http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20080805ad.html

[Anonymous No.]

Gaijin. It seems we hear the word every day. For some, it's merely harmless shorthand for "gaikokujin" (foreigner). Even Wikipedia (that online wall for intellectual graffiti artists) had a section on "political correctness" that claimed illiterate and oversensitive Westerners had misunderstood the Japanese word.

I take a different view: Gaijin is not merely a word; it is an epithet — about the billions of people who are not Japanese. It makes assumptions about them that go beyond nationality.

[Anonymous No.]

I fucking love that Debito guy

[Anonymous No.]

Arudou Debito is a racist, communist, fascist, white bastard that raped his mother and sister, mutilated and ate six baby children, and is in complete support of genocide of the entire human race.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121250
A True Anonymous.

[Anonymous No.]

butthurt weeaboo because he couldn't go in a bathhouse

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121250
Sounds like a normal guy from japan, if not for the "white" part

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know why people hate this guy. All he wants is to be Japanese and treated like one. It's not like he's a mexican that didn't even bother learning the language or a muslim that walks around looking like a black ghost. He even changed his name, for Christ's sake. He deserves respect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121265
>I don't know why people hate this guy
because they're fucking weeaboo idiots
and because your average Jap hates him for the gaijin scumbag he is, trying to change perfect Japanese society into some hideous "tolerant" and "not racist" grotesque.

[Anonymous No.]

I love this guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121265
Japanese don't sue because they can't enter a bathhouse. That's what Americans do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121265

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121265
I'm pretty sure Japanese naturalization laws require you to take a Japanese name anyway...

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121265
Come to think of it, changing your name is the most pathetic move you could do.
There you are, stripping yourself of one of the most important things, your fucking name, would you change your name if you went in germany, in russia, or in america ?
Would you become hans, ivan or john, just so you can make people think you're from here ?

Absolutely stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

This man is one of the few people on /jp/ to deserve respect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121288
Seriously?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121292
fucking agreed

except I doubt he'd ever visit /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

Everyone who hates this guy is just jealous of his power level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121278
He couldn't enter that bathhouse on the grounds that he wasn't Japanese. He is.
The man is just fighting against irrationality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121306

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121301
yes

>>1121289
it's a legal requirement
he still goes by both names, but now he can write his name in a few kanji characters, rather than many many katakana

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121289

No, changing one's name is a profound statement to the natives that you want to play ball. I have much greater respect for an immigrant who picks a new name in the language of his new home instead of going around as Mahmoud Özmer Azhazbhzahzhzzbah or whatever bullshit counts as a name in his original, inferior country.

This Arudou fellow seems to be a half-way decent immigrant. Now, if he only shook his American idea of "if you're unhappy, sue people" and accepted his fate like a true nihonjin, then maybe his children could be treated as full Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121306
nah

anyone who hates this guy has no idea who he is, and just knows his name from other threads and boards where weeaboos bawww about him and defend the ignorant racist japanese culture

anyone who actually read any of his site would immediately, if not adore him, at least respect what he's doing

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121289
chinese people do it all the time

you know that chink called jennifer? and katie? yea they're actually called fyung choo and pyum lup frappadoo

[Anonymous No.]

I hate tolerance of foreigners. You tolerate them some, and the next thing you know there are 60 million ragheads in Paris trying to change it into new Mecca.

It is the fucking DUTY of immigrants to become perfect copies of the natives in every way and if they don't like it, they can just stay in their shithole homeland. Intolerance should be encouraged, because it shows them what's expected of them.

[Anonymous No.]

I think debito is a really cool guy. eh sues onsens and doesn't afraid of anything

[Anonymous No.]

I've never heard of this man.

[Anonymous No.]

As a man called "William," I'd want to take on a Japanese name if I ever moved there, if only because being called "uiriamu" all the time would be fucking annoying.

Who here has a name that could be easily pronounced by a Jap?

