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New Grisaia thread

http://vndb.org/v5154
http://sukebei.nyaa.eu/?page=view&tid=43753
http://tlwiki.org/index.php?title=Grisaia_no_Kajitsu

>> No.11263455
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so many cliche characters
no wonder it got an anime

>> No.11263464

>>11263455
bazinga

>> No.11263467

>>11263455
Are you ironically hating something now that it's translated/popular?

>> No.11263469
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>>11263467
Im playing it now, and Im a bit unhappy with the slut onee-chan and this somewhat cute but still dimwitted tsundere.

Where are my Nukige translations?

>> No.11263489

>>11263469
>Where are my Nukige translations?
Dude, Mangagamer doesn't have enough for you?

>> No.11263510
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>>11263489
it hasnt done anything good, like immoral little or any of the complets vns

>> No.11263514

>>11263455
Does it count as cliche if she's consciously acting out the cliche and is actually nothing like it?

>> No.11263516

finished sacchi yesterday

doing tsundere
i dont like her as much

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say no to localizations

>> No.11263615

>>11263469
top fucking lel

you EOPs never cease to amaze me

>> No.11263631

This is my first time playing a game that has neither enforced route order nor true route.

What do.

>> No.11263642

>>11263631
Choose who you like

>> No.11263643

>>11263469
Stop randomly inserting Japanese words into your posts if you don't even speak the language. This isn't Gaia Online.

>> No.11263650

>>11263643
Perfectly normal terms to use considering what board we're on, dear.

>> No.11263654

>>11263642
B-but what if I choose wrong!

>> No.11263748

>>11263654
All the other girls will die terribly.

>> No.11263768

>>11263748
Oh god.

I've never had so this much responsibility in my hands in my whole life.

>> No.11263776

So what makes this game so good? Is it terribly funny? Amazingly sweet? Or is it just more psychological tripe American fans go apeshit over that I've never liked?

I would like to play it but not if I'm going to hate it.

>> No.11263786

>>11263776
It's terribly funny and strikes a good balance between comedy, romance and drama during the routes.

>> No.11263818

>>11263776
>just more psychological tripe American fans go apeshit over that I've never liked?
>psychological
I'm pretty sure you mean mistery/thrillers. I don't recall many translated VNs actually being psychological other than MuvLuv, that word is really often misused.

By the way, this is actually psychological, as in, the girls all have psychological problems and that's what brings most of the drama.

>> No.11263819

>>11263786
Well ok then.

>> No.11263838

So... how 'bout that Makina bad end?

>> No.11264026

>>11263838
You mean the Makina Good End?
Oh wait, no, they're exactly the fucking same. No wonder I'd get confused.
In a less heated manner, Makina was probably my least favorite route, to be honest. I liked all the Yuuki stuff, but everything related to Makina bothered me. She is the worst character.

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I don't see why Yuuji isn't tapping that every night.

>> No.11264363

>>11264346
I'm trying a translation aggregator, but it's a bit hard to read this way. Damnit, I can't wait until the sequels are translated. Until then, I'll have to hash through this. Or learn the language.

>> No.11264396

>>11264363
Well it would be technically take less time to learn Japanese than wait for the translations.

Also a reminder to everyone, translations are not 100% guaranteed, something can always come up for the translator.

>> No.11264437

>>11264363

You can start reading moege in a matter of months, starting from nothing

Build up from that

>> No.11264441

>>11263650
by your logic it's also perfectly normal to not rely on translations

>> No.11264443

>>11264026
What kind of secret character is that Yuuki?
Does she get any ero scenes?

>> No.11264454

>>11264363
The Japanese level of grisaia isn't that easy, you should try easier moege first.

>> No.11264466

>>11264443
Sorry, the K and J keys are in close locations.
Yuuji* is actually in a lot of ero scenes. All of them, in fact.

>> No.11264480

>>11264466
wow, she must be a real slut

>> No.11264492

When will people realize that Japanese→English translations don't work?

>> No.11264535

Makina's laugh is a miracle of the universe.

>> No.11264702

I just finished Michuru's and Amane's routes. I can understand why people have been anxiously waiting for this.

I first watched Amane's bad end and I half-expected even the good end to end on a sad note but I was pleasantly surprised.

>> No.11264732

>>11264702
Save Sachi's route for last. Because it's my personal favorite.
Then again, the order I did things in, without guides, was Amane, Chiruchiru, Yumiko, Sachi, and Makina.

Then my preferences are Sachi, Chiruchiru, Yumiko, and I disliked Amane and Makina.

>> No.11264740

>>11264732
Eroge experts like me don't need guides but I'll probaby continue with Yumiko.

>> No.11264749

Michiru is penultimate waifu material and MC is cute as fuck, we look upon perfection, gentlemen.

>> No.11264751

>>11264749
>penultimate
Blasphemy. Michiru is the ultimate waifu material.

>> No.11264764

>>11264702
On that note, I've yet to see Amane on her bobber.

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No it isn't.

>> No.11264834

Im yawning now

when does it get better?

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>>11264834
forgot my image

>> No.11264858

>>11264835
calm your ADHD.

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Man, why does every grisaia thread is started with amane pic?

pic unrelated, best girl

>> No.11264875

>>11264864
I guess someone has to think Makina is the best girl.

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It's a crime that best girl doesn't have a route

>> No.11264915

>>11264893
She will in the sequels, I'm sure.

>> No.11265376 [DELETED] 

I don't know how to spoiler blackout text.

All I want to know is this.

