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New truNEET vs truNORMIE thread.

Welcome to the NHK a shit

>> No.11157295

Official truNEET representative here

>> No.11157300

>>11157295

Prove it.

>> No.11157301
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11157301

neetNEET rep

>> No.11157302
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Official Normalfag rep here

When are you nerds going to get laid? Its not hard.

>> No.11157309
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>above avarage looks
>tall
>funny
>in uni
>don't freeze around girls
>rich parents
>low standards
>still can't get a gf

What the fuck is wrong with me?

>> No.11157305

>>>/a/

>> No.11157313

>>11157300
I'm channeling my NEET energies toward you right now. Can you feel it?

>> No.11157315

I was serious about that truNEET story where the protag has to leave his safe cozy home to get money so he can go back to it.

maybe ill write a short story of it or something and save it on my desktop

wud be cool

>> No.11157319

I feel like the final truNEET barrier to cross is getting over social anxiety while still remaining tru

>> No.11157330

TruNEETs are just as bad as the worst normalfags. You're still pack animals defined by the clique you try to fit into and scared of anyone who doesn't follow your rigid social standards.

>> No.11157325
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>>11157301

neetNEET = y(EET)(2) = truNORMIES

>> No.11157326

>>11157319
I can't, I was born with it

>> No.11157328

i haven't left my house 2day at all man
friends are even starting to get a little worried haha
am i a true NEET?

>> No.11157333

>>11157330
fuck off toilet user

>> No.11157334

>>11157330
Not to mention some make it out like they are following a noble cause.

>> No.11157336
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>>11157325

Actually it's neet^NEET=transcended truNEET, your formula is all wrong.

>> No.11157339

>>11157330
The only people that say that are pissed off normals mad because they don't fit in to tru/jp/

Maybe you'll have better luck in the steam group or facebook.

>> No.11157340

>>11157334
Say what you want, it's still more noble than being a part of the capitalist rat race.

>> No.11157345

>>11157330
i always think its funny when posers who try to pretend get caught and then try to turn it around by calling us fags or nerds.

as if we care normie

oh boohoo you didnt go out friday night you arent one of us

>> No.11157349

>>11157319
You become like a toughguy manga protagonist then

>> No.11157352

>>11157336

Ew, stop posting NORMIE

>> No.11157353

>>11157340
Ripping off your parents is not an ethically defensible alternative.

>> No.11157356

>>11157352
Please don't call me a normie, you're the normie.

>> No.11157363

>>11157330

They are slaves blind to their shackles that mock the slaves deaf to their reasoning.

>> No.11157358

>>11157353
>ethics
LOL you can smell the normal coming off this guy a mile away
Yeah feel free to come back when you have transcended social norms

>> No.11157367

>>11157353
Not everybody is leeching off of their parents. There are many other avenues.

>> No.11157369

>>11157358

Incompetence is not transcendence.

>> No.11157370

>>11157356

Fuck off truNORMIE, go work somewhere else

>> No.11157373

>>11157370
I'm a true neetNEET, I don't work. I couldn't say the same for you though, wageslave.

>> No.11157374

>>11157340
I disagree. Capitalism has brought about some good things.

Isolating yourself for years on end achieves very little besides the possibility for self-improvement.

>> No.11157376

>>11157358
There's nothing after ethics and morality.

>> No.11157378

>>11157376
You would understand if you ever reached a state of truNEETism.

The universe looks different when you stop looking at it through normalfag eyes.

>> No.11157394

>>11157373

Keep trying NORMIE

>> No.11157389

>>11157373

Nice double negative faggot

>> No.11157390

>>11157358
You haven't transcended anything. "TrueNEET" is a spook as much as any other social norm.

>> No.11157395

There are NEETs who are out and about enjoying the world while you fags are too scared to leave your house LOL

>> No.11157396
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11157396

Did any other truNEETs notice they started to develop powers after a while?

>> No.11157397

>>11157367
I don't really mind leeching off the government because I believe there should be a minimum guaranteed income, but it doesn't pass the categorical imperative test.