[Anonymous No.]

Bath Houses are stupid and gay these days. Certain traditions need to gtfo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121289
Your name doesn't define who you are, you do that yourself. That's precisely what makes this guy good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121342
that would only hold water if you lived in a small town where everyone was a farmer, and every time someone grew up wanting to open a restaurant or work at an office, they were kicked out of that town.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121342
Cool story bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121333
>>1121314
He's being a typical self-righteous American with a lawyer. Like someone else said, he should just quietly conform.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know how people can look at this guy and not know that he is a gigantic ass.

[Anonymous No.]

> pyum lup frappadoo

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121364
it's called sanity and logic

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121363
that's the whole point

he's trying to conform

it's just hard when "YOU NOT JAPANESE. GO AWAY GAIJIN PIG DOG" is your response

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121342
But that's exactly what makes Debito different. He doesn't want to be a foreigner, he wants to be Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

Mark my words, the pendulum is about to swing back and we'll have KKK style death squads for the coloreds operating out in the open.

The Japanese have the right idea. Immigrants should be forced to learn the language better than the natives do. They should be held to a higher standard in the selection process, so that everybody knows they are trustworthy and the average quality of the nation increases.

[Anonymous No.]

> disgusting gaijin

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121342
This, fucking this.

I am sick and tired of fucking Muslims complaining that England isn't conforming to their wishes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121342
I think we should eradicate those nuisances from the country but on the other hand, I don't think I should abandon anything before going somewhere.

But anyway, all those algerians and stuff don't have traditions, they're just third generation french who want to act cool.

[Anonymous No.]

If I moved to Japan I'd definitely get a japanese name. Being called Marukuso-san is not cool.

[Anonymous No.]

>(that online wall for intellectual graffiti artists)
This guy is a master troll.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121352

I do, my name is Christian. I asked a Japanese person and it would be pronounced "Kuristian" if I remember correctly.

[Anonymous No.]

hooray! another stormfront thread!

god I love you 4chan weeaboos, racism comes so naturally to people whose entire raison d'étre is Japanese culture

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121341
I don't know any chinks, so you got me there.

I have a german name while I live in france, I wouldn't change my name, that'd be stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121352
MAKUSUFIRUDU

[Anonymous No.]

I'm named Anthony.
'hantoni-san' is pretty hot.

[Anonymous No.]

http://japanesetranslator.co.uk/your-name-in-japanese/

>It is pronounced "KURISUTIAN". (Consonants are pronounced more or less the same way as in English. "A" sounds like a in father, but shorter. "I" sounds like ee in meet, but shorter. "U" sounds like oo in hook, but with less rounding of the lips.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121352
>Who here has a name that could be easily pronounced by a Jap?

Heikki.
I think it means "farting horseman" or something to them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121407
I don't think racism is a weeaboo trait.
I think racism is what you get when you take a step back from society and look what's the shit making it worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121353
I god damn, I wish I could hate you bald.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121412
where did that h come from?

[Anonymous No.]

Racism is just another word for recognizing that different cultures belong someplace fucking else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121355
Changing your name is more or less spitting on all your ancestry.

[Anonymous No.]

http://japanesetranslator.co.uk/your-name-in-japanese/

>Christian

>It is pronounced "KURISUTIAN". (Consonants are pronounced more or less the same way as in English. "A" sounds like a in father, but shorter. "I" sounds like ee in meet, but shorter. "U" sounds like oo in hook, but with less rounding of the lips.)

[Anonymous No.]

lol nationalism
lol patriotism
lol race
lol pride
lol ancestors

what the fuck are you people?

[Anonymous No.]

I'd hate being called マッシュー

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121443
What's in a name?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121352
Sam. サム。

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121443
Who cares about your ancestry? They have nothing to do with me. I'll live my own life, thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121446

Interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121458
The work of generations.
But you only care about yours if it amounts for anything, apparently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121443
>Changing your name is more or less spitting on all your ancestry.

