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If you stay alive for just 30 more years then your consciousness can be transferred into an avatar and you will you be able to live inside of a virtual Gensokyo.

>http://2045.com/

Please stay alive, /jp/. It won't be long.

>> No.10937625

But it's hard to...

>> No.10937628

LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL
XDDDDDDDD WE ARE GOING TO LE EPIK GENSOKYO XDDDDDD WITH OUR #WAIFUS HAHAHA XDXD OP SMOKES 2 MUCH W33D LEL xD

>> No.10937633

>>10937628
that was totally uncalled for man

>> No.10937639

Artificial brains by 2035, robotic bodies by 2025...

I don't see that happening. This seems as much a scam as that Mars One thing.

>> No.10937641

>>10937628
Man can you please not type in all-caps? It's kidna rude...

>> No.10937642

I'll be 51 in 2045... way too old for gensokyo, unless I want to be a friendly old farmer...

>> No.10937652
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>2015 - 2020
>A robotic copy of a human body remotely controlled via BCI

Doesn't the cutting edge of robotics currently look like this though? That's only a little over 7 years away for the time limit on the first goal and we still got these primitive things.

>> No.10937656

>>10937639
Yeah. It's definitely way too early. If not for technological reasons, then ethical.

>> No.10937660

>>10937656

What ethical reasons are there?

>> No.10937663

Even if it was true, I'd still be a 51 year old fat guy. How could I frolic with Cirno whilst still knowing deep down I'm just a fat dweeb?

>> No.10937666

>>10937628
Please stop.

>> No.10937668

>>10937652
Technology advances fast. The modern smartphone didn't even exist 7 years ago and look at them now.

>> No.10937674

>>10937639
A full brain simulation is only years away.

http://www.humanbrainproject.eu/

>> No.10937672

>>10937663

You must endure the painful reality, so that you don''t succumb to their pleasure.

Then, and only then, can you transform into a Touhou.

>> No.10937673

With futurists and transhumanists, you will only get the most optimistic projections. Affordability, legislation and acceptance, global sources of strife and religion that may set it back decades as well as other likely or unforeseen delays are nonchalantly brushed under the rug. Take all of this shit with a very big chunk of salt.

>> No.10937677

>>10937663

>How could I frolic with Cirno whilst still knowing deep down I'm just a fat dweeb

You wouldn't be fat though. They would probably just burn your body up after transferring your consciousness so it's hardly fat. More like a pile of ash in the bottom of disposal unit.

>> No.10937685

>>10937673
The antitechnology Luddite movement will grow increasingly vocal and possibly resort to violence as these people become enraged over the emergence of new technologies that threaten traditional attitudes regarding the nature of human life (radical life extension, genetic engineering, cybernetics) and the supremacy of mankind (artificial intelligence). Though the Luddites might, at best, succeed in delaying the Singularity, the march of technology is irresistible and they will inevitably fail in keeping the world frozen at a fixed level of development.

>> No.10937687

>>10937673
BTW they thought we'd have flying cars and a whole team of very intelligent robo maids doing our bidding in every house when the 80's came around. Look how well that projection came out.

>> No.10937694

>>10937685
You forgot an even more important point. Who says YOU will experience it? You may just be cemented as the permanent underclass to superhuman elite overlords. You honestly think with society's current trends the elite will not jump at the chance to further boost their power base?

>> No.10937697

There's no hope. Too many of these people are Europeans and their societies are about to collapse.

Sweden is currently collapsing as we speak. Muslims going insane, riots all over the country, etc. Won't be long until Sweden descends into hell on earth and then the rest of Europe will fall along with it since they've invited the foreign menace into their lands as well.

The last bastion of science will be the U.S and we will be surrounded by Muslims that would NEVER support any kind of advancement like this.

>> No.10937698

>>10937656

No, just technological reasons. A robotic human body within 7 years is impossible, and 'remote control' via BCI is laughable.

They couldn't do this if they had 500 clones of Einstein working 16-hour days.

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>>10937687
You mean you don't have a kawaii Roomba-chan?