WHY is there so much piss? Only finished one route and gotten about... 60%ish through a 2nd. But I've seen 4 instances of piss in CGs. Is it just a Japanese thing? Am I woefully misinformed about the female body?

>> No.11265390

All I want to know is this.

WHY is there so much piss? Only finished one route and gotten about... 60%ish through a 2nd. But I've seen 4 instances of it. Is it just a Japanese thing? Am I woefully misinformed about something here?

>> No.11265396

>>11265390
because it's hot

>> No.11265399

what's this shit about? dating?

>> No.11265434

>>11265399
It's about Mr. Perfect, the main character, and his harem of mentally challenged girls.

>> No.11265484

Currently in Amane route, I called it when she's not fond of meat but, seriously what the fuck?

>> No.11265507 [DELETED] 

Take it to >>>/vg/

>> No.11265598

>>11264769
I know that feel

>> No.11266217

i want to fuck julia

>> No.11266242

>>11265484

So have you passed the point where she has to leave Kazuki to die or later when she finds out she's still alive? I didn't quite enjoy doing the bad end just to find out the latter. The writer is an asshole

>> No.11266266

>>11264835
>>11264834

I think that might be like a quarter way into the common route? The school life stuff really starts to drag on after a while.

>> No.11266269 [DELETED] 

>>11266242
Delete your post and rewrite it with appropriate spoiler tags.

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>>11264875

She's seriously such an unlikable cunt. I wanna punch that smirk right off her smug face.

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Rate each girl (not route) on a scale of 1 to 10:
- Amane: 7
- Makina: 2
- Michiru: 8
- Yumiko: 7

>> No.11266550

>>11263449
Do they fuck?

>> No.11266567
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Rate each girl (not route) on a scale of 1 to 10:
- Amane: 7
- Makina: 2
- Michiru: 8
- Sachi: 4
- Yumiko: 7

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>>11266567

Switch Amane and Michru. Sachi should be a 6.

Kazuki and JB should both get an 8

>> No.11266640

>>11266567
>>11266617

This should be easier than filling the thread with waifu wars though

http://strawpoll.me/305355

>> No.11266643

>>11266567
- Amane: 4
- Makina: 2
- Michiru: 9
- Sachi: 7
- Yumiko: 8

>> No.11266652

>>11266617
what a slut
I threw up in my mouth a bit

>> No.11266656

Amane: 9
Makina: 4
Michiru: 7
Sachi: 3
Umiko: 6

>> No.11266662

>>11266640
But that's the whole point

>> No.11266659

>>11266652

fag

>> No.11266670

>>11266652
Due to the single target of her advances you can hardly call her that.

>> No.11266675

>>11266670
fine
she is lewd, please ignore my previous observations of "slut"

>> No.11266683

>>11266670

She's more or less trying to fill Kazuki's place anyway rather than it being of her own volition

>> No.11266692

>>11266640
90% Amane
Good work everyone

>> No.11266728

>>11266692
>Choosing worst girl

>> No.11266730

>>11266692
What happened to /jp/'s tastes now on days...?

>> No.11266747

>>11266728

He didn't say Makina

>>11266730

Yeah, it's actually good for once. I'm surprised.

>> No.11266751

>>11266747
>He didn't say Makina
Good point. At least there's that. Shame /jp/ chose the second worst girl.

>> No.11266760

What's with westerners and their necessity to love only one and hate every other character?
The girls in grisaia are all pretty adorable, I love all, except yumiko.

>> No.11266762

>>11266747
>>11266751
You both are forgetting how Yumiko is by far the worst.

>> No.11266773

>>11266760
Everybody has a preference. I too like all the girls but I prefer Amane and her backstory the most.

>> No.11266788

>>11266762

She is not. The whole stabbing thing was a bit over the top, but she's pretty ok for the rest of it.

>>11266760

I love all, except makina.

>> No.11266791

>>11266656
>>11266643
>>11266567
Why do you all hate the Machina?

>> No.11266812

>>11266791
Honestly, it's the way she talks, the way she acts, and her appearance that makes me hate her.

>>11266760
I love all, except Amane and Makina.

>>11266762
Yumiko's pretty awesome, though.

>> No.11266824

Why dont you peasants hate my favorite character?
I dont like peasants liking the same thing of me.

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Quite a shame that the best character doesn't even appear in this game.

>> No.11266833

It's like you people always have to have the shittiest taste possible

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Does discussing who's the best girl have a point here?
I mean, we all know Michiru is the best girl, but you all are too tsundere to admit it.

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>>11266848
Michiru? Best girl? Don't make me laugh.

>> No.11266863

>>11266860
I thought Kazuki has a mechanical arm.

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Yumiko has the best titties

>> No.11266885

>>11266833
4chan, especially /jp/, as a whole has always had a contrarian stance on this, picking the unlikely or unpopular characters just because.

>> No.11266917

>>11266885

Wow, its like you're really 5 years old! You sure you're not projecting son? Because that has to be the most retarded logic I've ever seen in my life.

Yeah. This recently translated porn game is so popular among the mainstream, that 4chan "as whole" picked the "unpopular" character just to be "lel edgy xD". Want me to get you a tampon for your bleeding anus?

>> No.11266929

>>11266917
Says the angry nerd sperging over an opinionated post in an anonymous imageboard.

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>>11266929

Yes, laughing at the utter retardation in your post sure does make me an "angry nerd" lyl xD. You sure told me buddy.