Maybe if you're the queen of England or something stupid like that, but regular family names used to be changed _all the fucking time for the slightest reasons_ just a hundred years ago or so. My great-grandfather changed the name of my whole family on a whim once, and paperwork wasn't required in those days for it, he just told it to a priest and that was it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121453
born into race and nation
accept family and obligation
i'm not a citizen i'm not a citizen

embrace tradition and occupation
cull memory for assimilation
secure for future generations secure for future generations
i'm not a citizen i'm not a citizen

laying in this cold field
waiting for the call
feeling right here in this uniform
i think i got them all
academic or street education
obtain degree in annihilation
i'm not a citizen i'm not a citizen
laying down in chambers waiting for the call
seen your kind so many imes you got no chance at all

laid out immobile hoping for that call
it's in my mouth, under my skin sodium pentathol

[Anonymous No.]

I think of myself more as "Anonymous" than my given name. Pride in ancestors is meaningless, having good ancestors is pure luck.

[Anonymous No.]

> ancestry
I don't even know what my grandparents did for a living.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121453
Libertarians, obviously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121456
What? Mashuu?

What the fuck did that come from?

[Anonymous No.]

Open borders + democracy + strict laws against discrimination is a recipe for disaster built out of well-meaning parts.

Why? Because that means any tribe numerous enough can take over your land without a war, simply by immigrating in numbers, out-breeding you, and ultimately reducing your tribe to a minority in their own country. And you can't do a thing about it, not even speak up against it, because that would be discrimination.

When people talk about racism, it's misleading - it's really all about tribes, not races. The muslims aren't a race, but they are a tribe, and an extremely powerful one at that, able and willing to use our weaknesses to spread their influence and gain control of more of the globe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121482

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121459

>It is pronounced "SAMU". (Consonants are pronounced more or less the same way as in English. "A" sounds like a in father, but shorter. "U" sounds like oo in hook, but with less rounding of the lips.)

[Anonymous No.]

ITT: Objectivists

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121499
Matthew, where's my th bitches?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121499
Not the other guy, but Matthew, obviously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121501
s'up Skeeter

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121506

You mean realists. Objectivists are something different.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121501
Replace muslim with jews and present with past.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121412

>It is pronounced "ANTONII". (Consonants are pronounced more or less the same way as in English. "A" sounds like a in father, but shorter. "I" sounds like ee in meet, but shorter. "O" sounds like o in old. Double vowels like "II" are held for twice the duration of single vowels.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121512
Objectivists are just rationalists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121506
ITT 18-30 white males

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121522
ITT: Human beings

[Anonymous No.]

ITT piss-poor etymological debates, racial fallacies and "pride".

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121522
ITT :You have a need for other people to like and admire you, and yet you tend to be critical of yourself. While you have some personality weaknesses you are generally able to compensate for them. You have considerable unused capacity that you have not turned to your advantage. Disciplined and self-controlled on the outside, you tend to be worrisome and insecure on the inside. At times you have serious doubts as to whether you have made the right decision or done the right thing. You prefer a certain amount of change and variety and become dissatisfied when hemmed in by restrictions and limitations. You also pride yourself as an independent thinker; and do not accept others' statements without satisfactory proof. But you have found it unwise to be too frank in revealing yourself to others. At times you are extroverted, affable, and sociable, while at other times you are introverted, wary, and reserved. Some of your aspirations tend to be rather unrealistic.

[Anonymous No.]

Open borders are the problem and stricter immigration laws are the key. They should not just be concerned on who gets in, but what they do _while_ they're in too. It should be made clear to them that once they enter the new country, be it US or France or Germany or fucking Monaco or whatever, they are expected to stop being whatever the hell they used to be and start being Americans, French, Germans, etc. They should have a positive obligation to in every way try to "fit in" in their new country.

