How come no popular Western artists have used Vocaloid yet? Particularly the big electronic ones, they're always using new technology and production techniques. Will it be long before Hatsune Miku's backing vocals end up on a Lady Gaga or Kanye West album?

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Anonymous Sat Jul 27 10:22:49 2013 No.11233843 [Reply] [Original]

How come no popular Western artists have used Vocaloid yet? Particularly the big electronic ones, they're always using new technology and production techniques.

Will it be long before Hatsune Miku's backing vocals end up on a Lady Gaga or Kanye West album?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 10:25:33 2013 No.11233848 File: 35 KB, 320x320, 1326214026857.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Vocaloid sounds really bad if you have a working sense of hearing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 10:27:03 2013 No.11233850 Shut the fuck up OP

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 10:27:53 2013 No.11233850,1 Do you WANT popular western artists to use Vocaloid?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 10:28:04 2013 No.11233851 http://www.davidszondy.com/future/robot/voder.htm

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 10:29:33 2013 No.11233852 >>11233843 Because they just put their own voices through a vocoder to get the same effect.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 10:35:19 2013 No.11233860 >>11233852 Vocoders don't really sound like that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 10:49:47 2013 No.11233860,1 /jp/ is so ignorant about VOCALOID

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 11:27:34 2013 No.11233944 Maybe it's because Vocaloid sounds like shit? Especially Miku.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 11:30:19 2013 No.11233953 >>11233944 Hatsune Miku sounds fine. It doesn't sound "real", but for electronic pop music, its vocals are good enough to create a particular style of singing. Why do you disagree?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 11:34:34 2013 No.11233964 I always wondered why people like it. It sounds like completely shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 11:41:49 2013 No.11233978 >>11233953 as much as ye loves japanese culture im not too sure the vocaloid sound is the one he's looking for

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 11:43:50 2013 No.11233983 This is a good thing, unless you want vocaloid to become popular with normies. While Japanese and a video game, No More Heroes 2 has Miku in it. That's more than enough exposure already.

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 11:59:20 2013 No.11234005

>>11233953
It's not about sounding real. I find that her voice sounds grating. I don't mind high-pitched cute voices, but Miku's just rubs me the wrong way. It's fine for people who aren't able to sing, but want to produce their own songs. However, when I see professional shit like Project Diva using those actual songs, it's beyond awful.

It's too bad since I like her character design.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 12:10:49 2013 No.11234042 >>11234005 naw the voice is fine.

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 12:24:19 2013 No.11234090

>>11234005
That's reasonable enough.

I like the voice. I mentioned that it's not real because fake-sounding voices tend to bother me (Auto-Tune for example really gets on my nerves), but Vocaloid tends to produce vocals that are a fine balance between obviously software-generated and enjoyable enough to listen to. Maybe other people have a different threshold when it comes to fake vocals, or perhaps they just don't like the sound of Hatsune Miku's vocals (as in your case).

At any rate, I think we've reached the point where it sounds good, but the software could still use some work. It would be nice to have synthesized vocals that can fit any genre, even stuff like opera. It would also be nice to see improvements to non-Japanese Vocaloids. That English demo of "Scarborough Fair" was interesting, but I don't think the technology is quite there for a general audience.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 12:32:19 2013 No.11234120 Vocaloid sounds like shit and they can't sing in English since it's harder to pronounce than Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 12:38:20 2013 No.11234149 >>11234090 What demo are you talking about? Mind providing source? Thanks in advance.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 12:39:04 2013 No.11234154 >>11233953 Luka is the only one thats listenable as is. Miku sounds like someone is doing some kind of remix and chopping up vocals.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 13:22:21 2013 No.11234247 What about male vocaloids? Kaito sounds great when you can use it properly.

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 13:29:51 2013 No.11234262

>>11234149
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09bh_9cFT2M

They released a short demo, then this full version.

It obviously doesn't work as well with English because we have all these stupid nuances with every phoneme. Still, it's an impressive demo of what we're moving towards.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 13:30:36 2013 No.11234263 I like Miku's voice. It sounds exactly as I imagine a computer would sound like if it could sing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrC1H7FM5Ww

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 13:31:52 2013 No.11234267 File: 8 KB, 225x225, 1324755944001[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >you will never find a gf that likes vocaloid as much as you do why is vocaloid so hated anyways

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 13:33:06 2013 No.11234270 because english A SHIT. lets be honest japanese is a baby-language that is easy to speak. even chinese is too hard for vocaloid to sing correctly. a language like english there is no chance

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 13:34:52 2013 No.11234279 File: 50 KB, 960x544, 1363458407748.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11234267 Because Miku is a SLUT and Sega sold out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 13:37:06 2013 No.11234293 >>11234267 I thought grills were the only ones who liked Vocaloid. Fitting since women have abysmal taste.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 13:40:22 2013 No.11234299 >>11234279 Your mom a slut. Would Lukas voice range work well with a drum & bass song?

