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11588762 No.11588762 [Reply] [Original]

>Ultimate fanfic creator
And you complained about Zetsubou's translation

http://www.japanator.com/first-english-screens-for-dangan-ronpa-emerge-30148.phtml

>> No.11588770

Doujinshi isn't fan fiction all of a sudden?

Or are you complaining that they translated a word? How heinous!

>> No.11588775

Isn't it NISA? Everything they do is awful

>> No.11588781

Beats the hell out of Super Duper High School Otaku, that's for fucking sure.

>> No.11588791

>>11588781
I agree 100%. "Ultimate Fanfic Creator" sounds like shit, but there's no way to make a shitty name sound good if you stay true to the content, which I think they have.

Doujinshi, as >>11588770 pointed out, are fanfiction.

"Super Duper High School X" is a format that makes me cringe every time, so I'm glad to see it gone.

>> No.11588794

>>11588770
what about doujinshi with original characters?

>> No.11588798

>>11588794
If you had ever played dangan ronpa, you would know that this fat fuck is absolutely obsessed with gay and pedophilic fantasies about a children's anime.
Doujinshi, in the context implied by his own obsessions, is obviously not based around original characters.

>> No.11588804

>>11588770
>>11588791
>"Super Duper High School X"
The anti-fun brigade has arrived!
You know, your elitist, cold and calculated personalty probably would have sounded cool on old /jp/. However this is new-/jp/, you can't get away with this nowadays, so SHUT THE FUCK UP?

>> No.11588805

>>11588794
Most doujinshi are derivative works.

It's not perfect, but the word and its connotations fit so well that I don't see why anyone would complain about it.

>> No.11588814

>>11588798
i've played it, but my point still stands

>> No.11588831

>Ultimate

Pretty fine with this. Seeing people try to come up with snappy, English equivalents of "chou-koukou-kyu" was pretty painful, so I'm glad they omitted it entirely.

Though I'm wondering how they'll handle all the heavy Japanese references. I hope they either just play them straight (translate what they can, leave it Japanese, don't add dumb notes) or omit them. If they localize that shit to My Little Pony and Justin Bieber, I'm going to be internet-angry about it.

>> No.11588832

>>11588804
Ah, forgive me, it looks like I've met the Super Duper High School Shitposter.
How do you do?

>> No.11588841

>>11588814
Not all doujinshi are fanfiction. OK.
This character's are.
Your point doesn't stand.
Thanks.

>> No.11588846

>>11588832
I'm the shitposter? Fuck off. I bet you don't even sage.

>> No.11588848

>>11588831
They localize everything

>> No.11588855
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11588855

Most of the new character titles are fine, I imagine one or two weeaboos will be pissed off by "fashionista", but for the most part they're sensible.

...except for this one. What the fuck.

>> No.11588859

>>11588855
That's pretty rough.
"Ultimate Scion" would have been fine.

>> No.11588866

>>11588762
>>11588855
It's like they tried their hardest to make their translation as different as possible from Zetsubou's.

>> No.11588883

http://youtu.be/Jpiym8Dh_KQ?t=1m31s

:^)

>> No.11588895

>>11588832
I just want you to know your post was clever, but I actually disagree, Super Duper Highschool X may not be creative but it gave a uniform feeling to it. Ultimate just feels lazy

>> No.11588901

>>11588895
I think "Ultimate" gets across the point that they're the best at what they do pretty tersely.

The downside is that it's not very fun.

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11588908

>>11588901
I suppose, but just to confirm, no one is going to argue they heavily fucked up the second half of their names, right?

>> No.11588929

>>11588908
What was it originally?

>> No.11588937

>>11588932
I think Model would have worked just fine.

>> No.11588938
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11588938

Why are Dangan Ronpa fans so shitty? Goons, tumblrshits, redditors, family guy fans, manimebros, "We're better than the real NIS"A. At least the Japanese fujoshi who like it aren't complete normals though.

>> No.11588932

>>11588908
You mean their actual names? Junko Enoshima is fine unless you're complaining about name order.

"Fashionista" is probably as close as you can get to "Gyaru" in one word.

>> No.11588944

>>11588938
There is one in my class, she never does her work and just uses her laptop to post on BL blogs

>> No.11588958

The weirdest shit attracts the worst fan bases.

"This is a bland STG but the characters are little girls!"

"This is a comic about World War II, except the countries are handsome boys!"

"This is a web comic about a group of kids who get sucked into a computer game!"

"This is a Japanese mystery game about a school where teenagers have to kill each other!"

What the hell is it that makes these things click with the worst kind of people? Something like Pokémon or Final Fantasy I can understand, but how do these niche/gimmicky things attract so many 16-year-old girls who want to dress up as the characters? Does a shmup with a slight twist really warrant so much fan art and porn? Were that many people attracted to a manga-meets-World War II comic? What made so many people religiously follow Kid Radd 2.0? Did that many Tumblr users decide to sit down and read a Something Awful Let's Play one day?

