/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Did you do them?

[Anonymous No.]

tomorrow

[Anonymous No.]

Why would anyone do this? Anki is boring as fuck.

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>>11964576
It's not that bad. I always find dead time to do my reps.

Beats subway surf IMO.

[Anonymous No.]

Haven't done them in a while, maybe tomorrow I will start over again.

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>>11964576

It's the most efficient way to acquire and retain massive amounts of vocab.

Sure, you could mine out thousands of sentences from VNs and get your vocabulary from that, but that's going to be a huge investment of time to acquire an amount of vocabulary that is far too small to justify the time you spent mining all of these sentences out of native material. Even the learning process itself will be very inefficient since the words you get will be random and not structured based on how common the word is or ordered in such a way that you will be able to systematically develop a knowledge of kanji readings by seeing common words that use same character placed near each other within the deck.

For example, in the Core10k deck you will see things like:

>一通り
>通行
>大通り
>人通り
>見通し
>交通
>通じる
>通す
>通帳

All appearing one after another. It introduces you to a new kanji and a very simple word that it's used in and then it progressively builds upon this by showing you new words that use this kanji along with kanji that you already learned through the same process earlier on in the deck. Of course, it's all accompanied by audio recordings for the word and the example sentence, so you effortlessly pick up the common readings for 通 in the context of actual words and sentences.

Some people might think that it's boring, but the most fun way to learn something is usually the most inefficient way to learn something.

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>>11964510
aint nobody got time for that

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>>11964621

Sorry, Lord of Autism, but I like to have fun.

[Anonymous No.]

i do my anki and then i read but lately ive been watching ripper street and masturbating

[Anonymous No.]

Masturbating, 4chan and shitty phone games posted on /jp/ have taken most of my time lately.
Luckily I'm getting bored of that phone game and I will hopefully have some free time again.

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>>11964680
>>11964674
How do you guys masturbate so long?
I only have the drive for once a day, and that's only for maybe 20 minutes.

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>>11964688
my dick keeps getting hard and i can rub it on and off for an hour or so

anyway doing your anki vocab/kanji decks takes an hour a day at most so its not that big of a deal

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>>11964621
ultimately anki is a supplemental tool and if you don't process that vocab via external texts, language practice, writing etc your effective knowledge will be curtailed significantly.

in practice, when you hear/read a word used contextually you're reinforcing more than just the individual vocabulary in the sentence.

straight kanji/vocab flashcards are less of a pain in the ass too, so i just use the jlpt decks + vocab I don't know

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>>11964739
>anyway doing your anki vocab/kanji decks takes an hour a day at most so its not that big of a deal
I'm sorry but the future won't be so bright....

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>>11964882
what do you mean aniki????

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>>11964815

That's all true, anki alone just isn't enough, but at the same time, vocabulary is like a plant in the sense that you plant that memory seed and then it starts to grow as you nurture it. Anki is just the best way to plant thousands of seeds in a very fast and efficient way and reviews will help you with a fair bit of growing of that memory plant as well.

Either way though, with a very small investment of time you can finish all of the new cards in Core10k in 100 days and get to the point that you only have reviews, all while still having plenty of free time each day to dedicate towards other forms of study that will help reinforce what you were introduced to in anki.

If you assume that you will have about 1,000 cards a day (the review count for 100 a day normally averages out at something far closer to 700, but I'm saying 1,000 to account for the time it takes to go through the new 100 cards) and you go through these cards at a rate of 15 seconds per card then that is 4 hours and 10 minutes of studying.

If you pretend that you're back in school though and you have your average 8 hour school day then you can start breaking that up into smaller chunks. Do 125 cards at the start of each hour for 8 hours, it will take about 30 minutes, and now you have another 30 minutes every hour to dedicate to any other form of studying. You will learn at an extremely fast speed and never work much longer than a grade school student.

In addition to this, the average person stays awake for 16 hours a day, so you still have a spare 8 hours after all of your studying is complete to either take a break or keep studying more.

So to summarize, it's a small investment of time, only 100 days to get 10k vocab under your belt, and an abundant amount of free time for all of the other equally important forms of studying.

