is touhou declining?

[Anonymous No.]

I am unimpressed with touhou14.
Is ZUN losing his touch?
I am starting doubt ZUN after two lackluster games in a row.
What happened to creative game like double spoiler?
I mean bomberman flipping control, headless kohaku clone, wolfs again and fucking tomboy drummer....
The fucking worst offender was the mischievous kid in a fucking bowl. Let me repeat fucking bowl that shoot like sakuya....
Worst last boss ever.
Dont even let me get to the music. Even the stage3 boss theme sound like un fucking owen.

[Anonymous No.]

ZUN lost his touch with Story of Eastern Wonderland.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11296854
backwards loli's final spell card was fun at least

[Anonymous No.]

Calm your tits.

[Anonymous No.]

maybe if we all stop buying the games and creating fanworks he will put in some effort to improve them

[Anonymous No.]

I blame his wife.

[Anonymous No.]

the art completely changes at stage 4.
it's like his wife made the last half and is actually his daughter training to replace him when he dies

[Anonymous No.]

>>11296950
I can see what you did there.

[Anonymous No.]

ZUNs wife has ruined the franchise I bet she takes away his beer

[Anonymous No.]

1. ZUN makes another Touhou game, the most generic shmup series there is.
2. It follows the same generic formula. The game is the same with a few gimmicks.
3. Fifty threads about how TOUHOU IS DYING and IT'S NOT AS GOOD AS IT USED TO BE.

What the fuck is wrong with you people? This is like complaining that Tetris DS doesn't live up to Tetris for the Game Boy.
Touhou is exactly the same as it always has been and that's fine. If you want something radically different, play a different game. Hell, move on to a better shmup series.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11296986
Fuck you ZUNs wife get out of here before I tell NSJ

[Anonymous No.]

>>11296967

It is kind of odd how different the first three stages and the rest of the game are.

Wonder if he had a different plan he scrapped late into development.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11296998
>>11296967
I thought I was the only one that notice.
It is like the art degenerate into zombie yoshika hand pose

[Anonymous No.]

>>11296986
Pls, eat th13 shit if tjis game satisfies you.

[Anonymous No.]

Buddhism and Taoism destroyed touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11296854
>I am unimpressed with touhou14

Well this confirms it.
Touhou is over, ZUN should just stop making any more games.

[Anonymous No.]

I must say I enjoyed this one a lot more than any of the games since SA.
Still not as good as the classics, but I would not say this game was the decline. It started declined back with Touhou 12.

[Anonymous No.]

All these satori fags thinking SA was anything but shit. The last good touhou game was IN.

[Anonymous No.]

PCB was the height of the series for me, but hell I'm just a Yuyuko fag.

someone is gonna think this is best 2hu ever so fuck it.

inb4 someone comes along to say height of the series was PC98, and its been shit since windows.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11297385
Faggot ass bitch fucker
Mountain of Faith is and will always remain ZUNs masterpiece

[Anonymous No.]

This might be a hard pill to swallow but 2hu was never good

[Anonymous No.]

It's looking better than UFO and TD.

[Anonymous No.]

PCB supremacy

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is just one big fucking circlejerk.

>>11296986
This.
Though I disagree with the part of Touhou being bad.

[Anonymous No.]

I liked DDC a lot. So I guess you are wrong then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11296986
>not declining
Are you saying you like these character designs?

[Anonymous No.]

Why is everyone still bitching about his art? Isnt the community makes Touhou what it is today? for the good and more.

[Anonymous No.]

I bet ZUN will wake th15 and then retreat.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is everyone still bitching about his art? Isnt the community makes Touhou what it is today? for the good and more.

Plus, I'm really liking UFO, and TD characters more and more as the community makes materials for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11299161
I like the mermaid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11299185
Just look at his new character designs.
Where were the frills?
Where were the silly hats?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11296986
>Touhou is exactly the same as it always has been and that's fine.
You're a complete fucking moron, aren't you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11299195
I wanna fug a mermaid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11299209
For your consideration.
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=37230692
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=37549677

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a franchise with more potential for derivative works than touhou?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11299672

Even shit like My Little Pony and Homestuck don't even come close in sheer material. If there is something with more potential, none have realized it.

[Anonymous No.]

I like the three first bosses of DDC.

[Anonymous No.]

How much longer till decent fanart?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11296854
>is touhou declining?
Maybe I should start collecting those threads which appeared as early as /jp/ was started.
PS: I think that TD was much better than UFO & SA. This is my honest opinion. DDC... Don't know yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11297665
>/jp/ is just one big fucking circlejerk.

I-is this what you meant anon-kun?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11296854
no, you're just a faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>11297167
why don't you just stop play Zun's game?

[Anonymous No.]

The last 3 stages are just unappealing in design and concept. No cool or unique things like Youkai jesus, nuclear fusion, sailor 2hu, engineer kappa, alien 2hu or any cool creatures like tengu, kitsune and shinigami. Not even something appealing like heterochromia, hair tied on the chest, badass weapon, neat ability, etc.
The design are too bland even compared to TD cast and no cool backstory to back that up like Prince Shotoku and the Taoist thingy.