Also: free language lessons (and basic schooling for those who don't yet have it) and mandatory testing, with you being kicked out if you don't master the language perfectly within 3 years or so (5 for those really tricky languages like Japanese and Finnish).

The immigrants should be informed that their acceptance is dependent on how acceptable they make themselves. They can't turn white for us and thus we'll let that pass, but they have to turn _western_ for us, because that's just related to their behavior and they can control it.

[Anonymous No.]

/jp/ - Japan/Politics

[Anonymous No.]

If they just stayed in their own god damn country, inside their own borders, I would have no problem doing the same and condemning any politicians who try to play the "great liberator" on them. Jesus, fuck, everything would be just fine if we left them alone and they left us alone and we maybe had some fucking trade when and how both partners felt like, instead of being FORCED to deal with all these very, very, very different people. "Different" may not be necessarily "bad", but it's definitely something that belongs someplace fucking ELSE. There's a place for everything in this world, my place is here and their place is there, and only bad shit comes down when people try to leave their places.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121537
s'up Gordon Brown

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121521
What objectivists don't realize is that their system would make "criminal" the most rational career choice for a large segment of the population, no matter what laws and punishments. People aren't equal, and not all the losers are going to lie down and die peacefully. Socialism is the only truly rational solution.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121544
>Dey tuhk urr jurbs

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121514

If you mean that we should gather them to camps too, I'm SO there.

[Anonymous No.]

ペニス

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121558
Already done, doesn't work, makes them more popular, we need something like what happened with the muslims to kill their genocide argument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121555
Socialism is maybe rational but it doesn't fucking work in the real world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121453
Agreed.

This shit doesn't belong here. Who gives a fuck about your culture etc.

Let's just fap to some loli.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121544
Except some people view their own birthplace as 'different'.

[Anonymous No.]

>only bad shit comes down when people try to leave their places.

THIS IS FUNDAMENTAL.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121580
and yet socialist scandanavia has some of the best standards of living in the world

even with a total welfare state and free healthcare, people still live in relative opulence

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121590
And it's also full of criminals abusing the welfare system.

[Anonymous No.]

>The immigrants should be informed that their acceptance is dependent on how acceptable they make themselves. They can't turn white for us and thus we'll let that pass, but they have to turn _western_ for us, because that's just related to their behavior and they can control it.

THIS
THIS
THIS

[Anonymous No.]

debito could've just taken his business elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121590
I wouldn't consider " be mildly opulent whatever you do in life" fair in any way.

What socialism really is, taking money through taxes to pay for other people, is fundamentally against human rights, specifically, ones's right to dispose of his own work.
That's if you want to interpret it in an extreme manner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121606
so?

if every welfare cheat was removed from the system, it would be less of a relief on public resources than depriving politicians of their taxpayer-funded payout to furnish their SECOND home (at least in Britain)

[Anonymous No.]

> Let's just fap to some loli.
Listen to this man. This is why /jp/ was created.

[Anonymous No.]

Guys, I miss /n/.

[Anonymous No.]

My name's Ray. I don't know how I'd feel being called Rei.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121606

That's a myth, really. The real problem is that the system has grown too many branches and is suffocating under the bureaucracy. The legislators should simplify that shit to the bare essentials instead of inventing a new obscure form of monetary support every six weeks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121630
I don't

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121626
No, this isn't.
It was created to take away from /a/ whatever interesting topics it might have.
Not only loli.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121625
So we're just back where we started, faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121630

Me too. /n/ was a kickass place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121590
norway is an oil producing country. after oil is replaced by something else, norway will turn into a cold shithole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121637
I'm afraid you're mistaken. /jp/ was created by God, in order to provide Loli and Touhoues to His people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121633
There will always be leeches and parasites to abuse the system if you give them the chance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121618

Human right, all of them, are mutually contradictory. It's impossible to satisfy any of them 100% without trampling some other, equally important right to dirt. What you have to do is balance them in a rational way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121633
This is what's wrong with governments.