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>>11965003
Whoa nigger, just hold on just a second there.
> 8 hours
Ain't nobody got time for that. I mean, you're taking a 4 hour study and expanding it to 8 hours to reduce the tediousness of it, but by how much is that?
> never work much longer than a grade school student.
Dude I dropped out of elementary school at a mere 6 hours a day because I couldn't stand the amount of work. There's no way I would be able to follow this 8-hour program of yours unless it paid off huge (and near-immediately).
> So to summarize, it's a small investment of time, only 100 days
Wow yeah, that's a real small investment there. At only half of your day, no less.
> the average person stays awake for 16 hours a day, so you still have a spare 8 hours
I am not a fan of having less free time than non-free time. Over 50% of my life should be spent having fun. Otherwise, what's the point?

[Anonymous No.]

I do like 500 old and 80 new cards in an hour every day. However I have both kana front and kanji front cards so it's really like 40 words a day.

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>>11965003
i think I limit myself to around 10~15 minutes so I don't end up like this. i use kanjibox though

also it'd make your job a lot easier if just learned enough kanji to guess the readings/meanings for those vocab.

using basic vocabulary is much more important than memorizing advanced vocabulary

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>>11965003
I don't know how you people can learn 100 words a day

I started coreplus (25k+ words?) a few weeks ago and I've been doing 50 new words a day. I did some kanjidamage and all the anki book vocab before, but christ these words in coreplus are killing me

I feel like im only retaining the basic ones or the ones I've already learned in the anki deck, which are fairly basic. I can keep hitting 10 minutes on a card I don't get, but I find myself just looking at it over and over until I memorize it purely based on the fact I just looked at it 5 times in a row, and I don't remember it the next day I see it

I think I just need to take a few days break of not learning any new ones so I can remember my current hard ones, similar to how I reviewed the anki deck for a week or two alone after finishing it to remember the complicated ones

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>>11965344
The problem with Core is it's full of words that aren't terribly useful unless your purpose in learning Japanese is to read newspapers. Since you're using Coreplus, I'd recommend suspending everything but the JLPT cards for now, since they're at least a little more representative of what you're likely to find in weeb media. Then when you're done with those you can go back and do the ones you skipped from Core, and by then your kanji skills should be strong enough that you'll find them a lot easier.

[Anonymous No.]

When you guys do vocabulary reps, do you always press again if you don't remember perfectly?

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>>11966090
yes

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>>11964510
I do them when I wake up and then a review session during the "its not yet time to eat dinner but I don't want to do anything" lull

>>11966090
I press again if its not perfect or I hesitate too long

If I make a grammatical error in a sentence with a particle I will replay it 2-3 times and then hit hard

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>>11965344
Don't worry about what others are doing. And people lie.
Add cards at a pace that you can handle. You don't wanna burn out.
Playing porn games or watching niconama is also a form of studying.

[Anonymous No.]

Why would you use Anki? You are just overloading your brain with words that you don't encounter in natural context. Just read something and it serves the purpose of reviewing words you already know and learning new ones. I never used Anki to learn English and I learned it just fine.

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>>11966178
I have met all words in my Anki deck in natural context. What the hell are you talking about?

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>>11966188
Why do you need to review in Anki if they appear in natural contexts? Doesn't it serve the purpose of reviewing as you read something and the word keeps appearing there from time to time? Or does your Anki deck consist of some very obscure words you've only encountered once?

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>>11966178
It's a great tool for memorizing lots of information in a short amount of time. And because it forces you to systematically repeat what you have learned, it ensures that nothing is forgotten, ever, as long as you do your reps.
It's pretty sweet. Computers are our friends.

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>>11966208
Because appearing rate in natural context is random and appearing interval could be long.

I have added all words I have encountered, but didn't know.

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>>11966233
If it doesn't appear then why would you bother reviewing it since you have no use for it?

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>>11966246
When did I say words don't appear?

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>>11966246
Anki review time is stable. Encounter time in natural context depends on your reading speed.

Once you're reading fluently except for that one word every paragraph, you can stop using Anki. But when you're just starting, you're going to forget most of the words before you see them next time not because they're useless, but because you're too slow and there's so much new material in every new sentence.