[Anonymous No.]

It's called a wife
Women are terrible to every facet of your being

[Anonymous No.]

>>11302734
Thunder effect in stage 4 and the whole background flipping upside down in stage 5 isn't cool enough for you?

Maybe in terms of characters and story DDC is weaker than some of the previous games like UFO and TD, but I think it's unfair to call the last 3 stages themselves unappealing. Visually I personally found them very beautiful and engaging as a whole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11302759
In gimmicks? yes, they're neat. I'm more talking about character design, though, which sure looks declining, though I still have hope since the first three boss are great and Ex-boss is fine.

I wonder if ZUN starts exchanged good design with more advanced gameplay and gimmicks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11302815
I wasn't talking about the gimmicks, I was talking about the 3 stages as a whole.

But yeah, I guess I agree to some extent, even if the word "declining" doesn't really fit the description. It also might be important to remember that ZUN is starting anew. He's not tying to old games and might be starting a new series of events. Maybe this game will be like MoF and have all sorts of interesting consequences that will lead to these characters and events becoming more developed and more meaningful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11296854
you get what you pay for

[Serkit !eSpvUDpflw No.]

I think the headless one is cute.

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone give a dl link of the game?

[Anonymous No.]

So... what's unique about Shinmyoumaru (aka stage 6 boss)? I mean what fandom is supposed to do with her? Does she have cool design like Utsuho? Or maybe some unique ability like Yukari? Lots of allies/friends like Remilia? Any ambitions like Kanako? Charismatic personality like Remilia? Anything? It's just impossible to write a good plot for any doujin with her and it's hard to put her together with any existing faction. If you want a loli with some size changing abilities take Suika.
My prediction: she joins join Team ⑨ and barely makes it into top-50 in the next thwiki popularity poll. Not in top-70 next year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11302913
Will often get mad because people think she is a child since she is so small.
Gullible, will be exploited and manipulated by many characters.

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't been able to play yet, but the gimmicks, ah. I don't know if I'll be able to handle that. Plus I'm not very good at handling bullets from behind.

>>11299716

I thought SA was the worst Windows game so I'm a bit weird in that sense too.

[Anonymous No.]

Are we in the new Touhou game release cycle again?

This classic include: Hating on new characters, hating on new stages, hating on new spell cards and saying that the last Touhou game was better than the new one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11302982
No. People still hate TD more than DDC, but DDC is still shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11302982
I wasn't visiting /jp/ when SA came out, but I have read the threads in the archives. People liked the new characters, music and spellcards (except for Orin's ones due to high difficulty).

[Anonymous No.]

>>11303009


That's because Orin is delicous and best Youkai ever according to Symposium of Post-mysticism

[Anonymous No.]

>>11299161
ZUN's character designs were never good, case and point.

[Anonymous No.]

does anyone have that picture of yukari with a dick and a testicle bra?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11302987
I like TD and I like DDC too!

[Anonymous No.]

>>11303046

No

[Anonymous No.]

>>11303027
Satori is the best though

[Anonymous No.]

>>11302987
TD has crap gameplay, but the music and characters (except Miko and Mamizou) have since grown on me.

I'm fairly certain that parts of DDC will ripen with age as well. It took me a while to realize wackybackyhime's full erotic potential. Kagerou got to me instantly though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11303109
>except Miko

Why hating on the hermit with Illusion of grandeur? Too much Taoist for you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11303109
Its too bad those two are the only ones with good themes aside from the Stage 1 theme.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11302982
>>11302987
The Touhou cycle always goes two games back. People love UFO now, but they still hated it back when TD was new.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11303109
Who cares about erotic potential though?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11303109
For some reason the mermaid is getting lots of porn.

[Tom No.]

Seija is cool though

[Anonymous No.]

>>11303135
Mamizou heck yes, Miko heck no. True Admin is just one long build up that doesn't actually crest imo.

>>11303126
I dunno, she still just comes across as incredibly two dimensional. Maybe It's just me though, fuck if I know. Maybe I'm too dense for superior hermits and am more suited for less complex Daoists like Futo

Or maybe I just like Futo's long, slender, almost child-like body and playful attitude!

>>11303148
get rekt

>>11303150
fish tits are surprisingly ero!

[Anonymous No.]

>>11303144
>People love UFO now
I think you meant "nerds from IRC and STG threads like UFO".
Here: http://archive.foolz.us/jp/search/text/ufo/.. Find at least one post which praises UFO without at least few replies of pure hatred towards this game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11303177
So people hate all the Touhou games now? Makes sense, this is the Touhou board after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11303170
Have you even played the game? No, what kind of question is that. Of course you haven't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11303172
>Maybe I'm too dense for superior hermits

Superior hermit?

[Tom No.]

>>11303188
I've played it, why? does my opinion signify that I didn't?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11303188
>He likes a character that I don't like! Surely he hasn't played it, then!

Just shut the fuck up and enjoy what you are given.

[Anonymous No.]

