/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

hey dorks lets talk power levels

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966627
Yama should be on a level to herself. That's basically canon.

But otherwise I approve of S tier and Eirin being at the top of the A tier.

By the way, we all know Suika is hot shit but what about the other Devas of the Mountain?

[Anonymous No.]

Touhou PL are stupid because ZUN never talks about limits, even most Comic book characters have "upper" limits now those can be raised of course depending on writer but the fact of the matter is they have one

Supes can lift a lot but I have yet seen a writer/artist make him lift the weight of a galaxy

Even Batman gets outsmarted even with prep time

but for ZUN he NEVER has even once implied the limit of Remilia's Fate control Flans destruction or Reimu's invulnerablily

all we know from the side stories is that

Yama ≠ Watasuki's
Watasuki's ≠ Yukari
Watasuki's > Reimu
any character > Reimu ( aren't allowed to kill her and she can attempt to try to defeat them as much as she wants )

Although going by Marvels current run on some hero/ines I'd actually put Tewi up higher probability is an extremely retarded OP power no matter what universe and if Scarlet witch is any indication that Tewi can basically do whatever the fuck she wants which would put her on grounds with Yama and Watasuki's

At the same time this is why I believe Touhou powerlevels to be stupid ass hell because anyone could bring up Hina ( who I guess would be an anti thesis to Tewi ) and since neither have that upper limit I explained earlier it shows how shallow these debates can really get.

[Anonymous No.]

The moonrabbits are canonically Goku.

[Anonymous No.]

Reisen is strongest cuz she's my fav 2hu

[Anonymous No.]

Yoshika can eat anything, including Gensokyo. She's the strongest. Thread over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966653
>Touhou PL are stupid

yeah but they can be fun to argue about too, when /jp/ isn't being too uptight

[Anonymous No.]

Begging to be squashed tier. This one is the absolute lowest you can go. No exceptions.

[Anonymous No.]

Eirin usually doesn't get enough credit power level wise and that frustrates me.

She's clearly the strongest magic user in Gensokyo. Her charm that sealed the entire world away from the moon wasn't even her strongest spell, after all. Also she's like a million years old and is the only one capable of producing the Hourai Elixir

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966673
>argue
Powerlevel threads are more prone to shitposting and crossboard-trolling more than anything else. Watch as someone brings up Demonbane and the Flash, then we'll have a real PL party going.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966703
Don't forget Shiki!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966703

Superman could kill any Touhou or other superhero unless they had kryptonite. And also, later on, he wasn't even weak to it any more thanks to having built up a resistance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966716
Superman is weak to magic moron. Do you even /co/?

Anyway everyone uses magic in Gensokyo and any Superman short of Silver Age Superman is going to have his hands full.

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>>10966673

The problem is the incredible lack of evidence for anyone but a handful of characters, and even that is fueled almost entirely by assumptions. The rest is all up to personal bias, favoritism, random fanon crap somebody saw once and swear it actually happened in canon, and just plain old-fashioned shitposting.

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>>10966722

Magic doesn't exist in the Superman universe. There's no way to know if he's 'weak' to it or not.

[Anonymous No.]

Wriggle + Spiderman vs. Remi + Sakuya

who wins /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966730

You might actually be retarded.

Please see a professional.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966730
>Magic doesn't exist in the Superman universe.

Magic definitely exists in the DC multiverse.

How else do you suppose Zatanna's abilities work?

just ask /co/

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966734
sakuya and the fruitbat

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966730
>Magic doesn't exist in the Superman universe
So much for being fanwanking faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966752
*bedwetter

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966734
moonbitch and betwetter

[Anonymous No.]

could any touhou beat hulk

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966757
Hulk would never fight a cute 2hu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966757
suika or yuugi

[Anonymous No.]

Why is flan up there when she was obviously held in a basement at least semi against her will?

EOSD dialogue and spellcard names reveal she is considering suicide because of her situation, if she could easily change it then she obviously wouldn't be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966769
>Why is flan up there when she was obviously held in a basement at least semi against her will?

It says in one of ZUN's books that she's not being forced to stay in the basement. She chooses to stay there because she's a hikki, and if she wanted to leave, no one at the Scarlet Devil Mansion would be able to stop her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966757

Would Koishi's ability work on him? If so, maybe her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966757
Yukari teleports him to random place where he dies.

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>>10966769

>EOSD dialogue and spellcard names reveal she is considering suicide because of her situation

I would genuinely like to see some examples of this because I honest to blubbering god have no idea what the shit you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966653
>≠

why

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966784

Damn that retconning. After beating flan with Marisa, she pretty much admits to having attempted suicide.

http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil:_Marisa%27s_Extra

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966791
Depending on how angry he is, it's basically impossible to find anyplace where the Hulk could die.

The center of a black hole maybe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966791
This made me laugh much harder than it should.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966791
that motherfucking Yukari,

she really piss me off

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966813

Submerse him in magma.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966813

Or just one lightyear away from anything else, with hulk moving at a relative speed of 0.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966823

She can't control the things' inertia.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966806

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you're getting this from Flandre's "I can't die, even if I hang myself. " line.

I don't really know why though. She's just stating it matter of fact-ly.

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>>10966831

It just means that she's so strong that she, herself, could not kill herself - and so obviously no one else can either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966820
I seriously doubt that would kill him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966827

She can manipulate the border of life and death though, I'm going to go out on a limb and say the border of having kinetic energy and not wouldn't be that much of a stretch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966823
Well that might leave him floating around for an awful long time but it wouldn't kill him.

Hulk doesn't need to breath. Not when he's mad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966835
Yuka could, she has the ultimate magic.

Which is so ultimate, ZUN doesn't even know what it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966835

Wh-what does that have to do with that line of discussion?

[Anonymous No.]

>Eirin only A

But she could probably one-shot everyone with the right kind of charm. She's motherfucking Eirin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966757
Kokoro could take away his anger so he couldn't become the hulk.
Then she puts on her dragon mask and breathes fire

[Anonymous No.]

Touhou power discussions are pretty worthless. Pretty much any Touhou worth their weight in salt could insta-kill even the highest level Touhou if it weren't for spellcard rules.

And even then, spellcard rules level everything out. Even someone like Udonge could oneshot Yukari just by changing her brainwaves and making her perma-crazy.