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>>11966271
it's more that you don't retain them because they go unused, which is why methodical approaches tend to structure vocabulary around aspects of daily life.

flashcards will help you review, but they're especially lousy for building a foundation. plus you're evaluating yourself on your own progress and correctness, so there's no feedback.

anyone use aozorabunko much? I got a kindle pw and the typesetting applets out there are really nice, I haven't run into any problems and the dictionary thing is really helpful

I am reading 河童, しゃべり姫,

also hidasketch, manga works surprisingly well

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>>11964621
>Some people might think that it's boring, but the most fun way to learn something is usually the most inefficient way to learn something.
Whether something is 'efficient' obviously depends on what you're trying to achieve.
If you're learning Japanese as a hobby then 'fun' is really the whole point. You only want to read Japanese VNs or whatever because it's fun. In that case, a fun method is very efficient. It achieves your desired outcome.
On the other hand, if your goal is to pass JLPT1 by the end of the financial year because you're gunning for that promotion in your firm's Tokyo office and you want to impress the selection committee, then yeah, having fun is inefficient.

I wonder which category most /jp/sies fall into.

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>>11966374
Now you are clearly confusing studying and utilizing Japanese. Most of here study Japanese because they want to have fun with it, but argument is, whenever having fun while studying is effective or not.

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>>11966524
Let's rephrase that. Is not having fun while studying effective, or not?

The answer? It stops being effective when it makes you stop studying. Efficiency and effectiveness are two different things. Efficiency saves work and time. Effectiveness yields effects.

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>>11966618
Well I meant efficiency, but in this context it hardly matters.

But in language learning methods which are considered boring and not-fun are efficient while fun methods are inefficient. Goal has nothing to do with it.

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Does anyone use Japanese Wikipedia for reading practice? I often find myself following random links on the English Wikipedia until 3 or 4 hours later I've got 120 tabs open and completely forgotten what I was originally looking up. I wonder if I could turn that habit into something useful.

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>>11966779
答えて下さい

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>>11967078
I don't actually read anything. I just do flashcards. Sometimes I watch anime and can kind of understand what's going on.

[Anonymous No.]

so all of you who put in more than 2 hours a day are NEET, right?

[Anonymous No.]

The GED test is tomorrow. No time for this!

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>>11967783
I'm NEET and I put a lot less than 2 hours a day.

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>>11967783
Self-study is a form of education.

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>>11967871

Not in the eyes of the government, who created the definition of NEET in the first place.

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>>11965003
No way. I'm willing to bet that 99% of learners or even anki'er's can't do that even with a crazy willpower. Suffice to say, learning brand new vocab takes more time than usual, and anki will microwave your brain in 1-2 hours. This is the equivalent of jogging a marathon a day for 100 days with little prior training (=prior vocab or anki experience)

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>>11968255

>and anki will microwave your brain in 1-2 hours

Your mind eventually adapts to it. I just spent the last 5 hours knocking out my reps and new cards and now it's time to mine through 大帝国 for the next 5 hours of my daily practice. I alternate every hour between doing my reps on the PC and doing my reps with the anki app on my kindle, so that way I spice it up a bit by walking around while I do my reps.

To be completely honest though, I have to use study pills, but I always assumed that was just from my lack of willpower and that other people with more willpower could do the same without pills. Without these things then I can't do an hour without feeling exhausted.

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>>11968270
Damn, sounds like I need to get me some of those study pills.

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I used to do 50 new cards a day, then 30 then 20 then stopped, picked it up again and drop again.
I'll try to start all over again, but this time I'll do vocab+kanji following the JLPT lists.

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>>11968270
How many new cards do you add per day? That seems to be the limiting factor for me.

Even if I miss a day or two and end up with almost 300 cards due I can still finish if I split up my sessions, but I can't sustain more than 15 or 20 new cards per day if I'm doing it daily.

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>>11968270
Do you do nothing at all but study Japanese and post on /jp/?

[Anonymous No.]

out of curiosity, how many of you guys do writing/listening/speaking practice and to what extent? what sort of stuff have you been getting hung up on, or what have you been doing well with?

I haven't really been watching much anime, but I'm trying to find something visually appetizing. I'm looking forward to how Ping Pong turns out. 同音異義語 (homophonic but not necessarily related words) aren't so bad for me, but 多義語 (words which have a variety of spellings and contextualized meanings, like かたい→硬い・堅い・固い、変わる・換わる・代わる) have been bugging me lately.

also when I'm feeling lazy ero-manga are pretty easy generally, but fun.

>>11968270
it's called amphetamines, not "study pills"

what sort of japanese stuff do you read on your kindle? are you pretty comfortable using a japanese dictionary?

>>11967078
>>11966779
sparingly

>>11966649
this is perhaps the stupidest line of thought I've seen in a while. suffering and tedium aren't going to make you smarter, and immersion is ostensibly pretty fun despite being very effective. or you could make japanese friends/romance a native speaker

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>>11968724

I do 100 each day for vocab, but I don't do it all at once. For example, if if I have maybe 800 reviews for the day then I'll usually alternate and do something like 25 new words, then focus on reviews and do 200 of those, switch back for 25 new words, then 200 reviews, 25 new, 200 reviews, 25 new, 200 review, and then done with vocab for the day.

I think I'm just used to it because back when I was doing the kanji deck for the jouyou I was normally doing 200 new cards a day. I was only memorizing the keywords though. I know that some people skip that and just start with vocab, but I wasn't able to start with vocab right away because kanji all looked the same to me and I was mixing everything up. 200 a day was like being in hell every day, even though it was just kanji. The review counts were colossal and every day they got bigger, it took entire days sometimes. It got to the point that I ended up putting my bottle of stimulants next to my bed so that I could take them while I was in bed and eventually they would kick in and the pills would give me the motivation to get up and start studying since I hated it so much that I couldn't get out of bed without them. Even though I technically finished the deck all of the new cards in about 11 days, it took a long time before that massive review count dropped down to the 50-100 a day that it's currently at.

So after moving to vocab right after that hellish experience, 100 a day felt almost relaxing to me. The best way to make doing 100 a day feel easy is to force yourself to get used to doing 200 a day.

>>11968784

More or less. Sometimes I have a few hours to spare because I'll be awake for 16 hours and I can only get about 10-12 hours of coverage with the pills, but by then the pills will have worn off and I feel exhausted. That's where I'm at right now. I'm not physically tired and I can't sleep because of residual stimulation that hasn't worn off, but I feel mentally exhausted and kind of like a zombie.

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I have no idea how you guys can study without breaks without using drugs like >>11968784.

I put in about 4.5 hours a day of active study, ~1.5 hours of which is anki and I have to break it up into a morning midday and late night thing.

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>>11968814
do you know any japanese yet

[Anonymous No.]

20-30 minute a day

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>>11968827

Kind of. I can read a lot of things, but there's even more that I can't read at all. I'm almost finished with Core10k and I should be done by the end of the month. Well, I guess it's not true to say that I will be finished with it though because finishing all of the new cards is really just the beginning of the end and then it will be many more months of reviewing.

All of that vocab study only takes half of my study day though and the rest is devoted to trying to read native material, usually VNs. So I can read a lot of that, but the VNs that I play are pretty simple and it takes a long time because I don't use text-hookers. I don't want to get addicted to the convenience of having instant dictionary look-ups, so I manually look up everything. This significantly slows down my reading speed, but I feel that it helps with retention.

So overall, maybe I'm at an intermediate or lower intermediate level of understanding Japanese. Still a very long way to go.

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>>11968813

>what sort of japanese stuff do you read on your kindle?

Oh, I don't read any Japanese things on my kindle. I don't really use it for anything other than the anki app though, I just don't have the time to spare to read English books anymore, but I use that app every day.

>are you pretty comfortable using a japanese dictionary?

A J-J dictionary? I haven't started using one yet. I figured it would be a bit early to start doing that if I don't even know 10,000 words yet.

[Anonymous No.]

What do you listen to when you do your reps?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPQ3jmBUX8s

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>>11968877
http://www.rainymood.com/
or nothing

[Anonymous No.]

10K deck fucking sucks, the worst part is the obviously non-native speakers reading some of the sentences, especially that one faggy sounding white guy

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>>11968863
>>11968846
Is this the same person?

Have you looked into other materiel asides from VNs? Those are sort of kimoi

I have no idea how core10k works but wouldn't it be way easier to just use kanji deck and have a small vocab deck with irregular readings?

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>>11968906
yeah no one speaks like that

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>>11968877
I usually watch a Japanese variety show

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>>11968863
you started a few months ago right? if you use the JJ dictionary then you'll be practicing your japanese when you look up stuff, so it's fine.

plus the definition text for basic words will give you a good idea of what is "basic" Japanese, in fact they're probably a much better representative than 10k.

here's a converter for parsing aozora text files into nicely typeset epub/mobi files

http://www18.atwiki.jp/hmdev/pages/21.html

and here are some (up to) middle school level texts from aozora

http://yozora.kazumi386.org/9/1/ndck913.html

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>>11968946
not that guy but check the samples on this
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/3629073626

if you think these are all l1 speakers you are wrong

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>>11968953
>https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/3629073626
l1?

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>>11964576

I didn't like it at first, but then I sort of learned how to use its rating system.

I was really enjoying it the last two days I used it (learning more than half the Hiragana), but for one reason or another it just dumped 10 new characters on me.

Slowly introducing 1 or 2 characters while refreshing on characters you already understand makes it easy as hell to learn those new characters.
But now I'm annoyed because I don't immediately know how to reset Anki so that I can get back to that point.
I'll figure it out tomorrow. It's 6:30am and I'm tired as hell.

TL;DR it's a great program as long as you're not retarded.
But the fact I'm having such trouble with Kana makes me scared as fuck about Kanji+Vocab.
This is gonna be a rough fucking ride.

[Anonymous No.]

At least you're not this guy!
http://youtu.be/zMTYnfTI97Y

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>>11968943

Yeah, those are both me.

I practice with things other than VNs, but it can be a bit tricky to find material since I'm not really that interested in a lot of manga and if it's a game with a lot of cutscenes then I have a hard time keeping up with it since my listening skills need a lot of improvement. I imported a Japanese 3DS awhile back, so I try to get a lot of use out of that and a good portion of my practice comes from games that I download from the Nintendo store. I'm looking forward to the new Love Plus that I think is coming out in about two weeks, that should be good for some easier, more relaxing practice and possibly even some speaking practice if the voice recognition/talk to your Love Plus girlfriend aspect of the game is still included.

As for core10k though, I mostly just like it because of the way that it's ordered. It's very easy to memorize readings because of the way that the ordering of the deck introduces you to a previously unseen kanji by showing a bunch of words that give you examples of its various readings and overall it just makes it a lot easier for me to memorize new words since I become very familiar with the readings. I have some smaller vocab decks on the side that I've created, pretty much just stuff that I've mined from games and weren't included in the 10k deck as far as I could tell.

>but wouldn't it be way easier to just use kanji deck

I tried something like that once, but studying kanji readings individually doesn't really work for me. I need some kind of vocab and sentence context, preferably with audio, for me to remember readings. I barely managed to get through that one kanji deck and I was just memorizing the English keywords. I think I'm just really bad with mnemonics.

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>>11968967
Your story would be a lot more believable if you posted your Anki graph, but I'm sure you'll make an excuse as to why you can't ("you don't have to believe me, doesn't matter to me!", etc).

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>>11968965
that's pretty good for two months, but it's rude to talk for that long by yourself

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>>11968972
That's shitty for 2 months. He wasn't even learning kanji, just how to speak. You could reach his level with a week of pimsleur.

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>>11968965
English speakers Japanese accent is so horrible

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>>11968964
just start with one row at a time

for example:
the ka-row: かきくけこ

and don't be in such a rush, it'll take a few years to be able to read decently

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>>11968980
It is one of the worst accents I have ever heard for sure

I don't get why anyone would study speaking without trying to perfect articulation

learning a language while skipping the phonetic inventory is like learning to drive without knowing how to start a car

[Anonymous No.]

How are you supposed to mark your anki cards?

I feel guilty if I click anything above "hard"

[Anonymous No.]

Why does word for society have a picture of a little girl with a black eye?

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>>11968988
Why are you using an Anki deck with pictures?

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>>11968975
>>11968980
>>11968986
pls dont bully

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>>11968990
He admitted that he was a failure though so it's not bullying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968990
he is a scam artist and a fraud
id kick him in the balls if i could

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968989
no bully

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968996
i'll bully you over 9000 times lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968997
dont
pls

[Anonymous No.]

I've been practicing Japanese a lot and I'm almost fluent.

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0i3aiTRGCF6

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>>11968988
I lol'd a little

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>>11968988
I removed the image for this one, just like I remove some sounds that yell.

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>>11969065
勝った万歳！！！！！！

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968988
日本の社会はそんなもんだ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>11968988

The nail that sticks out gets hammered down.

[Anonymous No.]

ｙｏｕ　ｃａｎｔ　ｌｅａｒｎ　ｊａｐａｎｅｓｅ

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>>11964621
Anki is useful but I'm having problem remembering complex kanji structures.
If I see them while doing my reps I can say what it means because I know such a word is in my deck but if I see them in another contex I end up confusing them. Writing all the words I'm learning would be better to remember them but I'm not interested in it.

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>>11968877
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIXVhzh-EBM&list=PLWUnPw6NpxHAz5KuyPw9YJjzRZxAubUB4&index=2
About half the time low-key music, and half of the time nothing.

>>11968953
>https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/3629073626
I don't know about past that, but at least for the first 2000 cards, the speakers seem to be all native.

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>>11968877
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIXVhzh-EBM&list=PLWUnPw6NpxHAz5KuyPw9YJjzRZxAubUB4&index=2 [Embed]
About half the time low-key music, and half of the time nothing.

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>>11969638

should have done heisig

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder why so many people seem to dislike KanjiDamage.
I started doing KD about a year ago and I'm 90% through, learning on/kun/ readings and most jukugo, both reading and writing. Every time I get a new kanji, I put it into jisho.org to see how it's written. People say there's alot of wrong info in KanjiDamage, but after more than 1500 Kanji I've yet to find an example of that. Sure, he makes up his own meanings for some of the very basic radicals, but it's not like that matters. I wonder what I should do after KD, since quite a few important kanji aren't in there.
Also doing Core 2K right now, 30 a day. Slowly getting there.

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>>11969742
I've leraned kanji using KD and honestly I think I'd be much better off with RTK. The biggest problem about it is that you learn really useful kanji REALLY late. If you want to read VNs as fast as possible you'll eventually learn them by immersion since you'll take like one thousand kanji just to learn crap like 使う and 177 for 巡.

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>>11969742
KD is like RTK except bad and full of the painfully unfunny kike humor

>I wonder what I should do after KD
Probably kill yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>11969753
*1700 for 巡

[Anonymous No.]

I think that it's best to learn kanji in the order the Japanese learn them BUT when you come across a kanji that has another kanji in it as a radical then you study that too.

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>>11969687
>>11969638
RTK is shit.
Anyone with the same problem as me?

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>>11970297
Other people who thought they'll "learn kanji with vocab".

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>>11970316
Your point?
How did you learn them?

[Anonymous No.]

I will feast on what is inside.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11970321
As standalone semantic objects, so while you struggle to process long compounds, I can easily identify them as sums of their parts. The easier the longer they are.

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>>11970338
I try to remember them as sums of many symbols as well.

[Anonymous No.]

The problem with kanji for me is that their words have different pronunciations for the same kanji.

For instance: 大

Could be pronounced oo, dai, or tai depending on the word. So, while I know the meaning of the compound word more or less, I wouldn't know how to express it verbally unless I looked it up in the dictionary.

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>>11969069
皆さん、こんにちはあぁぁ～！

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>>11969069
>mfw I learnt what 社会 mean
Core 10k is being useful after all.

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>>11970349
How do you remember how to pronounce the letter 'a' in different words without looking up from a dictionary?

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>>11970347
But you fail because you don't know the symbols yet.

>>11970349
Wait 'til you get to 大人 and 大和.

Words need to be memorized separately, you won't avoid that. Of course it's much, much easier when you already know what they mean and have only a few possible pronunciations to choose from.

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>>11970398
I think you're right, I don't understand why my version of core10k doesn't show first the simple ones and then the compounds. I am using it because it was suggested few days ago.

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>>11970412
This must be configurable somewhere. I wouldn't know how, though. Even when using downloaded decks, I always manually hand-picked new cards to learn. So there's always that option.

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>>11970432
I thought they were ordered from the most used to the less one.
I am using core10kv4 if you know it.

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>>11970434
Don't know that deck, but I believe all Core decks are ordered. The problem is making Anki respect the ordering. Supposedly the "reposition" command in the browser does the trick, but I've never used it and wouldn't know how.

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>>11970448
When I click reposition it says only new cards can be repositioned.

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>>11970448
Which deck did you use?

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How do you reset a deck so that the "Again", "Good", and "easy" timings are default?

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>>11970349
typically you have on readings (chinese) in most kanji compounds (ex 大丈夫、大事), and kun readings (japanese) for anything mixed with hiragana (ex 大きい) along with some kanji components （大人）.

Dictionaries will often note this by listing the on readings in katakana (as they're foreign in origin) and kun readings in hiragana. the tai/dai thing is mostly for ease of pronunciation, like daiji instead of taiji, but it'll usually be the unmodified one (in this case tai). It's a matter of practice more than a clear rule.

so for 大 the main ones you'll want to memorize will be
on: たい・だい
kun: おお

>>11970338
ok good luck with that

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>>11970388
Because knowledge of English is tacit for first language speakers. L1 and L2 acquisition are extremely different. Can you please stop spouting your stupidity over this thread?

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>>11969799
That order is only good if you are 7 years old.

For gaijin:
Learn simple shapes first and use them to remember complex ones.
or
Learn by reading something what interests you.

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>>11971608
>the tai/dai thing is mostly for ease of pronunciation
Wrong. It's kan-on and go-on, respectively, two entirely different pronunciations. You're mixing it up with rendaku, but rendaku does not (usually) apply to Sino-Japanese words because they were adapted as-is. They're pronounced differently solely depending on time and region of China they were borrowed from.

>good luck
There's no luck. Only skills and knowledge.

>>11971644
He made a very good point. An English speaker has no reason to assume the pronunciation will be deducible from spelling.

Also, you shouldn't assume people here are native English speakers.

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>>11971710
>He made a very good point
You really shouldn't refer to yourself in the third person, it's pretty embarrassing.

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which deck shows stroke orders?

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>>11971716
Don't play dumb.

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>>11971715
Use KanjiStrokeOrder font on kanji fields, and you've got yourself stroke order.

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>>11971727
oh man thanks! makes it so much easier

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Anyone who knows how to change order of cards in my deck?
I'm using core10kv4 but it makes me learn jukugo before simple kanji and I don't think that's gonna work.
What should I do?

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>>11971842
Core10k isn't meant for learning kanji.

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>>11971847
I trusted what someone said in the previous thread and if I could change the cards' order it would be perfect as it has everything.
What do you suggest to use?

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>>11971855
Why can't you just use it? Stop telling yourself you need to know simple kanji first, just go through the deck it's fine.

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>>11972088
Because when you start having hundreds of kanji to review it's easy to confuse them if they are similar and you haven't studied the basic ones yet.
Anyway I started using another deck that is corePLUS with the jlpt5 words, and once I learn those I'll add the others. Seems more reasonable than studying 自然 before 自 and 然

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I forgot how to read 糠 yesterday and it made me sad.

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>>11972178
Maybe you just underestimate yourself. I didn't learn kanji before I started learning vocabulary and I had no problems at all. 90%+ 50 words a day for the first 6 months.

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>>11972257
I think this depends from person to person. I noticed I was having trouble with kanji so I just learned them, and everything worked well for me.

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>>11972257
You may be right but I think I'll start with jlpt5 nonetheless being less risky.

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>>11972305
2001 Kanji Odyssey is a good alternative.

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>>11972322
Isn't this with fee?
Otherwise I've never heard of it, is it like anki?

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>>11968903
That is exactly what I listen to. But only when there's a lot of outside noise.

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>>11971710
It's easier to pronounce things in English, even if you've never seen the word before. You just won't know the definition. Usually, when it is pronounced wrong, it is because it was a foreign word and even then, you could be close.

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>>11964510
I-I'm studying grammar t-today!! y-yes!!

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Is it important for me to perfectly memorize everything about conjugation if I only intend to read/listen to Japanese?

I don't have any intention of ever speaking or writing in Japanese and from what I've read so far it seems like Japanese conjugation follows a very easy to identify pattern that makes conjugation only difficult if you're writing/speaking and have to conjugate the words by yourself, rather than in reading or listening where you're receiving words that are already conjugated. Is that true or am I wrong about that?I

>話す to past tense 話した
>着る to negative tense 着ない
>買う to negative tense 買わない
>捨てる to negative tense 捨てない
>捨てない to past-negative tense 捨てなかった

That's really easy to notice the conjugation differences and they seem to be almost the same as it was with adjectives, but the hard part for me would be memorizing all of the different shifts like う to わ before adding ない. Do I really need to know that if I'm just reading though? The endings seem to be the part that tells you what its conjugated to and those stick out like a sore thumb.

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fuck off weebs

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fuck off weebs

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fuck off weebs

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>>11974604
You'll learn them by experience. If you have read this kind of stuff from grammar book, you have hunch that this is how conjugation works. When you encounter such phrase, you can easily find out what it means.