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 13:43:21 2013 No.11234309

http://www.vocaloidp3.com/2013/07/realistic-virtual-singing.html

vocaloid can sing japanese realistically. however that is not the point of vocaloid, the point is to sound non-human.

nice to see insecure autists still trying to make themselves feel superior though

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 13:46:21 2013 No.11234320 >>11234299 Please stop posting like this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 13:47:37 2013 No.11234324 >>11234267 Since when is vocaloid hated by girls?

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 13:48:07 2013 No.11234328

>>11234262
Sounds okay, except I could only understand very few words.

I hope that Vocaloids never catch on in the West because pop music over here is absolute shit. To hear a subhuman such as Kanye defiling my pure Miku would be like the sign of an apocalypse.

Although if Miku replaced all the shit singers like Lady Gaga and made them no longer any money, I might be okay with it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 13:51:36 2013 No.11234345 >>11234328 >Miku >pure Okay, I laughed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 13:56:52 2013 No.11234363 File: 29 KB, 280x280, pet-shop-boys-electric.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11234328 >because pop music over here is absolute shit. Please don't unironically believe this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 13:59:24 2013 No.11234373 >>11234309 http://archive.org/details/Computer1984 15:56 Robots can't sing realistically. Deal w/ it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 13:59:53 2013 No.11234376 File: 624 KB, 1280x720, 1324133557202.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11234345 miku is the definition of pure. she is a computer program designed to make beautiful music. how could she be anything but pure?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:00:39 2013 No.11234379 >>11234328 >I hope that Vocaloids never catch on in the West because pop music over here is absolute shit. It's funny because jap pop music all sound the same.

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:02:08 2013 No.11234386
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>>11234376
Because people use her for lewd things.

It's like in Macross Plus when that nerd hacks the robot pop singer.

In fact that whole thing is a good piece of speculative fiction for how virtual idols might play out, even if they need humans backing them.

"I'd like my idols human, not programmed in computers."
- bis (the good one not the Japanese one)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:03:39 2013 No.11234388 >>11234379 >jap pop music all sound the same Not really. There is a huge difference between noise pop and denpa for example.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:03:39 2013 No.11234389 >>11234376 She's still an idol, there's no way she can be pure. She's been whored out to hell and back, that's not "pure" by any means.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:03:53 2013 No.11234391 >>11234373 >1984 get with the times grandpa. and that video doesn't even attempt to disprove anything, since any voice synthesis program can produce vibrato

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:05:23 2013 No.11234397 >>11234267 Who are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:05:53 2013 No.11234401 >>11234389 but that's not true. that's a minority of people's interpretation. miku is defintely pure and would never do any impure thing

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:07:22 2013 No.11234409 >>11234388 Those aren't really pop.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:07:52 2013 No.11234414 >>11234401 >>11234279 She sure does officially wear impure, slutty underwear and garter straps.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:08:08 2013 No.11234426 File: 139 KB, 450x600, content_201303041420.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11234414 sega does not own miku :) sorry to burst your bubble there chap.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:08:53 2013 No.11234423 >>11234376 >>11234401 Shut the fuck up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:09:53 2013 No.11234433 >>11234414 Impure humans dress her. Miku will wear only classy things when she becomes self aware.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:09:53 2013 No.11234434 >>11234409 Any examples of japanese pop then?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:11:08 2013 No.11234442 >>11234434 Idol groups, anime songs. Which all sound the same.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:12:22 2013 No.11234449 >>11234426 Maybe not the software, but SEGA has licenses for the actual character. >:) Your Gaia is showing.

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:12:39 2013 No.11234453
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>>11234386
Actually everyone should watch this even if you're a false otaku who hasn't seen Macross Plus yet (for some reason):
http://youtu.be/z7auKvJ_k5k

This video is a dub but true Japanimation fans don't care about details like that, the songs are the same.

Makes you wonder what future concerts will be like.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:14:39 2013 No.11234463 >>11234442 Well Hinoi Team songs sound really different from ZONE or Yakushimaru Etsuko songs and that's just three random examples from my library.

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:15:23 2013 No.11234468

>>11234426
Sega owns Miku, they were just generous enough to license her image and usage under a Creative Commons licence in the West.

