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Elona/elona+ general Anonymous Mon Apr 14 02:02:09 2014 No.12039509 [Reply] [Original]

Previous thread: >>12014081

Since the old thread died faster than a little girl falling down a well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 02:15:23 2014 No.12039555 Is cooked fish still selling as well as it always has? I'm a few patches behind.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 03:26:14 2014 No.12039687 Can anyone explain to me what makes Lightsabres with your Pets is so good? I think I read once that the damage it causes is supposed to be really broken but I generally never see that happen and just giving them artifact swords or something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 03:49:02 2014 No.12039717 >>12039687 >2d5 pierce 100% Maybe that's what the guy meant.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 06:41:54 2014 No.12039932 fourth for Shena's ass

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 07:01:24 2014 No.12039955 >>12039687 100% pierce is ludicrious.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 07:32:29 2014 No.12039972 >>12039932 Maybe it's just me but I don't find Shena's ass to be that impressive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 07:44:59 2014 No.12039975 So this is a roguelike isn't it? Is it any good?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 08:05:02 2014 No.12040007 >>12039975 yes it's fun.

Anonymous Mon Apr 14 08:07:02 2014 No.12040012
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>>12039972
It's a nice butt.

>>12039975
It's very different from other roguelikes because there is no permadeath and a single game lasts a very long time.
It's kinda like the bastard child of a JRPG and a roguelike.
I've been playing for a month or so. I like it but the grind is pretty insane.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 08:40:02 2014 No.12040048 >>12040012 There's a way to speed it up? if you don't play for hours a day it takes forever

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 08:51:32 2014 No.12040060 >>12040048 Elona+ has a fast leveling mode but it's a little TOO fast. Like, take a skill from 0 to 20 in minutes fast. It's your game if you want that, but I'm turned off by gaining multiple levels while fighting a single Putit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 09:52:22 2014 No.12040131 there should be an Achievements system, I feel. Players should get a badge for e.g. - sleeping with 1000 people - killing an NPC 10x their level - slaying an Inner God - gathering every card/figure etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 10:02:55 2014 No.12040145 >>12040131 No.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 11:48:01 2014 No.12040340 So, is it necessary to learn some spells if you play as a dual wield thief? I plan to train some supporting spells and other spell like teleport, but I'm afraid the dual wield will make the casting chance difficult.

Anonymous Mon Apr 14 12:19:36 2014 No.12040387
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>>12040340
As a dual wielding thief myself, I can tell you right now by mid-to-late game that spellcasting is absolutely necessary to survive later on. This is probably true for any character except maybe multiple arm mutants.

As long as you adhere to the dual wield weight limit, you shoudn't be bogged down too much by the casting penalty; iirc, the cap douses out at 94% at best.

Anonymous Mon Apr 14 12:20:19 2014 No.12040390
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>>12040340
I only played a wizard far into the game so I'm not the best advisor about that, but I think no class should go completely without spells. They're too convenient for that.
If you're worried about your casting chance get the casting skill.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 12:25:04 2014 No.12040401 >>12040131 achievements are cancer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 12:29:05 2014 No.12040406 >>12040387 >is absolutely necessary to survive later on uhm, I guess its true for predator also, or double shield and heavy armor will be enough?

Anonymous Mon Apr 14 12:36:35 2014 No.12040424
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>>12040406
True for any person willing to go onto South Tyris and later. The sooner you start leveling spells and training casting, the better it'll be on yourself later. Personally, I'd train support skills like Hero, Feather, Attribute Shield, Holy Shield, etc. as soon as possible, and hexes as a secondary objective Magic Dart couldn't hurt to train too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 12:38:50 2014 No.12040428 >>12040424 Yeah, I was thinking that those are probably the most useful spells to have for a nonwizz. what about regeneration, resurrection and silence?

Anonymous Mon Apr 14 12:43:05 2014 No.12040435
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>>12040428
Also invaluable spells. I can't list all spells that would you should use since eacg spell might depend on the type, but just train any or all of your spells whenever possible. Join the magic guild when you can too, so you can start reserving spell books and keep a steady supply of spell stock.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 14:17:12 2014 No.12040636 The wikia says, talking to Leold, that one of the special abilities you can obtain are "continuous attacks". Does this mean you have a better chance of scoring an extra hit, or you'll have another hit no matter what?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 14:35:12 2014 No.12040676 >>12040636 It's just a special action you can use, not a passive ability.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 15:39:49 2014 No.12040826 >>12040676 Ah. Is it any more effective than doing regular attacks?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 15:55:19 2014 No.12040872 just beat north tyris, what's the best way to get a stable income now?

Anonymous Mon Apr 14 16:26:33 2014 No.12040910

>>12040826
It seems weak, but I'm not sure if it can miss or not since I've only used it with a debug char. It can target stuff at a short distance though. Only 3 stamina to use. I can't tell what it's supposed to be used for. It was originally a NPC skill, so I'm not sure if they put much thought into it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 17:41:12 2014 No.12041032 Being hit by breath attacks of my allies trains the control magic skill?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 19:17:21 2014 No.12041182 File: 917 KB, 3360x2784, Lost_Irva.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is it worth moving your house in like South Tyris or Lost Irva once you gain access to them?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 20:08:38 2014 No.12041276 What bosses or NPCs are worth recruiting with the Astral Light Pen?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 20:16:23 2014 No.12041288 >>12041276 The ones you find cute.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 14 21:39:23 2014 No.12041443 >send horse to ranch to make more horses >get spiders What.

Anonymous Mon Apr 14 22:10:48 2014 No.12041488

does elona+ do anything to make the life of pure casters easier? I vaguely remember in addition to all the extra money you needed for even more mandatory skills you also leveled super fast due to spells giving experiance with no stat boosts and harder munsters.

>>	Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Mon Apr 14 22:35:18 2014 No.12041525 >>12041488 You get a lot more spell stocks, spell potentials increase by 20% after sleeping, you can actually see the potentials on the spell list. Some other near stuff that I can't think of but casters are so much easier to get into now.

Anonymous Mon Apr 14 23:45:18 2014 No.12041662

>>12041182
I guess Lost Irva would be possible, but the Maid Mansion works well enough in South Tyris that it's not too bad. Once you can use the shrine of guardian teleport, it's much easier to move around if you want to head back to your home wherever it is.

>>12041276
Your pool of potentially neat recruitables is lower because of the penalty you get for any race with "god" in the name. So, even Big Daddies won't work. There isn't a guarantee that some of the skills will still work as a pet either, since there is something happening that has changed some special actions to different ones when some unique NPCs are recruited.

On the bright side, the level requirement was recently halved, which makes it a lot easier to get the 100+ level guys when they'd actually be useful.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 04:52:17 2014 No.12042139 Holy shit. All this time, I didn't realize that my sprite for the performer monster was an upside-down girl. I thought it was a clown with those double-pointed clown hats.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 05:55:17 2014 No.12042206 >>12042139 it's both

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 06:55:58 2014 No.12042299 >>12042139 post the sprite, I'm curious

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 07:21:45 2014 No.12042342
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Weird, suddenly my character(Juere, Thief) learned Memorization skill, but wiki says it only can be learned via mage guild and also I never read a Scroll of Gain Attribute before. Is it a bug?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 07:43:59 2014 No.12042356 >>12040012 Oh my. What in the world is happening in the background?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 07:46:59 2014 No.12042359 >>12042342 Check your equipment. See if there is any with "enhances your memorization ability".

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 07:49:29 2014 No.12042361 >>12042342 It's probably the mutation that enhances your memorisation. You won't be able to actually train it unless you get it normally, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 08:34:02 2014 No.12042408 I got the goose. How does it work? I fed it cooked meat but I didn't get any coins. When I slept I didn't get any coins either.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 14:15:25 2014 No.12042970 Damn, I can't do a good replacement animation for the holy veil/power up one. anyone have ideas?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 14:43:55 2014 No.12043018 >>12042408 The meal must be good quality, any burnt meat won't do. And the duck only shits one platinum per sleeping cycle.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 15:00:25 2014 No.12043053 >>12043018 Thank you. I don't remember 100% but I'm sure it was neither grotesque nor charred. Does the sleep while traveling also counts?

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 16:27:00 2014 No.12043201

>>12040424
I managed to beat the story areas of South Tyris without bothering with magic (just needed time stop ammo to beat the last boss there), so it's not needed there, but the special bosses are just insane and I'll probably need to go ahead and grind spells up if I ever want to bother going further.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 16:31:45 2014 No.12043210 Is pickpocketing a necessary skill if you're not a thief?

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 16:40:00 2014 No.12043232

>>12043210
Someone mentioned in /vg/'s roguelike general that at insanely high levels, you can pickpocket high level enemies/bosses' armors and accessories to make them significantly weaker, and even weapons that aren't Artifacts. Otherwise, it's useful for checking out people's inventories for rare things like scrolls of flying, potions of potential/evolution or godly/miracle equips.

>>12043201
How are you managing on healing/buffs? Are you just zapping yourself with rods, or quaffing potions like crazy?

>>12043053
Taking naps while travelling doesn't count, only sleeping when you use a bed or pass out.