>> No.11266949

>>11266917
Yeah, picking everything in that post out of context and rendering it meaningless is a sign of awesome argumentative skills.

>> No.11266974

>>11266949

>picking everything in that post out of context

"Everyone who likes something I don't like is just picking the unpopular choice to be hip and edgy."

Sure is out of context. Just look at all the threads on 4chan, including this one, where there's a consensus of everyone choosing the unpopular character "for teh lulz".

>> No.11266981

>>11266974
Don't you know about the 4chan megaphone desktop notification app?

1 day ago a notification poped up saying "Support Amane for best/most popular character in Grisaia 1"

>> No.11266990

>>11266974
Why do you keep making up shit? Are you just shitposting?

>> No.11267009

>>11266981

>"Support Amane for best/most popular character in Grisaia 1"

If that was true, then surely all the edgy hipsters would root against her since she is the "best/most popular character" no? You're not making any sense.

>>11266990

Except that's basically what it says right here >>11266885. God forbid people actually have opinions. No, it's just a bee hive that supports unpopular characters for hipster points

>> No.11267028

>>11266863
There are short side stories in the sequels that aren't cannon and mostly have Yuuji screwing most of the female cast.

>> No.11267029

>>11267009
>If that was true, then surely all the edgy hipsters would root against her since she is the "best/most popular character" no? You're not making any sense.

I'm on your side. It's sarcasm. There's no hivemind and no hipster edginess against the "true" best character.

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How erotic

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A man of taste.

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Just to be clear, this isn’t the choice that lands you on Sachi’s route but one of the choices without meaning, right?

>> No.11267265

>>11267259

Every choice in your life has a meaning anon.

>> No.11267269

>>11267259
You need to help Sachi twice to get into her route.

>>11267265
Fuck you, I laughed.

>> No.11267270

>>11267265
Thanks.

>> No.11267273

>>11267259
Help Sachi

>> No.11267276

>>11267269
>>11267273
I’m just not sure yet which route order I want.
And if I help Sachi twice, do I still get a choice later on to get the bad and good ends? Or is choosing Sachi only once the bad end?

>> No.11267282

>>11267276
You can still choose someone else's route later, but unless you help Sachi twice in the common route, you can't get on hers

>> No.11267283

>>11267276

Choosing Sachi even once leads to a bad end if you ask me

>> No.11267302

>>11267276
The first three choices of the game don't split you off into any routes. From there, you can ride the common route all the way to Yumiko, or you can split off the common route for each different choice you get after the first three.

>> No.11267308

>>11267302
Not him, but there is a true route that segues into the sequel right?

>> No.11267312

>>11267308
Not exactly. There is no true route, from what I can tell. I don't speak moonrunes, but the second seems to take place a year after the MC enters the school. From what I can tell, it's an implied split off of the common route- one you can't actually play.

>> No.11267313

>>11267308

No.

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.... well, damn. Good game, good translation.

Thanks koestl.

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>>11267330

stop bully pls

>> No.11267356

>>11267347

It's not bullying when she thinks that way herself?

>> No.11267373

>>11267356

>thinks

She only acts that way around Yuuji and in essence, she's probably imitating how she thinks Kazuki would act toward him.

>> No.11267441

>>11267340
Yeah, Yuuji, you sure told them...nope, you're still an insufferable, callous dick in my eyes.

>> No.11267468

>>11267373

Go down her path sometime. The perspective flips to her thoughts, and how she actually enjoys dicks.

Some of her overt sex was acting, but she also really likes the D.

>> No.11267474

>>11267441
yup thats what they were going for with his character.

job done

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Michiru is [spoilers]canon

>> No.11267506

>>11267441
It's better than 'stupid, clueless harem lead', like the cliche.

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Michiru is canon

>> No.11267518

>>11267468

>Go down her path sometime.

You should take your own advice sometime. Even if it she claimed to enjoying to having sex with Yuuji, >>11267330 is completely referring to the overt acting, which is of course just an act. By your logic, since every girl enjoyed their sex scenes, half of all their heads are filled with dicks.

>> No.11267530

>>11267506
>>11267474
Heh, just goes to show that only no life losers would ever sympathize with an asshole like him. As expected from your average /jp/sie.

>> No.11267535

>>11267530
I'm not sympathizing with him, I'm saying that, from a purely narrative perspective, a unique character, even if they're unlikable, is better than a cliche cookie-cutter character.

>> No.11267538

>>11267530
2alpha4you

>> No.11267561

>>11267530
You're being awfully childish about this.

>> No.11267563

>>11267535
Unique? He is the archetypal "alpha" dickhead as >>11267538 eloquently stated. Having to constantly hear his "hurr I don't give a fuck" thoughts in his head is worse than being dense and oblivious to me.

For someone who was a soldier in his past life, he sure acts like a know it all brat.

>> No.11267594

>>11267563
Man, if Yuuji was an alpha he would have fucked Amane on like day 3 of the common route.

>> No.11267597

>>11267594
Make that day one if he was a nigra.

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>>11267518

Oh, let's not forget the sex diary, or how wet she gets at the festival, or the times when she's -not- having sex with him and thinking about how she wants to. Unrelated to the development down her path.

But, of course, that wouldn't be your strawman, and it wouldn't amuse you by trying to stir up arguments to pass the time. Have fun and good luck with that.

>> No.11267603

>>11267594
>>11267597

He was thinking about marriage as soon as he kissed her

>/jp/ as fuck

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>>11267599

>that wouldn't be your strawman, and it wouldn't amuse you by trying to stir up arguments to pass the time. Have fun and good luck with that.