The stages in th14 are pretty boring. I like 3rd boss the most. 4th is really kind of disappointing, 5 is okay even despite the flips, 6 is just gimmicky and her spell cards aren't very fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>Tfw you will never have another boss with gimmicky, but fun spell cards ever again

[Anonymous No.]

Why are the character designs for bosses 1-3 vastly more interesting than 4-6 and extra?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11303355
The good old switch and bait tactic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11303057
What is this from? I want to masturbate to boundary play with yukari

[Anonymous No.]

>>11303355
They were leftovers, unused from prior games, thus they were polished over a couple years, while the others were banged out during development to fill the field/

[Anonymous No.]

>>11303438
Doujin about the old ladies doing some onsen fun.

http://exhentai.org/g/594568/e86d5eed69/

[Anonymous No.]

>>11299161
A year or two from now, when or if the next game is released, you'll like them.

[Anonymous No.]

When touhou 11 came out people bitched because nuclear power was a really random power and ZUN was losing his touch, Joishi theme sucked yadda yadda yadda.

Think about that for a moment and stop circle jerking

[Anonymous No.]

People complaining about DDC are probably just whiny, picky cunts. It's not drastically different from any of the other games.
Good music, fuck you if you disagree
Somewhat questionable character designs, what else is new.
Perfectly fine "gimmicks." Instead of complaining about something new, get better and learn how to handle the screen flip.
Simple, unobtrusive gameplay mechanic. Auto-collect for bonuses is probably my favorite mechanic next to IN time. It rewards being risky with something that has existed since EoSD and doesn't fuck with the base game like trance or UFOs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11302742

She has been involved with Touhou far before DDC.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11303027

Satori's is badly drawn but her design is great. Especially with Koishi.

[Anonymous No.]

-last boss song,stage and danmaku are absolutely amazing but sukuna design is devianart tier
-5 stage songs are excellent, some patterns are cool too.
-4 stage a shit, greak background effects though
-1-3 stages were perfect
-extra stage it's a bit underwhelming but smooth criminal is cool

[Anonymous No.]

TD shit game, good concept and characters
DDC good game, shit concept,characters and designs.

[Anonymous No.]

what's taoism?

what does it feel like to be a taoist?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11302734
Youkai jesus is overrated. Her theme is boring and her fight isn't much fun.

[Anonymous No.]

Shit thread, post Maya.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305334

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305337

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305345

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305318
>her theme is boring

Your mother was boring last night

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305350
That doesn't really work for a yo mamma joke. You are supposed to insinuate that you had sex with her. Being boring is the opposite of sex.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305348

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305357
>You are supposed to insinuate that you had sex with her

I was implying that I am Putin, and therefore she can't ride a bear and do other action stuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305360

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305357
Sex can be boring. Why do you think /jp/ consists in a group of NEETs well at least the tru ones.

They got bored of having sex and entered the realm of the 2D and I'm serious. Its overrated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305426
Nonsense, sex is the essence of excitement. The whole idea is exciting your partner until they climax, but that's just the start. Will you get a child? Will you get some horrible disease? Who knows?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305426
If you ever had sex before you are a truNormal and should leave.

[Anonymous No.]

>is touhou declining?
I hope so.

[Anonymous No.]

Don't worry Touhou is not as repetitive as Mario Bros. not yet.

It still has the flame, maybe its too much of the same but what could you add?

Also aren't there mods out there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305465
>The whole idea is exciting your partner until they climax, but that's just the start. Will you get a child? Will you get some horrible disease? Who knows?
That sounds like a line out of Oglaf.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305478
I'm thinking the fucksmith in particular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11303580
This this this.
Everyone stop bitching.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11303580
Why not just play one of the good Touhou games?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305605
DDC is a good Touhou game for the reasons I said, and I've been playing it.

[Anonymous No.]

The only good thing about DDC is sakuya being playable again.

[Anonymous No.]

>I am unimpressed with touhou14.
Come on dude, ZUN has been selling the same shitty touhou formula for years, you can't call it touch.

[Anonymous No.]

I just played it.

It was good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305627
You haven't listed a single good thing about it, the only thing you said is it isn't completely terrible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305684
So you didn't actually read any of it. Maybe you're just hopping on the hate bandwagon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305708
>Good music, fuck you if you disagree
You know, like the rest of the games.

>Somewhat questionable character designs, what else is new.

An excuse.

>Perfectly fine "gimmicks." Instead of complaining about something new, get better and learn how to handle the screen flip.

In other words, yeah it sucks, but just get used to it faggot.

>Simple, unobtrusive gameplay mechanic. Auto-collect for bonuses is probably my favorite mechanic next to IN time. It rewards being risky with something that has existed since EoSD and doesn't fuck with the base game like trance or UFOs.