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 16:46:37 2014 No.12043244
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>>12043232
Potions, mostly; it wasn't even a really high-quaffing fight. I just have really high stats from a ton of herb grinding. Compared to things in high-level dungeon (Several god-tier monsters just blow through my HP), the South Tyris boss wasn't that damaging.

Let me see if I can grab a character sheet screenshot, I haven't played in a long time now. I'm back a few versions because I haven't bothered updating since I've not been playing though, I think.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 16:56:52 2014 No.12043265 File: 122 KB, 530x510, 1360043137660.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12043244 You're a Fairy Claymore that's unarmed and doesn't use spells? What do you even use to attack?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 16:59:52 2014 No.12043273 >>12043265 The wind

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 16:59:52 2014 No.12043274 File: 539 KB, 806x628, equipment.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12043265 My throwing slot gets switched out with things to increase resists, defense or offense as needed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 17:16:41 2014 No.12043301 >>12043274 You really ought to level your spells that can self-buff you; at levels where you're at, they'll make or break situations you could die at.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 17:17:41 2014 No.12043306 >>12043274 >double shields if you're going to spellcast, you're definitely going to have to deal with the shield penalty

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 17:24:11 2014 No.12043327 >>12043244 >Unarmed >God Lulwy Ever try Kurumi? Like fighting unarmed gives a lot of SP based skills like Attribute and if you throw riding in Cheer can kind of be a substitute to Lulwy Trick.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 18:01:27 2014 No.12043422 File: 261 KB, 1000x1000, 38809828.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What is best unarmed pair of weapons out of every precious artifact?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 18:19:42 2014 No.12043451 >>12043422 Probably the smash and sacrifice tonfas.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 18:59:12 2014 No.12043499 Those fucking giant ants...

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 19:55:37 2014 No.12043610

>>12043301
I've been leveling them a bit, although currently I only get about 71 PV from Holy Shield I think.

>>12043306
The shield penalty is irritating, yeah, but the PV bonus I get from having it is large so it's usually worth it.

>>12043327
This is actually a no pet character, so no riding either (it was sort of a challenge character, and speed is starting to lag behind also...). I actually started with Kurumi (harvest bonuses to help with herbs and all that) but I benefit greatly from even the small amount of added speed Lulwy gives. I'm usually not running into SP problems in fights, it's generally things that simply do massive amounts of damage because of the whole fairy thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 20:40:38 2014 No.12043701 >>12043422 ...is that Frelia?

>>	Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo Tue Apr 15 21:05:12 2014 No.12043747 >>12043499 Just make your equipment acid proof. Puppy cave it for them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 21:13:26 2014 No.12043762 How the fuck am I supposed to kill the South Tyris boss, Meshera? She either spams Shining Wave attacks, or when I whittle her down to about 15%, she uses Super Regene.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 21:15:57 2014 No.12043766 >>12043762 I used time stop ammo, buffed myself as much as possible, used charge attack before the percent she went into regen mode and time stopped until she went down. I think it only two two of the three charges I had?

Anonymous Tue Apr 15 21:16:26 2014 No.12043768

Here's an idea: why not have a fucking door to the boss room that can't be opened unless I'm physically capable of doing above X damage per second?

See, it would save me the trouble of having to kill that stupid fucking meat plant for the tenth time only to find out I STILL can't out-damage its *Super Regene* spam.

>Okay, wait here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 15 21:18:41 2014 No.12043775 >>12043768 here, I'm not >>12043762. I literally just posted about this boss almost the same time, without seeing the other post. surprised to see I'm unbanned too

>>	Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo Tue Apr 15 21:19:41 2014 No.12043777 >>12043768 Boss room? There is no boss room. The boss comes to you. Through the walls. If you can't beat the boss, then don't try. If it says <Something I Know Will Rape Me With Boss Stats>, then go away.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 00:03:28 2014 No.12044063 File: 575 KB, 697x394, newProgress #1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12043775 >>12043768 I'm the other guy who's having trouble. Mind me asking what your stats are?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 00:11:27 2014 No.12044079 >>12044063 1. get a better riding pet 2. get some fightan pets 3. get better at magic 4. consider contracting some beneficial ether diseases 5. get all your shit to +10

Anonymous Wed Apr 16 00:19:58 2014 No.12044088

there is an easy way for lategame statgain.

you will need:

- cursed alcohol in great quantities
- a fairy
- a fishing rod
- okay fishing skill
- okay cooking skill
- some money to start several farms with

optional (but makes it faster):
- machine lure
- blood drain feat
- a sandbagged neutral monster
- healing rain

the main concept is that every time you feed your fairy some high-quality food (in this case, cooked fish), it will vomit up seeds. It will also be full - which can be easily counteracted by throwing cursed alcohol at it.

basically:

1. fish lots
2. cook it all
2a. (optional) use Blood Drain on a sandbag to get your stamina back fast
3. feed it to your fairy
4. throw cursed alcohol at it until it's no longer full
5. rinse, repeat
6. collect all the herb seeds and plant it for uber stat growth.

be careful that it doesn't die from anorexia. use healing rain as needed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 00:23:27 2014 No.12044096 >>12043244 >age:42 >not using blessed slow potions to become loli

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 00:28:42 2014 No.12044104 >>12044088 Or if you don't want to go through all of that, get herb seeds by backspace+enter the truce grounds.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 00:30:41 2014 No.12044107 >>12044104 that would be cheating.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 00:32:10 2014 No.12044113 >>12044079 Got 2, 3, and 5 done.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 00:33:25 2014 No.12044117 >>12044113 considering spell levels go up to 2000, 3 is never done.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 00:34:55 2014 No.12044118 >>12044117 Meant that I've been training magic and spells since early game, but I doubt I'll ever actually reach 2000 on anything.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 00:40:40 2014 No.12044127 >>12044118 if you've already started on magic, you might as well start the switch to magic for DPS. it's something you have to do sooner or later, anyway. start power-levelling magic storm.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 02:25:20 2014 No.12044291 Does herbed food also raise stat potential?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 03:08:35 2014 No.12044336 Is there anything redeemable about a skull bow?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 03:49:53 2014 No.12044379 >>12044336 I think higher pierce chance.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 07:27:42 2014 No.12044591 >>12044336 they're scary

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 07:32:42 2014 No.12044595 >>12044096 Yeah I keep meaning to get around to that. >>12044291 I don't believe so, no. You'll need to invest in a bunch of magic shops and farm potions of potential to keep your stat potential high.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 10:26:23 2014 No.12044809 File: 170 KB, 672x557, Clipboard01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] the Lost Irva map is a kappa.

Anonymous Wed Apr 16 11:21:32 2014 No.12044881
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>>12044063
So yeah, I just confirmed again that I still can't beat it. Here's my stats.

I don't get this pissed off when an element dragon shits on me with 234-turn element scar + 1000dmg bolt spells, because at least it has the fucking courtesy to actually kill me.

Who in their right mind thinks a boss whose signature move is a free, infinitely spammable insta-heal makes a good boss fight? Are these people on pills?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 12:05:24 2014 No.12044953 Isn't healing hands better than cure critical?

Anonymous Wed Apr 16 12:18:09 2014 No.12044973

>>12044881
I think the first time I beat that boss, it was before it could use the super regen, so when I did it with another character later on I had a hell of a time beating it. I'm pretty sure I was trying to use time stop, like another person suggested above, although I can't remember what finally worked. I don't think hexes work on it, do they? I remember trying elemental scar. Maybe you could try recruiting a bunch of kali and letting them go nuts on it or something.

Anonymous Wed Apr 16 13:03:47 2014 No.12045076
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>>12044881
You're gonna love Five Head Gods

>infinitely spammable insta-heal makes a good boss fight?

It's Elona+ man. It doesn't aim for good boss fights it aims to just make you give up or largely step up your grind game.

Anonymous Wed Apr 16 13:19:32 2014 No.12045134

So I'm using a dual wielding thief with pretty high hit percent, and I found the Twin Edge bandit which literally doubled the amount of attacks for monsters I can hit about 90-100% of the time, so I'm trying to find more equipment that grants me more attacks.

I want to find the Five Horned Helm, but the wikia says that it's only available from New Year's drops from adventurers. Has anyone gotten it, and if so, is it worth it over any other helmet?

Anonymous Wed Apr 16 13:34:42 2014 No.12045171
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>(He looks at you with eyes that seem as though he's lost all sanity and laughs)

>"Aah...you can't go anywhere from now on...I want to bind you to me with this...but, if it's you, even if I don't do that, you won't leave me behind, right...?"

