What do you call it when an author creates one well-recieved work of fiction, then spends the rest of their career trying to make lightning strike twice to no avail? I mean, other than "being Tom Clancy."

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Anonymous Wed Oct 16 07:30:16 2013 No.11533554 [Reply] [Original]

What do you call it when an author creates one well-recieved work of fiction, then spends the rest of their career trying to make lightning strike twice to no avail?

I mean, other than "being Tom Clancy."

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 07:33:46 2013 No.11533559 One hit wonder. I don't understand the relevance of this thread though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 07:34:02 2013 No.11533566 >>11533559 I think OP is subtly suggesting R07 is a one hit wonder.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 07:35:31 2013 No.11533568 >>11533559 Umineko and Guns 'n' Roses are not as good as Higurashi.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 07:36:31 2013 No.11533573 >>11533566 Nonsense. He never made a decent thing in is life.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 07:38:01 2013 No.11533578 >>11533568 Higurashi isn't very good as well

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 07:41:46 2013 No.11533584 >>11533568 Umineko is better than Higurashi

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 07:44:01 2013 No.11533591 File: 159 KB, 704x396, 1196296513244.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11533578 We can talk about it in my car.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 07:51:47 2013 No.11533600 Which was the good Tom Clancy book?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 07:53:47 2013 No.11533605 >>11533600 Hunt for Red October.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 08:40:20 2013 No.11533668 >>11533554 Yeah I know, OP. After the success of Umineko he only could shit out that abomination of Higurashi, what a pity.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 09:01:20 2013 No.11533688 >>11533668 How are things in the reverse-time universe?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 09:18:35 2013 No.11533704 Ryukishi07 isn't one hit wonder because all of his games are shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 09:22:05 2013 No.11533707 File: 652 KB, 1091x771, 1381915338009.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Speaking of which. http://groupees.com/doujin2

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 09:29:35 2013 No.11533718 File: 53 KB, 448x342, 1341709284384.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] all of his writing is shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 09:33:36 2013 No.11533730 >>11533718 Cute image, dude.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 09:38:22 2013 No.11533748 File: 88 KB, 576x768, 1334572067509.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11533730 thanks i always try to post interesting content for readersto look at as they read my works

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 09:51:38 2013 No.11533779 >>11533707 Oh shit awesome

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 10:37:39 2013 No.11533845 Needs more umineko's hentai.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 12:25:07 2013 No.11534075 >>11533688 It's awesome. Here /jp/ gets better day after day.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 12:40:06 2013 No.11534100 >>11533748 M-marcus?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 12:40:06 2013 No.11534104 >>11534075 rekt

Anonymous Wed Oct 16 13:10:40 2013 No.11534187

>>11533554
Regardless of your personal opinion on any of Ryukishi's works, both Higurashi and Umineko were very well-received, well enough for the both of them to receive anime adaptations. You could argue that he's failing to make lightning strike thrice, but he already has two established successes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 13:26:42 2013 No.11534221 ZUN has been making the same game over and over for 20 years.

Anonymous Wed Oct 16 14:04:27 2013 No.11534331

Tom Clancy is a summer reading type of author.

R07 is above that. He makes good pieces of fiction with good setting concepts and characters and that's it.

One hit wonders only happen if an author makes something interesting and never becomes relevant within the zeitgeist of the medium.

Tom Clancy was always read and known within the popcorn literature culture so I don't really see the point you're making.

>>11533584
Structurally, Higurashi is better and simpler but Umineko is overall more expansive in its story which is up for debate if its better or not than Umineko.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 14:05:12 2013 No.11534334 >>11534221 Has it been that long already.? I remember Highly Responsive to Prayers like it was yesterday...

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 14:11:11 2013 No.11534349 Tom Clancy died a few days ago.

Anonymous Wed Oct 16 14:11:41 2013 No.11534348

>>11534187
/jp/ is conceptually unable to see greatness even when it's in front of it. They see a masterpiece like Umineko and can only think:

``Too complicated story guy I didn't understand anything :(''

Followed by:

``Ryukishi hates us he has said he hates the retards so he hates us''

Of course, nobody make the logical conclusion than, if Ryukishi has stated that he dislikes retards, and the fellow /jp/ anon feels concerned, then that means he thinks he's a retard himself.