How about you speak for yourself and try a little less hard with the projection.

They all want to have sex with the MC, if that's new to you for some reason. Even with her diary and private thoughts made known as opposed to the others, it doesn't take a genius to figure they all feel the same way. That pic is of MC talking about she acts overly sexual around him, key word being ACT, as in contrast to how she reacted when he first kissed her.

>> No.11267694

>>11267659
whats with anime girls wanting to be treated like pigs?
at this rate Im going to be vomiting in my mouth in all my playthroughs

>> No.11267715

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1nKVN05ANvU

Sounds more like my washing machine that what the sound artist aimed for.

>> No.11267722

>>11267715

You must have a weak washing machine. Sounds like someone trying to take a piss but it keeps getting stuck.

>> No.11267742

>>11267722
It's the sound of the gray-water pump after the drum has been emptied, the splashes being the water draining from the clothes as its pumped through together with air.

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Why is Amane such a horny chick? She has the fastest sex sex scene compared to the other girls.

>> No.11267773

>>11267764
She also has more sex scenes than the others, I believe.

>> No.11267775

>>11267764

You mean aside from the fact she's been all over him from day 1, already confessed to him very early in the game, and in actuality has basically been waiting for him since she left Kazuki to die? No reason at all.

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>>11263786
>>11263818
Well 2 hours in and this seems to be exactly the type of thing I was talking about. The main character, if I were to guess, is a paramilitary thug who they're trying to give a decent school life to out of some desire for payback.

I have yet to see any humor other than briefly with the fake tsundere and so far as I can tell it's going to be a very dreary story.

Thank you for the recommendation but it's not for me, I like upbeat fun shit people on /jp/ generally ignore like Tsun na Kanojo Dere na Kanojo, Loverable, Angel Ring, Kiss! Me! Me!, Shuffle! and its like.

Not much into depression and psychology lessons or whatever you wanna call it which is what people usually give 9s and 10s to on VNDB

Still, thank you for putting up with me.

>> No.11267949

>>11267903
Maybe the very beginning gave you a strange impression, but It really is pure fun through the (long) common route. Most of the humor comes from the interactions between the heroines. That said, the routes are indeed "psychology lessons"

>> No.11267977

Yumiko's "bad" end was not that bad (especially compared to the unsettled dreams Amane's bad end left me with for one night).

>> No.11268040

>>11267977
They have a son instead of a daughter, so Yuuji can't play with her in the bath. Worst end

>> No.11268223

So I just finished Makina's route... and I have one question.

That is this: What the fuck was that shot at the end? Was that her being shot? If so.... fuck that. FUCK THAT.

>> No.11268233

>>11268223
That was Makina shooting.

>> No.11268454

>>11267009
Nobody ever mentioned "edgy" or "hipster" until you did.

I agree with that anon, but it hasn't settled yet. Just wait for a character to get really popular and she'll start getting hated.

>> No.11268460

>>11267510
What the fuck, Makina?

>> No.11269019

I can understand why people say that Michiru is the best girl now.

>> No.11269267

This thread shall rise again.

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>>11269019
Ganna have to agree

>> No.11269413

>>11269406
How come I haven't seen this image, even though I already completed the route?

>> No.11269431

>>11269413
It's from the third game

>> No.11269436

>>11269431
Why, that'd explain it.

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>>11269019

Because she's legally retarded?

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>>11269019

Because she's legally retarded and autisits can relate to her?

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Such a great woman.

>> No.11269544

>>11269537

Isn't she quoting a magazine here? I'm never letting my imaginary daughter read those smutty magazines ever again. Thank you porn game for opening my eyes.

>> No.11269574

>>11269537
Is this the actual writing? Is that supposed to be the quirk of this game?

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Why is she so perfect?

>> No.11269627

>>11269619
you will never pet makina on the head

>> No.11269629 [DELETED] 

>>11269619

You mean total and utter retard? I thought she was just pretending for a while, but at this point there should have been an option to put her out of your misery

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>>11269619

You mean total and utter retard? I thought she was just pretending for a while, but at this point there should have been an option to put her out of your misery

>> No.11269645

>>11269635
If that's where you're at right now she gets a whole lot stupider

>> No.11269677

I used to like Makina. For the first 30 minutes of the game. If only she had stayed that way...

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>>11269677

Seriously. She was on her way to being my favorite character when she was just being shy and clumsy.

>> No.11269736

>>11269677
>>11269708
It's too bad she's such a huge part of the common route. If you don't like her and/or Michiru you're kind of fucked since they make up over half of it.

>> No.11269763

>>11269736
Yeah, it's pretty much Makina bullying Michiru every other scene. Fucking loli slut.

>> No.11269762

>>11269736

>If you don't like her and/or Michiru you're kind of fucked since they make up over half of it.

Well Sachi and Amane make up the other half so ...

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>>11269762
And almost no Sakaki ;_;

>> No.11269771

>>11269762
I prefer Yumiko. Yeah, second half of the common route was quite painful.

>> No.11269800

>>11267903
Nigga, I usually don't say this, but you have awful taste. None of those titles, excluding Loverable, can be considered fun. You're such a special snowflake for enjoying bottom of the barrel moege, I applaud you.
At least play some good moege, fuck.

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I thought of you when Is aw this /jp/

>> No.11270090

>>11267903
>I have yet to see any humor other than briefly with the fake tsundere and so far as I can tell it's going to be a very dreary story.
It’s literred with comedy

>> No.11270109

>>11269771
>I prefer Yumiko
Horrible taste like always

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>>11269708
what is her disability?