Kumiromi confirmed yandere.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 13:35:42 2014 No.12045173 >>12045171 Forgot to mention these are the lines he says when you summon and talk to him at 4025+ Faith.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 14:07:12 2014 No.12045243 >>12045076 >A quirk in its AI means that if you stand far enough away from it, it will simply stand still and do nothing, allowing it to be easily shot to death. legit?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 14:24:46 2014 No.12045270 >>12045243 I think I've killed one of those like that before, so yes. The distance at which I had to stand was pretty high if I'm thinking of the right mob though, so I wasn't doing that much damage. Took a long time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 14:26:01 2014 No.12045274 >>12045243 I don't know because my pets always rush the thing and then suddenly everyone is eating a fuckload of breath attacks that just take away absurd amounts of health if they hit. I loathe those fucking things.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 14:53:32 2014 No.12045323 Will casting Element Scar on Meshera halt her Super Regene special action?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 15:07:02 2014 No.12045351 File: 178 KB, 1146x177, mesheradown.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] For anyone curious, I found my screenshot of what I ended up doing to kill Meshera.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 18:45:41 2014 No.12045856 I have always been stingy as hell with small medals, but what is the shrine gate at miral's workshop? does it do anything other then be an expensive piece of furniture?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 19:08:41 2014 No.12045929 where do i get custom npcs? also, it doesn't look like i can use moongates now

Anonymous Wed Apr 16 19:19:57 2014 No.12045957

What's even the point of playing dojingames at my age and try to force my fantasy world in them? I should just make my own game and finally fulfill my teenage fantasies, going on like this is pathetic.
the only thing left that doesn't make me feel guilty is eating.
holy shit I spent two minutes to find it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 19:24:57 2014 No.12045970 >>12045957 Because reality is unfair and boring. There isn't really a point to anything no matter what you do so just take it easy and enjoy the game.

Anonymous Wed Apr 16 19:36:42 2014 No.12046009

>>12045970
I can't enjoy it, its like if I have someone that keeps whispering in my ear "oh you know it would be cool if that..." "think if that character would..." "this would be fantastic if the scrolling effect on this map..." etc etc.
its a virus I contracted when I was a poorfag kid, and all my classmates were one or two console generations ahead of me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 19:54:57 2014 No.12046059 >>12046009 In that case if you have the willpower you should make your own game. I have a lot of fun with this game but I agree it has lost potential. Unfortunately, I end up quitting everything I start so I can't be bothered to try.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 23:26:36 2014 No.12046425 is finding spirit cloth and dragon scale items level dependant? I jewelered myself a bunch of change material scrolls and the best material I could get is rubynus and griffon scale, curretly level 18

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 23:38:51 2014 No.12046442 >>12046425 I'm pretty sure you can get spirit cloth from change mat scrolls. If not, try blessing the scrolls.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 23:41:06 2014 No.12046444 How many characters do you play at once? I haven't got past level 20 because I keep wanting to create a new character every few days.

>>	Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Wed Apr 16 23:47:06 2014 No.12046453 >>12046444 With shit like the business card, I can't really see why you'd want to start a new character unless you really want a new racial bonus. Or if you made a fairy and are now regretting it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 23:49:51 2014 No.12046456 >>12046453 >Business card Not him but damn I didn't even know about that thing till now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 16 23:54:06 2014 No.12046461 >>12046444 I don't intend on restarting, but I kind of really wish I picked golem or rather, that I didn't pick "slow digestion" I want to slap myself for thinking this was a plus--I'm fucking swimming in grand parfaits I can't eat

Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Wed Apr 16 23:56:06 2014 No.12046468

>>12046461
Could always jump in the puppy cave and look for a hungry ghost, though that's not really a long term solution.

I read something about adding a stairs to your house and using summon monster rods untill a hungry ghost pops out and just keep him around.
Also something about capturing one on a ranch and you can bash it to temporarily piss it off.

Anonymous Thu Apr 17 00:22:51 2014 No.12046504

>>12046453
I mostly play fairies, actually. I don't mind the equipment limits, though I probably would if I wasn't playing a wizard.
I guess I've just always liked starting games more than finishing them. When I was a kid, I'd play the first two gyms of Pokemon over and over again.

>>12046461
Slow digestion must suck. My characters have regular digestion and it still takes too long to eat things for my comfort.
On the other hand, you capture a hungry ghost and abuse them for infinite hunger.

>>12046468
Couldn't he also do that in a storage house for a lot cheaper?

>>	Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Thu Apr 17 00:24:37 2014 No.12046509 >>12046504 >Couldn't he also do that in a storage house for a lot cheaper? Probably. I've never tried it myself and the thing I read only mentioned stairs.

Anonymous Thu Apr 17 01:06:27 2014 No.12046584

>>12046461
You could just find an equipment that allows you to eat rotten food; I'm pretty sure it gives you the benefits of eating the food as if it weren't rotten (no stat loss, chance of vomiting unless it was cursed).

Even if you don't want to equip it, you could just keep it in your inventory and put it on whenever you're hungry.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 01:35:26 2014 No.12046632 >Check my Art file >Red burst katana was created at Port Kapul in 21/1, 532. >Go to Port Kapul >No idea where to start >Don't even know what the fuck 21/1,532 translates to in the game I wish this game had an artifact radar or something, jesus.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 01:40:56 2014 No.12046639 >>12046632 Port Kapul is placeholder text, it's actually Melugas. http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Yerleswood_Neo This is the guy you are looking for.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 01:52:56 2014 No.12046656 >>12046632 >21/1, 532 Refers to the day, month and year it was created.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 02:11:56 2014 No.12046690 >>12046639 Oh. Oooooh I see. Thank you. >>12046656 Well that's not horribly helpful. Makes me happier though that it didn't spawn on an adventurer though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 02:50:51 2014 No.12046745 Got some chocolate from my ally who has a love relationship with me, it contained nails and turned me insane. Did she just go yandere?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 04:04:01 2014 No.12046801 File: 92 KB, 450x1395, 9812.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12046745 Is that a problem?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 04:06:16 2014 No.12046804 File: 189 KB, 500x382, feather.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is "It deals magic damage to the magic attacker" any good?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 04:10:31 2014 No.12046813 >>12046804 Bitch, I would shank you in a dark alley for that feather.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 04:11:01 2014 No.12046815 >>12046804 Roll for dawn cloth, ether or an otherwise lightweight superior material. That'll rescue your ass when 3/4 enemies start using magic against you later in game.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 04:14:16 2014 No.12046817 >>12046804 >Magic attacker #####+ oh baby Love to try the weapon fusion system with that. And yeah's it's pretty good. Not many tough enemies use magic as a means of attack though I believe outside of Yiths.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 04:17:31 2014 No.12046820 >>12046817 >Not many tough enemies use magic as a means of attack though I believe outside of Yiths. What? So many enemies late game use magic.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 04:21:47 2014 No.12046822 >>12046820 Doesn't mean they're tough to beat though. I have way more issue with the ones who spam Breath attacks,buff and melee than the ones who cast Fire Bolt or some shit like that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 04:22:16 2014 No.12046823 >>12046817 >weapon fusion system is this not in the game yet or can i find it somewhere?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 06:05:57 2014 No.12046947 >>12046804 it's good when you fight the inner gods. their weapons deal elemental damage, so you give significant damage back whenever they hit you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 06:10:12 2014 No.12046958 File: 102 KB, 712x495, Clipboard Image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12046804 use a material kit to turn it into adamantium, then use it as a base for enchanting. eventually you end up with something like this

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 06:14:42 2014 No.12046961 >>12046958 >enchanting What? Please elaborate.

Anonymous Thu Apr 17 06:18:42 2014 No.12046966

>>12046961
there's a new quest from 1.35 onward. when you complete it you get to use Scrolls of Gain Attribute to put extra enchantments on your stuff. there's a point limit on how powerful your stuff can get, but it increases every time you use it.

it starts in Rust Plaza.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 07:01:12 2014 No.12047006 Is grinding the spells I will never need of any use?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 08:26:15 2014 No.12047107 >>12046966 Wait, 1.35 is out?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 08:32:45 2014 No.12047115 >>12047107 1.36R is out.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 09:14:45 2014 No.12047164 >>12046966 I've yet to even visit the third continent, I assume everything there's in the same state of untranslated as South Tyris is? Any of it on the wiki yet?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 09:35:45 2014 No.12047183 >>12047164 play the japanese version. it's so much better. the japanese is easy and guessable.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 13:12:25 2014 No.12047422 I have been playing an updated game of elona and I have noticed that the towns are now all full of werewolves. What does this do at all? Whenever the town executes a werewolf they don't drop anything or attack like they should in the wiki

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 13:27:10 2014 No.12047447 >>12047183 How is it any better? The content should be exactly the same. >>12047422 Werewolves are now the instigators of the invisible hands that kill citizens. If you want their drops, you have to kill them by attacking them, not executing them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 13:50:25 2014 No.12047499 >>12047447 you dont get some story scenes, actually.

Anonymous Thu Apr 17 13:59:55 2014 No.12047522

>>12046804
One of the nice things that isn't mentioned is that because it reflects the actual type of damage, it also can inflict the same status effect that damage causes. For instance, paralysis from nerve attacks.

>>12046817
Unfortunately, the only fusion they've allowed doesn't actually fuse weapons together. You have to find special jewels in dungeons that are enhanced by the "awake of nefia" item. The jewels have a certain skill or stat on them that can be fused onto equipment if you also have a gain attribute scroll. There's also some kind of limit to how much you can put on a item.