Sometimes, there's not even a try:

``It's SHIT, Ryuikshi has stolen everything from Then There Were None!!!!''

And, of course, the:

``Rosa is the killer because I said so I have no proof it's not even barely logical but I want to believe!''

Every single one of these opinions were professed in Umineko threads since the beginning of time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 14:14:26 2013 No.11534355 >>11534348 What about Yasu?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 14:18:58 2013 No.11534372 >>11534349 Huh, you're right, 15 days ago. Hadn't heard anything about it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 14:28:27 2013 No.11534392 >>11534348 >Too complicated story guy I didn't understand anything :( Really? Is /jp/ filled with elementary schoolers or anything?

Anonymous Wed Oct 16 14:31:44 2013 No.11534397

>>11534355
There is a strong hate against Yasu, because the fellow /jp/ anon feels that a freakshow, incest child, who was emasculated then raised as an orphan and a slave to the family he should rightfully order around has no right to be resentful.

Then, of course, there's the always popular:

``How can Shannon/Kanon not have been found by his employers?!!! Plothole, PLOTHOLE!!''

Which mean, of course, they never tried to answer the actually awfully easy question: who was the employer of Yasu? You know. Yasu's employer, Yasu. Maybe Yasu did get a memo about the Shannon/Kanon situation and sat on it because he didn't want to hurt Yasu's feeling? Maybe Yasu corrupted Yasu somehow? Guys, I don't have any idea!

I'm being sarcastic, by the way.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 14:33:43 2013 No.11534400 >>11534397 You're also talking like an /a/ poster with your strawmen and rhetorical logic. You're not doing us Umineko fans a favor by posting like that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 14:35:28 2013 No.11534403 >>11533600 Rainbow Six.

Anonymous Wed Oct 16 14:43:43 2013 No.11534417

>What do you call it when an author creates one well-recieved work of fiction, then spends the rest of their career trying to make lightning strike twice to no avail?

The best authors are those who can troll their readers and make a fortune by selling the biggest "it had potential, but I find no logical comclusion" crap.

>No proper work done, just an idea
>People pay anyway

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 14:46:28 2013 No.11534422 OP, you are thinking of a one-trick pony. Ryukishi practically embodies the term.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 15:02:43 2013 No.11534438 >>11534422 You mean endless red herring overdose?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 15:16:15 2013 No.11534462 >>11534397 You talk like a crossie.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 15:19:46 2013 No.11534469 >>11534462 Are you capable of posting anything relevant to the discussion?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 16 21:24:13 2013 No.11535528 Whether on purpose or not, Umineko appeared to be so badly written (or not taking itself very seriously) to the point that I couldn't suspend my disbelief to keep following it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 08:33:59 2013 No.11536515 >>11535528 >suspend my disbelief What does that even mean?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 08:44:29 2013 No.11536528 >>11536515 take it seriously

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 08:47:15 2013 No.11536534 >>11536528 So you can't take seriously things that don't take themselves seriously? What are you, some kind of edgy autist?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 09:43:17 2013 No.11536603 >>11533554 what, Tom clancy makes a couple of good books. mostly Clear and present danger and that book that was made into a movie with Harrison Ford fighting against the IRA

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 18:14:52 2013 No.11537637 File: 121 KB, 619x1000, fbca8f72e841c013e3c6e15aab5398bd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Umineko and Higurashi are the reasons I still enjoy living. Best works ever. Can't wait for When they cry 5.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 18:52:25 2013 No.11537725 >>11537637 I want to rape Maria while she screams Uu.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 19:16:57 2013 No.11537769 File: 34 KB, 262x133, 1380049753046.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11537637 You and me both.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 17 19:22:26 2013 No.11537781 File: 34 KB, 262x133, 1380049753046.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11537637 You and me both. Is there any info on the continuity of higurashi?

>>	「ロリあき」 Thu Oct 17 19:26:11 2013 No.11537791 >>11537637 Jesus, Ii'd kill myself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 18 23:30:18 2013 No.11541170 Not really related to the thread, but this song reminds me a lot of Umineko, for some reason.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij2vdvL7dx4

Anonymous Sat Oct 19 01:29:23 2013 No.11541463

>>11537637
Me too. I couldn't get into RGD and Higanbana got dropped when he went into details about the toilets. Make WTC5 already damn it!