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You know what would have made sense? If they had just done this from day 1. Or better yet, just written it down and passed it to the media. What shitty route. The only saving grace is that it was more story based and less makina. I think I much prefer the moege routes with the generic cliche progression.

>> No.11270272

I may be only 2 hours in, but I already lost any interest. All characters hardly entertain me being a cliche-fest with ironic self-awareness, and this whole thing playing around their predictable behavior seems to be dragged on forever. Is that just me or writer had a lethal case of graphomania? Will it ever get better or its one of those things which makes no impact if you are not fond of characters?

>> No.11270296

>>11270272
Stop reading it
Don't read VNs at all
Don't read anything at all

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do they have a conference on every route?

>> No.11270331 [DELETED] 

What's in the bag? What's in the bag?

>> No.11270334

>>11270317
Is this game for racists only? Pls no racism

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What's in the bag? What's in the bag?

>> No.11270341

>>11270235
Quite possibly JB was trying to from day one, but Yuuji took Makina and ran. At one point Otsuka orders to take her alive as a "valuable card" rather than kill her like requested, Ichigaya had different goals than the Irisu... But there was obviously a lot of political pressure, so they couldn't just grab her openly from the start.

>> No.11270345

>>11270296
I'll take it as 'no' then.

>> No.11270355

Haven't played/read a VN for a while, is it worth picking up this one?

>> No.11270367

>>11270341
Please stop spoiling.

>> No.11270369

>>11270341

The utter stupidity of Yuuji and especially Makina in this route makes Michiru look like a genius

>> No.11270374

>>11270345
You're retarded.

>> No.11270380

>>11270338
I dont understand it.
Why is makina pregnant?

>> No.11270376

>>11270374
Thanks for your kind input, I'll take it into consideration.

>> No.11270377

>>11270334
..........
How many Klans are there outside the US?

>> No.11270381

>>11270317
no, there is another one in the second game though.

>> No.11270388

>>11270380
Makina route, and the picture is fairly spoilerish

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>>11270380

You see, when a man and a woman love each other very much SURPRISE!

>> No.11270394

>>11270388
>>11270391
But how, haven't Yuuji died?

>> No.11270398

>>11270394

Well, that pic is 6 months after the events?

>> No.11270413

Was checking out Makina's after story in sequel and almost from the start Michiru is stealing the show.

>Yuuji returns to School
>Greeting the girls
>Sees Michiru alone in classroom
>Michiru thinks it's a dream
>Michiru decides to do the "usual" with Yuuji

Never change MItcher

>> No.11270514

>>11270090
Take character A who acts like character A which is always mostly inappropriate, because all characters are mentally challenged in a one way or another.
Character B reacts upon it like character B would.
Character C may comment upon it.
Hurr da fucking durr, I cant stop laughing.

>> No.11270531

>>11270514
You just described pretty much every sitcom. I fail to see the problem.

>> No.11270562

>>11270531
Sitcoms usually involve more complex situations and supporting cast, but worst part is you can hardly associate with humor if its outside your circle of interests (ie japanese school life).
Although I wouldn't define sitcoms as a good source of humor anyway, so maybe its just not for me.

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Why is everyone so mean to her? ;_;

I mean it's mostly Makina, but still

>> No.11270792

>>11270562
A lot of sitcoms are bad, but it's a huge genre of comedy, so there are also good ones. If you like any 4-koma manga/anime or, as you implied, even less funny moege, then it seems a bit weird for you to attack the genre itself.
>but worst part is you can hardly associate with humor if its outside your circle of interests (ie japanese school life)
That isn't a requirement at all. Not to mention that the situation in Grisaia, or even more normal moege, is pretty far removed from japanese school life to begin with.

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So I'm at Amane's yukata sex scene. How long is the route after that?

>> No.11270826

>>11270821
Like 30%. The meat of it starts very soon.

>> No.11270836

>>11270821

70% of it is flashback so ... you have a long way to go

Amane leaves Kazuki to die

>> No.11270850

>>11270836
>>11270826
Quite a clash of opinions there, guys.

>> No.11270855

>>11270850
I think the first guy meant you're about 30% in to it.

either way you do have a long way to go, not past the half way point yet.

>> No.11270992

>>11270821

There's a looong way to go, easily several hours.

on the bright side, she doesn't emo/angst the fuck out, so it should actually be enjoyable. That won major points in my book.

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What the <Fuck> am I reading?
Anyways, its doing a 180 and becoming fun to read now
mostly because of how this military stuff contrasts with Makina's smallness

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>>11270855
>>11270992
That makes sense. Well, I noticed that the game actually started being enjoyable only after finishing shortest possible common route so after the 4th choice you can make. It was kind of weird how everyone became so open about sex in Amane's route but now that I'm done with romcom it should go even smoother.

>> No.11271029

>>11271000

>mostly because of how this military stuff contrasts with Makina's smallness

Then you'll love how she ends up taking Yuuji's job at the end and shoots down people while she's preggo >>11270338

>> No.11271060

>>11271000
That grave visit later is kinda emotional too.

>> No.11271068 [DELETED] 

>>11271029
Ah good we've already gotten dedicated grisaia shitposters, thank you for making /jp/ a wonderful place

>> No.11271093 [DELETED] 

>>11271068
he just wants to talk about grisaia with the rest of us

pls no bully

>> No.11271102

>>11270792
My problem is that I'd rather see any real plot advancement or character development rather than beating same character traits to death. Plus I find sex maniac unsettling, boxcutter uncanny, maido robotic, tsundere annoying and loli is just not exactly my type.