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>>10966890
>Pretty much any Touhou worth their weight in salt could insta-kill even the highest level Touhou if it weren't for spellcard rules.

What about the Oni. Oni are fucking tough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966757
is there a touhou than loses against hulk?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966902
the 9 squad

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966890
Mokou, dearest, pancakes are a breakfast food, not a dessert.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966899
Oni are tough, but not tough when they are so fucking nuts that they can't even put one foot infront of the other without completely breaking down mentally.

That's just for Udonge's case.

Taking other Touhou's abilities into consideration would probably show that they too could really make easy work out of someone.

Remember, this is based on huge exaggerations anyways, as all touhou power discussion tends to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966907
Once again proving that Kaguya is better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966787
>Would Koishi's ability work on him?

Her abilities would prey on his daddy issues and insecurities and whatnot, so yeah, definitely.

Koishi could beat anyone provided they had enough latent mental problems for her to exploit. And lots of /co/ characters have mental problems.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966907
I'd eat it, she is cute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966917

Koishi vs batman would be really fun to watch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966915
shut your whore mouth

Kaguya's plate has pills on it or something, those aren't dessert either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966925
REISEN DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A CAKE!

[Anonymous No.]

Koishi is basically a yellow lantern, isn't she?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966932
Reisen confirmed for worst waifu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966936
She is still the one I'd take.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966936
What if she couldn't afford that cake, anon?

Are you throwing her name in the dirt because she doesn't have the money for a cake? You're cruel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966935

No.

Not, like, at all.

[Anonymous No.]

What is Mokou had super immortality regeneration powers times two? Who could beat her then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966945
She uses her opponents fears against them. Sounds like a yellow lantern to me.

Granted she doesn't materialize those fears as yellow energy constructs, but whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966949

Literally anyone who manages to rip out her heart and shove it down her throat.

Forcing them to eat their own heart is how you kill a Hourai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966952
Can you point to an instance of her using someone's fears against them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966949
Or what if she had penance gaze?

She could make Kaguya experience all of the awful things she'd done to other people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966955
Where is this?

Now I'm interested.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966958
So, the moon rabbits she's killed.

I'm sure Mokou would love the 300 years of her killing anything in her way being brought upon her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966952
>>10966955

What are you niggers even talking about?

Seriously this is what I was talking about before here >>10966724

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966957
I can point to the fact that her power is to prey on her opponent's subconscious. Fears are a part of that.

>>10966955
Dealpool Mokou would grow a new heart pretty damn quickly.

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>>10966964
I don't think Ghost Rider Mokou could use penance gaze on herself.

And besides, she only killed Youkai during her centuries long killing spree, as I recall. And that's a good thing to do. Just as Sanae or Reimu.

[Anonymous No.]

Keine could thoroughly defeat Batman by rewriting his perception of the past so that, in his mind, his parents never died.

I defy anyone to beat Batman more thoroughly than Keine could.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966959

I'm having trouble finding it, it might be in a line of dialogue or an ending, but I do recall

eating a hourai's liver makes you immortal as well

making a hourai eat their own heart removes their immortality

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966969

She manipulates their subconscious, its not solely a matter of fear.

>>10966973

Its stated she destroys whatever happens to cross her path. Its another delightfully vague thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966988
That's kind of scary. It's probably in CiLR or something. Seems like somethng hard to find.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966988
>making a hourai eat their own heart removes their immortality

If that's canon and Mokou knows about it then something gives me the feeling that she's going to eventually kill herself that way.

Perhaps after losing Keine.

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>>10966988

Honestly if it was as simple as that, and Mokou was aware of it, she would've hopped on that chance a while ago.

Or at least she wouldn't be such a downer over being unable to die.

>>10967002

>Perhaps after losing Keine.

Stop that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967002
And in that case let's hope that Yama isn't one of those Buddhists who think that suicide violates the first of the five precepts. I wouldn't want my waifu's karma to be judged too harshly ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967011
It's going to happen d00d

[Anonymous No.]

Marisa isn't B.

you're all full of shit.

die thread die. S4GE

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967018

Get rekt, dipshit.

Even Reisen is more powerful than Marisa.

[Anonymous No.]

what does it say about reimu and ex keine

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967021
Reisen is pretty tough. She was trained by the Watatsukis, deemed to be very talented, and she has cute outfits.

How can you beat that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967021
CROSSBOARDER.

CROSSBOAARRRRDERRR.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966627
This chart puts Mokou to the right of Kaguya, meaning that Mokou is less powerful.

Well that's bullshit, because I like Mokou better, and also she has all sorts of crazy fire powers. What sorts of powers does Kaguya have? She can "manipulate the eternal and the instantaneous." That's bullcrap. Mokou burns shit up, now that's power.

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>>10967011

The words used were "forced to", so I don't think doing it herself would work, or else the whole curse part of the elixir would be trivial. It's probably nearly impossible to get the heart out and eat it before the hourai dies (and regenerates, the heart turning to ash) anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967025
Probably something around the lines that fall into a special category, way above rank S and cannot be fully determined towards the extent of their power.

God damn Shrine Miko is fucking hax. I hate her so much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967031
It's hard to interpret Kaguya's powers.

But from what one can gather, she can make things eternal, i.e: Invulnerable.

She can also react to things instantaneously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967025
That they're unclassifiable or something.

EX-Keine shouldn't be unclassifiable though because she can't actually change reality, just people's knowledge of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967027
Bullshit.

I have been a famous individual on /jp/ for quite a while now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967029
>The words used were "forced to",

In that case she'd probably get someone to force her to eat her own heart.

I wonder if she wouldn't ask Kaguya for help with that.

And I wonder if Kaguya actually would assist Mokou with her suicide.

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>>10967043
>And I wonder if Kaguya actually would assist Mokou with her suicide.

I mean their relationship is a bit more complicated than just that of mortal enemies. And helping Mokou end her curse of immortality would really be more of a friendly act than a cruel one.

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>>10967043
I hate this bitch.

If she's so powerful, why the fuck does she remain a NEET?

If I had her power I could do shit for myself and I would put my NEET life behind me.

Fucking ungrateful cunt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966987
I don't think you know what defy means.

[Anonymous No.]

I even took the time to fix shit picture. everyone should thank me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967052
She doesn't know how to do anything else other than do Princess-y stuff.

