Umineko nostalgia

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Umineko nostalgia the_sakuya_dude !!qVS8B13cIL1 Tue Jul 16 18:34:41 2013 No.11189905 [Reply] [Original]

(Sorry for my bad english)

It was winter 2008,i decided to finally try Umineko no naku koro ni. I had never been a very big fan of the previous work of ryukishi07, but Beato design grasp my attention. from the first episode, i was hooked, the slow introduction of the characters didn't bother me, being a fan of detective genre. The musics were perfect in my taste, this whole creating an atmosphere which get me forget about the bad graphics. The first tea party was a great moment, with Beato showing up and poiting out all the unexplainable little things.
Episode 4 is were my hype was the hightest, i was thinking of umineko night and day at this time, the final confrontation with dreamendischarger is still for me one of the epicest moment in any VN anime or whatever... I didn't care Battler theory were stupid.
and... Chiru
Episode 5 was a bit disapointing... But the ending give me hope. I was thinking in that time that Battler will fight to regain the gamebord for him and Beato si they can finally have their true final confrontation.
I totaly love episode 6. It's hard to explain but Beato/Shanon/Kanon being the same person was ok for me. end the battle between Erika and Battler is insane.

I don't what to say about episode 7... Beato backstory is sad. So we have some true but doesn't truh matter anymore at this point ?

For years now i have a strange feeling, i didn't dislike chiru and episode 7 give me a closure feeling. But at the same time i never got motivation for doing episode 8. maybe because elements that gave me excitment in first 4 episodes were gone forever.

I still of umineko, the fame seem to be completly gone on internet. I still hope for an animated chiru who goes who stay in the Battler vs Beato (Who knows, maybe Ryushiki really change is story because is friend death)

anyway... does Ryukyshi07 still working on something ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 16 18:35:41 2013 No.11189910 Umineko theory threads were interesting to read through

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 16 19:27:41 2013 No.11190091 File: 292 KB, 683x1024, 59abd6e17a2f08a3c6aa0ce787ae6e09.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 16 19:29:41 2013 No.11190105 Didn't read as I'm replaying Umineko right now. I'm trying to figure out things I might have missed before. Oh, an witches don't exist. Fuck witches.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 16 20:14:41 2013 No.11190215 File: 21 KB, 221x241, 1357771311950.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >anyway... does Ryukyshi07 still working on something ? RGD Season 3 is coming soon.

Anonymous Tue Jul 16 20:28:41 2013 No.11190252

Episode 5 was a bit disapointing... But the ending give me hope. I was thinking in that time that Battler will fight to regain the gamebord for him and Beato si they can finally have their true final confrontation.
I totaly love episode 6. It's hard to explain but Beato/Shanon/Kanon being the same person was ok for me. end the battle between Erika and Battler is insane.

I don't what to say about episode 7... Beato backstory is sad. So we have some true but doesn't truh matter anymore at this point ?

For years now i have a strange feeling, i didn't dislike chiru and episode 7 give me a closure feeling. But at the same time i never got motivation for doing episode 8. maybe because elements that gave me excitment in first 4 episodes were gone forever.

woah. are you me?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 16 20:40:41 2013 No.11190292 I liked calling people retards again and again for thinking the Shkanontrice theory wasn't right. Reading Umineko was a true loss of time though

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 16 20:46:41 2013 No.11190311 File: 40 KB, 640x480, [Live-eviL]_Captain_Harlock_(TV-1978)_-_14_-_Special_Edition_[420421D4].mkv_snapshot_06.04_[2013.05.15_23.59.56].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11190292 Shut up, nerd

Anonymous Tue Jul 16 21:00:41 2013 No.11190353

How the heck can you possibly like EP6 better than EP5?
EP5 was the peak of the rollercoaster and 6 was just about as bad as 4. Filled with raburabu garbage no one cares about, Battler's disappointing incompetence, and Beato's "replacement" (I'd rather Beato stay dead than have her be resurrected but not quite the same Beato, that was a huge slap in the face) it was a clear contrast to EP5's hilarity.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 17 03:08:41 2013 No.11191586 >>11190215 When is the second season going to be translated? They're still at 5% and yet it has been four months already. What is Witch Hunt even doing?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 17 03:29:41 2013 No.11191637 If you believe the red truth is absolute, then Rosatrice is a better theory than Shkanotrice because it has no logical contradictions. If there's a convincing theory that's more logically consistent than Rosatrice, I'd like to hear it.