We should all be grateful to Sega for taking a progressive step towards the collaboration between big corporation branding and independent producers. They're right up there with Lucasfilm as one of the best companies in terms of allowing derivative works.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:17:24 2013 No.11234481 File: 234 KB, 700x441, content_201303041424.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11234449 they don't own the character. >>11234468 they don't own miku.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:18:53 2013 No.11234486 >>11234481 >they don't own miku. Crypton, then: https://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/35879 This is even more generous than ZUN's (quite restrictive) Touhou licence. I wish more content creators/owners were this nice to their fans.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:32:22 2013 No.11234535 File: 418 KB, 1024x768, 1371806415188.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11234449 >Gaia complaining about Gaia? >>>/a/

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:34:52 2013 No.11234544 I can't stand people that complain about western pop music then go and listen to j or k pop.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:36:07 2013 No.11234553 >>11234535 Stop it you're bad at this

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:38:24 2013 No.11234560 >>11234535 Stop. You'll only embarrass yourself further.

Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:40:07 2013 No.11234570
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Personally I believe it's because Japanese is a far easier language to produce programmaticly. The spoken language is made up of around 40-50 syllables. Once you've got a method to produce these at various pitches, you can have your computer produce almost any spoken text you want.

English syllables are composed of a number of letters, allowing thousands and thousands of different sounds. Trying to get a computer to make all these correctly at different pitches is a pain to do well.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 14:40:39 2013 No.11234568 >>11234553 >>11234560 Stop. You're not improving your situation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 17:10:52 2013 No.11235047 >>11234328 le weeb face :---DDDDD

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 17:13:52 2013 No.11235057 >>11234363 >PSB >good

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 27 18:13:05 2013 No.11235295 File: 397 KB, 870x918, Avanna_Official_Cover_Artwork.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11234570 You're new to the English vocaloids?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 28 03:38:16 2013 No.11237028 they dont need it since they just autotune everything anyways

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 28 10:14:35 2013 No.11238137 I for one actual really like the sound of Vocaloids. But I guess it's all personal.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 28 22:55:35 2013 No.11240597 >>11233843 >Lady Gaga or Kanye West fuck these repulsive egoists and their pretentious non-music. if they ever dare touch miku i'll fucking murder them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 29 07:16:15 2013 No.11242320 >>11233843 Nope, Vocaloids MUST stay in japan. Please. We ruin EVERYTHING great with our terrible voice acting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 29 07:17:45 2013 No.11242324 Vocaloid sounds terrible, I've heard so, SO many good songs ruined by the shitty vocaloid voice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 29 07:26:14 2013 No.11242333 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_eyUVVcgc8 Only good vocaloid song.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 29 18:47:46 2013 No.11244293 >>11240597 I'd like to see Daft Punk work with Vocaloids

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 29 19:06:31 2013 No.11244350 Vocaloid isn't technology

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 29 19:11:31 2013 No.11244368 File: 16 KB, 251x201, images.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11242320 You don't need to be a great actor to come up with the soundbanks for a Vocaloid. Even a kid did one in Japan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 29 19:15:01 2013 No.11244382 >>11242320 Aren't there vocaloids made outside japan?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 29 19:24:18 2013 No.11244411 I just started liking Miku. I don't know why. I'm probably going to buy Project Diva F.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 29 19:28:31 2013 No.11244433 >>11244382 For the record, we did sampled speech speed synthesis about 70 years before Vocaloid ( see >>11233851 ) Vocaloid is just a Japanse brand name for a very, very dated American technology.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 29 19:29:47 2013 No.11244438 I head Skrillex and Deadmouse wanted to use her english V3 when it gets released. It made me throw up to find out. Once it comes out she's going to be all over the place.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 29 19:32:46 2013 No.11244451 God this thread is horrible. Newsflash: You weebs don't know the first thing about music and your NIPPON SUPERIOR attitude is sickening.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 29 19:35:02 2013 No.11244464 >>11234005 a matter of preference

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 29 19:36:47 2013 No.11244466 >>11244451 Is weeb even an effective taunt on a board like /jp/?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 29 19:39:01 2013 No.11244475 >>11244451 Hi ipaet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 29 19:55:09 2013 No.11244510 >>11234279 awful

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 29 20:00:31 2013 No.11244519 Vocaloid sounds like shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 29 20:05:31 2013 No.11244533 >>11244519 Your face is shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 29 20:07:16 2013 No.11244541 >>11244533 LMAO!!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 29 20:07:54 2013 No.11244546 >>11244350 then what? don't say it's your waifu.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 29 20:09:49 2013 No.11244555 Because if they used Vocaloid they wouldn't be popular anymore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 29 20:17:34 2013 No.11244593 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csxR8BvLqF8 I like the other song by this artist too. but I'm not huge on vocaloid as a whole.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 29 20:37:12 2013 No.11244658 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzq8y4y0rrM

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 31 02:19:00 2013 No.11249151 >>11244593 EZFG is really good. Magaician's Operation is one of my favorite Luka songs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 31 02:22:32 2013 No.11249159 >>11233843 Does cillia count?