You know what a 'pH level' is, right? Well. Kaguya doesn't know what that is even after hanging out with Eirin for a thousand years or so. She's smart in the ways of story-telling and folk-lore, but could you imagine Kaguya working as anything other than a Princess?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967056

Get rekt, gaylord.

Marisa is shit, she should even be bellow Youmu in terms of power.

GET REKT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967054
> : to challenge to do something considered impossible

According to Merriam-Webster I'm right on the money.

[Anonymous No.]

Now I want to see a dramatic and tear jerking doujin about Mokou asking Kaguya to help her die.

It's dramatic see because I really don't think Kaguya would want to actually kill Mokou.

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>>10967031
Kaguya's power is so broken it's on a different level of its own. It has to do with time frames, i.e. eternity and instances. Everything has a time frame. If you will die in the future, Kaguya can just shorten your time frame into an instant to the moment you die, so you die immediately. Afterwards, she can make the moment of your death eternal, so you die eternally, most probably going insane along the way. Coupled with her immortality, she's bullshit like that, truly befitting a Lunarian nobility.

>>10967057
She's probably well-versed in arts, literature, philosophy, those kinds of useless blue-blooded things.

[Anonymous No.]

MARISA IS THE COLOSSAL TITAN

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967078
yeah well Mokou burns you to ashes and then burns the ashes so fuck you

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967078
I never understood why Kaguya drank the hourai elixir when she herself has fucking power over eternity.

That's like Okuu building a nuclear reactor instead of just using herself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967089
Yeah well Mokou is fat so take that.

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>>10967088
You know, Suika works pretty well as a Titan, given that she can GET HUEG and said transformation even involves steam effects.

You know, given that she grows by decreasing her density, isn't her transformation useless since she doesn't hit any harder and she's just a bigger target?

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>>10967092
yeah well Kaguya is short

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967072

As awesome as that would be, I'm pretty sure the speed required to do it would be on the level of yukari gapping the heart into her stomach, or something.

I'm sure Eirin has a drug that can slow the hourai-respawn time, but it's only a couple seconds from the time that it becomes apparent that the body is fucked normally.

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>>10967092
Can hourai immortals even get fat?

I mean, their hair grows (not that that ever made much sense).

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>>10967095
>You know, given that she grows by decreasing her density, isn't her transformation useless since she doesn't hit any harder and she's just a bigger target?

That wouldn't really matter, at that volume she'd basically be incorporeal.

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>>10967100
I'm sure they can still get fat.

Just like how their hair and nails grow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966907
Times of the day should not dictate what you eat.

[Anonymous No.]

Is Mokou even that strong power-level wise? I was always under the impression she was just really fucking stubborn with the immortality to back it up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967124
Of course she is, she has phoenix fire powers. In addition to being unkillable she can shoot fireballs and whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967101

She can decrease her density to increase her volume, then increase the density of the matter in that volume by adding more matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967089
Yeah well Mokou has granny hair. It's probably full of lice as well.
laughing_girls.jpg

In a fair battle, Kaguya can extend the time it take for the fires to reach her into an eternity. In other words, the flames will never reach her.

Mokou's power is child's play in comparison to blessed glorious master race her Highness Kaguya. You literally can't have a fair battle against Kaguya since she's so unfair. If you think about it, she's as much if not even more broken than Yukari.

>>10967090
Maybe she did it for the thrill? The ultimate sin and all that. I imagine it's like those spoiled little girls who shoplift all the time, even though they're filthy rich.

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>>10967128
>phoenix fire powers
Nothing suggests that she has any powers beyond immortality and normal fire magic.

I mean, why obtain phoenix powers if you're already immortal?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967151
>If you think about it, she's as much if not even more broken than Yukari.
Yukari's power is more applicable on a general scale. It's not like she can't just emulate Kaguya's powers by manipulating the border of eternity or whatnot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967154
>I mean, why obtain phoenix powers if you're already immortal?

Double immortality, obviously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967154
cause she dumb

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967165
Well she can't.

Gaps aren't omnipotent you know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967154
>I mean, why obtain phoenix powers if you're already immortal?
Why drink the hourai elixir when it's derived from your power over eternity in the first place?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967173

Yukari was lying in that line.

Last time someone claimed to be omnipotent (christian god) he gets asked for/blamed for everything, and yukari simply does not give enough fucks to be god.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967173
You don't know that.

On the other hand, you can't exactly prove that she can either since she's never done it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967181
Then how come she can only gap to the moon on a full moon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967170
your dumb

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967182
Either way, the fact that she can manipulate life and death is confirmed canon, while Kaguya's never done anything super broken like stretch X to actual eternity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967181
A monotheistic deity is differentiated from pantheistic deities with a capital "G." Please keep this in mind when posting in the future.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967184
those manga aren't actually canon d00d

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967165
This >>10967173 and we don't know the extent of her manipulation. Maybe she can't manipulate intangible concepts? Maybe it has severe limitations (that only Yukari knows about)? Else why would she bow down like a coward to Moonbitch B?

You can say that we don't know the extent of Kaguya's power either, but being a pure-blooded superior ubermensch Lunarian walking God, it's very likely that she's extremely powerful.

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>>10967191
>pantheistic

er, polytheistic

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967195
>Else why would she bow down like a coward to Moonbitch B
Keikaku.
Have to let the titular character of the manga do her thing after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967195
>Maybe she can't manipulate intangible concepts?

Life and death are somewhat intangible concepts themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967201
You can touch the direct effects and causes of life and death.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966627
>hey dorks lets talk power levels
>129 posts and 29 image replies omitted. Click here to view.
that was easy...

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967208
Momiji is a wolf not a dog.

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>>10967195

The same reason she would use gaps to steal sake when she could go gap to wherever it was bottled/being stored.

The same reason she would live in a very modest home when she has the power to overtake any domain she wants, or gap in the pandaemonium fortress from Makai (assuming it's not completely wrecked)

The same reason she would allow a ghost princess that she resurrected to steal the spring to resurrect her own dead body when it was Yukari who made her a ghost princess in the first place.

We're talking about Yukari here.

If you had to play the same game for thousands of years with what equivalates to console commands enabled, it wouldn't take you long to abandon all reason, impose artificial limits for yourself, and try to create conflict that you can watch play out for entertainment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967215
I knew up as a kid with a dog that was part wolf.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967215
That image is a joke, lordo.