Anonymous Wed Jul 17 03:40:41 2013 No.11191667

I'm still confused as to why Lion and Wright played no major role in the last episode when they survived the events of the end of episode 7. It seems like while writing episode 8 R07 just decided to keep them alive for the fan's sake and didn't know what to do with them after that.

Anonymous Wed Jul 17 04:51:41 2013 No.11191817

>>11191667
>It seems like while writing episode 8 R07 just decided to keep them alive for the fan's sake and didn't know what to do with them after that.

>It seems like while writing episode 8 R07 didn't know what to with them after that.

>It seem R07 didn't know what to do.

And that's the real problem with chiru. During the course of 1~4 Ryukishi throw a lot of mystery novels référence, build up a complex murder case...

But then in Chiru didn't know what to do and drown is own story into magical element, slapping reader face with all of his " Truth is not imprtant, heart is !"

magic or not, the "how dunnit" is equally important as "why dunnit" Murder on the orient express is a prime exemple.

i think it's totally possible to have in Umineko an explanation for the murders AND explore Beato characters, Battler sin and all the familly feud

But Ryukishi gone too far with is closed room, maybe thinking he'll have time to find an explanation until later's episode writing, but couldn't

no Dine, no Know, no fair... so cheap

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 17 04:51:41 2013 No.11191820 File: 18 KB, 281x213, 1370635833717.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11191586 Who knows..I hope soon.

Anonymous Wed Jul 17 06:02:41 2013 No.11191953

>>11191637
Symbolically and narratively, Shakannon is more interesting.
Literally, Rosatrice makes more sense and expand on the characters rather than put the whole focus on a single character.

In my opinion, both are correct since this is a catbox and the story uses red herring to allude to both.
Thus both should and can be accepted.

Anonymous Wed Jul 17 06:05:41 2013 No.11191957

>>11189905
Umineko is a terrible VN. I found it wholly disappointing. It also managed to retroactively ruin Higurashi, which was actually good, so fuck R07. I believe that Shannon/Kanon/Beatrice is the canon theory, but I believe that R07 originally intended Rosa and George to be the culprits but changed it when he began to work on the latter chapters for unknown reasons, probably concerning his dead friend or the fact everyone on both the Japanese and English web had caught on to the fact Rosa or George was likely the culprit.

>>	gigs !A7GLsxo4c. Wed Jul 17 23:55:05 2013 No.11195383 File: 93 KB, 480x720, 9181c992d3c4ef499e9511502275cd59.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I am re-reading 1-4 and 5-8 with the sprite and background patches and voicework and its great. I forgot how much I loved the music.

>>	gigs !A7GLsxo4c. Wed Jul 17 23:57:05 2013 No.11195396 File: 128 KB, 384x576, ad6c1ecaa975a131c5bf5fc3baf76fe5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

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>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 18 02:16:05 2013 No.11195814 What the fuck gigs!bar stop bumping this with your shitty images

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>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 19 14:02:51 2013 No.11201342 I'm reading it now, currently at episode 2. Now excuse me while I get the fuck out of /jp/ for a month before some son of a bitch spoils me.

>>	gigs !A7GLsxo4c. Sat Jul 20 00:07:30 2013 No.11203629 File: 156 KB, 400x561, 11c4464565c5d91011afbae3e7a707c6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11201342 Episode 3 is the best. Hopefully you aren't playing it with the sprite and background patches.

Anonymous Sat Jul 20 00:15:30 2013 No.11203655
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>>11203629
Why wouldn't he? The original art was shit. It's not even a problem of art style, the bodies and faces were ridiculous, and the backgrounds looked hideous. At least Higurashi's art was cute. Only Jessica looks better in the original ryukishi art.

gigs !A7GLsxo4c. Sat Jul 20 00:20:00 2013 No.11203669
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>>11203655
Some of the newer sprites look weird. Also, I think people should read it the way it was originally released. Erikas new sprites look great though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 20 02:05:31 2013 No.11203939 >>11203655 Is it that bad? I think it's kind of cute how hideous Evatrice is in that picture. Fits better imo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 20 02:07:31 2013 No.11203941 >>11203939 Eva Beatrice is actually one of the better ones, I just wanted to post that picture.