A government isn't supposed to be present in the people's everyday life.

I don't need the fucking president to hold my hand throughout my entire life, stop wasting my tax money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121648
What about Sweden, Finland and Iceland?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121658

"Leech" and "parasite" are just derogatory words for the needing and deserving.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121659
Also, it ain't much of a myth, a good part of my family, which I absolutely loathe, live on welfare, being lazy and open about the fact that they have no reason to do anything if they can get money that way.

To think that I fucking pay for them is torture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121618
Wealth is derived from the combination of natural resources and labor. Control over natural resources is mostly down to how good your ancestors were at killing people, and ability to produce valuable labor is mostly genetic. Therefore total control of property is not a natural right at all, and wealth redistribution is the only fair option (and also the only sensible option, as the libertarian "utopia" is really a violent anarchistic hell).

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121673

Don't forget Denmark.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121681
get over it

your taxes fund the fire service

every tax dollar that the government takes from you personally goes to fund people who spend their whole career RESCUING PEOPLE FROM BURNING TO DEATH

next time you want to complain about a 1c tax increase, just think of it like that

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121501
You are a faggot and a victim of fear inducing war propaganda.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121685
HAHAHA, GOOD ONE, FAGGOT

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121693
why? everyone else does

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121692
>ability to produce valuable labor is mostly genetic

WHAT THE FUCK

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121673
you mean little eurabia, west russia, and who-the-fuck-cares?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121697
Except my one cent of tax increase doesn't go in a man that's saving people, it goes in my lazy uncle's pocket.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121707
you have entered stormfront

do not pass go
do not collect $200
do not feed the trolls

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121707
I suppose you're one of those who thinks Africans have low IQ because the tests are biased?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121697
They're actually going towards retard Indians so they can buy their cigarettes.
Policing and such should be the government's only responsibility.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121710
no it doesn't, the multi-billion dollar fire service budget is paid for by your taxes

doesn't that make you feel good to be alive?

calculate how many dollars in taxes you've paid in your life, and how many life-saving fire-trucks and suits and hoses that's paid for.

how many lolis are alive because of YOU

you should be damn proud

well done

[Anonymous No.]

haha oh wow
I wondered where all the stormfronters went after /n/ closed down

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121700

I'm afraid the victim of propaganda is you. You think invasions need tanks and bombers, when there's a new type of invasion, a cultural one going on.

Just look at the immigration numbers in Europe, and think about how it takes an estimated 20 years minimum for a person to truly grok the new culture, even if he tries his hardest to - and these people hardly even try.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121725
Exactly, only the regalian functions should be assumed by state.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121692
Typical communist faggot that advocates slavework.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121735
>I'm afraid of change
cry more faggot
even in a town where everyone is white and christian and supports the same football team, shit changes. shit changes a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121544
Hello butthurt faggot. Home come a hiki is raging about the vely diffelent people without actually going outside? Bullied in school faggot?

[Anonymous No.]

The real leeches are bankers. Usury used to be punishable by death for a reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121735
I believe that 20 years minimum, and so should everyone here. Even if you're a high level weeaboo, do you really understand *every* cultural reference in Jap media? I've been watching/reading this shit for >10 years, and still I come across things I didn't know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121730
You're not serious enough for me to want to hate you...

Let's just consider that since there aren't a hundred thousand new firefighters or cops everyday, I'd assume a good part of my tax money is being used in ways which I do not approve of.

Also, damn, you're not serious enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121732
Certainly not /jp/. We hate racism, remember?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121756
It was punished because it was considered against the bible.
Bankers are an essential part of society, which doesn't excuse the fact that you're giving them money so they can give your cash to shitty companies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121752
i'm more serious than bowel cancer

i'm fucking sick of people crying about taxes when there have ALWAYS been taxes

and they use stupid shit like "I am paying for [undesirable person, possibly brown] to [something lazy or criminal] with my hard work" when they are equally paying for fire service, schoolbooks and national parks.