Anonymous Wed Jul 31 12:06:16 2013 No.11250480

mike oldfield uses vocaloid you scrubs
and also with the whole trend of virtual concerts and the domino's miku commercial i think that vocaloid is moderately well-known in america anyway
if yer worried about your kawaii robot girls getting popular with gaijin pigs it's already too late

Anonymous Wed Jul 31 12:35:30 2013 No.11250551

>>11250480
>mike oldfield uses vocaloid

As a huge fan of the man, I try to pretend Light + Shade never happened. Not because of vocaloid, of course, it's just poor quality music. It's a pity it'll always be remembered as a milestone harbinger album once vocaloids take over the music industry.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 31 12:50:46 2013 No.11250584 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H991p3OGNA

Anonymous Wed Jul 31 13:22:16 2013 No.11250635
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Did we really go this whole thread without someone posting the official English language Miku demo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJKCH9SSDUs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It's her covering a song that's getting a lot of western radio play, Universal Music is officially involved.

I bet there's gonna be a big marketing push. This will be so strange.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 31 13:55:47 2013 No.11250710 Put out an inquiry and obtaining the miku edition of the Xperia A would amount to purchasing a gaming PC...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 31 16:00:33 2013 No.11250950 Vocaloid sounds best when it's used in ways that would sound bad if humans tried to sing it, which is why I like AVTechno so much. http://youtu.be/ilt93pBMESI?t=2m48s

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 31 16:11:39 2013 No.11250995 >>11250635 They should've really made it more intelligible. I mean, seriously.

Anonymous Wed Jul 31 16:40:24 2013 No.11251092
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>>11234005
>professional shit like Project Diva
You've never played it then. With all the songs and characters replaced it'd still be a very enjoyable and polished game.

>>11244293
The day this happens will be the best day in the world

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 31 17:06:09 2013 No.11251190 >>11250635 It doesn't sound too clear and still kinda like "engrish"

Anonymous Wed Jul 31 17:13:24 2013 No.11251223

>>11250635
This is awful. I don't even care for Vocaloid, but the last thing I want is exposure, especially amongst American "rave" culture which is now just normie culture.

They will ruin it, guaranteed. Just like how they've ruined everything else. Judging by the way it sounds, though, it'll be safe. Miku sounds even worse in English than she does Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 31 17:51:08 2013 No.11251329 >>11251092 I have played it. The mechanics as a rhythm game are pretty bad. It's great and all if you like Vocaloid and if you want to unlock all the cute costumes and shit, but as a standalone game it's not worth playing.

Anonymous Wed Jul 31 22:24:26 2013 No.11252097
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>>11250950

i love this song. one of the first i came across that really blew me away

>>11250635

the english sounds terrible :( hopefully people will figure out how to make it work. if not, no big loss

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 31 22:32:26 2013 No.11252123 Because miku sounds like shit. Only the biggest weebs cant see past it, its like that autotune nigger but worse.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 16:48:10 2013 No.11259561

Miku and Luka are my least favorite Vocaloids. Luka is least understandable and Miku is used even in bad songs because she is the most well-known. IA is best, and she's closely followed by SF-A2 miki, Gumi Megpoid, and Rin Kagamine. Kaito is the best Japanese male Vocaloid, but the best male synthesized voice is probably Big Al.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 18:26:10 2013 No.11259815 File: 20 KB, 502x345, s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Becon maki hottodogu?! :DDD fug!

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 18:28:40 2013 No.11259816 >>11259561 >Kaito is the best Japanese male Vocaloid not Gakupo?

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 18:38:55 2013 No.11259834 >>11233843 Because its fucking garbage that only pathetic weeaboos like.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 18:46:25 2013 No.11259859 It is a child's toy.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 18:49:56 2013 No.11259865

>>11244433
Thank you for indirectly replying to my Voder post. I think it's very interesting, especially now that Vocaloid is popular. I've tried posting it with various degrees of trolling before, but nobody else ever seems to care.

Are weeaboos just never Americanaboos?

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