I wonder how he'll integrate it though, after making a point to make damn sure that magic doesn't exist in the series.

>>11537781
>Is there any info on the continuity of higurashi?
Last I saw, we were still debating whether or not Takano was listed as a co-author for Outbreak. Was a conclusion ever reached for that mystery?

Anonymous Sat Oct 19 01:35:37 2013 No.11541477

>>11534187
>Regardless of your personal opinion on any of Ryukishi's works, both Higurashi and Umineko were very well-received, well enough for the both of them to receive anime adaptations
Yeah, but they never finished Umineko's anime and yet Higurashi still gets OVA releases.

But I then again, Chiru was convoluted as a 50 hour novel. Could even the masters at Studio DEEN pull off an adaptation that made the slightest bit of sense with only thirteen hours?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 23:41:26 2013 No.11544015 >>11541477 >Could even the masters at Studio DEEN pull off an adaptation that made the slightest bit of sense with only thirteen hours? Would that stop them from trying?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 19 23:58:26 2013 No.11544054 >>11541463 Ryu said on his twitter that his next work will probably be another wtc

Anonymous Sun Oct 20 07:50:23 2013 No.11544811

>>11534397

I'm not someone who complains about plotholes, but they do confuse me.

Like the two bottles supposedly signed by Maria that contained ep1-2. To start, they could only have been written by Yasu. (You need to know who can do what, else it wouldn't even be near the truth). It also must have been after she found the gold.

So why would Yasu finding the gold make her write mystery novels about the island? You don't write murder plans in mystery format. You don't write fake murder mystery plays in mystery format either. You only write mystery format for readers to solve a mystery.

This all tells me that the real events on the island consisted of the following: 1) Battler arrives, 2) Shannon says "Hey, try and solve this mystery story I made!", 3) Battler tries to solve it but he can't, 4) Eva looks at them and says she solved it, 5) Battler asks to try again but Eva puts them in bottles and throws them into the sea, 6) Massive arguments starts between parents and everyone dies.

It is the only logical thing based on those bottles and mystery stories.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 08:45:53 2013 No.11544896 >>11533554 The mere fact that Umineko is still being discussed in these boards makes me think that R07's second lightning strike didn't fail at all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 08:47:53 2013 No.11544902 >>11544054 Ryukishi hasn't said anything on his twitter since 2010.

Anonymous Sun Oct 20 08:48:08 2013 No.11544906
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How come anybody plays this guy's games?

There's nothing redeeming about them. The plot isn't good, the art isn't good, the character's aren't good.

For those of you who play them: why? Are you just afraid you won't be a ~TRUotaku~ if you don't consume popular Japanese LN/VN/anime/doujinsoft/etc.?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 08:51:24 2013 No.11544910 File: 1.30 MB, 1280x720, self-satisfied maid.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11544906 characters

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 08:52:08 2013 No.11544913 File: 354 KB, 728x535, UminekoNeutralExpressions.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11544906 I enjoyed the plot, the characters, the writing, the music and yes, even the art.

Anonymous Sun Oct 20 08:53:23 2013 No.11544918

>>11541463
Higanbana was fairly good. Not great like a WtC, but it's a breather work with lot of morals, some very good characters, and all in one an enjoyable story.

I personally believe Ryukishi left Umineko mentally exhausted and wanted to write a small and easy story for a while. It doesn't have a big scope, but it works as it is.

Too bad it apparently didn't sell in Eleven Lands. RGD sells a hundred time better than Higanbana for some reasons.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 08:54:39 2013 No.11544925 >>11544906 You are entitled to your opinion. No problems there. But you failed miserably in one point. The When they Cry series is probably one of the most popular VN's out there.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 08:55:38 2013 No.11544927 >>11544811 >So why would Yasu finding the gold make her write mystery novels about the island? Because Yasu loved mystery novels. Did you even read ep 7?

Anonymous Sun Oct 20 08:55:38 2013 No.11544928
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>>11544913

>I enjoyed the plot, the characters, the writing, the music and yes, even the art.

Is this a joke?

It's theoretically possible that someone could like those things, but far more likely that they're pretending to satisfy some weird facet of their personality.