[Anonymous No.]

I never got why the manipulation of Flowers was such an OP skill to have.

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>>10967195
>but being a pure-blooded superior ubermensch Lunarian walking God, it's very likely that she's extremely powerful.
And likewise, most of the old characters are also extremely powerful. Like Yukari.

On a side note, Yuka has got to be one of the most powerful characters with one of the most lamest powers ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967220

Were you eaten?

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>>10967219
>If you had to play the same game for thousands of years with what equivalates to console commands enabled, it wouldn't take you long to abandon all reason, impose artificial limits for yourself, and try to create conflict that you can watch play out for entertainment.

That's a nice way of putting it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967230
>>10967225
Yukamind

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967220
Wolf-dog hybrids can be extremely dangerous and I'm pretty sure that they're illegal in most first world countries with exotic animal laws.

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>>10967219
Holy shit, you made me realize that Yukari's powers are EXACTLY like the powers of nobles of Amber/Chaos in the Chronicles of amber series. Need to make a new world based on an existing one? No problem, just distort it and you've got a border around it! Need someone to go between the bordered off world and the other world? No problem, just have them travel between them with you and they'll be able to do it too! Need something special that might not even exist in your world? No problem, just search for it across different world with your cosmic-mindfuck abilities, opening gaps along the way! Reality breaking apart, literally? No problem, just make a new foundation for it!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967225
>>10967230
Her real power comes from "the ultimate magic," which she possesses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967232
Probably the same reason why Kaguya doesn't just instagib Mokou every time she challenges her with some hax application of her power.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967244
>the ultimate magic
Have we ever learned what this actually does?

Or is it just some generic powerlevel boost?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967249
>Have we ever learned what this actually does?

ZUN has as much of an idea as any of us, apparently.

[Anonymous No.]

Given how ridiculously exploitable Keine's power is, I'm surprised she's not higher on the tier list.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967249

DBZ level power boost.

"I can manipulate flowers... and I can blow up everything!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967256
It has limits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967219
>If you had to play the same game for thousands of years with what equivalates to console commands enabled, it wouldn't take you long to abandon all reason, impose artificial limits for yourself, and try to create conflict that you can watch play out for entertainment.
Or we could apply Occam's Razor and assume that those limits are, well, limits and she's just not omnipotent. Her gimmick consists of cleverly using her ability to give off this illusion of omnipotence while masking her own weaknesses and limitations. But when confronted with true omnipotence, she shits herself.

>>10967230
Yes, but they are still primal youkai. Meanwhile the Moon is chock full of gods. Heavenly gods at that too, not one of those smelly impure dirty mud-covered primal gods. And Lunarian nobility such as Kaguya are some of the purest ones, and this purity translate directly into their powers.

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>>10967256
>>10967260

It would be extremely useful in manipulation, for instance if she wants X destroyed, she could get one of the hax-tier 2hus to get near X, then change their perception of history and make them believe that X is evil and their life's goal is to destroy X.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967256
She can't change reality, just people's perception of it.

History is made up of many lies and half-truths. Keine can change what those lies and half-truths are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967256
Technically "manipulating cold" could allow someone to bring everything in the universe to absolute zero.

Doesn't mean the Cirno can actually do it.

Abilities have limitations on them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967090
The whole point was making it (because of curiosity, and because it was a cool display of her powers). She probably drunk it afterwards simply because it was already there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967272
It would be enough to allow her to beat the Flash however.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967279
>Cirno can beat the Flash
Why is this not a thing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967275
This makes more sense, but I like the shoplifting analogy better. It makes Kaguya more of a hedonist, which she really is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967266
>And Lunarian nobility such as Kaguya are some of the purest ones, and this purity translate directly into their powers.
but then, she lived on the earth for so long she got dirtied by its impurities long ago.

one of the reasons lunarians feared earth was that it was impure, and their being there would corrupt them and their purity too, wasn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967266

Occam's razor also suggests that the moonbitches are incredibly weak because we didn't actually get to see them use their claimed power against anything substantial, and that all of their claimed abilities are lies. Characters have lied in dialogue before.

Yukari has actually shown her powers tangibly, and even applying the razor to an extreme degree and saying her resurrection of Yuyuko is a lie, you cannot deny that she fires an asston of bullets, can gap in trains, and can warp between locations, as these are all confirmed tangibly.

Kaguya is one of the easiest S6 bossfights as well, so her "shown power" is quite small.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967288
Well, not really.

Kaguya used her abilities to allow her little patch of land to be completely pure by simply freezing its point of history.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967288
>but then, she lived on the earth for so long she got dirtied by its impurities long ago.
>one of the reasons lunarians feared earth was that it was impure, and their being there would corrupt them and their purity too, wasn't it?
Pretty sure Kaguya's an exception due to hourai immortality.

[Anonymous No.]

Woah, I just started watching Hataraku Maou-sama and it's really fucking good. REALLY fucking good.

Why did no one tell me? You're negligent, /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967293
Yukari gets beaten up by Reisen in SWR.

Does that mean

Reisen > Yukari > Kaguya?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967184
Moonites have set up a special magical defense. Possibly against her specifically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967295
Given that impurities were already there before she arrived, how did she get rid of them?

Can she get rid of them using her powers? Because impurities -> things rot and die, but does Kaguya's powers remove impurities to facilitate eternity, or is it more like an artificial eternity that doesn't remove impurities but simply doesn't let the object degrade any further?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967293

ZUN has stated that the moon-rabbits are canonically on an entirely different level of power from everyone else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967310
So that means she isn't omnipotent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967311
I think it's stated in CiLR that she made things 'pure'.

It actually says that food doesn't rot, vegetation doesn't die, and when a vase is dropped it will not break.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967266
>Yes, but they are still primal youkai. Meanwhile the Moon is chock full of gods. Heavenly gods at that too, not one of those smelly impure dirty mud-covered primal gods
Being a heavenly god means fuck-all in terms of powerlevels, whether you're talking about ZUN-verse or actual Japanese mythology. Some of the most powerful gods might hang out in heaven but that doesn't mean everyone there is OP as fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967317
Either CiLR or something else. Something where Kaguya blabbed on about her life on Earth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967307

Yukari also beats Reisen in SWR.

Depending on how hard the fight is (I assume Normal is canon difficulty for main story, extra for extra bosses), the battle can be implied to be uphill or downhill.