In fact, as soon as taxes are mentioned, I just enter rage mode. it's the most pathetic thing anyone can complain about, the system is older than any of us alive today. Just stop convincing yourself that you earn your pre-tax salary, ignore the money you spend on taxes and everything will be fine

and you won't die from a stroke at 43

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121752

You don't get to choose the specifics of how your taxes are used. If you did, you'd only ever improve shit around your own home and house, and that would ruin the whole point of taxes.

The government uses the tax money to fund whatever it deems worth funding, and the only way you get to affect that is to vote for different people, or emigrate and try to shop around for a society that does things closer to what you want. But you will never find one that uses your tax money ONLY to improve things that affect your life directly, because that kind of thing is impossible and does not even make sense.

Now, if you meant that in the general sense the taxes could be used more efficiently, that I agree with. There's entirely too much bureaucracy around that serves no practical purpose. But in the end, the tax money has to go to the people who need it the most, not to the people who paid it the most.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121759
oldfag is old

[Anonymous No.]

This entire thread is brain cancer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121772
I'm not complaining about the existence of taxes, I'm complaining about the fact that in my country, one fourth of the money the government spends is spent giving welfare to people.

It's not because robbery is fucking old as man that it's justificated.

[Anonymous No.]

The Earth is degenerating these days. Bribery and corruption abound. Children no longer mind their parents, every man wants to write a book, and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching.

- Assyrian Stone Tablet, 2800BC

[Anonymous No.]

/jp/ - politics

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121786
I didn't know the Assyrians read the Daily Mail

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121747

Funny how every time I notice something has changed, it has changed for the worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121735
Osamas biggest achievment, TEH COUPE GRANDE MUSLIMI, fooling the world with some minor terrorism, plotting in the shadows for his greatest masterpiece, invaving Europe though immigration.

JUST AS KEIKAKU

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121797
last I checked the japanese were a part of world politics. enjoy being a board topic nazi, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121820
Osama's greatest trick was convincing the world he exists

[Anonymous No.]

>It seems we hear the word every day.
Not really.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121790

One fourth? Damn, that seems nice, compared to the "70% goes to military spending" setups we have seen. Welfare is probably the sanest thing you can spend money on - keep in mind that it includes things like schooling etc., and all of these help keep the order in wherever you live, better than any amount of cops and cameras can.

Ultimately, you never deserve as much money as you make. The free trade is inherently unfair, because it becomes easier to make money the more you have, and harder the less you have. A blanket tax on everything and some specific, low tax-free sum given to every citizen for just being alive seems like the basis of a just economy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121828
This is an argument I used when /jp/ was one week old, it is highly flawed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121828
/jp/ - Toehoe

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121820

The nasty part about cultural invasion is that it doesn't need a leader or a plan, it doesn't need anything other than a bunch of impoverished foreigners that breed like rabbits and have a culture antithetical to our own, and poorly planned immigration laws. After those two elements are in place, it happens naturally like water flowing downstream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121835
>you never deserve as much money as you make
>free trade is inherently unfair
even hardcore communists would disagree with both of these statements.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121848

No they wouldn't. Hardcore communists think that the very idea of ownership is evil.

Me, I just recognize that free trade does not equal fair trade: all free trades are skewed in favor of the person who starts with more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121363

He IS trying to conform, the Japanese just don't want him too

[Anonymous No.]

I don't care what they call me, really.

I draw the line when they have the nerve to call me a foreigner in my own country. Fucking tourists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1121835
I can't agree with that.
Of course the more money you have the more you make, and what's stopping you from having money?
I believe one deserves the worth of his work.
Of course trade isn't fair, but then, what is?
Do you believe making everything "fair" ,as in someone who's worked his ass off deserves as much as someone who doesn't do anything, is fair ?
You pay for what you use, and I can assure you I don't use the money from my taxes.