ZUN has always rewarded players with being risky by making the point items worth more when you collect them at the top. So why not just tie the extra lives and bombs to score? It would be a lot less unobtrusive then making items pop up constantly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305767
>

ZUN has always rewarded players with being risky by making the point items worth more when you collect them at the top. So why not just tie the extra lives and bombs to score? It would be a lot less unobtrusive then making items pop up constantly

Because some people like it better this way? And same deal for said gimmicks you don't like. Stop thinking everyone is like you or that it means that it's bad now, damnit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305767
>ZUN has always rewarded players with being risky by making the point items worth more when you collect them at the top. So why not just tie the extra lives and bombs to score? It would be a lot less unobtrusive then making items pop up constantly

Because some people like it better this way? And same deal for said "gimmicks" that you don't like. Stop thinking everyone is like you or that it means that it's bad now, damnit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305780
If it were tied to score, you could still earn bombs and lives without visiting the point of collection, you just wouldn't get as many. Instead, ZUN forces you to play a certain way in order to complete the game. That's an objectively bad design.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305767
>An excuse
For what? Touhou characters have always looked eccentric and somewhat poorly drawn.

>In other words, yeah it sucks, but just get used to it faggot.
It doesn't suck, people are just utterly butthurt over having their controls flipped as something different and calling it impossible.

>So why not just tie the extra lives and bombs to score?
There are score extends and item extends.

>>11305785
>ZUN forces you to play a certain way in order to complete the game
What way? Utilizing the score mechanic unique to this game? Oh no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305792
>What way? Utilizing the score mechanic unique to this game? Oh no.

Having to use the point of collection, obviously. What if I like collecting the point items myself? Can't- you won't get bombs and lives unless you use the point of collection. Literally no other Touhou forced you to play a certain way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305795
You could always try to be a better player, not die, and not utilize the very straightforward score mechanic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305807
I'm not a masochist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305824
DDC normal isn't very hard.
Here's me beating the HORRIBLE Normal screen flip, because I feel like posting it. Never mind the fuck up on the first one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=wf3-B5ghqCQ&t=1172

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305838
>This video is private.
Are you just messing with me at this point?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305847
Nah, new account and fucked up settings.
It's public now

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305850
A max life bar? Fuck you. I don't think I ever had that many lives even when you add up the ones you get for continuing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305859
Well Sakuya A is very good. You can use bombs to autocollect enough for a life item, not get hit, and then regain 3/8 of the bomb. Also, you can intentionally get hit with the bomb effect on to autocollect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305861
So I either have to bomb constantly or hover near the top of the screen? It's like he combined the worst aspects of Mountain of Faith and UFO and released them in a single game. Maybe I should go back to PC98. They didn't even have a point of collection back then, thank god.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11302848
I hope so. That would be really neat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11302913
Cute fanart of her being in people's pockets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305870
Well it's not really bombing constantly. In my case I think it's a max of 5 life items I got from intentionally bombing for a 2.0, with a lot of screw ups.
I'm mostly trying to convince that the change of score mechanics and adding of "gimmicks" is actually good, and keeps the series from being a total copy-paste of "move & shoot." This is from the point of view of a Normal player of course. I've seen some Lunatic players bitching about the screen flip, but maybe they can also get better and overcome it instead of complaining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305902
The problem with many Touhou games is that they reward you for bombing through everything.

[Anonymous No.]

touhou is the same stagnatic piece of shit it's always been
how is this news

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305908
What's the easiest way to get to the top of the screen without risking death? Bombing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305922
Exactly. Well, at least in SA you autocollected through grazing, but

1) if you wanted to just survive, you will get life pieces even if you bomb spellcards, but if you try to dodge them instead, you might die and not get your reward, so you might as well dodge anything that looks remotely hard.

2) if you played for score, all you did was suicide and deathbomb through everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305908
Yeah, but that's just how the basic game is set up since EoSD. You always want to autocollect, and a bomb ensures it.
I for one like the system a lot more than arcadey games like Dodonpachi or Battle Garegga chaining and medals. It's still difficult, but gives you room to fuck around a bit instead of memorizing exactly where every enemy will descend, or learning the credit devouring methods of Garegga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11302913
Her career in touhou is finished.
Worst last boss ever.
Fucking bowl
Her danmaku is ugly as fuck.
We already seen Sakuya knives back in EOSD.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11296854
I feel the scene reached its peak two-three years ago. Of course people get tired of making arrangements of the same music over and over.

[Anonymous No.]

the new touhous are a-ok. Bowlhat was no pushover.


it's the stages that suck

they lack the "oomph", the "final stage feeling". All you do is autocollect and bomb.

You could argue that the older stages sucked as well. But those were at least interesting looking. TD for example had cool stuff in the background, like in stage 4. DDC stages look unremarkable.

[Anonymous No.]

So what was the deal with the possessed weapons? Was it ever explained?

[Anonymous No.]

I don't even uderstand if Sukana is the name or Shinmyoumaru.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11302913
>Does she have cool design like Utsuho
Maybe you weren't around long enough to remember, but when Utsuho was revealed literally about half of /jp/ was up in arms about her being the most stupid design ever and a sign of the end of Touhou, and calling her super ugly to boot

Flash forward 2 years and /jp/ had become Okuu Culture

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306043
link to the thread(s)

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306051
Everyone like EOSD PCB and IN

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306043
It's always like this, when it comes to new releases this fanbase is higly similar to the Pokémon one, they tend to shitstorm about the newer releases, every time there's a new Touhou people start hating on it and praise the older game even if they said it was crap before.
But at the same time you can't like EoSD or older game or you instantly get called hipster or oldfaggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306052
>IN
try again, nerd!

