/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

http://touhou.wikia.com

or

http://en.touhouwiki.net/

Which one is recommended for someone who wants to learn more about them 2hus?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11495827
The second one.

[Anonymous No.]

Wikia is ran by a bunch of nobodies, but unfortunately outdated and on an evil company's service.

Touhou Wiki is ran by a cross-dressing cosplayer and staffed by Pooshlmer. They routinely argue about how to alter Touhou canon through fan translations, put LeoModesto fairies on the front page, and host fan fiction, TouhouMUCK characters, memes, etc.

It's up to you which you use. They're both shitty. I'd say use the official materials (text files and print works). They've been translated decently enough.

Wikis are just the lazy option for people who can't do their own research. This applies whether it's Wikipedia or the Super Mario Wiki. Experience the materials first-hand or read qualified materials from experts.

[Anonymous No.]

The one that gets google priority.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11495836
>read qualified materials from experts.
Where can I find some certified Touhou Project experts?

[Anonymous No.]

Use the wiki but make sure to not trust anything blindly. People like to use it to write Touhou canon and make shit up.

[Anonymous No.]

Use TV Tropes if you want a good laugh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11495836
> and host fan fiction, TouhouMUCK characters, memes, etc.
Wrong one, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11495840
Try "Perfect Memento in Strict Sense", Jun'ya Ota, 2006.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11495847
What do you mean? They are not going to get rid of that shit.

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Category:Fanfiction

[Anonymous No.]

>>11495847
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Category:Fanfiction
http://muck.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Category:Characters
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Category:Fanon_and_Memes

You were saying?

[Anonymous No.]

I prefer
http://en.touhouwiki.net/

[Anonymous No.]

>>11495836
>They've been translated decently enough.

That's debatable.

Still, anyone trying to learn about Touhou should stick to them and them only either way. That way, the worst that can happen is a mistranslation.

[Anonymous No.]

I recommend you to play the games and read the printed materials yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11495854

[Anonymous No.]

The loss of big Remi was a tragic blow to us all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11495921
I have a userscript to remove those.
I hate wikia's layout and ads much more though.

[Anonymous No.]

Mostly the one with the Reimu on the left frame because it got a better page layout (i just don't like background images).

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>11495935
Holy crackers

[Anonymous No.]

That sad looking Sakuya on the wikia is still there, staring at you. It feels like she will slowly start to shake her head to signal you: "Anon, you should not come here."

[Anonymous No.]

>>11495941
What does "cont'd" means?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11495947
Contained

[Anonymous No.]

>>11495925
``Big Remi'' ??

[Serkit !eSpvUDpflw No.]

>>11495958
filtered

[Anonymous No.]

wiki is leaps and bounds better than wikia

[Anonymous No.]

I sincerely want to cut LeoMofaggo's cock off and mail it to his mother.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11495971
Thank god that was censored or I might've been offended!

Here have a better source to edit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11495836
I would agree with you if the person using one/both of the wikis was familiar with Touhou Project. However I would not hold it against a newcomer to the franchise to use wiki materials as an introductory reader before moving on t the sources proper.

Newcomers should be encouraged to make this transition as soon as they can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11495852
Huh. Never saw any of that. Oh well, no harm done.

>Pages in category "Fanon and Memes"
Who's categorizing this shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11495974

[Anonymous No.]

>>11495980
I have no idea what the hell MUCK is, but there is really no reason to host fanfiction there. It's literally used as an alternative to fanfiction.net because people are afraid that no one will read their fanfics there. It's just another reminder about how bad those sites are run.

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>>11495978
The ideal "wiki":
- HTML only, simple black on white background. Default font should be 12 pt. Univers or Helvetica

- Site purpose is to catalogue links to official works and doujinshi of a recognized quality

- Site run by a single, anonymous webmaster and a small board of volunteers, also anonymous. Most of their work is to sift through links submitted to administration by users to determine worthiness. Revealing one's identity should be grounds for reprimand

- Official works are to be automatically submitted. Doujinshi are admitted providing that they meet the following criteria:
1. Acceptable artistic/literary quality
2. Acceptable image resolution
3. Static source for download off-site easily located and linked to
4. Translation acceptably accurate

- Funded by donations and nonintrusive, relevant text ads

Shame this will never happen

[Anonymous No.]

>>11496015
It would cost you like five dollars a month to host your own non-encyclopedic wiki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11496015
Does that even count as a wiki?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11496009
There's no reason, but I don't hold it against the site. It's not referenced or linked too or anything; if you weren't looking for it you'd never find it.

The fan characters, though...that's absurd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11496035
Anything that can be collaboratively edited is a wiki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11496037
Oh, ok. I thought that counted more as some sort of archive if it's just links.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11496034
There's nothing absurd about it. muck.touhouwiki is an entirely separate wiki. It just happens to be hosted on the same domain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11496058
Huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11496067
Never mind, I thought that's what you were referring to when you mentioned "fan characters". And taking a second look that's not what it is at all. M'bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11496037
>collaboratively
"small board of collaborators" isn't exactly a wiki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11496035
>>11496037
>>11496047
Well, yeah, that's the whole point of my exercise above. Wikis are inherently prone to the excesses and flaws documented in this thread (fan art embedded in site design, conflicts between highly visible community members & clique forming, low quality of content submitted)

Really, democracy is shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11496100
I'm pretty sure what you want is not actually a wiki but a website. With two or three other administrators, if you're lazy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11496126
I'm confused now.

Who wants a wiki anyway

[Anonymous No.]

um, wow

jeez, guys, calm down

[Anonymous No.]

>>11496015
http://wakaba.c3.cx/w/gensokyo

Technically a wiki, written by one guy, decently written with a balanced focus on canon and the fandom.