>>12047164
There isn't much to do yet, and most of the quests are incomplete. There's a quest that sends you to a volcano with a really nasty boss, and the "quest" detailed at the bottom of the page here:

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:11920

Which opens up the item fusion thing. To get the items for it, you need this thing:

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Black_gemstone_of_Wake_up_of_nefia

The story dungeon in the middle of the map only goes to floor 7 so far, and has a boss on that floor. Everything is at least level 140 + 1 level per floor there.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 14:49:57 2014 No.12047637 >>12047499 >playing elona for the story who am i quoting

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 14:54:42 2014 No.12047648 >>12047637 >misusing greentext and spoilers 自殺しろ

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 15:21:13 2014 No.12047722 File: 929 KB, 264x320, 1379511380640.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12047499 No point if you can't even understand the story.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 16:06:28 2014 No.12047836 >>12047115 >>12047164 holy shit I'm still at level 22, I will never make it to south tyris, figure the third continent. pls send help

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 16:18:42 2014 No.12047849 >>12047836 Gotta get to grinding is all I can say.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 16:29:04 2014 No.12047865 >>12047836 post stats

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 17:25:41 2014 No.12047956 Why is the translation so terrible?

Anonymous Thu Apr 17 21:31:58 2014 No.12048350

>>12047956
It's being done by the japanese guys modding Elona, who as far as I know haven't responded to any offers of help with the translation from anyone that has tried to contact them. It's hard to tell if they just aren't interested or if the people that offered to translate just disappeared or weren't actually up to translating the whole thing.

Anonymous Thu Apr 17 23:19:46 2014 No.12048406

Would it be completely suicidal to play without pets as a Fairy Wizard?

I'm level 20-ish. I just dropped my pets off at the bar so I could grind a bit, and realized that the game is much more fun without them. 95% of the time, my pets would just destroy everything for me, and the other 5%, I'd rather be fighting the big boss myself instead of babysitting my little girl.

At the same time, as a pure caster of a very weak race, I think I'd be completely fucked once I ran out of mana.

>>	Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Thu Apr 17 23:20:01 2014 No.12048408 >>12048406 I wouldn't recommend it, but its possible through liberal use of sleep and teleports. God pets are pretty easy to get and can be pretty tanky, or just gear up your little girl to distract them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 23:22:48 2014 No.12048411 >>12048350 I remember somebody from here saying they did get in contact with Elona+ devs, but then subsequently never heard from that person again as if they disappeared off the planet.

Anonymous Thu Apr 17 23:36:22 2014 No.12048424

>>12048406

I know what you mean. I go into level 30 dungeons and can tank mostly everything myself, and then my pets end up dying to stupid shit. It kills the fun being a babysitter and paying tons of gold to revive them. The only problem is sometimes I actually need them when I get into a sticky situation and I'll die if they aren't there.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 17 23:53:50 2014 No.12048435 >>12048408 >>12048424 What do you think would be a fun solo class, then?

Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Fri Apr 18 00:06:50 2014 No.12048454

>>12048435
Yerles is good because of the extra skill points, although picking Eulderna for the casting feats and magic resistance would be my choice personally.

After that, starting as Farmer will save you a lot of plat on essential skills like Cooking/Anatomy/Gardening, and I like polearms so the proficiency works in my favor.

Priest/Warmage will give you Casting as well, and more combat oriented feats, so you can pick something other then Eulderna, but you lose out on Anatomy. Also lose Cooking if you go with Warmage over Priest but you get better weapon skills.

Your class can be changed later with a business card, so you can get the class bonus of Wizard for reduced MP cost, or Warmage's higher success rate.

Though really, anything is viable eventually. Even Fairy with a lot of effort.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 00:07:50 2014 No.12048455 >>12048435 I wouldn't really say this game is good for soloing due to the fact that the only factor that determines your power is how much you grind. Not using pets only increases how much you have to grind to be able to clear certain things.

Anonymous Fri Apr 18 00:56:50 2014 No.12048496

I'm pretty new. How do I make my pets not get instagibbed by the occasional stronger than average enemy?
I've been giving them ores to sell and just letting them kill stuff and trying to keep their equipment updated, but they don't seem to be making much progress.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 01:48:11 2014 No.12048530 So... Who's played the tourist class?

Anonymous Fri Apr 18 03:24:16 2014 No.12048643

>>12048496
Keep them close by with the leash so at least they can't get killed outside your line of sight. This gives you a chance to kill whatever is wrecking them before it finishes the job.

Other than that you really can't do anything but the you're already sort of doing, which is letting them grind by killing enemies, giving them excess ores to sell, and giving them food/herbs.

In the end, though, pets can be a pain in the butt without lots of work, see >>12048424

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 03:35:16 2014 No.12048665 >>12048530 I played a snail tourist to ~lvl 30. It's not so bad, really.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 03:45:16 2014 No.12048683 >>12048496 the trick is to always be on the lookout for stronger, higher level pets. it's much easier to catch a new one than to grind an existing one up.

Anonymous Fri Apr 18 03:48:31 2014 No.12048690

>>12048496
>but they don't seem to be making much progress.

Pets in general shouldn't really have to be making progress. Drop the ones who are causing you concern without a second thought unless they're REALLY special like a God Pet or a Bell. Otherwise Elona leaps in power far too much to really be worth the time needed to invest in them.

Specially when you could just use that time on your own character whose death carries far more weight.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 05:19:55 2014 No.12048810 Raphael is the enemy of all women, netorare is evil and marriage is a sacred union between a man and a woman. Do I lose something if I do not complete this evil man's quest?

Anonymous Fri Apr 18 05:23:10 2014 No.12048817

>>12048406
Not at all suicidal, but you need to prepare a little bit better than other class/race combinations.

First, secure a good amount of Holy Shield books and start spamming it up. Since you get mostly DV on fairy equippable armor early on, the PV increase will be huge once you get it to a respectable level. You want to have it active all the time, which is a pain at first but gets better once the duration increases from levels.

Invest in some armor upgrades, the level depends on your budget, but aim to have at least everything +3 for starters. If you haven't joined the mages guild already, consider joining the fighters' guild for cheaper upgrades first, before switching. Even if your equipment is terrible, remember that even a simple bejeweld amulet gives you DV and PV with a small investment in upgrading.

Consider getting the ascetic feat line; as a fairy it's more or less mandatory to keep yourself alive, especially against some forms of damage (suicide damage cannot be mitigated). If you can kill Big Daddies, consider turning little sister in for hero cheese.

Lastly, decide on a physical combat style. Even unarmed will serve you well. It's simply not feasible, at any level, to kill everything by casting. You can dispatch easy enemies with melee and save mana for things that pose a challenge.

The bottom line is: PV, Life and a melee (or ranged) attack to conserve mana when expending it isn't absolutely necessary.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 05:31:40 2014 No.12048820 >>12048810 You gain 2 unicorn horns, 2 platinum coins, 5000 gold and you lose 15 karma but only if you give him a human

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 05:39:40 2014 No.12048834 >>12048820 Yes, yes, but does not completing it prevent me from completing the game, attaining the highest rank, or anything?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 05:45:25 2014 No.12048842 >>12048834 No

Anonymous Fri Apr 18 06:15:55 2014 No.12048873

>>12048817
> It's simply not feasible, at any level, to kill everything by casting.

nonsense. high-level Magic Storm is your best bet for clearing a room, and works just fine vs single targets.

lategame, mana is not as much of a concern as you'd think, especially for Fairies. your max mana grows far faster than the mana cost of higher level spells.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 06:19:10 2014 No.12048876 >>12048820 I think of the quest as a fetch quest for engagement jewelry. 19 pieces of jewelry + random putit = rewards.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 07:44:25 2014 No.12048966 Ummm... are quicklings really supposed to be that difficult? They are inbalanced in relation to all the other enemies I'm facing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 07:52:55 2014 No.12048978 >>12048966 People don't say speed is king in Elona for nothing. And if you think THEY are inbalanced then oh boy you are in for an actual fucking wild ride when you start dealing with South Tyris' bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 07:57:55 2014 No.12048988 >>12048966 Worship Lulwy if you value your life.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 08:18:25 2014 No.12049013 I just realized that Summon Spirits summons spirits that are level-dependent. so they're actually useful lategame. also useful for padding the audience in Perform quests!

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 08:26:41 2014 No.12049023 >>12048966 throw bottles of poison at them

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 08:50:40 2014 No.12049038 >>12049023 >>12048966 My low level strategy was throwing grenades at the enemies close to them. alternatively, touch of sleep

Anonymous Fri Apr 18 11:41:02 2014 No.12049275

>>12049013
unfortunately I think most players tend to be way under the dungeon level of dungeons they're perfectly capable of exploring

I'm 75, but I can clear a 180 dungeon as long as I don't roll any bullshit like bomb rock rooms or faggots in yellow

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 11:43:47 2014 No.12049277 >>12049275 the bomb rocks that teleport you to them are the absolute worst.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 12:33:17 2014 No.12049380 How do I make cute custom avatar such as >>12044063

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 13:12:22 2014 No.12049443 >>12049275 >I'm 75, but I can clear a 180 dungeon what how

Anonymous Fri Apr 18 13:57:23 2014 No.12049509
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To the guy who asked me earlier how to get custom avatars, there was a link posted in an earlier that had a gigantic folder of custom avatars, PCCs, monsters, etc. If you browse the archives, you'll definitely find it.