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306054
IN is indisputably perfect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306052
Yep, but if you say that those are your favourite games, especially EoSD, you get shittied about it the 80% of the times.
And it's not even my favourite game since I like SA the most.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306058
Look at Kaguya! No hat, the design is bland! She looks like a normal girl if you remove the accessories!

This is what's happening with DDC right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306064
But you fight Erin first as an end boss.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306067
Stupid gimmick that forces you play the game twice!

Everything is bad about touhou when you look at it with shitstorm eyes.

[Anonymous No.]

History repeats itself.

/Thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306037
No, seriously, what's her name? I hope it's Sukana otherwise she has the most annoying name when you have to write it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306088
Shinmyoumaru

[Anonymous No.]

What's a kobito? I tried searching everywhere but I don't find anything.

[Anonymous No.]

I always judge the new games based on Imperishable night stage 3. If the stage 3 in a demo isn't fun enough (or pretty) as in IN, the rest of the game will not be that good. IN stage 3 was the last stage 3 I liked.
stage3
stage 3

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306108
I like every stage 3 equally and I think everyone is really great if you don't count Meiling's.

[Anonymous No.]

I think it is pretty much confirmed that stage6 of DDC is shit.
It doenst feel like one, it is just like your run of the mill stage6. Compare it to PCB where you have sakura everywhere and Yuyuko last spell card, it feel like a boss.
What were her gimmick? UGLY ASS PIXELATED TITAN DANMAKU? What happened after you beat her? Just a shitty slowmo with normal danmaku? Nothing memorable at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306114
>sakura

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306117
sakura petals you autist

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306114
I still want my touhou final boss escape sequence where shit blows up all around you after the boss croaks

[Anonymous No.]

I can't wait for the bitching about TH15 being the decline of touhou after these characters have been gotten used to and assimilated into the fanworks so that everyone loves them

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306134
just because


>>11306083

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305838
I liked the gimics and patterns (except the very last one, that's just bullshit)

Maybe you didn't like because you can't read moon runes and have no idea of what they are talking about

I will wait for the English patch before i judge the game any more than i already have

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306144
Even if those guy's are complete moronic circlejerkers they already translated the dialogues in a pretty good way, finally I could understand why there's that tsukumogami gimmick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306152
http://thpatch.net/wiki/Th14
forgot link

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306152
Does the translation patch thing actually work yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306155
For the full DDC I think not, they're halfway the project though, they first decided to dump translations in their site so you can read them while they're adjusting the stuff. I'm not really following them so I don't know if that's the actual situation for sure.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the canon ending? Reimu's as usual?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306170
All endings are canon, as usual.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306186
Except they're not.
For example Reimu's UFO endings aren't canon and the SA ones have Reimu solving the incident but Marisa actually going underground too (probably coming back during the middle of the plot).

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306195
wait
is there a game where reimu's ending is not canon??

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306205
Just UFO.
ZUN said Marisa B has the canon route in UFO, since it leads directly to extra. In a similar vein, it's safe to say route C1 is the canon route in Fairy Wars, since it's the only one that sets up the extra stage.

[Anonymous No.]

DDC is pretty fun, but Sukuna's stage was kinda disappointing. Her character design is... pretty silly, I mean, sillier than usual. I'm not really good, I can't 1cc any game on hard, but it took me only 1 credit to defeat her on normal, so I guess it's kinda easy. Characters seem pretty boring and dialogue isn't that funny, but maybe I'll warm up to them in time just like I warmed up to TD crew. But it's pretty fun to play as Sakuya A at least!

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306205
Suimusou

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306093
It's a dwarf. Literally "tiny people"

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>>11306093
>>11306679

Dwarf gets the wrong idea across. A dwarf is a short person but still usually the size of a child, a kobito is much smaller, like the size of a bug. Issun-boshi is Shinmyoumaru's progenitor, and he was about an inch tall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306716
Sounds like western fairies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306726

There's no real western equivalent, it's most like the people of Lilliput from Gulliver's Travels. (They had no clear mythological origin, too.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306739
Thumbelina and Tom Thumb, yo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306239
>it's pretty fun to play as Sakuya A
WHAT ARE YOU CASUL?

[Anonymous No.]

I like th14

[Anonymous No.]

>>11303027
You talking shit about my waifu?

[Anonymous No.]

UFO > SA > PCB > EoSD > IN > MoF > DDC > TD

My opinion is correct

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306863
What about PoFV?

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>>11306863

Why do people like SA? It's objectively the hardest(hard hard, not fun hard) game, it has the most unlikeable and forgettable cast of characters, as well as having an almost all the way through mediocre soundtrack.