>> No.11157401

>>11157396
We chuuni now.

>> No.11157402

>>11157395
Rich normalfag kids maybe
A majority of NEETs are actually lazy normal scum and are often niggers

>> No.11157403
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>>11157394
>>11157389
Why do you keep bullying me? I'm not a normie.

>> No.11157404

>>11157397
Kantian philosophy is not kosher.

>> No.11157408

>>11157403
Yes you are

ew

>> No.11157412

>>11157396
the power to delude yourself into believing you have a power is a mighty one indeed

>> No.11157418

>>11157408
Stop it.

>> No.11157420

>>11157305
Anon please, these kind of threads are pure /jp/ shit.

>> No.11157421

>>11157418

Get a load of this shitty NORMIE

>> No.11157425

>>11157420
it was aimed at the original poster moreso than the subject of the thread

>> No.11157426

What happens when you meet another neet
Do you fight or what

>> No.11157427

>>11157426
stop confusing neet with truNEET(hakkukomuri)

>> No.11157429
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>>11157421
no bully

>> No.11157431

>>11157427
If I was asking about truNEET I would have said truNEET

A truNEET wouldn't notice the people around him in the first place. His existence is in almost intangible.

>> No.11157432

>>11157429

Only a truNORMIE would mind bullying.

Fuck off.

>> No.11157437

>>11157426
It's a wordless thing. You both know the score. Nothing can be said.

>> No.11157439
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>>11157432
>Only a truNORMIE would mind bullying.

You're right

>> No.11157445

>>11157440
Why are they so mean? Even the meanest ones I knew never did some of the shit they go on about.

>> No.11157440

Bullying in Jap stories makes me depressed.

>> No.11157441
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11157441

It's obnoxious how normal people try to discredit anything they don't like by parodying it. Yes, things look silly when you intentionally misrepresent them. Adding things to your opponents' arguments, then acting like they're being the silly ones, is a sign that your own argument is lacking and you're doing something to compensate.

>> No.11157442

Who femNEET here?

>> No.11157443

>>11157328
I'm sorry but no.
I haven't left the house in three weeks, and the last time was to see a psychologist...

>> No.11157447

>>11157443
Are you trying to imply you are true NEET?

>> No.11157448

>>11157441
People are often intellectually dishonest, this isn't exclusive to normies.

>>11157443
It's a transparent troll. So transparent that it was possibly meant as just a joke.

>> No.11157451

>>11157448
>People are often intellectually dishonest, this isn't exclusive to normies.

You need to stop changing the subject, normie.

>> No.11157455

Are furries normal?

>> No.11157456
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11157456

Whenever I start feeling a little too anxious in public I just visualize that I am the Driver

It helps to have a fast car

>> No.11157460

>>11157455
only a furrie would ask that

>> No.11157462

>>11157451
I'm not changing anything, I agree with everything you said but the misattribution to normies only.

>>11157455
Depends on what you mean by that. It's not an uncommon fetish, but I'd argue that hiding any sort of obsession disqualifies you from trueNORMIE.

>> No.11157466

>>11157462

Okay, are pedophiles normal?

>> No.11157469

>>11157455
Is it socially acceptable to be a furry?
>>11157466
Is it socially acceptable to be a pedophile?

There's your answer.

>> No.11157470

>>11157466
Same answer, with the obligatory note about attraction to post-pubescent humans being natural.

>> No.11157472

>>11157443
i haven't left my house in 2 years
try again nerd, you are smalltime.

>> No.11157475

>>11157472
You're the only nerd here, nerd.

>> No.11157476

>>11157469

I guess not.

Are sluts normal? I'm not sure a female sleeping around all sorts of men is ever socially acceptable.

>> No.11157478
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11157478

>mfw /jp/ is filled with normies

I thought /jp/'s population was only NEETs and weebs

>> No.11157480

>>11157478

3 years ago, yeah

>> No.11157486

>>11157476
It is in most parts of the world. Sure some normal folk might look down on them but then there's the silent majority that just don't give a fuck and some even consider it attractive knowing that a woman has been served dickings before. It's not comparable with pedophilia.