For instance, Marisa beats Cirno in EoSD as a stage 2 boss.

Cirno beats Marisa in GFW, but as an Extra stage boss.

Does this mean they are both more powerful than each other? No, it just means that Cirno can beat Marisa, but it is a very uphill battle for her, while Marisa can quite easily beat Cirno.

Fighting games need storylines, so everyone ends up beating everyone. Besides, didn't Yukari say she was only in the tournament for fun?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967313
So is Yama.

dammit now I need to find those comics of mecha Yama fighting the moonbitches but I don't know where they are

was it bkub who made those comics?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966653
The limits are implicit.

When a character is defeated in the games, either as a player character or as a boss, do you think just it's because they ran out of cards? It's not that hard to come up with decent cards; it's because they can't fight any more, or forfeit the match for some other reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967324
It wasn't a tournament.

It was an investigation.

She's obviously not omnipotent if she can be beaten.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967317
I understand that she makes things eternal, but is it ever explicitly stated that she does this through removing impurities? Or does she just "freeze" things so that the process of degradation won't continue?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967336
What you just said there, pretty much.

She freezes things so that they won't degrade.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967325

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967334

Isn't Reimu supposed to be able to fly outside of reality and attack others while not being able to be attacked? That's as much if not more canonical than the very existance of the moonbitches.

Reimu's a stage 4 IN boss.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967293
True. But what we were shown was how ridiculously advanced the Moon's technology was. I mean, really, an infinitely twisting material with no seams, even at subatomic level? That's some high-tech shit right there. And given how youkai fear the advance of science, I can't imagine how brick-shitting the Moon's science is to them. Yukari _is_ afraid of that technology.

>Kaguya is one of the easiest S6 bossfights as well, so her "shown power" is quite small.
You have to admit the last words are hard, though. And Eirin's last word, which I think is way harder, is powered by Kaguya as well, so there's that. She's also shown that she can instantaneously erase time frames (again, from her last words), although it's difficult to portray her eternity manipulation, since it's a game and all.

>>10967324
And Kaguya (and Mokou) was too powerful to balance. So yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967344

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967345
>Reimu's a stage 4 IN boss.

A Touhou's stage in no way correlates to her power level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967345
Yes. Reimu can fly out of reality and do whatever she wants.

I think we all know that Reimu is just pure hax anyways, it's pretty much a given.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967344
>>10967349
Invoking mechaxanadu is cheating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967347
>And Kaguya (and Mokou) was too powerful to balance. So yeah.
This doesn't even make sense.

If they had to, they could've easily just changed their HP bar into a "motivation meter" they were worried about the whole "invincible" thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967359

The games are the most, if not the only truly canon indication of power.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967361
So Yuyuko is weaker than Kogasa?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966867
Technically, this is only canon in Seihou. If you accept it as canon, you must also accept VIVIT defeating Reimu and Marisa sans spell card rules as canon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967313
>introduce a pair of characters everybody hates
>make it canon that they're the most powerful characters in the cast

Oh ZUN, you card.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967326
>When a character is defeated in the games, either as a player character or as a boss, do you think just it's because they ran out of cards?

Yes, it's explicitly stated in the spellcard rules.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967360
they're not invincible. they just resurrect after they die. so, if they're just beaten up, but not killed then they play by the same rules as everyone else.

[Anonymous No.]

moonbitches fear the Yama

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967367

>Canon

Well, "canon" also says Reimu does not need to follow reality's rules.

Moonbitches live in reality. Checkmate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967367
You got your greentext backwards. People hate them because they're powerful, not the other way around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967371
Post the one where Mechaxanadu dies

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967361
>The games are the most, if not the only truly canon indication of power.
They might give a very rough outline of powerlevels, but they're hardly useful, given how everything runs on spellcard rules from TH6 and on, which are explicitly designed to even the odds between Eldritch-tier characters and ⑨s.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966973
Way back in the day, she murdered Iwakasa to obtain the Hourai Elixir.

She even has a card named after that murder.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967377
Well, it's more like

>moonbitches beat a bunch of top-tier characters
>b-b-b-ut X character could beat them right? Or Y just wasn't fighting seriously!
>nope they're god-tier deal with it

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967390
People complain all the time about the Watatsukis yet they turn a blind eye to Tenshi beating them up after pulling a 'Wow I wasn't even trying I guess I should try now oh look I beat everyone'.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966988
Only the liver part is true, because the Hourai Elixir is in the liver. But tearing that out won't stop he Hourai victim from living on.

Hourai victims are true immortals. They can't be kept dead by any means. They are infused with concentrated eternity, and death is no longer a part of their existence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967374
Canon also dictates that Reimu defeated a god who created and ruled her own dimension. Before spellcard rules.
inb4 everything TH1-5 weren't canon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967383
>You whippersnappers and your fancy Shinto gods and love-colored magic. Why, back in my day, you had to kill someone you know to gain this kind of power.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967380
it's here >>10967349

and as you can see, mechaxanadu cannot die

[Anonymous No.]

Things that are "canon":

*Watatsukis exist, can summon the power of any god

*Reimu ignores the very laws of reality

*Yuuka is even more powerful than that, because of her "ultimate" magic.

Ultimate: "the best or most extreme of its kind"
-Merriam webster

So yuuka's magic is "The best."

There is no recourse against this, because no matter what power is brought up, Yuuka's is better. Someone has literal omnipotence? Yuuka has that +1, because "ultimate" is used as an adjective in a canon work.


This is why I prefer to stick to game canon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967400
What if Yuuka fought Fiamma of the Right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967259
She already blew up everything, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967400
>Watatsukis exist, can summon the power of any god
Reimu can also do this, she's just too lazy to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967400
If you take something at face value, of course it'll sound great.

Like if you took Keine's power at face value, she could just eat history and oops there goes Yuuka's ultimate power since the history of where she got it never existed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967400
Yeah well, Alice's grimoire canonically contains the ultimate magic. Grimoire of Alice > Yuuka.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967407

Oh, so now we have two ultimates. Non-game canon just keeps getting better and BETTER.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967395
Or Komachi. Or Eiki. Or Suika. And I assume Kokoro pulled this off as well.

>>10967405
But when she tried to do so against Yorihime she still lost anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967407
>Yeah well, Alice's grimoire canonically contains the ultimate magic.