It's not that any of these things are bad (I mean it) but none of them are particularly great or the best in their genre, and people focus on the strangest parts of them (e.g. side characters) to the point where I could browse someone's entire portfolio of fan works and still have no idea what the original series is about.

>> No.11588961

>>11588770
I'd think it'd be better if they include something about the visual aspect, because comic fanfiction is quite different from text-only fanfiction. "Fan-Comic Virtuoso" or something. Then again, that sounds even more retarded, so maybe they made the best of a bad situation.

>> No.11588974

>>11588958
>This is a bland STG but the characters are little girls!
I...I don't know what exactly you are referring to

>> No.11588995

>>11588958
>What the hell is it that makes these things click with the worst kind of people?
They're all works where there's plenty of room for discussion, imagination, and exploration. A small community manages to form around them at first, and from there, it snowballs or virals into a massive phenomenon. People hear about this great new thing from their (IRL or online) friends and get hooked, and after they're done investigating the source material they realize that they can continue to immerse themselves in it due to the sheer amount of stuff "attached" to it, whether it's fanwork or a community.

A lot of works don't have the charm or exploratory space quality - a traditional story has a well-defined beginning and end, you know what happens, and you can write all these what-ifs but they're all blatantly non-canonical. And some games have such high barriers to entry (such as skill) that they never become wildly popular. And some just, well, fail to take off.

>> No.11589363

>>11588770
>>11588791
"Fanfiction" did originally mean "fiction distributed in fanzines", but that was several decades ago. Now it means "derivative work by fans", and you really need to be (or play) dumb to not see the difference.

>>11588805
No, it changes the connotation from "indie comic artist" to "fanboy". That's quite a difference.

>> No.11589510

>>11589363
Your disagreement is set to the tune of a kind of anal-retentive and autistic motivation to see everything carried out to it's most extreme conclusion regardless of art or style. However, your argument of inaccuracy is complete bullshit and fails to satisfy even these tenets of your own autism.

We do not often name things by their most extreme traits, but by that trait they have which others do not.
For example, we call those who stand at the highest heights of the legal profession "judges" because they judge and others do not. They also have a notable role in the creation of law and interpretation of law through jurisprudence, but we do not call these people "lawyers" nor "legislators" because others also fill those roles.

In conclusion, doujinshi's direct equivalent in the western world is fanfiction, and it shares those defining characteristics of being fictional and made by fans.

>> No.11589511

>>11589510
The major difference is that when you think of doujinshi without any context added, you think of a comic, but when you think of fanfiction you think of pure text.

>> No.11589521

>>11589511
Does that have a substantive impact on the characterization of Hifumi Yamada?

If so, please state in which identifiable ways the character changes in his role in the story or how the audience is meant to see him, given the differences your ass is blasted by.

>> No.11589523

>>11589521
The stereotypes associated with a doujin artist and a fanfiction writer are different. When people think of fanfic writers they think of teenaged girls posting Harry Potter slash fiction to online websites, not sweaty nerds hunched over a drawing pad.

>> No.11589530

>>11589521
I'm not him but I don't agree with the "it doesn't impact the story or character so it's fine for them to make whatever changes they like" view. NISA does always take that to the extreme though, and I guess people like you are pretty satisfied with it. The way I see it though people working on localizations and translations don't deserve that amount of creative freedom.

>> No.11589541

>>11589530
If creative freedom is what the author exercises to change the story as he builds on it, then something that doesn't change the story doesn't require creative freedom to do.
If doujinshi and fanfiction are equal and equivalent in the context of the story, and I argue that they are, then no creative freedom is necessary to present one as the other.

>> No.11589542

>>11589510
>Your disagreement is set to the tune of a kind of anal-retentive and autistic motivation (...)

Translation: "You're obviously correct and all the facts are on your side, and all I can do is beat around the bush with irrelevant metaphors. But... but you shouldn't really be caring about this, you autist!"

>doujinshi's direct equivalent in the western world is fanfiction

Comics as a whole are a much closer equivalent of the doujinshi scene than fanfiction.

>> No.11589571

>>11589542
Thanks, I didn't know we had such a skilled translator on /jp/. You've perfectly converted my sentiments into Nonsense.

Second, to argue that doujinshi's equivalent is the comic itself is nonsense. The "comic" is a universal standard for what you call it when pictures and text are put together in panels. Doujinshi emphasizes Doujin, the non-professional groups that create the works.

This concept of non-professionalism is lost with the use of the word "comic" while it isn't with "fanfiction".

>> No.11589576

>>11589571
I just realized that I'm on /jp/ and that I need to announce that the "Ultimate Comic Artist" would be an employed one. The implication may be lost to some.

>> No.11589585

>>11589541
Changing what characters say does require creative freedom, and it's pretty obvious they'll do that with every other line that's not important to the story since it's NISA. They have never once not done that. And there is a difference between the stereotypes associated with doujinshi and the stereotypes associated with fanfiction, and NISA will most likely change the dialogue to match the stereotypes associated with fanfiction. It doesn't have any influence on the story or the overall character though so I guess it doesn't really matter to you. Donuts sure are great, huh?