Yeah, they do develop characters on occasions but its so dragged on, I can't help but feel bored for the most of time.

>> No.11271196

So which route should you complete first in this VN, and which route did you complete first?

>> No.11271220

>>11271196
Did Amane first personally. If you're going to do all the routes first I'd say start with Yumiko to get the weakest one out of the way

>> No.11271221

The common route in this VN was horrifically long and excruciatingly boring.

I eventually got through it and was pleasantly surprised by the actual routes. Wouldn't mind reading the sequel.

I deeply regret not having an epilogue michiru h-scene with personality swapping.

>> No.11271224

>>11271196

You pick the girl you like most and work your way from there. Amane obviously came first.

>> No.11271287

>>11271224
>anyone liking that pig slut.
I went with Sacchan first.
Though I'm currently on my second playthrough with Chiruchiru.

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>>11271287

>pig slut
>Sacchan
>Chiruchiru

Wow. It's like a 5 year old is really posting! Look how hip and edgy this guy is! Don't cut yourself kiddo, your borderline retardation might get worse.

http://strawpoll.me/305355/r

>> No.11271324

>>11271315
I guess we all agree that yumiko is the weakest route

>> No.11271345

>>11271315
Nice, how many times did you have to redo the poll to get that result?

>> No.11271347

I just encountered the three thugs who wanted to jump me. When do I get to make some decision making?

>> No.11271353

>>11271347

You're a good ways off still. The DP's are a bit late in the game, for some reason.

>> No.11271354

>>11271347
only choice is if you want to come inside or outside
that was a joke

>> No.11271363

>>11271315
which one's the blonde? The writing was too bad for me to continue but if I did i would go for the meta tsundere

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>>11271345

Is that going to help you get to sleep tonight? I don't believe these can be deleted, so I'd love for you to find me all the others presumably "redone". Here, I'll help you

http://fuuka.warosu.org/jp/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=strawpoll

It may be a bit difficult for someone of your brain capacity to comprehend, but some of us aren't so childish as to go around trying to rig popularity polls of fictional characters. Nor are we so childish as to start hurling petty insults at fictional characters and certainly don't call them nicknames like some sort of massive delusional faggot. Please go back to the shithole you crawled out of.

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I knew Michiru also voiced Akane from KGNE/Muv-Luv, but it was impossible to tell from Michiru's voice alone... until Tunafish Man came on TV and Renge started talking.

Renge sounds almost exactly, if not the same as Akane from KGNE/Muv-Luv. Anyone else hear Renge-chan's voice and think the same?

>> No.11271514

Why are Makina's tits so big? Loli characters should be AAA cup

>> No.11271547

>>11271453
Personnally, I recognized her from the start. Akane had several tsundere lines in the games you mentioned, and I don't think she sounds too different in Grisia.
Even easier to recognize were Makina (Rin from LB), Chizuru (most people here would know her for Komari but she sounds EXACTLY like Akane in DCII), and Amane (Sumika). However I didn't recognize Yumiko (Kurugaya) at first, even though it becomes obvious after a while.
Ai Shimizu (Sachi's VA) is, huh... Not hating on her, but despite her being quite famous and having done a shit ton of roles, I find her to be one of the most unremarkable seiyuus ever.

>> No.11271560

>>11271221
I agree, the common route is terrible. I can barely get through it. I can only read like 30 minutes at a time because my head hurts due to it's stupidity. I think this is definitely more boring than many other common routes in games...it doesn't even really get into the "story" of the game much.

>> No.11271578

>>11271560
Definitely doesn't help that it's unbelievably long

>> No.11271622

>>11271578
How long is it? I'm at 6/21 in the game...do I have to suffer with this much longer? I just want to get to the routes. I've played many other games, but only Deardrops has bored me this much.

>> No.11271633

>>11271622
Your first chance to get on a route is 7/11

I'm so sorry. For what it's worth I was feeling incredibly bored with the common route as well, but I feel that the character routes have redeemed the game in a way.

>> No.11271639

>>11271633
Ugh, that's still a way off. Other games have long common routes that are at least interesting...I thought Majikoi's common route was pretty entertaining even though the length was similar.

Grisaia just feels like a less polished G-Sen to me so far. Maybe I'll like it more once I get beyond this dull common route...but currently I'm not very happy with it.

>> No.11271659

The problem with the common route dragging on so long is that the antics of the characters just start to get played out super fast and they're basically repeating the same gags after a while.

Michiru is retarded.
Makina is autistic.
Sachi is functionally retarded.
Yumiko is a bitch.
Amane is the only "normal" one.

Is basically the sum of every scene during the common route.

>> No.11271664

>>11271659
I think you mean amane is a slut

>> No.11271666

>>11271664

Yeah, but she kind of drops that earlier on and becomes the first one to really deviate from her initial impression.

>> No.11271682

>>11271639
>a less polished G-Sen
Jesus. Just stop reading Grisaia now, please.

>> No.11271687

>>11271682
I'm sorry, this is my opinion after reading ~2-3 hours of the game. Nothing has occurred other than boring character interactions and the MC getting into a fight with some thugs. There hasn't been anything important or interesting so far, I'm going to stick with it because I'm too autistic to stop a game before I finish at least one route and then can judge it as being shit or not.