I can't let you get away with thinking your opinion isn't wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306906
>hard
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmgit gud

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306912

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtAUsVXB9OU

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306906
> it has the most unlikeable and forgettable cast of characters
How does it feel to have a tongue made out of shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306906
>it has the most unlikeable and forgettable cast of characters, as well as having an almost all the way through mediocre soundtrack.
no, all of the iconic characters except yamame, pretty much all of the tracks are from good to awesome.

[Anonymous No.]

>search "東方輝針城" on Pixiv
>90% of submissions are first three bosses

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306906
It has my favorite cast. Entire Komeiji family is love

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>>11307071
The full game has been out for 2 days.
What the hell do you expect?

[Anonymous No.]

DDC is the best main series shooter since Imperishable Night. You guys are being babbies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11307084
Why "main series"? Did you prefer GFW to IN or something?

[Anonymous No.]

I have no idea what most of you were expecting. It's fun. Most 2hu games are fun. Quit fucking crying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11306906
I've just spent 5 minutes to make a small chart showing how unlikeable and forgettable SA cast/music is compared to IN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11307090
Shmups aren't supposed to be fun.

Here is the hierarchy of qualities for shmups:
1. challenging
2. pretty
3. pleasant to the ears
4. interesting
5. plot-having
6. stressful
7. fun

If you're having fun while playing a shmup, you aren't playing it right. Up the difficulty or set yourself a better challenge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11307105
I'm sorry you're too much a child to find a good challenge fun, but many of us do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11307113
A good challenge is work. Work is the opposite of fun.

This is your job, Anon. Try harder. Keep clearing stages, as far as you can go!

[Anonymous No.]

>>11307120
g-ganbarimasu!!!

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>>11307120
That's wrong, stupid.
Believe it or not, games are meant to be fun. Just because this happens to be a series considered to be little more challenging doesn't make it work.
If you're playing shmups and not having fun, YOU'RE doing it wrong.

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>>11307135
This is really none of my business but, I think you're being trolled.

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>>11307072
>>11307103

Ah yes, two of the characters from SA are indeed popular. The only reason I can think of would be people being hipsters because "I like characters from the least popular game LOL".

As for the themes listed, those are indeed decent ones(apart from Satori's), but they weren't even the ones I was referring to. I seriously cannot find any other justification for SA being "liked" than people being utterly hipster-y. It's quite sickening really.

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>>11307582
>two of the characters
Utsuho is still higher in all popularity polls than Kaguya and Eirin. And she has more art on pixiv/danbooru. And her theme is still more popular than any theme from IN. And it has more remixes/arrangements.

Anyway your "hipsters" argument is just retarded. Those are fucking popularity polls, people who like characters/music from top-10 cannot be hipsters by a DEFINITION.

You're just mad that your game is not so popular, doesn't get art, doujinshis and theme arrangements.

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>>11307743

But it does. IN isn't my favourite game after all.

I'm just mad because I see absolutely no reason at all for why SA is so popular. There aren't many Touhous I dislike, but by "coincidence" I do detest EVERY SA character apart from Yuugi, and that with a passion.

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>>11307864
>I do detest EVERY SA character apart from Yuugi
There is no image to depict the immenseness of your faggotry.

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>>11307874

She's the only one whose dialog doesn't make me rest my head in my hands and look at the screen in disbelief(apart from in Suika's route). Why does that make me a "faggot"? Shouldn't you be trying to tell me why SA is supposedly good instead of trying to insult me?

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>>11306906
>Why do people like SA? It's objectively the hardest(hard hard, not fun hard) game

What part do you have problems with. I might be able to help. Trust me, I'm a doctor.

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>>11306906
>It's objectively the hardest(hard hard, not fun hard) game
It was the second Touhou game I 1cc'd on Normal. It's not the hardest for everyone (meaning you misused "objectively").

>it has the most unlikeable and forgettable cast of characters
Ten Desires would like to have a word with you.

>having an almost all the way through mediocre soundtrack
It's not the best soundtrack, but it's far better than TD and DDC which seem to sound the same after a while.

>

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>>11307864
>IN isn't my favourite game after all.
I was sure it was IN since you mentioned that SA is too hard. Eeeh.... MoF then? It's not a hard game, just like IN. I don't think i can be EoSD since it rather hard too. Like hard hard, not fun hard. The rank system, random patterns, limited resources (at least you can bomb almost everything in SA).
>I see absolutely no reason at all for why SA is so popular
You don't even try to see it.
>>11307916
Dialogues? Is this the only thing you care about? What about designs, backstory, personality?
Dialogues never made any sense in any of the games. But for example I don't understand how couldn't you like when Satori offered tea to Reimua and Marisa. That was cute. How many other touhous were so hospitable towards main characters? (Yuyuko in TD doesn't count, that was plagiarism).

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>>11307973

You really mean to argue that stage 5 in SA isn't a literal hell to get through(hue)? It's the only thing consistently preventing me from 1CCing SA, and I've already 1CCed every other game apart from TD, which I haven't really played still.

