12116281
>niggers
>talented

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>>12116286
Don't be like this, they're objectively talented.

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>>12116291
>objectively
No

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yippee

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>>12116295
Well I'm not going to disrupt the thread to argue with you, but I think their accomplishments speak for themselves.

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>>12116300
;^)

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>>12116301
like being enslaved, losing all of their original culture, welcoming the religion of their masters, and then becoming a walking joke when granted "equal rights"?
oh, let's not forget how amazing their untainted brethren back in africa are doing

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>>12116301
What accomplishments? Popularity? That doesn't mean shit in terms of talent.

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>>12116306
Why Cologne not Berlin, fuck whoever thought it was a good idea

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>>12116315
Closer to the Netherlands ^^ I'm not complaining.

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>>12116308
You can use google, or are you too unintelligent for that?

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>>12116330
I did and I found nothing that'd elevate them above average nigger

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>>12116342
If you keep saying nigger, it gets exponentially edgier, especially on the internet.

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>>12116345
Go back to tumblr nigger

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Maybe they went to shoot a trailer for US part of the world tour? It'd be kind of retarded but I wouldn't put it above them

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http://instagram.com/p/n8tnGxxnhz/

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>>12116413
is that lady a midget

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>>12116434
Maybe, she's doing the photoshoot with them, she didn't say for what it is though
http://instagram.com/p/n8W2I0xnjD/

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>>12116455
sauce?

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anyone have video of moa's cover of "love machine from the 1999 legend concert" they did all that there is, is audio of it with no video

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>>12116300
>>12116306
i'd like to see it to, but it would take me 3 hours to get to cologne :(

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>>12118658
3 hours is nothing nigger. It'd take me like 10 hours and I'm still considering it. Living in eastern Yurop is suffering

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>>12118658
Bitch, I flew about 18 hours to Japan to see them, stop being a faggot

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yo man after seeing them like a month ago, i gotta give it to their fans, they make the show awesome. everyones there just to have fun.

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>>12118765
How did you buy concert ticket? A Japanese credit card or a friend over there?

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>>12118953
I used a middle man for the tickets, won one from the lottery and had the service snag me one in a preferred spot from a seller
A simple google search and you'll be good

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>mfw Amuse is opening up shop in the US

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Is Su most success SG graduate?

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>>12122463
I think Ayaka is a rising actress now and Ayami is becoming a big solo act so maybe not.

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>>12103182
if there is a bluray release of their budokan show I will buy it

does anyone know of a release date or anything?

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>>12108118

found the fabled bottle thrower

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>>12122633
What bottle thrower? I'm new to babymetal and these threads

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>>12122611
nothing yet, we can only wait and see
those shows were the neighbor's deceased daughter's titties and i feel sorry for the fans that weren't able to see them in person

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>>12122658
what

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>>12122658
>those shows were the neighbor's deceased daughter's titties

wut

Is that like a local saying? Like "it was the bee's knees"?

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>>12122658
>the neighbor's deceased daughter's titties
Clearly

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>>12123165
"bee's knees" was originally "bee's balls" back in the 20s

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wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww