Trade treaty Provisions set to decimate japanese culture

[Anonymous No.]

/g/ here. Thought you guys might want to know about this-

>Ken Akamatsu, creator of Love Hina and Mahou Sensei Negima!, expressed concern the agreement could decimate the derivative dōjinshi (self-published) works prevalent in Japan. Akamatsu argues that the TPP "would destroy derivative dōjinshi. And as a result, the power of the entire manga industry would also diminish." Kensaku Fukui, a lawyer and a Nihon University professor, expressed concerns that the TPP could allow companies to restrict or stop imports and exports of intellectual property, such as licensed merchandise. For example, IP holders could restrict or stop importers from shipping merchandise such as DVDs and other related goods related to an anime or manga property into one country to protect local distribution of licensed merchandise already in the country via local licensors.[74]

>At a NicoNico live seminar called How Would TPP Change the Net and Copyrights? An In-Depth Examination: From Extending Copyright Terms to Changing the Law to Allow Unilateral Enforcement and Statutory Damages, artist Kazuhiko Hachiya warned that cosplay could also fall under the TPP, and such an agreement could give law enforcement officials broad interpretive authority in dictating how people could dress up. Critics also have derided the agreement could also harm Japanese culture, where some segments have developed through parody works.[75]

https://en wikipedia org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership

Under this agreement, 90% of the images on this board would be considered copyright infringement. If you happen to be in any of the countries listed on the TPP, please contact your representatives. I like having you guys around, and don't wanna see you get v& over some bullshit agreement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619128
tldr

[Anonymous No.]

>Ken Akamatsu, creator of Love Hina and Mahou Sensei Negima!, expressed concern the agreement could decimate the derivative dōjinshi (self-published) works prevalent in Japan. Akamatsu argues that the TPP "would destroy derivative dōjinshi. And as a result, the power of the entire manga industry would also diminish." Kensaku Fukui, a lawyer and a Nihon University professor, expressed concerns that the TPP could allow companies to restrict or stop imports and exports of intellectual property, such as licensed merchandise. For example, IP holders could restrict or stop importers from shipping merchandise such as DVDs and other related goods related to an anime or manga property into one country to protect local distribution of licensed merchandise already in the country via local licensors.[74]

>Looks at Kadokawa Games and DMM's release of Kantai Collection

>Looks at Toranoana and Melonbooks' shipping policies

Yeah, as if the Japs themselves don't do this shit already.

[Anonymous No.]

I am a New Zealand resident and I could probably contact someone but I don't think it would do alot of good. Further reading?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619135
TLDR- trade agreement being discussed on the 19th bans derivative dojuns, and makes it even harder to import animus. It also makes it illegal to share non-licenced images of characters. Posting fan art or cosplaying would be the legal equivalent of piracy.

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>>11619150
Wikileaks press release
>https://wikileaks.org/tpp/pressrelease.html

Full leaked text of the treaty
>https://wikileaks.org/tpp/

Electronic Frontier's foundation's article
>https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp

[Anonymous No.]

https://wikileaks.org/tpp/
https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp

[Anonymous No.]

They're coming for our kig threads!

[Anonymous No.]

This is one of those thing that can't be stopped and everyone would have to live with. Why bother?

[Anonymous No.]

Why would you think this is a good idea?
Certainly our product will sell better if we make it illegal to discuss it in any significant way.

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>>11619181
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act

Legislators are in the business of getting re-elected. Telling them that you will donate every cent you own to the opposition campaign if they vote for something is an excellent way to get shit done.

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>>11619192
>Implying the boardroom members that pushed for these provisions have any idea how the internet works.

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>>11619206
I don't think that addresses his point. It is true. Some of that lobby money keeping weed illegal is coming from successful weed sellers.

However, I see this being about control just as much as money. No matter what happens it's import to buck up against the enforcement of victimless and intellectual crimes.

[Anonymous No.]

>Akamatsu argues that the TPP "would destroy derivative dōjinshi.

Good.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm just so tired of worrying about these things. Honestly, it feels like a bill or treaty like this pops up every other month, and none of them work out.
What makes this one any different?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619244

Because they'll keep proposing them until enough people get complacent about them that one does pass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619247
It doesn't take much attention to say "No, fuck that, go away."

[Anonymous No.]