>> No.10937700

>>10937694
As far as the elite are concerned, we're overpopulated in the sense that they'd rather have more of those resources for themselves instead of feeding working class mouths. Wouldn't be surprised if they tried to intentionally wipe out a decent chunk with their newfound powers.

>> No.10937702

>>10937668
Technology doesn't advance fast. The internet is already wreaking massive havoc in the lower socio-economic layers of the first world because uneducated and uninterested parents rely on the methods of their own parents and wonder why they don't seem to work.

>> No.10937706

>>10937699
Nope. Roomba and iRobot inc. wasn't even conceived in the 80's.

>> No.10937711
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>>10937699
My pets keep breaking mine.

>> No.10937709

>>10937685
>artificial intelligence
The old AI hype died decades ago.

>> No.10937716

>>10937702
It kind of does? Supercomputers have been doubling in power every year since they were invented.

>> No.10937727

>>10937716
Can you afford a Cray X1 or whatever? Even if you had the cash, do you have the connections to do so without the threat to national security bullshit excuses coming to stop you from acquiring top end tech? You can bet there'll be alot more red tape along with cost constraints when superhuman avatar transfers viable. Well heeled and connected elites only. Sorry.

>> No.10937730
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>transferring minds of man into machines
its here!!!!

>> No.10937732

>>10937716
Supercomputers rely on parallelization. As you may have noticed, even home computers have become multicored. All calculation can't be distributed just like that.

>> No.10937742

>>10937732
They haven't always relied on that, when one technology reaches it's limits a new one is invented.

>> No.10937743

This explains a lot in case you're interested.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_artificial_intelligence

>> No.10937739

Can't we just write some malware to install Plan 9 on everyone's computers and create the world's largest grid computing network?

Though I don't like the idea of "the internet" controlling my virtual reality. I read something about a movie where the internet grows sentient a few days ago. It was probably a silly movie but it's a scary idea. I don't want lolcats and dickgirls taking over my e-home.

>> No.10937746

I wonder how much space a human mind takes up.

>> No.10937747

Have computers solved chess yet?

>> No.10937752

>>10937742
Well, please tell Dr. Stallman to get back to work and start revolutionarizing the 60-year-old theories behind the current technologies.

>> No.10937755

>>10937746
I think it'd take a lot of storage space for all our memories, but we don't really need to access them fast so they could stay on magnetic tape or mechanical hard drives.

As for our short-term memories, probably not a lot. I estimate that I have about 5 megabytes of stuff in my conscious and preconscious mind at this very moment, including sounds and image data.
I am not a clever man.

>> No.10937759

>>10937746
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlUK69Wsk6g

>> No.10937760

>>10937742
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_computer

Hurry up, quantum devs.

>> No.10937763

>>10937747
Yeah. Human grandmasters can't beat chess machines anymore.

I'm still waiting for Lilim Darkness to make a NTR game where Kasparov loses a game to a chess computer and his wife runs away with it because his puny grandmaster skills can't satisfy her anymore. They could call it Deep Blue.

>> No.10937770

>>10937760
Do the effects of quantum entanglement take place instantaneously? Can they work at long distances?

>> No.10937771

>>10937687
We already do have flying cars. You just can't go buy one right now.

>> No.10937773

>>10937771
Fucking feminists.

>> No.10937775

>>10937668
>The modern smartphone didn't even exist 7 years ago
Haha. Coincidentally, my modern smartphone is 7 years old.

>> No.10937777

>>10937771
In the 80's they were still a pipedream and the ones we have now still aren't very practical. Wanting an affordable, easy to use and safe VTOL is still a pipedream...

>> No.10937778
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>>10937687
But we do have robo maids. You can even have sex with them!

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>>10937777
>Wanting an affordable, easy to use and safe VTOL is still a pipedream...

>> No.10937785

>>10937668
Please do not mistake technological advancement with duct-taping together a bunch of pre-existing technology.

>> No.10937783

>>10937759
This guy's a huge nerd. Thanks though.

>> No.10937788
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>>10937778
I-I don't want to picture what getting it on with a roomba would be like... But that prediction was for the 80's, not now. That might have not been written as clearly I guess.

>> No.10937789

>>10937621
Sounds great, til the power goes out.