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What resources should I use to learn Kanji with a focus on reading rather than writing?

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>>11975491
just do a google image search for dicks and you'll find something

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>>11974604
It might help you if you know that 買う was originally /kaFu/ and the /F/ dropped before every vowel other than /a/ (before a it becomes /w/), so the underlying stem never really changes there.

Or it might not help.

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>>11964510
I've just started Hirigana and Katakana with this and it's amazing once I did it every day. I'm looking forward to kanji since I already learned both Chinese and Korean, and can already infer most meanings when I see a character.

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>>11975739
If you've mastered those two languages, japanese probably won't take more than one year to reach a considerable level.

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>>11975706
So, like this?
買ふ　－　買はない

My autism likes this, because it uses the は行 only. It looks neater.

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>>11975747
I wouldn't say mastered. I'm a fluent speaker in both, and can write fairly well. But I'm definitely looking forward to starting kanji soon.

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>>11975771
Yeah, that's how it was written from the Heian period until the war.

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>>11975795
... well, classical didn't use the simple -nai suffix

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>>11968964
They're not gonna sink in if you just look at them. Say them, write them 100 times, move onto the next one. Small steps, anon, small steps. Do this every day until you can remember them all. Time spent learning the kana until you're 100% comfortable with them is not time wasted.

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>>11975706
Actual etymology aside, it makes more sense to just think of う as "wu", and of the remaining conjugation forms as ゑ, ゐ and を (currently pronounced as and represented by え, い and お, respectively).

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I'm so happy that I decided to start using that core 10k deck. Had almost a half-year break from studying as I couldn't stand grinding only kanji meanings. Studying vocabulary feels already much more very rewarding as I get used to where the words and readings are used.

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Okay, so I think it was a good idea for me to start learning vocabulary instead of kanji meanings and readings by itself. I couldn't stay motivated only cramming kanji, but this way not only can I stand the grind, but studying is finally fun again.

Currently it feels like I'm able to stay motivated enough to actually move on to reading some visual novels. It doesn't feel like an insurmountable obstacle anymore.

We'll see, we'll see, but time is the one thing I do have as a NEET.

[Anonymous No.]

Done!

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Do your reps dude!

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>>11981255
You'll give up after a week.

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I've done them but I'm getting demotivated by the additional obstacle to reading that the use of kanji presents. I just tried reading 黄金の羅針盤 (The Golden Compass) in Japanese and could barely understand anything, even though some words had furigana. Would light novels be better to start with?

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How many total hours have you guys logged in anki and what are your proficiency levels?

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>>11985108
Hours spent on Anki hardly have anything to do with proficiency. Proficiency comes from utilizing language. Anki just helps to remember words.

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>>11985137
Or you could not be autistic and answer the question

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>>11985108
174 hours
Don't know. I can read a lot now and whenever I have difficulties it's mostly vocab/kanji which is easily and quickly remedied by rikai.

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>>11985108
123
1n

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>>11984970
I'm going to prove you wrong! I'm so happy right now that I was able to watch some anime and understand most of what was going on. Sure I do miss many words, but sentences already feel like they consist of words instead of mass of hiragana.

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>>11984970
I'm going to prove you wrong! I'm so happy right now that I was able to watch some anime and understand most of what was going on. Sure I do miss many words, but sentences already feel like they consist of words instead of a mass of hiragana.

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Do your reps!

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>>11985108
460 hours

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>>11987901
And proficiency levels...?

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>>11987917
464 hours now

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>>11985108
I have 80 hours and zero proficiency. They're all in RTK, but I'm finally almost done.

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>>11988691
Why are you trying to impersonate me?

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Convince me not to skip a day.

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>>11990086
you're probably gonna skip anyway, why bother

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I am using an Anki deck to teach me the Jouyou kanji. But I am not balancing that with a vocab deck because I can't find a good one.

I think I was using core 2k and right off the bat it started giving me really complex vocab with 4+ kanji I'd never seen before.

Is there some kind of vocab that deck that will teach me them in a similar order to the order of the JLPT system?

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>>11990128
The JLPT vocabulary decks?

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>>11990086
I take Saturdays and Sundays off.

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A-anon kun? Planning to study today too?

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>>11992442
Why bother?

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>>11992442
I have 300 to review and 200 new ones

[Anonymous No.]

I installed an android application called Kotoba-chan and it is somewhat decent.