Say goodbye to doujins.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619249
Takes even less effort to ignore...

[Anonymous No.]

Why the fuck would japan want to crack down on its copyright laws EVEN MORE?

They're already strict as all fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619269
They want to stick everyone in the treaty with the same copyright laws.

[lando No.]

well shit... i blame america

[Anonymous No.]

It's like the Japanese version of SOPA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619533
It's the global version of SOPA

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619595
but it has nothing to do with online

[Anonymous No.]

http://en.rocketnews24.com/2013/11/13/too-hot-to-be-a-nerd-we-visit-the-fabled-animate-worker-who-has-the-ladies-of-the-internet-talking/
Look how girly he is
All women are secretly dykes
All mean are secretly pedos

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>>11619600
Do you really think it will not cover online distribution of copyrighted material?

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>>11619614
it isnt in there so no its the same as the current copyright laws

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619614
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619606

fake otaku, recommending shonen sports manga

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619625

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619625
He's a salesman, not a critic.

[Anonymous No.]

>90% of the images on this board would be considered copyright infringement
That's already the case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619665
They really need to just give up on this whole "policing the internet" thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619675
it's not just the internet. it seems like they are dictating what you can and can't watch on tv, read, listen to, etc.

there is something very wrong with this and it seems the majority of the world is too fucking thick to understand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619683
I will admit I didn't actually read the article or the thread.
I was just commenting about the futility of trying to remove "copyright infringing images" from the internet.

But yeah the TPP is an entirely new level of stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>Under this agreement, 90% of the images on this board would be considered copyright infringement.

Actually, ZUN has explicitly allowed most uses of his intellectual property in derivative works, that alone puts a majority of /jp/ in the clear.

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>>11619685
read the eff's take on the whole thing as it should be easier to understand.

when you're finished, let everyone in your social circle know about this noxious pos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619700
>let everyone in your social circle know
But.. you guys already read it before me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619705
:3 well let your mum know. and get her to tell her friends, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhwNxPs4pjQ

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>>11619683
Well unless they're planning on going full NWO thought police, it doesn't matter how thick people are. There's a don't-give-a-fuck point that they reach. It's why prohibition failed, it's why the war on drugs failed, it's why underage b& aren't going to stop having sex with whoever no matter the laws, it's why doujinshi even exist even though they are technically already infringing if they use an IP anyway.

People still upload and download movies, music, tv shows, games and don't give a fuck, and no matter what copyright laws thy try, they still won't give a fuck in the future unless they start going Judge Dredd on people.

>>11619128
And seriously, no one is going to stop cosplaying because someone told them they can't wear so-and-so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619711
there are people doing time in japan for sharing over the internet.

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>>11619717
Yeah, distributors.

This is why you don't seed torrents, kids!

[Anonymous No.]

TPP is going to be yet another disaster for the current administration. Thank you based wikileaks.

I doubt it will go through now that everyone knows about it.
The problem is that we are engaged in a whack-a-mole game with every new bill trying to fuck over the internet/copyrights.

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>>11619744
http://torrentfreak.com/anti-downloading-law-hits-japan-up-to-2-years-in-prison-from-today-121001/

also read this - https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/09/vietnams-internet-censorship-bill-goes-effect

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619766
not taking the piss out of the non-anglo speaking nations involved but the english used may be slightly beyond their level of comprehension. i would also suspect the interpreters they use as they could be on the take.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619769
Welp.

>>11619766
>The problem is that we are engaged in a whack-a-mole game with every new bill trying to fuck over the internet/copyrights.
Seriously, there should be some kind of law against this practice.
You shouldn't be able to push the same fucking bill over and over with a single word changed untill everybody gives up out of sheer frustration.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619777
If there was a limit on that, no bill would ever be passed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619744
You mean the original uploaders.

[Anonymous No.]

Ken Akamatsu is a faggot:
http://web.archive.org/web/20051104075447/http://matthew.animeblogger.net/archives/2005/07/20/wednesday_notes_akamatsu-sensei_talks_moe.php

[Anonymous No.]

What's the problem?

If any bully officers come to your house then you just shoot them. It's the American way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619807
I want to fuck that little girl

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619717
>there are people doing time in japan for sharing over the internet.
People did time for breaking alcohol, sex, and drug laws.
People got sued for distributing music and videos.
Some ants got stepped on while gathering food dropped on the ground.