>>12049013
The spell itself is impossible to get via spellbooks, so you have to rely on dreaming or scrolls of wonder to obtain it, both very unreliable methods if you want to level it to manageable levels.

That said, it's great to use during boss battles for decoys. If I recall correctly, they also drop a pretty decent Artifact glove if you kill them enough times.

>>12049443
>>12049275
You'll start to notice that as soon as you level higher that dungeons don't scale linearly with your level; the monsters don't match the dungeon level, but the level range of the monsters can range from 1 - (whatever the dungeon level is).

If you get the black gemstone of wake up Nefia, it automatically scales the monsters' levels to that of the dungeon, no matter what tier they are.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 14:13:22 2014 No.12049549 >>12049536 You posted in the wrong thread.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 14:32:07 2014 No.12049628 >>12049509 >The spell itself is impossible to get via spellbooks, so you have to rely on dreaming or scrolls of wonder to obtain it uh oh guess I shouldn't have been spamming pudding spirits in my home

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 14:34:22 2014 No.12049636 >>12049536 Fucking kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 14:36:37 2014 No.12049640 >>12049443 Sorry, 180 is an exaggeration. 150 is more realistic. The highest dungeon I've ever cleared was 180ish and it involved a lot of teleporting and "what the fuck is that". The boss was a level ~210 cat.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 15:01:37 2014 No.12049699 File: 863 B, 48x96, 642-Gi-ant.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12049509 Nice picture

Anonymous Fri Apr 18 15:13:22 2014 No.12049713

what is the logical progression to attack spells? I can't use the bolts all the time since I am still training control magic and I can only barely read nerve eye spellbooks safely with 36 literacy. Magic arrow is starting to kill my mana being at level 67 when the rest of my spells are level 15 - 25

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 17:00:43 2014 No.12049868 New player. Should I start with elona vanilla or should I just go for elona plus?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 17:03:13 2014 No.12049872 >>12049868 Plus, there is no reason to play vanilla unless you hate yourself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 17:45:14 2014 No.12049947 File: 15 KB, 450x410, 24507229.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12048810 Raphael x Horse is canon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 18 17:51:13 2014 No.12049957 >>12049947 my two favorite npcs are both Plenair clones and I never noticed until now

Anonymous Fri Apr 18 22:17:03 2014 No.12050275

>>12049509
>The spell itself is impossible to get via spellbooks

I'm bulk-buying scrolls of wonder everywhere I can find it to get Wish, anyway, so it's not an issue.

>>12049713
convert to Magic Storm asap. everything else becomes shit eventually, except maybe Meteor, which has obvious problems.

if you keep running out of mana, use rods of mana. you can also convert to Itzpalt, whose ability converts stamina into mana.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 15:54:31 2014 No.12051515 What's the best race for thieves?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 15:56:31 2014 No.12051517 >>12051515 Something with high strength, as strange as that may sound.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 16:03:31 2014 No.12051533 anywhere i can reliably get kitty banks? taxes are killing me

Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Sat Apr 19 16:06:31 2014 No.12051538

>>12051533
Do the "I HATE CATS" quest in Yowyn. There's a 500k kitty bank in there I think. It might be random what size it is.

>>12051517
Strength is pretty easy to train, starting out is a pain in the ass because you have to train the stupid skill itself. I usually just steal carrots and shit from the ground in Yowyn.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 18:13:31 2014 No.12051763 File: 202 KB, 420x688, b5c0a71a7482fef50b61f33ebf964a97.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why are these threads so slow? Elona deserves more love.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 18:26:31 2014 No.12051783 >>12051763 /jp/ is slow in general. We've had several 300+ post threads over the past few months, which is actually pretty damn fast. Before, while elona was kinda dead, it'd be 60 posts and fall off the board. take it easier.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 18:56:59 2014 No.12051898 >>12051533 there's one in Noyel you can steal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 19:17:14 2014 No.12051970 File: 352 KB, 816x638, elona.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12051763 I love elona.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 19:27:45 2014 No.12051990 File: 560 KB, 750x750, 38321054.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12051533 Moongates

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 19:29:45 2014 No.12051997 >>12051990 can you pick things up in them now?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 19:30:00 2014 No.12052002 >>12051997 No, u can bash

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 19:49:45 2014 No.12052022 I can get past hp walls enemies like titan and elea knight. fuck this game, I hate it so fucking much.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 19:54:00 2014 No.12052028 >>12052022 SO FUCKING MUCH

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 20:00:30 2014 No.12052037 >>12052028 >>12052022 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeLxUVACQF0 My advice is to get better pets, train your character more with good food and get better equipment.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 20:04:01 2014 No.12052042 >>12052037 The main problem is that they're TWENTY LEVELS ABOVE ME

Anonymous Sat Apr 19 20:18:30 2014 No.12052057

I've been meaning to play solo, but I'm lacking experience since I've always played with pets. Is it at all possible (looking at mid-late game)? I'm talking no pet even a mount. Basically all combat will depend on me. I'd like to hear some of the experiences of people who may have tried it before.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 20:39:15 2014 No.12052087 >>12052057 obtain shining wave

Anonymous Sat Apr 19 21:37:00 2014 No.12052162

>>12052057

solo combat involves alot of magic, might be impossible without a ton of wall creation wands if you are not a mage. The safest way is usually fencing off/ignoring everything else and assassinating what you want to kill. There is alot of luck and preperation as well since you will need a ton of shit in your inventory at all times just in case you need that moltov or silence rod or whatever.

I run few pets since I can't be fucked to arm all of them and I often end up having to fight bosses solo when my pets instadie to bullshit rooms.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 21:41:30 2014 No.12052167 the impression value which every npc has towards the player, do they also have one for every other npc? For example the impression my pet has on some random npc or with another of my pets.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 21:47:30 2014 No.12052176 did elona+ change how specific materials are handed out? I have been gathering from tons of material spots but I haven't found a single generator, I only find them from gain material scrolls.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 21:49:30 2014 No.12052178 >>12052057 it is possible. I've even heard of a guy who did a snail tourist solo. it's just a question of how long you're willing to grind. because it certainly will be longer without a mount.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 21:51:30 2014 No.12052181 >>12052176 From what I remember, generators will only appear at the "remains" type gathering points. The ones with the piles of gold and lantern.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 21:52:15 2014 No.12052184 >>12052167 no. >>12052042 grind moar. >>12052176 some materials are only found in specific types of spots, and some can only be found in high level dungeons. check le wiki.

Anonymous Sat Apr 19 21:54:45 2014 No.12052189

>>12052162
solo ain't bad. early/midgame Zero Shoot solves all your problems. lategame Magic Storm lets you clear a room in a single round. It's the lack of a riding pet that slows you down. you'll get a 2000 speed pet long before you can get 2000 speed yourself.

Anonymous Sat Apr 19 22:06:51 2014 No.12052197

>>12052184

is this the most up to date wiki? http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Materials it just says "all" for generators and in the sample spot page it doesn't say anything other then higher level dungeons need more skill to harvest.

>>12052181

That might be it, my skill for that spot is my lowest skill, maybe it requires higher levels? I guess I will grind that out a bit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 19 23:55:48 2014 No.12052422 >>12052197 http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Sampling_spots It's probably dependent on your Detection skill.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 00:00:46 2014 No.12052431 I tried it out. But the scroll of identity disappears and can't identify gold. Which is fine. But then I can't use the bow Cuz it's not identified and it's fucking frustrating.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 00:16:28 2014 No.12052450 >>12052431 What? Are you trying identify gold or an artifact?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 00:50:15 2014 No.12052495 >>12052450 I think he's still in the tutorial.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 04:43:31 2014 No.12052817 File: 280 KB, 828x570, shapechange.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How does this "shape change" thing work? I cant seem to get it right. Not even sure what it does actually, I figured it changes the sprite, but could be wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 04:46:26 2014 No.12052819 File: 625 KB, 1148x932, 個別差替え解説図.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12052817

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 04:57:37 2014 No.12052826 File: 8 KB, 157x205, np.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any recommend attribute for living throwing weapon? Currently I only choose the elemental damage like chaos damage for debuffing enemies before rush to them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 05:51:33 2014 No.12052855 >>12052819 Ah, I see, thanks!

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 07:35:11 2014 No.12052950

>>12052057
Solo isn't hard at all, but requires the kind of knowledge you only get after a couple of playthroughs to not die over and over and lose more progress than you make. The biggest problem is that you have to deal with everything yourself. You can't let a pet go ahead and see if that monster you've never fought before is a pushover or will eat your face. If you're stuck in a bad place you can't hope pets will save your skin. All the monsters will fully focus on you, so you have to be ready to take on anything and everything.

That said, if you can pull it off, playing solo is a lot more reliable than having to herd a bunch of pets around, so once you know how much you can handle, you don't have to worry about your pets doing something stupid.