>> No.11157489

>>11157478
NEETs can be normies too

>> No.11157493

>>11157489

sorry, truNEETs

>> No.11157500

in an hour i need to explain why i don't have a job after a year and why i haven't sent in applications in 6 months

my autismbux are on the line

>> No.11157501

>>11157493
truNEETs are actually more rare than you think

Most of the NEETs around here are between college shit or are looking for work

>> No.11157503

Blacks are truNEET by nature. They're indolent, aggressive, and prone to blaming others for their problems.

You have so much to learn, /jp/.

>> No.11157504

>>11157500
Major depression.

>> No.11157505

>>11157503
The hell are you going on about? Niggers are practically the antithesis of the truNEET way

>> No.11157507

>>11157500
Severe social anxiety, agoraphobia, depression.

>> No.11157513

>>11157505

They only lack intelligence. If they had that, none could compare.

>> No.11157514

I think I'm finally going to stop keeping piss bottles.

>> No.11157516
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>>11157503

>prone to blaming others for their problems.

Probably because no one is the cause of their problems. The universe doesn't work that way. You're just an unremarkable point where conditions converged. You have no agency. Me too.

>> No.11157521

>>11157516
Your mom's vagina is an unremarkable point where my dick meets

>> No.11157520

>>11157516
Something about that argument is fallacious, but I'm not smart enough to pinpoint what.

>> No.11157522

>>11157521
#burned #rekd

>> No.11157526

Cool story, gaylord. Why don't you go tell it to someone who remotely cares.

>> No.11157529
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>>11157520

It's not. It's not even a matter of opinion - it's a pure fact, but people refuse to accept it because it's contrary to their usual way of thinking. Even people who believe it and knowledge its indisputability don't really accept it.

When do you think you have 'agency'? It's when you make a decision. But decisions aren't made by you. They're decided entirely by your past experiences. None of that is in your control, obviously, and so neither are your decisions.

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>> No.11157536

>>11157533
look at this normie pretend to be speshul

>> No.11157537

>>11157533
that picture is incredibly gay and false

>> No.11157538

>>11157533
looks like somebody doesn't know what the word normal means

>> No.11157539

>>11157529
I think there's more to it than that. This might interest you, it's philosophers/logicians/programmers discussing the issue - http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Free_will_%28solution%29

>> No.11157540

>>11157529

Sounds like determinism for dummies.

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>>11157540

I don't care what you call it, but it isn't wrong.

>> No.11157544

>>11157537
it's gay but it's not THAT false

>> No.11157547

>>11157533
Liking peanut butter banana bacon sandwiches isn't normal? Ok.

>> No.11157554

>>11157542

It doesn't mean anything in itself.

>> No.11157559
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>>11157554

Yes it does.

>> No.11157560

>>11157544
Nah. It postulates that all normal people are secretly hiding some ostracizing idiosyncrasy, as if to validate the nerd viewers social withdrawal(only nerds read and post webcomics).

>> No.11157564

>>11157559

No it doesn't. The world keeps spinning.

>> No.11157565

>>11157560
That's an interesting perspective, but I've seen that same sentiment expressed before in more normie-friendly avenues and it doesn't seem to meet much resistance.

>> No.11157570

>>11157560
I don't really understand the point. Oh look, all these people are a little weird on some level, so it's fine to be a total freak?

>> No.11157576

>>11157570
"so it's fine to be a little weird too", I guess. It's not really meant for us.

>> No.11157575
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>>11157564

Yes it does.

>> No.11157579

>>11157570
>>11157576

I think it's also a jab at people who think they are weird and feel alienated by it. Brings weirdness into normality I guess.

>> No.11157580

>>11157576
There are people who couldn't work out things like that on their own?

>> No.11157581

all humans have their nuances and that's what normals refer to as personality
the true outsiders are those that don't participate in society

>> No.11157582

Why does it matter when you last left your house?