>> No.10937791

I can't wait for this shit to come so I don't have to deal either with idiots like you or normieshit invading my personal space. Hell, maybe the outside will be great to walk in, with all the normies stuck in their homes doing their shit and the wannabe normies trying to act all tuff by defending a shitty medium that wasn't even made for them.

>> No.10937793

I remember reading a 1950s Popular Mechanics article about what computers would be like 50 years in the future. They seemed to envision that every house would have "a computer" and it would handle cooking, filing taxes, making telephone calls, etc.

In a rather roundabout way, they were pretty spot-on.

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>>10937784
... You think a helo like that is cheap to buy, insure and operate? Flying one of those isn't something you learn in a month either and hiring a pilot isn't cheap either. If you're Donald Trump or someone like that, 10/10 I jelly.

>> No.10937796

>>10937794
Please do not use the crossboard feature.

>> No.10937797
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10937797

May Club when?

>> No.10937803

>>10937794
My dad learned to fly a helicopter in a day and it only cost him like $80.

You don't know what you're talking about. My dad is a helicopter expert now and you're not.

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>>10937803
http://www.refinedguy.com/2012/08/02/11-of-the-most-expensive-private-helicopters-money-can-buy/

Reverse image search that helicopter and this is one of the first things that comes out. My sides good sir.

>> No.10937808
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Some day...

>> No.10937809

Don't worry guys, we'll figure out how to manipulate the Higgs field soon enough. Then we'll have bikes that can fly through the air, and passenger airliners that can move in every direction with very little thrust.

>> No.10937811

>>10937763
That doesn't mean it's solved, which it hasn't been.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solved_game#Partially_solved_games

>> No.10937814

>>10937810
$14.5 mil. Just for the motherfucking helo. The cost of fueling that thing alone would terrify me.

>> No.10937815

Why are you even wanking over this VR stuff? You literally have the internet already.

>> No.10937816
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So what do you think cyberspace should be like, /jp/?

My vote goes for Mega Man Battle Network.

>> No.10937821

>>10937816
oz

>> No.10937827

>>10937814
Yeah well my dad got it for $80 for one day.

So if he wanted it every day for a year that's $80 * 365 = $29,200

My dad could fly a helicopter every day if he wanted, and still have a few thousand dollars left over so I can buy figs.

>> No.10937840
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10937840

Why do the Enterprise crew even go on adventures?

Why not just go on the Holodeck and have adventures there?

>> No.10937847

>>10937809

>Higgs field

Isn't that the atheist particle that the Europeans failed to discover with their Large Hate-God Collider?

>> No.10937852

I cannot see how C is better than B: You're still a lousy human, just there's now some android running around thinking it's you.

>> No.10937853

>>10937840
Because they are explorer of space.

>> No.10937855

>>10937815

>You literally have the internet already.

Text on a page and blurry pixel characters controlled by rudimentary keys on mechanical levers does not satisfy me. I need full VR.

>> No.10937863

>>10937840

Because they're communists and the Federation allows only a set amount of recreational for human citizens.

>> No.10937862

>>10937847
They confirmed it exists.

http://home.web.cern.ch/about/updates/2013/03/new-results-indicate-new-particle-higgs-boson

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>>10937863
> for human citizens.

Does it vary by species?

Racist as HELL

>> No.10937882

>>10937878
Wouldn't it be speciesist?

>> No.10937890

>>10937882
Well members of different species are members of different races too, so I guess it's like a broader word.

Like how misogyny is sexism is discrimination.

>> No.10937896

>>10937890

Why did you use misogyny specifically in your example? Do you think women are designed to be prey in your own little deluded world?

Ironic as HELL. You being a misogynist and all.

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I really want Popplers to be real so I can eat one.

>> No.10937903

>>10937896
It's because I'm a discriminatist. But don't worry, that means I'm all the discriminisms. I hate men, women, blacks, whites, humans, and Klingons equally.

>> No.10937904

>>10937901

That would be swell, as long as their parents didn't show up.

>> No.10937912

Please don't talk about food. My brother and all his neurotypical friends have been downstairs for three days. I've had to survive on some old chewing gum I found in my jacket.