>>	gigs !A7GLsxo4c. Sat Jul 20 02:47:16 2013 No.11204078 >>11203939 I have always found her sprited both original and remake terrible. Just something bad about it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 20 02:53:17 2013 No.11204107 >>11191957 Implying you ever read Higurashi.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 20 02:55:46 2013 No.11204119 >>11204107 You forgot your meme arrow.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 20 02:57:31 2013 No.11204125 >>11204119 >Implying you ever read Higurashi

Anonymous Sat Jul 20 03:28:32 2013 No.11204213

>>11204119
I do not think that the person that you are quoting did forgot the meme arrows that belong to himself.

I think that the person that you are quoting did not forgot the meme arrows that belong to himself.

What do you think about my commentary? If you did think something about my commentary, I would like it very much if you said to me what you did think about my commentary.

I will say goodbye now. It means bye bye.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 21 12:18:36 2013 No.11209607 File: 65 KB, 840x525, 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Ange!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 21 12:35:36 2013 No.11209628 Atleast the bgm wasn't disappointing. ahaha.wav

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 21 14:23:36 2013 No.11209984 File: 40 KB, 840x525, 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Rika Nipah thread naw

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 21 14:55:03 2013 No.11210094 If Shkanon is true, then how do you explain how they showed up in the same place at the same time? That can't be possible if they are the same person.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 21 15:07:21 2013 No.11210145 File: 54 KB, 840x525, 1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11210094 Same as Erika here

Anonymous Sun Jul 21 15:31:36 2013 No.11210212

>>11210094
I think the thing was they never show up together in front of Battler. The VN has some sort of unreliable narrator thing going on and you can only fully trust what the "player character" directly observes. Unless of course they did appear together with Battler present and I forgot, then I guess its just crappy writing?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 01:38:53 2013 No.11212691 >>11209984 I love you, Nipah!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 22 23:44:45 2013 No.11216515 File: 351 KB, 950x725, umineko.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If you lose your way tonight that's how you know the magic's right

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 02:19:17 2013 No.11217063 >>11216515 good taste

Anonymous Tue Jul 23 03:00:56 2013 No.11217177
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>>11210094
It was a masterful illusion, and years after there is still people who didn't understand how it was done. Kudos to Ryukishi.

This is more or less what is the problem with Umineko. It's well thought. It assumes the reader is reasonably clever and fair in its search of truth. There is an awfully big number of reference thrown everywhere, and when you reread it, you can't help but be amazed of the depth of the mystery. That's the problem.

/jp/ readers are moron. The vast majority of the western and eastern anime fandom of Umineko consisted of immature people, manchildren, 2ch overweight otaku, tumblr feminists, and all in between. They are not rational. They are not fair. They can't think straight, for the most part. When you try to be clever with these people, you're really shooting yourself on the foot.

Ryukishi tried to create a deep, moving and intricate story with people who think that School Days is a masterpiece of narration. He tried to create a meta narrative using heavy post-modern element when his fandom consisted of 15 years old residing in their mother basement. He tried to play logic and mystery with people who couldn't use logic even if they wanted.

He tried to be rational with autistic children, and the autistic children answered with a 12 hours long video of fallacies and sophistry about an alternative theory making no good sense whatsoever.

It didn't go quite as planned, I guess.

I won't answer you. Either you are able to find this answer yourself, it is very simple if you know the rules of Umineko. Or you're able to find this answer on the internet. Stupidity is not an excuse, anon. It will never be.

What a waste.

>>	gigs !A7GLsxo4c. Tue Jul 23 03:04:56 2013 No.11217186 File: 287 KB, 720x852, 65a1175210585c9e72d673daaaa9f943.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] An entire VN revolved around Erika.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 07:03:11 2013 No.11217635 >>11217177 > a 12 hours long video I think I remember that. Anyone have a link? Also you sound extremely pretentious. I'm actually surprised your post isn't a piece of copy pasta from some autistic dweeb.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 23 07:20:26 2013 No.11217681 Will I be able to play all Umineko VNs, if I don't have any consoles?

Anonymous Tue Jul 23 15:31:19 2013 No.11218555
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>>11217635
>Also you sound extremely pretentious.