NEET is not the same as hikki.

>> No.11157584

>>11157582
Because there shouldn't really be any reason to leave your house if you're a "truNEET". Grocery stores deliver, and you certainly shouldn't have any friends you want to visit.

>> No.11157588

>>11157582
because it shows you're self dependent and have cause to leave your home.
God-chosen NEETs have parents to cook them meals

>> No.11157589

>>11157584

I go outside at night to run because the stars are pretty, the air smells good and I like staying healthy.

>> No.11157590

Please no bullying.

>> No.11157592

>>11157579
Yeah, it also lowers the baseline for "normal". If weird's the new normal, freak can be the new weird.

>> No.11157594

>>11157589
I bought an exercise bike because someone might see me running and laugh at me. It's great, I can exercise while watching shows.

>> No.11157597

>>11157584
> you certainly shouldn't have any friends you want to visit
I don't see what that has to do with having a job or school. Especially for guys who have autismbux to burn.

>> No.11157600

>>11157597
You'll never be truly happy with the NEET life while you rely on relationships as a crutch.

>> No.11157606

>>11157600
A crutch for what?

>> No.11157607

>>11157584
>>11157588
What if someone just likes the outdoors?

NEET doesn't depend on your likes and dislikes.

>> No.11157610

>>11157575
>>11157559
>>11157542

How does the knowledge that quantum mechanics exists play a part in your theory?

>> No.11157614

>>11157607
there's no issue with enjoying the outdoors and secluding oneself nature is a noble life for a recluse

>> No.11157621

>>11157614
There is no nobility involved in being a recluse.

>> No.11157625

>>11157610
because QM is simply a model to provide results. most philosopher and physicists are determinists

>> No.11157629

>>11157621
Napoleon in exile was still Napoleon.

>> No.11157636

>>11157478
>mfw
>my feel when
facepalm
get out newfag

>> No.11157637

>>11157634

no it doesn't

nothing in quantum mechanics contradicts hard determinism

you have no idea what you're talking about

>> No.11157632

>>11157533
Man I eat so much paper

>> No.11157633
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>>11157621

There's nobility in whatever I say. Are you one of those normies who lets society decide for you what is and isn't 'noble'?

>> No.11157634

>>11157625
But it provides space for the possibility of free will.

>> No.11157641

I like going to the park and sitting in the shade.

When the weather is hot there are lots of pretty girls to look at. Yesterday I counted over 50 I wanted to have sex with!

>> No.11157642

>>11157610
Quantum mechanics is a model used to explain physics with mathematics. Schrodinger's cat is a metaphor made to show that the actual interpretation is obviously absurd, and that there is no way it actually represents the workings of the world.

>> No.11157643

>>11157633
The fact alone that you're using the word "noble" means you're trying to conjure up a common cultural concept, you can't reinvent language as you see fit and expect to be understood.

>> No.11157645

You can lure XDD guy into a thread by making any kind of intellectual assertion. The XDD guy becomes easily threatened at the idea of anyone being smarter than it, so it will immediately throw up the first counter-argument that comes to mind.

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>>11157643

You're confused. If your opinions and interests are crowdsourced, this isn't the place for you.

>> No.11157651

>>11157633
You are demonstrating first and foremost that you are unwilling to participate in society. I don't see anything courageous or honourable about that.

>>11157629
Not sure what you are getting at. His being in exile didn't cause him to be noble.

I think you all mean humility instead.

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>>11157651

>You are demonstrating first and foremost that you are unwilling to participate in society.

If you consider this a bad thing, you don't belong here. I'll keep saying this as many ways as you like.

>> No.11157656

>>11157649
It's not fucking crowdsourcing, he's saying that being a recluse is fundamentally incompatible with the concept of nobility to him and you instantly became defensive and went "words mean whatever I want them to".

>> No.11157662

>>11157637
Past events are there yes, but the future event is impossible to predict due to the uncertainty principle. So while determinism is there, the concept of free will may be able to exist.