The most important thing is to be prepared. Aim to be immune to most status effects (blind and paralysis especially, since being paralyzed can mean death, and blind can't be cured with healing effects the way dim, confuse and poison can), have failsafe ways of getting out (escape scrolls, teleport scrolls), measures to heal yourself in a pinch, change creature rods, wall creation.

Then you need a little strategic common sense. If you're in a room with 4 manageable monsters and one monster you don't want to deal with, zap a teleport rod and teleport it away instead of teleporting yourself. Kill the easier monsters, and wait for the harder monster to return then focus your full attention on finishing it off. Use corridors and doorways to your advantage; remember that you can plink even the hardest melee hitter to death if there's a snail between you and it in a 1 tile corridor.

Knowing monster specific tricks (for example wet bomb rocks don't explode, toss a random potion at them and render them helpless) also helps. Play slowly and carefuly, read up on monsters you encounter for the first time on the wiki, and death should stop being an issue.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 07:43:01 2014 No.12052959 >>12052950 Holy wow. That's a treasure trove of info I'd never gear do before. Thanks, also to the others that replied - I think I'm a bit more confident now for my solo run. Wish me luck!

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 08:05:23 2014 No.12052989

>>12052959
Good luck! My typical solo starting strategy is to do a few delievery quests to get some platinum and money. Buy cheap glass equipment from blacksmiths for extra speed, and upgrade it to +1 as money allows. When you're confident you won't die to a hermit crab, head on to Yowyn, enter gardening quests and harvest to increase your stats. Go around to every town, collecting glass equipment and useful rods (teleport, magic damage rods for bursting down bosses and difficult monsters). Pick up the small medals from every town, they are enough to buy a hermes blood, bless it when you get your first bottle of water and boost your speed a bit.

When you've buffed your speed a bit, do before it's too late quests, they give considerable amounts of money. Use the money to upgrade your equipment further to +2 or +3.

Go through the Puppy Cave a little bit, for more glass equipment, books and useful rods, oracle scrolls to trade with adventureres and jewelry to trade for quest items.

Once you've assembled an adventuring kit with all the items you need, clear all the level 1 to 10 dungeons you can find. You'll get money from the final boss, cure corruption potions and small medals for more hermes blood. And most importantly, fame. Once you reach 20000 fame, quests can reward up to 2 platinum points, so it's a good point to start completing your skill set. Start collecting inferior material scrolls to turn items with good stats to glass and improve your resistances and immunities that way, invest more money into your gear (and shops for a bigger selection of items). Once you reach 30000 fame and can get 3PP for quests, take some time to farm quests and get all the skills in the game. Invest in all the magic vendors to level 50 or more for potential potions, and then it should be smooth sailing to ridiculous powerlevels.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 08:09:08 2014 No.12052993 >hermes blood considering speed drinks are quite plentiful in the dungeons, it's a waste to spend the medals on this. you're better off getting the shield tonfa.

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 08:21:17 2014 No.12053005

>>12052993
The shield tonfa artificially boosts your damage, which is not always a good thing. I'd rather keep my damage as low as possible, to level my combat skills, instead of killing low level monsters in one hit then finding my accuracy and damage modifier failing me on monsters that can't be killed with a simple raw damage boost. It also does not apply to all combat styles, and while its defensive attributes are good, resistances are much more important to get in the early game when you hit hounds and baptists. A speed boost will help you for your character's entire lifetime, whereas you'll toss the shield tonfa sooner or later for something more useful. It's also a no go for fairies, not without flying scrolls.

But this is all a matter of prefference.

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 08:28:24 2014 No.12053014

>>12053005
in the long term it's better to convert to magic anyway, and the shield tonfa (and a good rifle/shotgun) will keep you alive until that happens. grinding up combat skills is just too much effort for not much gain compared to how quickly magic ramps up.

as for accuracy, this is where Zero Shoot comes in.

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 08:37:08 2014 No.12053029

>>12053005
> you'll toss the shield tonfa sooner or later for something more useful

Not really. The great thing about tongfas is that if you have more than 2 arms and you have a tongfa equipped, you don't get the casting penalty for dualwielding. This, plus the nice defensive bonuses, makes it useful all the way to endgame. My current endgame loadout is Vital Flayer, Kindness Blade, Frisia's Tail, Shield Tongfa, with the Sealed Shield in the Shoot slot. Obviously a lot of flying scrolls went into making this work.

I would argue that it's worth the scrolls to make it usable on a fairy mage, too. Though in that case obviously you don't get it until later.

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 08:55:05 2014 No.12053051

>>12053014
>>12053029
What you're saying is theoretically sound, but it assumes that the player wants to be a mage, or have multiple arms (and break dual wielding for melee attacks), respectively. Using the term endgame is deceptive since it assumes the average player has clearing absurd void levels or beating inner gods as a final objective.

I preffer giving new players pointers that make their life easier without making assumptions about the play style they choose, or assume they will put in absurd amounts of grinding to reach setups like multi-wielding god weapons.

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 09:03:10 2014 No.12053061

>>12053051
the point is that if the shield tongfa is good enough when you're fighting abominations of the void, it's good enough for the early and midgame also. you can stack the resistances in the other slots.

for soloing start, I don't think going heavy melee is a good idea, considering you don't want to get surrounded. tongfas have an obvious advantage going ranged, and shield tongfa is probably the best tongfa you can find. ergo, it's worth the first fifty medals

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 09:08:38 2014 No.12053064 >>12052450 Tutorial and can't get past it. Something isn't working.

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 09:48:08 2014 No.12053109

>>12053061
The shield tonfa won't help you do before it's too late quests, harvest vegetables in time or get an extra performance in there. It won't help you outrun enemies or get your turns faster to survive strong spell damage. And if you want to pump absurd amounts of base damage into your ranged, you can find a pair of decent claws and upgrade them (you also get to choose the material and may get some extra mods if you're lucky).

Being surrounded should never happen unless you get terribly unlucky with one of the open area dungeon floors and are allergic to wall creation. I always found melee to be easier to start with, two hand especially since it's accurate and damaging even with a bad weapon. Fighting things in melee lets you gauge your ability to take damage, whereas ranging encourages you to take risks and die when you just didn't expect a titan to be behind the corner.

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 10:23:43 2014 No.12053150
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>>12053109
hermes blood gives +8 speed. that is puny. you can average 1 speed drink per dungeon with reasonable luck. I'm not too convinced it's worth buying over, say, scrolls of growth.

the shield tonfa, on the other hand, gives huge damage and PV. especially PV: +30 PV at the start basically doubles your effective HP. not to mention both damage and PV are boosted when you enhance it at the blacksmith.

far as quests go: seven league boots solves most of your escort quest problems (having a rough idea of how many days it takes to get from A to B helps also). harvest quests don't really matter whether you succeed or not - they're mainly a way to train up strength/gardening safely.

on being surrounded: shit happens. shit happens a lot less when you're not constantly getting in melee range of monsters that you may not know the strength of. especially since some of them will be faster and can appear out of nowhere.

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 11:43:14 2014 No.12053246

>>12053150
The average race has 70 speed, 8 speed is a rough 11% boost in the ability to deal damage, take damage, and complete quests. I don't think it's by any means puny, not for a starter character, unless you inherit gear (in which case you can inherit something that makes the shield tonfa even less worth purchasing). My estimates of speed drinks are closer to one speed upper, for 1 speed, every 10 dunegons and 1 hermes blood for every 100. I haven't kept the exact count, but my current fairy solo character has 239 speed, and I bought 10 bottles so far. That adds up to 120 base speed, 80 bought speed and 39 looted speed. If I refrained from buying hermes blood, I'd have 159 speed, and would be in a significantly worse position.

Seven league boots help, but getting them also means sacrificing a wish that can be used for something else, just to walk faster on the world map. And losing the platinum you can get from harvest quests while training your stats adds up to a considerable waste, especially for a skill starved starter character.

The image you posted doesn't illustrate being surrounded, it illustrates not knowing how to handle a room. Open the door from the side, step back (if possible), peek inside. If the room is full of things you don't want to piss off at the same time, retreat and draw out the ones that detected you, using wall creation to close off the room if necessary. If you blindly step into a room it can very well be full of some kind of suicide enemy and then you'll die, melee, ranged or otherwise. Also, the PV from the shield tonfa wouldn't do you a lot of good here, lightning breath and all, whereas speed to gain a superior position would.

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 12:25:16 2014 No.12053334

>>12053246
pictured is lightning hounds. the next few turns the PC gets hit by about 20 breath weapons. it's just one of those things that happen. I have no idea how you can make the leap to "illustrates not knowing how to handle a room".

>retreat and draw out the ones that detected you, using wall creation to close off the room if necessary

I would point out that those strategies all work better with a ranged weapon. I will say, though, if you find yourself resorting to various novel strategies because the monsters are overwhelming otherwise, then it's a better bet to grind more and/or get better gear and come back later.