>>11307977

No, EoSD is my favourite game by far. The random patterns do piss me off, but I still find it a more enjoyable experience than the other games(maybe because it has the best soundtrack?). As for dialogues, it's not exclusively what I care about. I care about ZUN's canon though. Sure, designs, backstory and personality are all important things too, which is exactly my problem with the SA cast. I still hold that Satori is the most ugly and deformed character ZUN ever put in a Touhou game, and that's saying something. Concerning the tea thing, I'd expect no less from her given her backstory, so it's no more cute than someone saying "you can eat me".

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>>11308475
>You really mean to argue that stage 5 in SA isn't a literal hell to get through(hue)? It's the only thing consistently preventing me from 1CCing SA, and I've already 1CCed every other game apart from TD, which I haven't really played still.
Which difficulty? Are you talking about the stage or the boss fight?

[Anonymous No.]

Did you guys enjoy the music at least? Because honestly that's what 2hu is all about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11308531
I don't remember the stage 4-6 music.
I wish ZUN made a new game over / score screen music though, it's still MoF music.

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>>11308497

In SA it's actually on Normal. I usually play on Hard, but I still cannot 1CC SA on Normal. The stage itself is kind of difficult, but manageable. Orin just wrecks me from the get-go though.

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>>11308542
I made this image shortly after SA release. Hope it helps.
For the zombie fairy card, you may want to loop around Orin once and then stay at the bottom and shoot everything down.

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>>11308531
It's been the usual progression for me. A few tracks stand out but then as I listen to it more I fall in love with the rest of them. Seriously this shit is great, I'm not sure how ZUN does it but his music is the only music I warm up to like this.

[Anonymous No.]

It would have been better if the last three stages had PC-98 characters as the bosses instead. Like Yumeko, Kurumi, or Mima.
The first three bosses of DDC were pretty cool, though.

ZUN needs to stop making boring, bland new characters, and start reusing and expanding on the personalities of some of his older characters.

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>>11308565
Agreed, bring back EoSD and IN.

[Anonymous No.]

Touhou started to decline since Higly Responsitive to Prayers, no game is good, there isn't any good about the series just a bunch of stupid girls fighting about idiotics things and that's all. All of you should get a better life because you are wasting it in a horrible and useless game that was always horrible.

Obviously that was pure sarcasm, I think that you can judge Touhou because it will always depends on you personal opinion or at least most of you use it when talking about them. You guys also compare it a lot with the older games, what are you guys? I really want to know.
You also forget that ZUN stated that he wanted to do a neo retro game (hence similarities with older games) and a little more basic and simple, you were warned of it before the demo was relased so yeah you are arguing about something that you knew since the first place and that makes you all really stupids.

My personal opinion about the game is that it's really a cool game it still has the difficult that other games had and those things, maybe a overdrive mode or something new like that would have been a little more cool, but I am happy with this game like I was with all the games.
I hope Touhou 15 brings the gensokyo war that Kanako started since Mountain of Faith. Kanako I don't want to blame you but since you appeared all the fans have started to lose faith in the games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11308565
>>The first three bosses of DDC were pretty cool, though.
No. Kagerou is fucking stupid and out of place. Wakasagihime is great, but I feel like she should have been saved for some kind of aquatic/ocean-related touhou game. Sekibanki is interesting, but she also feels out of place. I fucking hate Benben and that other bitch, and Raiko too. They serve no purpose as Kogasa already serves their niche, and they don't build off of that. I really like Seija though, and Sukuna's okay too. I really dislike the setup of this games though, the first half is halloween-y shit that doesn't even add up or relate to the 2nd half. ZUN should have either went all dark and western or all Japanese magic toybox shit. Not half-and-half-i-don't-know-what-the-fuck-i-am-doing-with-this-release.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11308565

The 1 dimensional personality is what makes it so popular though. Touhous when they first come out are just templates for fans to expand on them. At least I think that's how everyone see's it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11309941

I dunno though, it seems like he had an idea but it wasn't very well formulated. You can't blame him for at least trying though. Hopefully he'll learn and refine whatever he's aiming for for the next game.

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>>11309941
> I really dislike the setup of this games though, the first half is halloween-y shit that doesn't even add up or relate to the 2nd half.
Having the first three stage bosses be randomly puttering around and not knowing any more about the incident than you do is like, just normal. EoSD, PCB, IN, PoFV, IaMP, and SWR are all set up this way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11310080

1st and 2nd, the 3rd isn't involved but can point you in the right direction, barring Meiling.

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>>11310080
At least the atmosphere isn't changed much.
PCB still has relation with seasons, IN with nocturnal youkai/animal.
but DDC went from western 2hus to tsukkumogamis and then Isshun-boshi. That's kinda messed up.

[Anonymous No.]

This thread was better when it was in response to Subterranean Animism. Here's how it happens:

1. You're introduced to Touhou
2. You either play the games or don't.
3. You're hit with the massive wall of content that's been built up over the years, and you slowly sift through it.
4. You eventually scale the wall.
5. You're now caught up to the current state of Touhou, and you start getting new things at the rate at which they're actually released (i.e. months apart). You no longer have your constant stream of content that is new to you.
5. You make a Touhou is declining thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11310116
I can't count, please rape my face

[Anonymous No.]