Does it? I just thought that it was sealed because Alice is afraid of being defeated when she's at full power, so she never fights at full power.

If she had the ultimate magic she wouldn't really need to worry about losing, would she?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967244
But she has been shown to be significantly weaker since.

In TH04, she's a stage 6 boss. She gained the ultimate magic in TH05, and reappeared in TH09 as a normal boss, with much lighter patterns than she had in TH04 even accounting for the difference in gameplay. Also, she hasn't used Master Spark in Touhou since TH04.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967424
Stages don't correlate to power level.

Otherwise Kogasa > Yuyuko and Reisen > Reimu

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967421
because she wasn't trained in it and lacked experience. given enough rigorous training reimu could beat moonbitches up with one hand.

[Anonymous No.]

Nitori can control water.

Therefore she can make everyone's heads asplode.

Therefore she is the strongest 2hu.

Your move.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967424

Game canon actually makes sense, see?

People were trying to kill each other in 01-05 because there was a legitimate demon world threat, and so they went all-out. Reimu kills shinki, and Gensokyo later switches to the spellcard system in order to prevent needless deaths. After this, lethal magics like Yuuka's "ultimate magic" are banned and she has to use spellcards like everyone else.

[Anonymous No.]

yukari is omnipotent

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967431
Reimu blatantly doesn't kill Shinki.
Shinki showed up in the ending and became the first boss to have a tea party with Reimu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967431
Yuuka was also substantially weaker in Kioh Gyoku, where no such rule was in place.

Maybe Seihou machines are stronger than Touhou characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967429
I don't recall Nitori having actual magical powers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967422
>究極の魔法を記した本を手にいれたのよ。
Of course it's the words of a little girl, so believe what you want.

>Alice is afraid of being defeated when she's at full power, so she never fights at full power.
Alice is too cute! I wanna hug Alice and do things to her!

[Anonymous No.]

2hu powerlevel discussions in a nutshell:

I like Rumia.

Argument:

Rumia has power over darkness, therefore she can instantly destroy all light in the universe.
Since matter is just another form of energy, she can destroy all matter as well.
This makes her the strongest Touhou because in the event of a fight she would just erase all of existence in an instant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967439
The ability to manipulate Water according to her MoF profile.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967446
But Rumia's powers in particular are bounded by a seal.

Admittedly, addressing specifics instead of the form as a whole isn't perfect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967446
Rumia is canonically unable to see in her own sphere of darkness.

What a useless power.

I'm sure the only humans she ever manages to eat are unsupervised toddlers or the elderly.

[Anonymous No.]

Couldn't the yama just sentence anyone to "An eternity in hell without powers" and win?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967454
Where is my Rumia toddlercon/eldercon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967438
Doesn't VIVIT destroy reality or something like that in Seihou 1?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967459
After they died maybe. She might not actually be able to kill them herself.

Also the Buddhist hells aren't actually eternal abodes for the damned, just temporary ones. Like the Buddhist heavens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967451
>But Rumia's powers in particular are bounded by a seal.

Not this shit again

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967184
The gaps aren't actually directly part of her power. Yukari's true form is that many-eyed being on the other side of those gaps.

Her body doesn't extend to the moon. Even when she teleported there, it was not by gapping, but by manipulating the border between real and fake on a reflection of the moon..

The part about her true form being in the gaps isn't explicit canon, but the part about it being the boundary of real and fake instead of a normal gap is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967459
mortals maybe. gods like kanako and especially shinki are not only outside her jurisdiction, some may even be above her in terms of power.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967474
Actually no. Shinto gods can be killed and go to the underworld. Remember what happened to Izanami?

Buddhist deities > Shinto deities

The Yama is always on top.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967422
>>10967447
Also, having the grimoire with the ultimate magic is not the same as having the ultimate magic. For all we know, the magic inside could be Yuuka's magic, and Alice hasn't had the time to learn it yet.

>>10967459
If we're talking about Eiki, no, she's too much of a goody two-shoes for that. She won't sentence anyone to anything not befitting their sins. What >>10967466 said anyway. Heaven and Hell are just one of the realms that you'll be reborn into.

>>10967474
I don't know how it works for them since Kanako's a Shinto god, but Buddhist deities are susceptible to death and reincarnation as well, putting them under the Enma's rule. This depends on how Heaven, Hell, the Six Realms, etc work in Touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966627
why is yuka s?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967492
because she has the ultimate magic dorkmaster

do you even Touhou

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967462
In Shuusou Gyoku, VIVIT defeated a number of war machines, entered a strange dimension based on Saboten energy and filled with floating clocks and the occasional game code leak, and defeated...whatever was going on with the human Vivit, upon whom VIVIT was modeled.

Some unspecified time later, Erich sent her to find the Holy Grail. In looking for it, she opened a hole in dimensions somehow, crossed into Gensokyo, and defeated Reimu and Marisa. Not finding the Grail in Gensokyo, she moved on.

In Samidare's extra stage, she was shown to still be looking for the Grail. At that time, both she and Gates were defeated by the SMD-31-FX "Gesshoku" aircraft, piloted by the self-aware android C-23.

VIVIT was also involved in the vaguely-defined war surrounding the floating castle and the vampire Muse. Whether this was before, between, or after her cross-dimensional Grail crusades is unknown.

[Anonymous No.]

Can mariso kill servents?

[Anonymous No.]

Cirno is the strongest

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967494
Then why isn't Alice S, turboniggermeister?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967484
>>10967486
ok, so kanako and suwako are under shiki.

shinki's still not though, since she's more like an outsider creator-level god. i wonder if this is why she got retconned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967503
Every 2hu can kill servants

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967512
>shinki's still not though
Depends if she follow the cosmic law of Buddhism or not, actually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967512
She was never explicitly retconned.

She's never been relevant since TH05, since she lives in Makai and stays there all the time, and Esoterica is far enough out in the sticks of Makai that she wouldn't be able to be alerted and get there (or send someone there) by the time the Palanquin Ship left with Byakuren on it

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967520
if she can create an universe, she can create her own version of a yama in her world if she needs one.

that's like wondering if the christian god follows the law of buddhism. completely unrelated.

[Anonymous No.]

Finish this sentence.

Gandalf is to Reimu as Tom Bombadil is to ____.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967512
According to Buddhist cosmology there are no creator gods. According to Buddha himself everything always was and always will be.