> sacrificing a wish
wish 1: seven league boots
wish 2: happy bed
after that you will find that wishes rapidly decrease in utility and becomes mostly a house renovation spell. SLB is definitely the best thing to wish for if you don't already have a pair.

on platinum: farming quests are too slow for platinum grinding. Item fetching/escorts/monster hunting are all better at platinum generation, and moving between cities you'll never run out of them. farming quests are mostly there to grind stats and gardening, and the one or two plats difference between success and failure isn't worth much.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 12:26:30 2014 No.12053339 >Shield tonfa:54 medals holy shit there's a way to farm them in less then a week?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 12:28:00 2014 No.12053342 >>12053339 read le wiki. http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Small_Medals

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 12:33:00 2014 No.12053352 >>12053342 I've read that already, and it doesn't look like a very fast method

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 12:34:48 2014 No.12053353 >>12053352 Going around town and picking them up isn't that hard, really. I'm sure you can get at least 50 in north tyris alone from the towns.

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 12:50:03 2014 No.12053380

>>12053334
>pictured is lightning hounds. the next few turns the PC gets hit by about 20 breath weapons. it's just one of those things that happen. I have no idea how you can make the leap to "illustrates not knowing how to handle a room".

Why is the PC in a room full of lightning hounds? Doors don't block your line of sight. Open the door from the side, which makes you least likely to get targeted by spells and breath weapons. Step away. Look inside. Are there 50 lightning hounds in the room? Well, you probably don't want to step inside then, retreat, and ambush the ones that came after you somewhere the layout of the terrain is more in your favor. Or, since wall creation is plentiful, create it.

Getting hit by 20 breaths isn't something that just happens, it's something that happens when you're not paying attention or can't understand the basics of playing a roguelike.

>I will say, though, if you find yourself resorting to various novel strategies because the monsters are overwhelming otherwise, then it's a better bet to grind more and/or get better gear and come back later.

I for one find using strategy (and calling proper use of terrain strategy is already a stretch) to beat things more fun than grinding stats to elliminate any difficulty the game has to offer. If this is your first roguelike, I suggest playing something with less focus on grind and more on strategy (Nethack works), maybe the inability to grind your way out of challenges would be refreshing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 13:31:17 2014 No.12053426 I bought The diablo...

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 13:36:06 2014 No.12053429 >>12053426 for what purpose?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 13:47:17 2014 No.12053442 >>12053429 Paralysis? Was the Tonfa a better choice?

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 14:28:07 2014 No.12053502

>>12053380
Not him, but you realize that Elona+ is less of a roguelike and more of a JRPG, right?

Even if you did play this game more like a roguelike, there are just some elements that deter it from the genre. Roguelikes are meant to make you learn from your mistakes and refine your strategies; Elona+ can either throw rods of wishing at you or a room full of cluster bomb rocks at times. Even the most experienced player can die to bullshit at times; I remember playing extremely cautiously on one playthrough and suddenly getting Ragnarok'd in Vernis for no apparent reason, and I didn't even talk to Whom Dwell in the Vanity.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 14:29:42 2014 No.12053505 File: 365 KB, 809x635, gambling_with_wonder.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How did I do?

>>	Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Sun Apr 20 15:24:53 2014 No.12053580 >>12052950 >for example wet bomb rocks don't explode Well this changes everything for me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 15:41:35 2014 No.12053605 >>12053429 Well the name is cool

>>	Anonymous of Alabama !.p44NyTsCo Sun Apr 20 15:53:26 2014 No.12053621 >>12053505 Crystal Spear is nice. Wizard's Harvest is nice. But you didn't get Wish, which I don't think you can get from scrolls of wonder, anymore. Contingency requires so much grinding to work well.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 16:08:47 2014 No.12053650 where can i get evolution potions?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 16:14:22 2014 No.12053654 >>12053650 high level mage merchants. or wishing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 18:43:12 2014 No.12053907 >>12053621 you can get wish from scrolls of wonder. it's just very rare. I did an experiment with wizard mode and 10000 elosnack'd scrolls once. it works out to about 200 stocks per 400 scrolls.

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 18:53:09 2014 No.12053925

>>12053380
>Why is the PC in a room full of lightning hounds?
there are several plausible explanations:

- maybe I wasn't paying attention
- maybe I was holding down the up button to open a locked door and went right in after it opened
- maybe I got there via teleport
etc.

the truth is I went into a low-level dungeon with a high-level PC just to get that screenshot. no PCs were harmed during its production. As my speed and Hide was very high, the hounds didn't even aggro.

Elona is a game where you play the same character for hundreds of hours, and there is no permadeath. You can't apply the same standards of attention as roguelikes with permadeath. far as roguelikes go,

I would also argue that the combat in elona is rather bland and uninteresting compared to, say, ADOM. it's mostly a life sim.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 19:01:54 2014 No.12053940 >ambushes are ???? rank >all dungeons are around danger level 200 why did this happen, and is there a way to reverse it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 20:01:44 2014 No.12054064 What would you say the best weapon type in the game is based off of your experiences? By best weapon type I mean most practical and all around most useful.

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 20:02:17 2014 No.12054067

>>12053940
there's a stat that tracks the highest level dungeon you've been in. everything scales to it.

you can check that in the journal.

there's no way to reverse it, but lvl 200 dungeons aren't so bad, you'll catch up eventually. just don't go into super high level dungeons unless you're ready.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 20:03:31 2014 No.12054071 >>12054064 early: rifle/longbow mid: shotgun late: magic storm

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 20:07:16 2014 No.12054081 >>12053505 protip: you can reroll scrolls of wonder by using them inside a moongate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 20:12:10 2014 No.12054094 >>12054081 But that's cheating. >>12054071 Have yet to find a Magic Storm spellbook yet.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 20:16:35 2014 No.12054103 >>12054094 you just need to find one, and then you can buy it from mage's guild. invest in magic shops. you can even wish for it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 20:20:28 2014 No.12054111 >>12054094 In addition to the mages' guild, there's another spell writer at the Sacred Libary of Irva, which doesn't seem to need guild membership to use.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 20:21:56 2014 No.12054114 >>12054067 shit, so if i see a danger level 400 dungeon and walk down the stairs it'll make all dungeons danger level 400 from now on? that sounds like it could get insane quick

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 20:27:21 2014 No.12054125

>>12054114
actual dungeon levels will vary, but the highest dungeon you've been in becomes the median.

for example, if you go down a lvl 400 dungeon, you'll see some lvl 10 dungeons, some lvl 200 dungeons, some lvl 500 dungeons, and even a few lvl 1000 dungeons. this also affects Panic quests. you also get more stars in your questboard, in general.

Random encounters are not so bad, though, since normal monsters only go up to lvl 180 or so outside of void/dungeon bosses, and high level monsters such as Yiths don't show up very often anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 20:29:47 2014 No.12054130 >>12054125 >>12054114 It's not the highest you've been in, but the highest you've cleared.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 21:22:27 2014 No.12054185 What's the best healing spell? I can't rely on Jure forever.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 21:31:37 2014 No.12054204 >>12054185 It's still going to be Cure of "Jua", but if you use it with a magic boosting item like the Vital Flayer it heals substantially more damage than it might be doing for you now.

Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:02:40 2014 No.12054250

there are a few things that can cause permanent regrets in Elonaplus with no way to fix it:

1. after you finish the North Tyris main quest, Gwen the Innocent is replaced by Gwen the Pitiless. Meaning that if you were planning to recruit her with an astral light pen, you had better do it before you finish the main quest.

2. Same applies to Pael's mom (unmutated version).

3. You can Invest in souvenir shops to ~500 or so to get Recipes to show up. However, at this level Treasure Maps disappear permanently. As you only need the Recipes once but Treasure Maps are always good, if you do it to the permanent souvenir shops you'll be regretting it. Instead, invest in the temporary shops during Noyel/Ludus festivals.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:21:42 2014 No.12054285 >>12054250 If you invest in the temporary souvenir shops do they remember between festivals or do they get reset when they disappear?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 20 22:32:30 2014 No.12054297 >>12054285 they reset.

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:11:37 2014 No.12054535
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I'm kinda disappointed to know that Kumiromi isn't a girl. He may be the only trap that I like.

Do pets level their magic spells the same way PC does? I'm kinda worried about having a spellcaster pet if their damage and chance to debuff are low in the later stages of the game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:21:45 2014 No.12054544 >>12054535 pets follow a different system. they don't have spell levels, instead it's tied to their Casting skill. from what I've seen, offensive spells are weak even in pets with high stats/skill, but buffs can easily be more powerful than your own.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 01:23:00 2014 No.12054545 >>12054535 Pet magic seems to be based off a base power that gets stronger from raw pet level's instead of leveling their spells like you do. Any magic pet should always get stronger with every level.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 02:01:55 2014 No.12054599 >>12054544 >>12054545 So what magic pets would you guys recommend? Are Exile and Spiral King still good? I'm also going to get M Girl. How is she?

>>	Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Mon Apr 21 02:12:39 2014 No.12054615 >>12054599 >Magic pet Nope, too many bad experiences with that. I'll stick to melee/ranger pets.

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 02:16:40 2014 No.12054624

>>12054599
Exile is a machine gun, casting Nether Arrow multiple times in a row, which also ups their survivability a bit since it also lifesteals. I got mine very early so she's pretty on par with late game pets I feel.