(for those who don't recognize the domain name, this is by the guy who wrote Wakaba/Kareha and translated a bunch of doujinshi)

[Anonymous No.]

>>11495827
First one is a bit more reliable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11495836
I fucking hate LeoModesto. LittleShrimp/Captainski is best western 2hu fanartist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11496445
Seems like a nice brief overview for new people, but it's only that. It doesn't seem to have much detailed information or really anything outside of "these are some of the things that exist".

en.touhouwiki.net is constantly and consistently updated. While I dislike the fanfiction deposit it's been in the past (which still really fucks up searches unless you filter, I should suggest fixing that), and I'm not one for Leo's art either, the benefits of that wiki over other existing ones greatly outweigh the negatives that people love to focus on.

[Anonymous No.]

Whichever one shows up first when I google it. I honestly didn't even realize they were different.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11496445
>In spring of the year 124, the miko hears rumours of a ship carrying treasure sailing in the skies above Gensokyo. She is skeptical but somewhat curious, and once Sanae Kochiya confirms there is actually a ship, she sets out to chase it down.

But that's wrong. Marisa was the canon protagonist of UFO.

[Suika-Tan !Npq.Isx2OE No.]

en.touhouwiki.net is better. Good balance of canon and fanon, and There's less nonsense on the page, in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11497089
Well, the part in her ending that leads to the Extra stage is just particularly important. Touhou's ending scenarios have always been a combination of all the events from every good end mashed together. Although the incident probably was ended by only one character, naming any in particular is really unimportant (besides EoSD and PCB, which were explicitly said to be solved by Reimu). If we're talking about things that happen in the endings that lead to further events, literally every ending would count. ReimuA and SanaeA you might say are the most important since they set the circumstances for 10D.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11497121
Wait, when's it stated that Reimu solved the incident during PCB?
I know Remelia mentions Reimu stopped her in their dialogue in IN, but I don't remember anything confirming PCB as well.

Also, if I recall correctly, Zun mentioned in an interview that Marisa B's route was canon.

[Anonymous No.]

http://hellzone.wikia.com/wiki/Neko_Scarlet

Never forget

[Anonymous No.]

>>11497089
>Marisa was the canon protagonist of UFO.

She was A canon protagonist of UFO. One of three.

>>11497121
>Although the incident probably was ended by only one character

Not really. Note that all that happens in the game is a danmaku match. Winning it does not solve the incident. The perpetrator ending the incident solves the incident. It is entirely possible for them to have matches with every PC beforehand.

>EoSD and PCB, which were explicitly said to be solved by Reimu

Pretty much every incident was said to be solved by Reimu at one point of time or another. Doesn't stop other characters from also having participated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11497089
>Also, we assume that in all cases, it is Reimu who goes into action, although in the games there is also the option for Marisa to do so, and various other characters from earlier games. Smaller events, such as those depicted in the game extra stages, are left out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11496015
>simple black on white background.

>Not white on black background

Stopped reading there, confirmed for knowing nothing of good website design

[Anonymous No.]

>>11497138
PMiSS goes over various incidents in Reimu's page and outright says she solved those two. The IN entry is more ambiguous, and PoFV only says that she set out to solve it.
And yeah, ZUN said that Marisa B's route was the most important, because it leads into Extra (although, this was before 10D, so Extra was the most important next event). But when you're talking about "canon" routes, they essentially all are. This is how it's always happened.

>>11497170
Certainly, but you're talking past my point. It really doesn't matter if multiple characters set out and fought, or if one specific character won, unless it's mentioned again outside the game itself. How the endings are handled and later referenced just make the "who" question moot.
>Doesn't stop other characters from also having participated.
Not sure why you need to bother saying that, I wasn't saying anything to the contrary. It's just said that Reimu in particular is definitely the one that beat Remilia and Yuyuko.

[Anonymous No.]

never forget ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>11497260
>The IN entry is more ambiguous, and PoFV only says that she set out to solve it.

IN needs to be ambiguous due to secrecy surrounding Eientei, and PoFV couldn't be solved, it had to recede naturally.

>ZUN said that Marisa B's route was the most important

I don't intend to read too much into that statement until I'll hear/see his exact words, which, as far as I know, aren't available anywhere.

>It's just said that Reimu in particular is definitely the one that beat Remilia and Yuyuko.

Again - not "the" one. Reimu beating Remilia and Yuyuko (or in general terms, anyone beating anyone) does not mean others didn't. That's all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11496015
Please die.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11497438
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Interview_on_Nae_Radio_(September_2009)

All he says is that Marisa B is the true ending.

And the whole multiple people solving the incident thing doesn't work well for all games.
If that were the case, it would mean that the Palanquin Ship made three trips to Makai, and Byakuren was unsealed three seperate times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11498924
Maybe it's like Demonbane where all the endings actually happen due to time travel and Outer Gods stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11498932
Most of the endings could happen either way, since they mostly consist of the antagonist visiting Reimu, or Marisa visiting the antagonist.
At least, that's the case with earlier games.
Anything post MoF get's a bit less clear cut, however.

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>>11497438
>Again - not "the" one.
I'm sorry if I choose to employ Occam's Razor here even though I've already said I acknowledge the possibility that others contributed. I definitely get what you're saying and I don't disagree; again, I'm not sure why you feel the need to keep pressing this.

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>>11497231
Which is why these settings are useful. Unfortunately, they're gradually being phased out in favour of "just trust the web designer". All this talk about the semantic web and yet we're trying to make everything a pixel-perfect match across devices.

The web should be like a book you can change the fonts, colours, and layout of. Instead it's becoming a cheap magazine I find it difficult to read. People shouldn't have to resort to extensions and user styles when the basic elements of these should be built into your browser (as they have been for decades).