>>11544925

>The When they Cry series is probably one of the most popular VN's out there.

What does this have to do with anything?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 08:57:09 2013 No.11544938 >>1154492 >Are you just afraid you won't be a ~TRUotaku~ if you don't consume popular Japanese LN/VN/anime/doujinsoft/etc.? You stated it wasn't popular. I'm saying you are wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 08:59:39 2013 No.11544950 File: 1.27 MB, 1280x720, jealous ruler.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11544938 What about that sentence makes you think I accused it of not being popular? Re-read it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 08:59:53 2013 No.11544951 >>11544928 >Are you just afraid you won't be a ~TRUotaku~ if you don't consume popular Japanese LN/VN/anime/doujinsoft/etc.? You stated it wasn't popular. I'm saying you are wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 09:00:38 2013 No.11544957 >>11544906 Oh god, the shit taste. Go the fuck back to F/SN.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 09:00:54 2013 No.11544960 File: 1.55 MB, 1280x720, wounded maid.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11544951 Like I said, re-read the sentence you just quoted.

Anonymous Sun Oct 20 09:36:30 2013 No.11545068

>>11544927

It was a rhetorical question. You write mystery for a reader to solve it. A mystery not read by anyone is a pretty pointless mystery.

That means Yasu had someone in mind to read the stories, and seemingly that would be Battler, since Battler was inserted as the detective.

(Unless Yasu was completely insane and wrote mystery for his other personas)

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 09:49:15 2013 No.11545089 >>11544906 >>11544910 >>11544928 >>11544950 >>11544960 >>>/a/

Anonymous Sun Oct 20 10:19:00 2013 No.11545158
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>read 4 'question' books which are nothing but bad agatha christie parodies
>get to the first of 4 'answer' books
>"anyone who is expecting an answer doesn't have heart"

can you guess where i le put this shit?

Anonymous Sun Oct 20 10:58:52 2013 No.11545206

>>11545158
They are NOT answer arcs. Explicitly not. Higurashi had 'question arcs' followed by 'answer arcs'. 'Kai' meant 'answer'. Umineko's four question arcs are followed by 'Chiru', which means 'breakdown'. Chiru are NOT answer arcs. They are breakdown arcs, where the story is broken down and the meta-context is explained extensively.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 11:44:25 2013 No.11545273 File: 338 KB, 863x586, houseface.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11537637 The best part of the WTC series is that they have no H scenes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 12:06:55 2013 No.11545300 >>11545089 This is weaponized /a/ tho.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 12:11:11 2013 No.11545309 >>11545300 Weaponized /a/, not normal /a/

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 12:16:12 2013 No.11545318 >>11544902 https://twitter.com/ryukishi07 He tweeted two hours ago.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 12:39:44 2013 No.11545362 File: 737 B, 23x23, 1307051362_737.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11545318 not a verified account, fake and gay

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 12:42:29 2013 No.11545368 File: 23 KB, 225x300, 10813.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What's with Japanese developers and flat caps anyway?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 12:44:29 2013 No.11545374 >>11544928 i'm sorry for your shit taste

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 12:54:14 2013 No.11545399 >>11545368 went to t'yorkshire t'see t'bairns

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 13:08:31 2013 No.11545454 >>11545368 He and ZUN are best buddies. Rumor has it that ZUN bought him that cap when he released his first game. Others say that it was BT who bought him the hat. Still others hold that BT is, in fact, the same person as ZUN.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 13:10:30 2013 No.11545461 >>11545454 They must be a great source of power. Especially for doujin/indie developers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 13:11:01 2013 No.11545471 >>11545468 No, because you're a loser.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 13:11:31 2013 No.11545468 >>11545461 Will I make a great game and become famous if I buy one?

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>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 13:15:15 2013 No.11545492 >>11545461 I wear a fedora and people always comment on how retro my games are.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 21:17:36 2013 No.11546782 >>11545454 Holy shit, ZUN is dead since before ep5's release?!

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 20 21:24:21 2013 No.11546795 >>11546782 No, the BT persona was killed off when ZUN chose to keep the relationship with the woman who is now his wife, which involved breaking up with Ryu.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 21 12:04:21 2013 No.11548633 >>11546795 Now Umineko all makes sense. It was actually written by ZUN!

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