Spiral King and the other Yiths love casting AoE spells, and have the Control Magic to
not affect your allies. Although I think the status effects still go through, so I'm iffy on them.
Spiral King

M Girl seems like a gimmick, like that doll you get in the Maid Mansion sadly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 02:35:32 2014 No.12054655 >>12054624 Does M Girls cast spellsother than magic storm, slow and mana burst?

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 03:48:56 2014 No.12054791

pets that use magic as offense suck later on. pets like Arkhai which buffs with magic is awesome.

don't bother training up a pet. instead train up Dominate and capture high-level pets as needed. also, go do Panic quests for higher than usual level monsters that can be captured.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 08:11:26 2014 No.12055192 >>12054130 >the highest you've cleared. Clearing that level 400-something dungeon whose boss was a stray cat seems less like a good idea now. Oh well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 08:27:16 2014 No.12055205 >>12055192 Reminds me of the time I spent 10 minutes trying to find the boss of a dungeon only to realize that it was an effect butterfly.

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 11:54:47 2014 No.12055559

Turns out if you have good magic resists and something that reflects magic damage, Ulzassil chain confusing you isn't such a big deal because he'll still be taking hits of 600-800 damage/spellcast.
I don't really recommend that method of killing him though.

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 12:11:28 2014 No.12055593

>>12043610
>I'm usually not running into SP problems in fights

Late as hell respone but, really? Wow,damn i'm impressed. With my unarmed fighter i'm always having problems with SP when I take any other God than Kurumi. Gotta spam Shadow Step or else loads of things just step or keep out of my range so easily.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 12:41:14 2014 No.12055656 Is it possible for panic quests to have platina bells?

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 13:04:09 2014 No.12055693

>>12055593
Consider using Regeneration, it increases the rate at which you recover stamina. And the healing can be nice for long fights. It lasts about 200 turns for me now, after some spamming, and I only have SP issues against crowds of monsters with drain blood, without worshipping Kumiromi.

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 13:23:39 2014 No.12055724

>>12055593
If I *really* need to spam SP-consuming skills, I'll usually pull out the Lucky Dagger and poke with it for a few rounds. However, most fights are either winnable even if I don't bother with SP-consuming abilities or SP isn't the limiting factor-- number of potions or sheer damage intake (taking 1500+ damage/round, for example) is the big issue.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 16:15:39 2014 No.12056110 File: 372 KB, 1024x1200, 39089901.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How do i change location of my character trough save files?

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 20:30:11 2014 No.12056761

>>12055593
>loads of things just step or keep out of my range
your problem is actually lack of speed. get a better mount.

there are two very fast ways of stamina regeneration that hasn't been mentioned yet:

Blood Drain gives +7 stamina per turn. there's nothing stopping you from using it on your pets. you could also sandbag something and use it for noncombat stamina regen.

the sodas from the noyel/ludus festivals regenerate 25 stamina a pop. good for tough boss fights.

>>	Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Mon Apr 21 20:34:34 2014 No.12056776 >>12056761 I used to have a ton of blue capsule drags but i've been seeing less and less rogue bosses lately. Its kind of annoying.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 21 22:05:18 2014 No.12057025 Is the regeneration spell capped at 200 turns?

Anonymous Mon Apr 21 22:38:18 2014 No.12057087

>>12056761
Shoulda said that I was talking about on foot there. While on my pet that problem almost never happens unless it involves a bell or something else with stupid fast speed. Even then though I still kind of find shadow stepping to be a necessity since it covers a ton of distance and gives a hit.

>>12055693
I actually have been Regeneration along with Hero and Speed but I never noticed that it recovered SP. That's pretty neat.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 22 01:01:10 2014 No.12057266 >>12057087 are you the guy playing the fairy? is it some sort of restricted play where you can't ride, can't have pets and can't use ranged weapons? post some stats or something. anyways, you can go to south tyris and convert some AP into base speed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 22 01:04:28 2014 No.12057270 >>12056776 yeah, they don't show up for me either. It could be they stop showing up after a certain fame, or maybe it's related to how many you've killed, or maybe it's because my Luck is too high. you should save your blue capsules for making Soma.

Anonymous Tue Apr 22 02:00:31 2014 No.12057342

I'll ask here.
My laptop has no numpad, and, since apparently Elona+ tries to make up this and i somehow fucked up, it turned out that, if i turn off the game, letters u i o j k and l will get swapped for numbers, but if i turn the game on, it's back to normal. Reboot didn't help. How do i fix it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 22 02:17:02 2014 No.12057373 >>12057342 Num lock.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 22 06:21:47 2014 No.12057727 File: 896 KB, 1250x1250, a15891fca04faa55a0ca4d563ca97340.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12057266 There are a lot of us playing fairies for some reason.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 22 11:19:00 2014 No.12058335 >>12057727 Probably because quite a few of us have dabbled in this game forever and aren't going to toss hundreds or thousands of hours of grinding away.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 22 13:44:45 2014 No.12058703 Aside from the Scythe of Void, Staff of Insanity, and Vital Flayer, can anyone think of any other particularly important/useful equipment items for focusing on spells?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 22 15:28:55 2014 No.12058954 >>12058703 http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Mag-Abyss

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 22 16:08:23 2014 No.12059023 >>12058954 Ah, right, I knew I was forgetting something. Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 22 16:59:49 2014 No.12059090 >>12058703 Does spell enhancement stacks?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 22 17:07:52 2014 No.12059105 >>12059090 Pretty much everything in this game stacks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 22 19:06:47 2014 No.12059354 Can I store money somewhere so I don't lose it when I die? If so, where?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 22 19:25:01 2014 No.12059396 File: 46 KB, 358x339, it was worth it.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] My anorexia treatment in Noyel goes pretty well.

>>	Saegrimr !SHIELDM.mE Tue Apr 22 19:28:07 2014 No.12059402 >>12059354 Kitty banks.

Anonymous Tue Apr 22 19:43:11 2014 No.12059445

>>12058703
Don't forget Otogiri and Buster Book.

You can also get a very high enchantment from a living weapon.

Finally, if you reroll melee weapon artifacts, sometimes the ehchantment shows up.

>>12059090
It stacks up to +200%. For reference: Otogiri = +30%, Mag Abyss = +40%, Vital Flayer = +120%, Living Weapon = +10% per level.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 22 20:31:07 2014 No.12059539 >>12059105 >>12059445 I see, thanks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 22 23:38:13 2014 No.12059883 File: 242 KB, 850x1050, de05bd663a16ddceb8ed618ee8f664c0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Who's your favorite god and what's your class?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 22 23:45:53 2014 No.12059911 >>12059883 Kumiromi, Thief class. Works wonders when combined with Shadow Step, Magic Kiss, Shining Wave and spells.

Anonymous Wed Apr 23 00:31:39 2014 No.12060071

>>12059883
Jure, Farmer (although I used a business card to change the feat to a gunner).

Kinda feel bad for her, seems she's like that since her festival is filled with beating heretics, prostitution, giving body pillows of her, and selling souvenir.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 23 00:31:52 2014 No.12060072 >>12059883 So far my favorite god is Jure even though she's not all that useful once you can cast your own healing spells reliably. I'm an archer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 23 00:33:29 2014 No.12060081 >>12059883 On that topic, what's everyone's stats?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 23 02:13:25 2014 No.12060305 So if ammo gets ruined by acid there's no way to fix it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 23 02:23:46 2014 No.12060318 >>12060305 You can use the pot for fusion to restore it. It's the recipe using a acidproof liquid, a lemon, and the damaged item.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 23 02:25:51 2014 No.12060321 >>12060318 Ah, thanks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 23 16:29:40 2014 No.12061727 >>12059883 Class is Claymore, favorite god is Ehekatl, but the god I use is Lulwy. >>12060081 Base stats: 231/218/236/245/252/239/207/213

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 23 20:51:52 2014 No.12062387 Is using the doujou worth it? I have a level 11 Exile that I can't be bothered to mine gems for.

Anonymous Wed Apr 23 23:14:39 2014 No.12062852

>>12062387
If you're not willing to put effort for your pet, why bother using it at all?

If you use the doujou, the amount of money needed to train it to decent levels would rival or even exceed if you just gave it gems or let it pickpocket and train them on its own.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 24 01:45:52 2014 No.12063230 File: 317 KB, 807x605, gambling_with_wonder2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>12053505 Tried again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 24 05:27:06 2014 No.12063767 >>12063230 >contingency Worth it just for that I'd say. Crystal spear and 4-D pocket seem worthwhile too

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 24 05:59:31 2014 No.12063840 >>12063767 Not that guy, but you can get those three spells from spellbooks.

Anonymous Thu Apr 24 06:14:16 2014 No.12063865

>>12063230
Resurrection is pretty rare, and Mist of Dazzling is new, so it probably doesn't come in a spellbook either. I'd recommend saving the res for a boss fight where you really need your allies, since the relationship loss that you gain back from the res isn't that tough to get back as long as you actually use that ally.

The new mist spell disrupts casting occasionally for a caster that is standing in one of the squares. Seems to be kind of unreliable after doing a quick test. Could be useful if you were desperate, though.

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