>> No.11589604

>>11589571
When doujinshi create more sales than the entire US comic book industry, emphasizing their non-professionalism profoundly misses the point. There was nothing suggesting Yamada was an amateur in any sense of the word. (There was lots suggesting he drew porn, but that's another story.) And if he's as good at his trade as the hype surrounding the school pupils suggests, he most certainly wasn't one.

>> No.11589608

>>11589571
Nobody fucking makes fanfiction in non-professional doujin groups, they write all that shit by themselves and upload it to the internet without ever producing any actual print work. Even "comics club ultimate artist" would be closer.

>> No.11589617

>>11589608
Or rather, not in the West they don't, which is what everyone reading will think of when they read the word "fanfiction," doujin groups from Japan do produce novels but that's not what anybody is going to be thinking of.

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11589687

You fucking autists, this is a handheld video game for teenagers. Are you seriously criticizing the translation? You might as well argue about the quality of story in MLP or other trivial bullshit that only manchildren care about.

>> No.11589693

>>11589687
shiki can kill servants

>> No.11589700

>>11589687
Where do you think you are? Go way.

>> No.11589987

adachi is the puppetmaster

>> No.11590292

Ultimate may sound cooler, but it's less accurate than both Super High School Level and Super Duper High School, because they are the best of their age group in their field, but not the greatest in the world.

>> No.11590843

Doujinshi doesn't just mean comics, though they're the most obvious type of doujinshi.

Fanzines have gone out of style.

There's a Western equivalent to self-published fan comics, and it's self-published fan fiction. The stereotypes of a drooling otaku drawing anime fan comics and a fat nerd writing cartoon fan fiction aren't so different. In fact this is pretty clever, because those interested in otaku culture (most people who buy the game) will get the character, but even if you're completely ignorant of all that stuff, you'll still get the stereotype they're going for.

>> No.11590843,1 [INTERNAL] 

>>11589687
no mean language allowed
especially vs janny's favorite tumblr games

>> No.11596920

>>11590843
>because those interested in otaku culture (most people who buy the game)
I think that's like saying people who buy "Phoenix Wright" games are interested in otaku culture. The original game may have been made with otaku partially in mind, but the english-speaking audience that takes an interest in it is something completely different, and the people in charge of licensed localizations know this and capitalize off of it. This kind of game will sell tons with quirky normals trying to be "in" with the "nerd chic" and NISA will change things around to make sure those types aren't turned off from it. An action that's very characteristic of NISA in particular is that anything that panders to otaku is turned into a parody of things that pander to otaku. They also turn all instances of "girl" into "woman" because they're fucking pussies who flinch at the slightest idea of being attacked by their jew overlords in video game 'journalism'.

>> No.11601264

>>11596920

Ironically, people in the west that buy "Phoenix Wright" games or play Japanese games. Might considered themselves to be "Otaku".

>quirky normals trying to be "in" with the "nerd chic" and NISA will change things around to make sure those types aren't turned off from it.

You've just described 99% of nerd culture in the west.

>> No.11601286

>>11601264
>>11596920

Well yeah.

Japan as a whole is fetishized because Geek-Chics and "Otaku" in the west think it's cool how weird and quirky it is. That's why shit holes like kotaku will write random articles about random Japanese topics with no inherent point. Because it's cool.

>> No.11601295

Is this the new chuuni?

>> No.11601335

>>11601295
Lets just hope not.
As a side note, I liked Danganronpa as a kinda' mediocre pseudo vn thing. I liked it but it's not going to be on any top tens of the year or anything.

>> No.11605964

So are they getting English voice actors for this?

In before Frank Welker or Nancy Cartwright as Monokuma.

>> No.11606050

Where is the "High School Tier" part

Nobody was ever claiming these kids were the best at what they did, just the best at what they did among high schoolers

>> No.11606076

Removing the "high school" part is not translating.

Anyone who likes these translations is just being contrarian. Or maybe they just hate Danganronpa and want Danganronpa terms to disappear.

>> No.11609055

>>11588974
Dodonpachi Saidaioujou, of course.

>> No.11609062

I don't understand why people like this shit. There is nothing unique or interesting about it. It's like normal people have a giant wheel of fortune that they spin and whatever garbage piece of media it lands on, they all dogpile onto and create an equally garbage 'fandom'.

>> No.11609631

>>11609062
If you're talking about the english fandom, all it took was for a few popular goons to like it and then nearly all of Something Awful pretended to like it. Those people and what they like then spread to tumblr, reddit, and various gaming sites. Shit like this is why I think every visual novel would be better with ero scenes. No exceptions, I mean it. Girls or boys getting fucked creates such a huge barrier-to-entry for so many normals.

>> No.11610891

>>11588866
Well, they're releasing only the first game, and that was the only one with a fan translation. They're obviously gonna be accused of stealing the fan translation

>> No.11610911 [DELETED] 

Let's get #ILikedDRBeforeItWasOfficiallyTranslated trending, /jp/!

>> No.11610922 [DELETED] 

>>11610911
ill make the video of me pounding ur mom trending lmao

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>>11609631
But half the time they just ruin the flow of the story

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