I didn't have public education, I'm not on social security, I live in a lost shithole without cops, I pay for every single thing I use.
And I can approve of the existence of taxes to fund the system, I know it's necessary, but it is not fair.

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>>1121868

Political beliefs are just about the least dumb things on this planet. They're what everything boils down to in the end: how the things that affect us all should be handled.

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>>1121867
absolutely wrong.
It is pure communist doctrine that a worker deserves the entirety of the riches he has produced, that is exactly why communism does not accept capitalism, because capitalism gives money to somebody who didn't personally create what he is selling and is making money on the proletarians.

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OHNO FUNNY LOOKING PEOPLE WITH STRANGE WAYS AND MANNERISMS, WHATEVER WILL WE DO

WELCOME TO GLOBALIZATION FAGGOTS, UNLESS YOU CAN SHOVE SAFE INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL AND FREE TRADE BACK INTO PANDORA'S BOX IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE

SUCK IT THE FUCK UP

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>>1121903
See >>1121692. Wealth is not purely the result of labor, and even if it was then it would still be unfair, as wealth production capability is strongly correlated with IQ, good health, etc, which are mostly genetic. Even ability to "work hard" has a strong genetic component.

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>>1121846
Get over it, that's the next phase, redefinition of the term nation.
Don't like it? Kill yourself.

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>>1121928
Genetics is not part of communist doctrine, sorry from a purely communist point of view, this variable doesn't exist.
This is why in the pure view of communism, not the bastardisation made by the soviets, the workers are the leaders of society, there is only money proportional to what the worker produces, the one which does not work does not get.

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>>1121912

Why does Japan think we put fried eggs on hamburgers?

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>>1121939
I do it too, it's quite good.

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>>1121886
>Do you believe making everything "fair" ,as in someone who's worked his ass off deserves as much as someone who doesn't do anything, is fair ?

Hell no. I hate people who start out rich without having done anything constructive in their lives. But I also recognize that most people are not poor out of laziness, or because of anything else that could be reasonably called their own fault. Most people are poor because they were just dealt in some way worse cards than others through blind luck, and that is not fair.

I have always believed that life isn't fair, but a well-planned society can and should be. And the way that can be achieved is that you tax away some of the undeserved strokes of luck from people A, and use it to compensate for the undeserved misfortunes of the people B. People A will of course bitch about it, but if they're smart they recognize that this keeps people B from killing them and taking their shit, as would be their right otherwise.

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>>1121939
because they eat burgers with eggs

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>>1121867
maybe some sort of crazy anarcho communist might agree that "ownership is theft" or some hardcore authortarian because "everything belongs to the state, we decide when you can borrow it."

>>1121903
pretty much nail on the head.

>>1121928
exactly why communists believe the means of production should stay with the workers and not go to a "factory owner".

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>>1121954
>that this keeps people B from killing them and taking their shit, as would be their right otherwise.
a thousand times this

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>>1121943
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

Communism accepts science, and science proves that ability is not equal, so genetics IS part of communist doctrine.

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>>1121957

>>1121903 here
I hate the fact that I know this, being hugely capitalist and liberal.

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>>1121903

So what was this "to every man according to his needs" thing about then?

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further proof that /jp/ is nothing more than suburban white males in their 5+ bedroom parents houses with the curtains closed waiting for mommy to bring up their peanut-butter-jelly sandwich

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>>1121966
Communism is not the culture of generosity, it NEVER allowed one to have something which he does not deserve, each can produce, you do not need a strong constitution to produce enough to make a good living.

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everyone on /jp/ is a well-read professor of politics with peer-reviewed published articles

moot agreed, don't bother him about it

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>>1121973
Tell us something we don't know

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>>1121973

6 bedrooms, but who's counting anyways?