More important than knowing that though is not thinking too hard about it. Buddha's "noble silence" and all that.

Also, even if Buddhist deities can die as well I'm pretty confident that Yama would trump just about any Shinto deity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967530
>She's never been relevant since TH05, since she lives in Makai and stays there all the time
Better than Genji and Mima, who still live on the shrine but are never actually seen there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967534
Yukari

Both are super powerful but they're too busy being useless or trolling people to do anything important.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967400
kirby can suck yuka and beat her with her own power

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967528
The Abrahamic God isn't just the Christian God.

Also you've got to capitalize God when referring to a monotheistic deity.

Also it's important to note that the Abrahamic deity isn't actually a "he" as "he" is explicitly believed to be a bodiless, genderless spirit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10966907

Why is Mokou making pancakes anyways?

Wouldn't chicken be more fitting because she threatened to turn Aya into yakitori?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967548
It's fairly strange... Didn't anyone else have this genius idea of constructing monotheistic God? Who did it first? Jews or Muslims?

In China there would be Pangu but relating those two would be a very far fetched idea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967530
At least her attack is still relevant...

I imagine she's BFFs with Hijirin anyway, with her teaching Hijirin Devil's Recitation and stuff. I bet they still write to each other from time to time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967558
>Who did it first? Jews or Muslims?
Are you seriously asking this? I thought it was fairly common knowledge that it goes Judaism -> Christianity -> Islam chronologically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967546
sucking yuka off won't give him any special powers.

and yuka's main power is plant manipulation anyway, so that's what he'd get from her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967563
Are you sure? Or serious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967558
Islam didn't come around until the 6th century, Judaism was around a long ass time before that.

Also the earliest Jews weren't strict monotheists, they were actually henotheists. Meaning that they recognized multiple deities but theirs was the best.

All of the earliest religions were polytheistic, and in some cases monotheism grew out of that, as people's notions of spirituality and cosmology changed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967400
Mistake: Yuuka's magic is the ultimate "magic", not the ultimate "power".
Magic, as defined by Touhou, is specifically an art used by magicians, which Yuuka only began using at all at the end of Mystic Square.

Reimu's power is not magic. It's divine power, and her inherent power. She got upset at Yumemi for making this exact mistake.

Most of Yuuka's power is not magic. Anything she used prior to the end of Mystic Square's main game and quite a bit of what she used afterward is confirmed to be not magic, but "youkai power".

What, exactly, Yuuka's "ultimate magic" is is unknown. But it's not something that's been shown, and it's not inherently a "win" card even if it is the most powerful magic. After all, she already had what and might be the most directly powerful attack in the series, the Master Spark, as seen in LLS stage 5, and it could still be avoided and thus effectively nullified without trouble.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967558
didn't the ancient egyptians tried that at one time too?

as far as i remember one pharaoh tried to abolish all the gods and replace them with one.

"The Egyptians did have an aberrant period of some form of monotheism during the New Kingdom, in which the pharaoh Akhenaten abolished the official worship of other gods in favor of the sun-disk Aten. This is often seen as the first instance of true monotheism in history, although the details of Atenist theology are still unclear. "

[Anonymous No.]

It's a known fact that Touhous are extremely weak to penis-based attacks. This is why the Human Village still stands against the youkai; only the humans have penises.

If you're ever beset by a Touhou, just whip out your /jp/enis. She'll surely relent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967564
it is actually her only ability

pc98 isn't cannon

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967558
Zoroastrianism had a single god independently of Judaism. In fact, Judaism may have copied it off of Zoroastrianism to some extent.

Incidentally, Hinduism (and by extension Buddhism) and Zoroastrianism both refer to supernatural beings called the Devas and Asuras. However, in Hinduism and Buddhism, the Devas are good and the Asuras are evil, whereas in Zoroastrianism it is the other way around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967561
Oh, by the way, her attack and wings also had a cameo in Samidare.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967575
ZUN says her ultimate magic is the magic of "youkai moe~"

[Anonymous No.]

I just came across something while perusing the wiki.

>Most magical beings can use only the innate magical power that they were born with, but magicians can develop any power they wish after studying and analyzing it.

Pretty sure this can't be true, given that the fact that everybody in Gensokyo can firely brightly colored bullets regardless of what their inherent ability is, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967575
>Upset that people mix up divine and magic power
So Reimu is a 3.5e sperglodyte? Worst 2hu ever

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967590
Literal moe~
"Moe" means "blooming". She's a flower youkai, so blooming is in her nature, even if what would normally be considered "moe~" is not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967594
>given that the fact that everybody in Gensokyo can firely brightly colored bullets regardless of what their inherent ability is, right?

Remember that there are tons of normal people in Gensokyo that have no powers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967583
>Zoroastrianism had a single god independently of Judaism.

Zoroastrians aren't monotheistic dammit. They have two gods, not one.

>In fact, Judaism may have copied it off of Zoroastrianism to some extent.

According to this really thick biblical dictionary I read by this one Catholic bible scholar, the Jewish notion of the devil may have been influenced by Zoroastrianism during the Babylonian exile.

See because the devil never really shows up in the Hebrew Bible. Just in three separate instances. Or five, depending on who you ask, it can be kind of vague at times.

Anyway all of those times are from post-exilic Biblical writings.

Also it's important to note that in some of those instances, like with the book of Job, the devil is not really an adversary of God. Rather it is implicit to the text that Satan is a member of the celestial court whose purpose is to test the faith of humans. Because virtue untested is meaningless.

Oh and the snake from the creation story was not identified with Satan until much later.