>> No.11157667

>>11157655
Keep working on your tulpa hard enough and maybe the definition of noble might change in the real world.

>> No.11157669

>recluse is fundamentally incompatible with the concept of nobility

but it's not. how a recluse views himself and how he's viewed by outsiders are independent; my nobility as a NEET is from my being recognized as a person being worthy of distinguish. I didn't chose nobility, you normies imposed it on me

>> No.11157672

>Initially the population grew rapidly, doubling every 55 days. The population reached 620 by day 315, after which the population growth dropped markedly. The last surviving birth was on day 600. This period between day 315 and day 600 saw a breakdown in social structure and in normal social behavior. Among the aberrations in behavior were the following: expulsion of young before weaning was complete, wounding of young, inability of dominant males to maintain the defense of their territory and females, aggressive behavior of females, passivity of non-dominant males with increased attacks on each other which were not defended against. After day 600 the social breakdown continued and the population declined toward extinction. During this period females ceased to reproduce. Their male counterparts withdrew completely, never engaging in courtship or fighting. They ate, drank, slept, and groomed themselves – all solitary pursuits. Sleek, healthy coats and an absence of scars characterized these males. They were dubbed “the beautiful ones”.

It's not her fault, it's Japanese overpopulation.

>> No.11157673

>>11157669
see >>11157667

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>>11157656

>"[My opinion isn't crowdsourced]
>"[I just believe that if your opinion differs from everyone else's, you're wrong]"

>>11157667

>[some miscellaneous insult-flinging]
>["The only valid standpoint is the one the majority believes."]

I think you missed >>>/soc/.

>>11157662

There's nothing that prevents a random number generator from coming up with the same result twice. Or an infinite number of times.

>> No.11157679

The druggie twitter crew is trying super hard in this thread.

>> No.11157681

>>11157667
>>11157673
your entire attack is predicated on that you refuse to accept us as noble, when it's a decision of the collective not the individual. don't speak for the group when chances are -- as a failed normal -- you would have trouble being accepted by your own kind

>> No.11157682

So what are everyone's hopes and dreams for the future? What's the plan when mommy dies?

>> No.11157685

>>11157682

I do what I love, forever. It's a great existence.

>> No.11157686

>>11157662

How would not being able to measure it give us choice?

Even if the workings of nature were FUNDAMENTALLY random, and not just impossible to measure, how would randomness equal free will? Keeping in mind that the distribution is random and that any "magical free will force" would have to break that pattern.

>> No.11157688

>>11157662
Ya, dude it's called compatibilism, it's pretty hip.

>> No.11157690

My mom just sent me a text asking if I'd applied for any jobs yet, what should I do /jp/?

>> No.11157693

>>11157690
Tell her you're a /jp/ philosopher now, everyone in this thread got certified.

>> No.11157695

>>11157690
Tell her you applied for some random government department's 'non-ongoing employment register'.

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11157696

condense your fuckken threads cockbites

even if they get deleted, just sit in there on whichever ghost board you fagmo shitbitches eat your shit on

eat a dick? get fucked eat a dick dicky dick dickity cock wang

friendly tip: kill yourself

>> No.11157697

>>11157693

suddenly mocking the other argumentees, when you've been participating in the same discussion, is a sure sign that your ass is hurt because you lost the argument

>> No.11157701

>>11157697
I went too far in playing devil's advocate and got frustrated because the other side couldn't get past me.

>> No.11157702

>>11157396
Good god, that kid looks like some kind of a goon.

>> No.11157708

>>11157701

>got frustrated because the other side couldn't get past me

'guys i won'

'please believe me'

>> No.11157715

>>11157708
You don't even know what I was arguing for.

>> No.11157720

>>11157715

it's clear

>> No.11157726

>>11157720
See if you can figure it out, I'm going to bed.

>> No.11157730

>>11157726

"You don't even know what 2 + 2 is."

"4"

"See if you can figure it out, I'm going to bed."

Is this what they call trisomy? Now I know why you lost the argument, holy fuck.

>> No.11157740

So... who won?