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>>1121966
we all know your agenda is racism/genetic breeding except for the flaw that every race has people with gimpy parts. gimpy eyes are pretty much accepted as "normal" since the invention of glasses. being born with a gimpy brain can't be fixed.

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>>1121970
You know, this is exactly how information culture works when you ignore the artificial scarcity laws of copyright etc. When we get the nanoreplicators and fusion reactors working it could apply to real life too.

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>>1121954

Of course, not all profits are undeserved, and not all losses are either. Where the line goes is never clear. If it was, we'd only have one justice system and political system on this planet.

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>>1121954
I'm the one you quoted, and I approve but I don't think this is the best way to make things fairer, an efficient public education, giving each an true equal chance, and an effective medical institution are what I believe is the true way to develop a society of equal chances proportional to what one deserves, that is, how much he works towards his goals.
I do not believe giving someone money is going to make it fair.
As the proverb says, give a man a fish and you will feed him for one day, teach him how to fish and he'll never be hungry.

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>>1121957
yeah, anarcho communists is more of a fantasy hippy theory that people will just wander into your house and take something to use as their own. and if two people want to use something at the same time, they either work together or smoke pot & relax rather than fight over it.

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>>1121993

Some of the points in the communist manifesto may actually come trough, not like marx belived though. The constant improvement and capacity for robotic workforces may eventually lead to the disappearance of the working class.

A big trend nowadays is also that you don't own something, you lease it, you pay for a service, not the ownership of something.

Eventually we'll end up with money being a luxury product, something not really needed for a decent life.

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>>1121970
Not in pure communist doctrine.
Every man according to what he deserves is.

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>>1121993
or just robots that can completely build & repair themselves and also perform food production, power production, resource gathering, refinement, etc. That will allow for a true communist system to take over because the basic needs of everyone will be met. Lazyfags can be lazy while the busyfags can make shit the robots cant.

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>>1121982
Even the greatest genius is born with a "gimpy brain". This is why study of statistics, logical fallacies, persuasion psychology, etc. is so important - common sense isn't good enough for modern society. Look at how many people fall for phishing scams and social engineering, sometimes even expert security researchers.

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>>1122011
You're forgetting one thing, scarcity.
Nothing is created.
If you have a consommation unbridled by money, nothing will regulate production, what you'll have is famine and rich people ( the ones who actually do stuff) feeding themselves.

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wow. a somewhat intelligent thread on /jp/. wtf?

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>>1122029
happens quite often.
Last one about economics was flooded with loli, though.

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I like how people on /jp/ pretend to be productive members of society.

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>>1122047
You don't imagine what some of us do, actually.

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>>1122029
>a somewhat intelligent thread on /jp/
where?

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>>1122061
You are on /jp/. You are no better than any of us. You are on /jp/.

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>>1122047
Nobody pretended

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>>1122071
and the economics of commu.....
wait. what were we talking about again?

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>>1122077
No better, just productive.

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whoops forgot my

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>>1122080
Internet Productive Members of Society. The new Internet Tough Guys.

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>>1122085
Maybe producing more posts, or more empty snack packets...

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>>1122087
"IN MY JOB I'M THE FUCKING BOSS
I CAN FUCKING FIRE THE SHIT OUT OF ANY OF YOU"
is to become the new " I can bench press 300pounds, I'd kick any of your scrawny asses."

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admit it, i'm the best thing to happen to this thread

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>>1122104
Not really, but you're the proof that modern capitalist society is flawed in the sense that it allows for too much consommation, such excesses would never have been reached in previous times, people can too easily get money.
look at all those fat women.

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/jp/ - Socio-economics/Communist theory

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>>1122131
>>1122097
>>1122087
/jp/ - Internet Productive Members of Society

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>>1122131
now everytime I mention I work, I'll be spammed with that, oh god, what have I created ?

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>>1121985
>>1121912

MORE OF THIS DEAR GOD YES

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>>1121939
Try the one on Red Robin's menu. Fucking fabulous.