>> No.11271705

Seeing all these "common route is bad" messages makes me wonder: Is there some crucial information given out in common route besides basics? Can I skip it?

>> No.11271713

>>11271705
There are some important things in there but much of it is just played out gags over and over again.

>> No.11271718

>>11271705
The common route is the best part. The character interactions are more entertaining than in most games. Once you get past the common route it's just boring predictable drama with a shitty mary sue version of ririko.

>> No.11271719

>>11271705

There's actually a lot of hints towards the real issues with the girls and brief glances at more depth to them then they let on at first.

The common route might get dull, but it at least makes you want to keep playing just because you'll be thinking "Okay, what's this bitch's problem" after a while. So I don't suggest you skip it. It's not as bad as some people are making it out to be, and there are some genuinely amusing moments scattered here and there.

>> No.11271724

>>11271719

Forgot to say, the most amusing parts of the common route are probably Yuuji's observations.

I thought his general apathy towards things would make him boring at first, but it's actually pretty funny.

>> No.11271806

>>11271639
>Majikoi's common route
Speaking of which, when's the rest of Majikoi's translation finishing?

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>>11271806
>Majikoi's translation finishing

>> No.11271823

Does the Principal have a route or at least an H-scene?

Need to know before I get too far in with my hopes up.

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>>11271815
>mfw

>> No.11271828

>>11271823
non canon extra scenes

>> No.11271830

>>11271823
You can get an untranslated H scene in the second game, and maybe also the third game, but not the first.

>> No.11271848

>>11271828
>>11271830

Better than nothing I suppose.

>> No.11271997

>>11271705
I found the common route pretty good, actually. The only problem is that the mood "resets" between scenes. Since it's not going "day 1", "day 2", but instead skipping all over to when interesting things happen; every scene is disconnected from one another, and starting new scenes my seem like a drag after a while.

Still, it's over before you know it, and you'll kinda miss it later.

>> No.11272089

>>11272087
It's a cop in a small town and he is an ex-marine.

>> No.11272087

I am 2 minutes in, and I'm already cringing.
MC stopped by a policeman, then he block a criminal that was just passing right next to him, and the cop does fucknothing?
What the fuck.

>> No.11272096

>>11272087
>cop does fucknothing

Japanese police are more adept at giving directions then dealing with criminals.

>> No.11272104

>>11272087

Requirements to become a cop are pretty damn low in most places. You don't even have to go through basic hand to hand combat training.

>> No.11272107

Does anyone else think the first part of Sakaki's route feels like a reversal of the first part of Kurugaya's in Little Busters?

>>11272087
I once talked to a retired Japanese police officer. He told me an anecdote about the most dangerous part of his career. It went something like this:

"A criminal ran towards me with no intention of stopping, and I thought I'd have to use my gun. But luckily, he didn't know martial arts, so I was able to fell him with a judo grab."

Basically, don't equate Japanese normal policemen to battle-hardened policemen from big cities in dangerous parts of the west, and much less with Special Forces like MC.

>> No.11272110

>>11272107
Now that I think about it, he didn't even say gun. He said 武器. He might have been talking about a melee weapon too.

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>> No.11272178

>>11272173
>Michiru's natural hair color
Way better than the blonde.

>> No.11272185

>>11272173
Stop posting spoilers from untranslated games pls~

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I'm not crying.
Yeah, I'm not fucking crying.

>> No.11272328

>>11272185
it's fully translated you nimcompoop

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>>11272328

>> No.11272455

Am i the only one who cried in Sacchi route?

>> No.11272492

>>11272455
No, you weren't.

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Just to confirm: this isn’t the choice that lands me on Sachis route, correct?

>> No.11272573

>>11272561
No, it is not. It's the last 'free' choice, though, and the rest of the choices can take you onto other routes. A single choice will change your route. If you don't take any choices and ride along the rest of the common route, you'll end up on Yumiko's route.

>> No.11272644

>>11272573
i.e. the route/girl that no one cares about. Not even the writers.

>> No.11272689

>>11272573
i.e. the best girl and canon path. Even if you refuse to date anyone and stubbornly reject all of the girls' advances, in the end you can't help but fall for her irresistible charm.

>> No.11272708

>>11272689
>in the end you can't help but fall for her irresistible charm.
Actually, you have to go with her because of your job.

Though she is best girl, it's not actually the canon path. The canon path, from what I can tell with limited moonrune reading, from the beginning of the second, is some kind of bastard made up of an implied year after halfway through the common path.

>> No.11272727

I'll get away with just playing Michiru's and Amane's route. Don't really care enough for the other girls to deal with more drama. In case the second part really gets translated within a reasonable timeframe (i.e. some time within my lifetime), I'll just get the necessary spoilers for the other routes from you guys. Love you.

>> No.11272731

>>11272708
I was just kidding.
Her route sucks and Amane is the best girl.

>> No.11272741

>>11272731
>---JB not being best girl
Shiggydiggy.

>> No.11272745

>>11272731
plz dont abuse the spoiler function.

>> No.11272757

So I have a big fear of being buried alive

I just did michiru's route.
welp

>> No.11272770

>>11272757
Now, I'm scared to read Makina's route.

>> No.11272774

>>11272770
i accidentally saw a spoiler for that
honestly, i can not imagine doing anything like that
i cannot imagine the thought process to even get to that point

but, i said that about sachi and michiru's "big moments" too.

i expected a moe/SoL vn. this was a lot better though

>> No.11272887

>>11264915
lol

im sorry for your loss

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This is far more lewd than I thought it would be.