>> No.11157753

>>11157740
Your mom won
The dick lottery that is

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>>11157319

You can't be tru until you have no social anxiety.

Social anxiety only exists in people who care about what others think of them. If you have social anxiety then you're not tru because on some level that means that you still want to be a normie, otherwise you would be able to do things like squat down and take a shit in the middle of a crowd of normies without feeling any social anxiety.

>> No.11157793

>>11157789
any ataraxiaNEETs here?

>> No.11157805

>>11157621
Tell that to every philosopher before the renaissance.

>> No.11157810

>>11157789

Social anxiety exists because people frighten you. There are bad people out there anon.

>> No.11157815

>>11157810

Just get a gun and a big dog and then don't leave the house. If you hear the dog start barking then that means that there's a possible intruder, so just get your gun and shoot them.

I haven't danger paranoia ever since I got a gun. I feel nice and safe from dangerous normies now.

>> No.11157817

>>11157789
I don't care what others think of me I am just scared that someone will attack me.

>> No.11157819

>>11157815
What kind of dog do you have? I hope it's an Irish Wolfhound.

>> No.11157826

>>11157815
I can't have a gun in this state

>> No.11157836

>>11157826
You could use home-made booby traps like cans on a string to alert you or buckets of your poop that fall on their head when they open the door. And get a bunch of dogs so they'll shred up the normie real nice.

>> No.11157838

>>11157819

I have a boxer. I don't use him for physical protection though since I wouldn't want him to possibly get hurt if he attacked the intruder. His main duty is just to bark really loudly if he sees something suspicious and then that's my signal to grab my rifle and take a shooting position at the upstairs window.

>> No.11157838,1 [INTERNAL] 

I have a German Shepard. He will wreck your shit up. He once attacked my little brother. My little brother has blood pouring down his face because my dog ripped a chunk of his forehead off and he still has scars on his arms from the attack even though it happened three years ago.

>> No.11157838,2 [INTERNAL] 

NEET here

I lent my mom my debit card last week so that she could make a deposit for me (the final check from my previous employer).

I was freaking out today when I logged in to my bank account and saw a whole bunch of transactions I didn't make. An expensive purchase at Staples, $15 at the beer store, more at the grocery store. I thought somebody had stolen it.

Then I remembered I had lent my mom my card. She indeed purchased a chair at Staples, a 12-pack at the beer store, etc.

I was thinking, "it must have been an accident, she grabbed my card instead of hers." But you have to input a PIN number when using a debit card right? She should have known that it was mine at that point. Maybe she got flustered when she grabbed the wrong card and didn't want to tell the cashier, "whoops, please use this other card instead"? But she hasn't told me anything yet. Could she really be trying to steal money?

>> No.11157838,3 [INTERNAL] 

>>11157838,2
Just ask your mom about it. Even if she did mean to use it, there's nothing wrong with lending your mother a little money, right?

>> No.11157838,4 [INTERNAL] 

>>11157838,3
I will.

>> No.11157838,5 [INTERNAL] 

"I have a German Shepard."
- Crazy Anon posting on-topic otaku culture content

>> No.11157838,6 [INTERNAL] 

>>11157838,2
>>11157838,3
I forgot, you can use debit cards as credit and not punch in the PIN, right? Maybe that's what happened.

>> No.11157838,7 [INTERNAL] 

>>11157838,6
I never have to enter my PIN when I use my debit card...

>> No.11157838,8 [INTERNAL] 

So this NEET thread ran for 3+ hours according to post times?
Were other threads/anime screencap spam being deleted during this time?

>> No.11157838,9 [INTERNAL] 

>>11157838,8
It's best to just stop trying to understand the janiturd's warped mind. Nice dubs, by the way.

>> No.11157838,10 [INTERNAL] 

>>11157838,5
You making fun of my dog? He will destroy you.

>> No.11157838,11 [INTERNAL] 

>>11157838,2
>>11157838,3
>>11157838,4
>>11157838,7
I guess it really was just a mistake. Thanks for advice.

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