It's the truth. It is harsh, like all truths are.

Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHMta4YbjSM

This video is actually a very good example of what is commonly called propaganda. The author uses the same careful mix of fallacies and repetition you find in conspiracy theories and state-wide disinformation. He's even reasonably good at it, though not very subtle.

Why do you believe it is so long? One word: Repetition. It's almost hypnotic really. The speaker repeats the consequence of his theory, and repeats it, and repeats it, until it becomes almost an automatism. He draws specious conclusions from all the little spark of doubt he can find and hammer them again and again and again until you can't think straight. Every single one of his arguments has fairly logical and simple rebuttal, but he uses the repetition to create a fairly solid looking house of cards. It's fascinating.

I don't really think he is willingly deluding, the same thing an autistic conspiracy theorist doesn't aim to delude intentionally. It's just how they think, how they argue, how they want to believe. It's not their sincerity that is wrong, it's their minds.

On this subject, look at the other videos on his channels. With all the due respect to a fellow human being, this guy has some loose ends.

the_sakuya_dude !!qVS8B13cIL1 Wed Jul 24 12:08:48 2013 No.11221352

>>11218555

My god this video !

and used to think i was obessed with umineko.

but does he really like Umineko ? arguing to this point it's being a total revisionist

>>11210094

If you say, you haven't really pay atention to story ans the way it's delivered to the reader.

Peoples can blame ryukishi for shkanon being stupid, but not that's imossible

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 19:40:07 2013 No.11222559 >>11221352 How is Shkanon stupid? Please, tell me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 20:14:07 2013 No.11222616 File: 146 KB, 640x480, 1284869340.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11195383 >reading Umineko >not with original character art

Anonymous Wed Jul 24 20:22:52 2013 No.11222634
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Umineko is a nostalgic favorite for me as well.

Has anyone played Higanbana? It wasn't quite the same level as Umineko, but I found it very enjoyable. I'm looking forward to the 2nd Night a lot. And Rose Gun Days a little bit, but more so whatever Ryukishi07 will be making after it.

Anonymous Wed Jul 24 20:54:08 2013 No.11222755

>>11195383
>sprite and background patches
Ew. Disgusting.

Also, they make it impossible for me to immerse myself in the story. The way they look reminds me of the fact that I'm reading a visual novel. I can't concentrate.

>voicework
Enjoy waiting forever for the characters to stop talking.

It also kills many scenes for me. It's hard to be touched by important scenes when every time battler screams it sounds like he's got a bad case of diarrhea. It's less like he's screaming out of anguish and more like he's dealing with the aftermath of prunes.

Anonymous Wed Jul 24 21:00:52 2013 No.11222773

>>11222634
>Has anyone played Higanbana
No. I'm the only one. I think it's really underrated. Most people didn't even give it a chance.

It wasn't intended to be as amazing as Higurashi or Umineko, but it was flawless unlike those two.

I personally love Higanbana. There is something about it... It's hard to explain.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 21:07:22 2013 No.11222790 >>11222634 MARIA will become a creator after a thousand years. Sakunoshin appears in Higanbana. Maria was bullied at school. Marie's name is suspiciously similar to Maria's. MARIA created the world of Higanbana. Discuss.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 21:21:08 2013 No.11222826 >>11222790 Also, Maria loves occult lore. The world of Higanbana is all about that...ghost stories, rankings in the spirit world, etc. It's just the sort of story that would fascinate her.

Anonymous Wed Jul 24 21:32:08 2013 No.11222872

>>11222826
Damn, that's true. I didn't realize that. She talked about that seven mysteries thing in EP4, IIRC.

Hell, she even told Ange that, by being the bullied kid, she was saving someone else from being bullied in her place. There will always be a sacrifice so everyone else can be happy. That was a big theme in Higanbana.

This theory is very exciting. But it could also be just Ryukishi recycling themes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 24 21:41:07 2013 No.11222898 >>11222773 >it was flawless Loli-tits on the sprites. The same thing happened to Maria. Those things are not canon (except maybe Yukari's). I don't know why R07 keeps doing this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 25 19:00:58 2013 No.11226858 >>11222898 If you feel so deeply about loli-tits, you might be reading these VNs for the wrong reason.

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