I'm a bit foggy about some of this stuff by the way so don't take anything I'm saying too seriously. Not until I've completed my degree in religious studies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967598
>>10967599
marisa was a plain human right? she learned how to fly and cast magic

why can't a youkai learn magic like a lowly human?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967563
That would mean Muslims were Jews all along.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967605
Yes. they are wrong, along with many others

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967605
yeah, just like christians. everyone's a jew.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967583
But can Angra Mainyu kill 2hus?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967606
They can. "Youkai moe~" isn't directly related to her ultimate magic, except insofar as that ZUN is sure that it's "something moe~."
Actually, that's exactly what happened in Yuuka's ending in Mystic Square. She started learning magic. She must have really taken a shine to it, since she obtained the alleged "ultimate magic" in her Mystic Square Extra Stage ending.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967605
Mohammed claimed to be the last prophet whom Gold instructed to restore the true faith that had been distorted by centuries of Judaism and Christianity. The prophet Isa (Jesus) is also important in Islam but none are as important as the prophet Mohammed.
But yes, Islam is supposed to be a continuation of the Abrahamic religions that went before it. An update/correction patch if you will.
There’s been religions based on Islam too in the same way, check out Babism and Baha'I that come from Iranian Shi'a Islam.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967627
it couldn't even kill servants. it was the most useless summon ever, its only purpose was to corrupt the grail.

now that i think about it, since its existence corrupts things, it'd be extra effective against moonbitches.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967600
>Not until I've completed my degree in religious studies.
What's it like studying one of the lowest paying majors in the world?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967639
>What's it like studying one of the lowest paying majors in the world?

Good thing I'm not in it for the capital.

Like most of you /jp/ I'm happy enough with a bed, food, and an internet connection.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967599
I was more referring to everyone we see in the games, who all have some sort of supernatural ability.

Given that Rumia's bullets aren't made of darkness, is every youkai in the games an exception to the "magical beings can only use their innate magical power" rule?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967612
>>10967620
>>10967635
Today is truly good to be a communist. Though it was founded by a man who was born... Into a Jewish family. fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967643
How’s the coverage of religions east of Iran in your studies?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967635
And it's important to note that, while misguided, Muslims do believe that "the other believers of the book" hold onto some semblance of the truth, but not the whole truth as revealed to Muhammad.

The Koran is really very explicit in saying that Muslims, Jews, and Christians should all get along.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10967651
Of course in practice the book of the people term is often more pejorative with Christians and Jews being tolerated but not as 1st class citizens.
It depended on the ruler, time and place on how Christians and Jews were effectively treated.

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>>10967647
Not too great at the moment but given my interest in Eastern religions I tend to look into it on my own. I have spoken with a Hindu and Buddhist theologian at a nearby university but I haven't had the chance to study under them because they work at a private school I can't afford. Not until grad school at least.

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>>10967643
But which religion has the highest powerlevels?

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>>10967658
Figures, our attention usually stops at the cultural Iranian-Indian overlap.
Indian religious history and theology seems like something you would reserve a lot of time for though because goddamn it’s huge.
Chinese folk religion seems severely understudied.

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>>10967662
Whichever one is closest to the truth. Whatever the truth is. And they all claim to have it so take your pick.

Luckily all major religions are inclusivistic, to varying degrees. Islam and Christianity a little less so but overall they're still inclusivistic.

Inclusivism meaning the belief that those outside of your belief circle aren't automatically doomed to hell/having bad karma. Exclusivism is generally a fringe thing.

Anyway if you want to talk numbers Roman Catholicism wins, what with having over a million adherents.

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>>10967665
>Chinese folk religion seems severely understudied.

Definitely.

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>>10967666
>Anyway if you want to talk numbers Roman Catholicism wins, what with having over a million adherents.

er, a billion I mean

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>>10967669
Can you share some of your resources? I’d like to do a bit of reading and I imagine a religious studies student knows about some good repositories.

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>>10966627

Suika, Yukari and Shikieiki should be on a tier higher than Yuuka and Flandre.

Also, Kaguya and Mokou should be on Flandre's tier.

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>>10967674
Sorry man off the top of my head I really can't think of the names of any great books. To be honest I've not been pursuing this field of study for too long, for years my first worthless major was Anthropology.

Forgive me, I've failed you.

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>>10967676
But Yuka has the ultimate magic.

>Also, Kaguya and Mokou should be on Flandre's tier.

Being unkillable doesn't really correlate with having high firepower.

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>>10967681
Then God can smite you for all I care, b-baka

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>>10967554
>Wouldn't [something she's memetically associated with] be better since she [mentioned it once in the passing in a random sentence]?

No.

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>>10967514
Alice is just talk.

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Remilia's power is to manipulate fate, right? If she could consciously use it, she'd be the most OP simply by rewriting any event to work in her favor, wouldn't she?

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>>10967712
Nuh uh. Sanae's ability is to create miracles. So even if Remilia makes it so she's destined to lose, Sanae will still miraculously win anyway.

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>>10967712
Yukari can manipulate the borders of her power, Koishi can make her subconciously etc.

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>>10967719
But for her to make any big miracles, she needs days of uninterrupted chanting/prep. Remilia could have Sakuya stop time a minute before Sanae is done, break her concentration, and make her do the whole thing over and over again in a loop.

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Then how do you describe Sariel`s Power Level?

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>>10967726
>she needs days of uninterrupted chanting/prep

Sanae is our Batman.

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>>10967726
And how do you know Remilia's power doesn't take years to use? This is why Touhou powerlevel discussions are so pointless.

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>>10967732
I like this.

>Which 2hu can defeat Sanae with prep time?

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>>10967726
Can't she just create a miracle that allows her to create miracles without long ass chanting and prep time

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>>10967732
this is appropriate since batman also fucks around with many different women

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>>10967072

I remember reading a doujin exactly like that though it was Keine instead of Kaguya.

I didn't care for it much, little too heavy on the forced drama.

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>314 replies and 45 posts omitted.

my god just fucking kill yourselves

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>>10967720
Gaps aren't omnipotent.

We went over this.

Yukari can't just pull a 'Oh, I gapped your powers so they no longer work.'

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>>10967644
Her patterns are named things like "Night Sign: Night Bird".

Her brightly colored bullets are made out of darkness. Bright darkness.

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>>10968958

Gaps aren't omnipotent, borders might be.

She can clearly manipulate the border of life and death, and open portals to alternate realms.

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>>10970078
And yet, to reach the moon she had to wait for the right day, right time, and then start moving through the moon oceans, in the right order.

Yukari is pretty far from omnipotence.

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The power levels thing is complicated because a lot of touhous are magicians (even the ones not explicitly called like this). Eirin has a pretty half-assed special ability, but she probably can kill you with her 1st level spells.

It's also very hard to take TH1-5 seriously. I think it's better to think on them like "Mima trains a new Hakurei miko (and an apprentice) with the help of some old friends."

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>>10967402
why is there a cock near his eye?

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Can Shiki kill Yukari or would she just manipulate the border between Shiki being able to kill her and not being able to kill her?