Unless they're planning on throwing everyone in jail, it's not going to be much more effective.

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>>11619875
TPP will enable them to do just that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619875
I don't see what the ants have anything to do with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619879
The ants aren't going to stop collecting the food because a few of them died any more than people are going to stop pirating or getting high because a few people got arrested or sued.

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>>11619875
They don't need to arrest everyone, just the uploaders. It kind of worked with eroge.

[Anonymous No.]

Treaties != law

Any relevant bills will still have to be passed in the diet, the executive can't just have an imperial order decreed...

[Anonymous No.]

why is a trade treaty trying to enforce SOPA-like conditions? is this normal of trade treaties? why are japanese the only ones who are concerned, when other potential signatories, like the US, went apeshit over SOPA and the like.

[Anonymous No.]

We already had this thread like, nine times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619877
Enabled isn't the same as doing. No one is going to go to comiket and arrest all the cosplayers, doujin sellers, and bootleg modellers under copyright laws.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619887
There's an inherent problem if you arrest an uploader after the work is uploaded.

Even if eroge stopped being uploaded in japan or whatever, some company will try to sell them overseas with translation and that will be pirated instead.

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>>11619891
america army protect japan. they do america tell them or no army.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619897
You’re post-90′s generation, right? …I’ve rarely seen such mental retardation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619905
This entire thread is full of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619897
They have an army of their own in all but name.

[Anonymous No.]

http://stoptppaction.blogspot.jp/
ばんば！

[Anonymous No.]

http://stoptppaction.blogspot.jp/
がんば！

[Anonymous No.]

What sort of pleb lives in a country bordering the Pacific Ocean, honestly? Atlantic Ocean master race.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619947
the only two countries that matter on jp border both oceans

[Anonymous No.]

People import Negima and Love Hina merchandise? lol not likely fgt.

[Anonymous No.]

>/g/ here.
Stopped reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619151
>cosplaying would be the legal equivalent of piracy
No more milk spam? Sign me up.

[Anonymous No.]

>implying they can arrest me
I feel sorry for you goyim though lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619975
USA and ...?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11620352
Korea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11620355
Korea doesn't border both oceans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11620352
Canada, Mexico, Panama, Costa Rica, Colombia.
But you're right that USA is the only one that matters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11620352
US and Canada are the only two countries that should be allowed to post on 4chan

[Anonymous No.]

I feel good for living in a shithole now. Enjoy getting v& idiots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11620365
>Colombia
>not mattering

B-But muh cocaine and women!

[Anonymous No.]

>agreement could decimate the derivative dōjinshi

Good. I see nothing wrong here.

If a work is derivative the copyright holders should have all the rights to it. BTW, isn't derivative dojinshi ALREADY illegal in Japan? Most copyright holders just let it be, because many of them themselves have their roots in dojinshi business.

Nintendo for example doesn't allow disgusting lewd dojinshi to be made, and has succesfully applied the current law to such cases.


Also, on a related note, the USA practice of making a lewd movie like
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/can-superhero-parodies-rescue-porn-business
and calling it a parody, even though it is propably completely serious in tone, is insane. These should be illegal aswell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11619128
Between this and the 2020 olympics, my otaku culture is going to be completely destroyed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11622002
> These should be illegal aswell.
Only if you're a brainwashed retard.

The only time derivative works should be illegal is if a reasonable person could actually confuse it as being by the original creators.

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>>11622042
Cool argument bro. Property should belong to the one who created it, and to whom he may have sold it. Nobody else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11622103
>property
You're off to a bad start. We're talking about ideas, not property.

[Anonymous No.]

Finally, we will see some original and engaging anime, not just a copy of a copy of a copy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11622112
I hope you don't actually think that any modern anime would be considered as unauthorized derivative works.

[Anonymous No.]

Stuff like this really brings the worst posters out of the woodwork.

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.citizen.org/tppaction

So click a few buttons and do something about it.

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>>11622143

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>>11624521
get lost chink

[Anonymous No.]

Soon

[Anonymous No.]

>>11622135
I liked this thread the first three times we had it. It wasn't as retarded. Well, it was as retarded, but it was more excusable because we hadn't gone over it a dozen times before.