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>>11272979

>> No.11273022

So, who makes the best faces?

Sakaki? Michiru?

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>>11273019

>> No.11273035

>>11272173
Best girl.

>> No.11273816

I wonder how they will adapt it into anime.
The entire anime will be just part of Amane's route.

>> No.11273839
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B-But that's rape Yumiko-chan!

>> No.11273846

>tfw you can understand the Japanese version but not the translated one
Too many hard words. Couldn't the translators use more simple words?

>> No.11273851

>>11273846
If the words they use are hard, you need to hit 12.

>> No.11273866

>>11273839
Yumiko.chan can rape me anytime

>> No.11273876

>>11273851
>urute
>delish
>minutest
>aggravating
>meddling
>cue

Never head these words before

>> No.11273891

>>11273876
>urute
Not an English word.
>delish
Short for delicious.
>minutest
Super small.
>aggravating
Makes you angry.
>meddling
Interference by another.
>cue
Signal for timing/ball for billiards.

Do you have autism?

>> No.11273898

>>11273891
no, I'm just not an English native speaker.

>> No.11273907

>>11273898
There's this amazing thing called "Google"
You type in the word, followed by "Definition" and you get a result!
Isn't modern technology amazing!

>> No.11273911
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I can't believe how anyone can call this the "weakest" route while at the same time I keep hearing Makina's is the "strongest". They're basically the same plot line, except Makina's is basically Yuuji being gary stu except for magically fucking up at the end when the plot calls for it and the entire progression of that route is solely from Makina's crippling retardation. While Yumiko's feels much less pretentious and much more cute.

>> No.11273915

>>11273911
>2013
>Not having interest in dicks

>> No.11273916

>>11273907
I don't think it helps searching a word every 2 minutes in a dictionary.

>> No.11273920

>>11273916
If you're searching for a word every two minutes, you probably shouldn't be playing this game at all.

>> No.11273926

>>11273920
I think easier words could be used. Even the untranslated version doesn't use obscure words.

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>>11273911
I like Sakaki best, personally.

>> No.11273931

>>11273927
Me too.

>> No.11273935
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>>11273907
An even more simple "fix" would be for someone to install the Dictionary.com addon for Chrome/Firefox/etc. I use it all the time for any words that I come across that I might have forgotten. It really is awesome and saves me a few steps. (You can also highlight words and simply click on the button for it to auto-load the page with the definition.)

Seriously anon, get your act together.

>> No.11273942

>>11273926
Then why don't you read the fucking untranslated version?

>> No.11273952

>>11273942
because I want to laugh at EOPs like you haha

>> No.11273958

>>11273926
None of the words you mentioned are "obscure".

>> No.11273968

>>11273911
Yumiko gets a lot of undeserved hate, her character isn't flat at all compared to Maid-chan or "I do everything because I don't deserve to live"-chan

>> No.11273982

>>11273968
>"I do everything because I don't deserve to live"-chan
Is that Amane or Sachi?

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>>11273935
WordWeb also works pretty well. You can highlight a word and find the definition with hotkeys. You can also view what it means on other websites.

>> No.11274086

Well, all in all I liked Grisaia. Routes were all pretty decent, except Makina's which seemed to go full retard about 2/3s if the way through, which is a shame, because I thought she had the potential to be best girl.

>> No.11274115

>>11274086
I feel the after story makes up for it, not that we'll be seeing that in english anytime soon.

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Im too afraid to look this up on google
what is it?

>> No.11274219

>>11274210
Surprising amounts of pedos have the same, creepy mustache, which was dubbed the pedostauche.

>> No.11274280

>>11274219
yeah, but what does it look like?

>> No.11274334
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>>11274280
like this

>> No.11274381

>>11274334
somehow having (You) next to this guy makes me uneasy

>> No.11274412
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ah Sacchin saying rape is the miracle of the universe

>> No.11274488

>>11273876
>>11273898
>urute
>delish

These are the only ones I can give you anon. I'm not a native English speaker either

But you have a point, I find Makina's lines easier to understand in Japanese because of all the stylization.

>> No.11274493

>>11273968
I hope you aren't talking about Michiru, faggot.

>> No.11274809

>>11274412
I was really looking forward to some punishing the maid ero, was really disappointed.

>> No.11274901

After finishing Amane's route, I got worried : does she kill herself in other routes?

>> No.11275018

>>11274412

>Sacchin

Makina pls

>> No.11275023

>>11274901

Worse. She gets a job at her parents' restaurant with Makina. Could you believe putting up with that for the rest of your life?

>> No.11275028

>>11273982

>Amane

Amane was more along the lines of "I wanna fuck Yuuji because I let his sister die"

>> No.11276157

>>11274493
I'm not, didn't play her route yet.

>> No.11277928
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Holy shit, just finished the flashback in Amane's route. That was just great, common route was pretty bad except for few better jokes compared to this.

>> No.11279714

>>11277928
I finished that last night. The ending gets kinda shitty though.

>> No.11280299

>>11273982
>>11273968
>>11274493
>>11276157
Really? You say "I do everything" and "I don't deserve to live" and it can be interpreted as 3 out of 5 heroines?

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What was even the point of stalling for editing when the editors suck? Not only did they leave all those "That a fact?" alone, but I've found about 3 grammar errors so far, only between Common route, Michiru and half of Yumiko.

I saw this coming when I knew someone from fucking commie was an editor. A translator like koestl should have good editors on his team.

>> No.11281134

Fuck Jap! Suck Jap! Bitch Jap!

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