>>11296854
>I am unimpressed with touhou14.
>Is ZUN losing his touch?

I thought he peaked at Imperishable Night and every game he released after that has been worse. In the newest couple games I can't even remember the characters in them.

Makes me kind of think the whole Touhou might be a fad that will eventually pass, and Zun will die of liver chirrosis without having monetized it while he had the chance.

[Anonymous No.]

Shinmyoumaru is cute. Like how she kicks her legs when she floats, sits in her cup and rocks back and forth when casting a spell card.

>>11309941
>No. Kagerou is fucking stupid and out of place
What do you mean by "out of place?" She's basically a random werewolf in the woods that you come across and blow up. That's. . . pretty normal for Touhou.

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>>11309941
>ZUN should have either went all dark and western or all Japanese magic toybox shit. Not half-and-half-i-don't-know-what-the-fuck-i-am-doing-with-this-release.
It's almost like he is...double dealing characters

[Anonymous No.]

Somebody please tell me. Can I play this one in 640x480 if I want to?

I couldn't play the last fighting game because of forced 720p.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11305795
> Literally no other Touhou forced you to play a certain way
Did you like not play the last 4 touhou games?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11296854
DDC was much better than TD, especially in danmaku patterns and music. TD didn't even have any memorable themes and the designs were forgettable apart from Yoshika.

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>>11310080
EoSD - Cirno and Rumia are in the direction of the Mansion, they halt Reimu/Marisa; Meiling guards the Mansion gate, that's pretty relevant
PCB - Letty and Alice relate to the seasons and Reimu/Marisa figuring out the incident; Chen is relevant to the EX bosses
IN - Wriggle and Mystia relate to the night and are in the way; Keine is relevant to the EX boss and is also related to night
PoFV and the fighters are kind of built to be that way. For them, the X vs X mechanic is more apparent than the single-player story aspect. Their stories are also relevant to each character and they change based on the selected character.
The characters in SA, TD, and MoF are also relevant to the main setting of the story.
DS and StB are designed to be all over the place as Aya is collecting bunbunmaru material.

DDC is just random 1-3,then sudden direction change in 4-6.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11310264
Hah. No.
Miko, Futo, Mamizou, Kyouko, Seiga, and Yoshika are all pretty memorable. DDC is leftovers from other touhou games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11310302
I only remember two of those characters. Even if I had to think about the game I can only remember one more who left an impression on me. Christ, TD was such a terrible game.

On the other hand, I rather enjoyed this game's first 3 bosses. The rest will probably fall into the depths of obscurity in my mind as well.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't understand why those three or four people try so hard to hate on TD. The only thing "wrong" with it is that it's easier than the others. Which doesn't really mean anything anyway seeings how most of /jp/ can't get past normal modo.

[Anonymous No.]

Seija's and Sekibanki's theme are the only memorable ones.
I was really disappointed by the last boss' theme

[Anonymous No.]

>>11307977
>IN
>not a hard game
Do you even score you limp-dicked secondary?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11310817
Bowl loli's was the best theme in the game dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>11310817
I like the ones you mentioned as well, but the stage 6 boss's theme has really grown on me. It just has a rather jarring start.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11310828
What does scoring has anything to do with difficulty, nerd?
Can you beat the WR in TD then? That game is so easy, you just press X and C! I'm sure you've already hit the absolute maximum score in it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11310817
>>11310817

How can anyone not immensely enjoy Raiko's theme? Those fucking drums, man. Best song in the game.

[Anonymous No.]

stage 5 theme is the best song.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11310911
I liked it, needed more drums though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11310911
It's too Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>My opinion
the gameplay is the same the new system isnt as good as IN or PCB but fine as is.
My main complaint on the "decline" of toho is the music, its just so unmemorable right now, the last song i can really remember is from SA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11311010

I have no idea how Emotional Skyscraper ~ Cosmic Mind or Heian Alien fail to make their mark. Dullahan Beneath The Willows and Primordial Beat are both just as memorable to me.
You just need to stop and listen to the OSTs more than once, since unlike when you first got into Touhou, there aren't dozens of remixes freely available of every theme to imprint them into your mind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11311046
Heian no Alien is just U.N. Owen remixed by Jay-ZUN. The same goes for Kagerou's theme.
And on that note, God, I wish ZUN would stop doing that. Flandre really messed me up and hearing her theme when I don't expect to causes some serious PTSD.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11310862
>What does scoring has anything to do with difficulty, nerd?
Some scoring systems are more difficult than others. News at 11.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11311698
>caring about score

[Anonymous No.]

>>11311698
It doesn't matter how difficult the scoring system is.
You can say that one game is easier than other only in terms of survival. For example you have spent 100 hours to 1cc IN and only 50 hours for TD. Therefore you can say TD is easier.
But it's not like there is some maximum amount of points in the game you can reach. When playing for score you're just trying to improve your previous results every time. After a year of playing a game improving your best score by 5% is similarly hard both for IN and TD. Maybe IN has higher skill ceiling than TD, but it's still far from being reached by any player in the world.