>> No.10937923

Fat /jp/sies: is being fat cool? Can you hide things in your fat?

>> No.10937933

>>10937912
At least you have a second floor. A neurotypical festival is happening outside my bedroom and they're throwing loud-enough-i-can-hear-but-low-enough-it's-supposed-to-look-like-i-shouldn't remarks about me.

>> No.10937944

>>10937923
I like to hide pencils in my belly and make them disappear.

>> No.10937955

>>10937923
I once wedged a pen under the flabs of the back of my knee, and forgot about it for a few hours. When I needed it, I couldn't find it.

>> No.10937961
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>>10937944
>>10937955
Has this ever happened to you?

>> No.10937963

>>10937673
And even if the technology gets eventually developed, not everyone will have access to it.

It will probably be reserved to only those with ludicrous amount of money.


Not like it really matters to me, I'll blow my brains out in the near future if I can't fulfill my goal.

>> No.10937964

>12
>23
>33
>44
>55
>61

That was almost something beautiful.

>> No.10937971

>>10937964
the frig is this nerd talking about

>> No.10937972

>>10937964
Feelio when the epic dubz stop coming ;_;

>> No.10937973

>>10937963
What's your goal?

>> No.10937976 [DELETED] 

>>10937973
To found a way to be a neet the rest of my life.

>> No.10937977

>>10937810
>My sides good sir.
Am I on /v/?

>> No.10937978

>>10937973
To find a way to be a neet the rest of my life.

>> No.10937979

2020-2025 is the only one in which you don't lose your consciousness. In every other one you basically just have a robotic clone of yourself that has your personality, but is in no way you. In 2020 you keep your brain, the most important part of you.

>> No.10937980

>>10937977
You made your way into this thread and didn't notice anything different? Look around you.

>> No.10937982

>>10937978
Become a yogi

>> No.10937986

>>10937982
And I forgot to mention, while maintaining daily life commodities.

>> No.10937988

>>10937978
Please tell us if you actually succeed

>> No.10937991

>>10937978
>>10937986
Start a harem of cute NEET boys and combine your NEETbucks.

>> No.10937992

>>10937973
Would you like to ask about my goal?

>> No.10937994

>>10937979

They'd just transfer the consciousness part of your brain, whenever they figure out what that part is.

>> No.10937996

>>10937992
I would.

>> No.10937999

>>10937979
I wonder why they even want to achieve anything but avatar B.

If someone doesn't invent immorality before I'm dead I'll be seriously mad.

>> No.10938000

proREMIRIAt Elite Force Commander: from wannabe quirky tripshit to full-time attention whore on a quest to surpass big Z. I can't wait until he blows his brains out.

>> No.10938014

>>10937996
It is to die without making babies, and I actually feel proud about it.

>> No.10938015

Okay, I managed to get some bread, but as I was going downstairs there was a lady in her underwear.

I feel like I'm going to be sick.

>> No.10938029

Oh god. They're all showing each other their genitals. I'm not even kidding, I can hear them.

I feel seriously ill right now. What do I do? Is this something I should phone the police about?

>> No.10938030

>>10938015
Shouldn't you be used to seeing your mom like that?

>> No.10938047

>People are animals! Wait, people aren't even animals, people are simulatable with electric clockwork! Yes!
Fascist crap. You can suck on my brain after I'm dead though, I'll be donating my corpse and you can have the brain or the dick, your choice.

>> No.10938058

FUG that. Even if I stay alive for 30 years, there's no way i'm going to be able to afford that shit.

>> No.10938066

>>10938047
It is, but what else is there?

>> No.10938062

>>10938014
Bringing new people into suffering sucks, but it's the only way we can eventually build paradise. On the other hand, if you think you have particularly bad genes (and you're in /jp/, so you might) the moral thing to do might be to sit reproduction out.

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>>10938066

>> No.10938104

>>10938098
I'd find it way too creepy having a celebrity sex robot.

Not in the sense that it's objectifying or whatever, it's just strange. That's a real person!

>> No.10938106

>>10938062
>if you think you have particularly bad genes
I'd like to know how genetic it is. All I've read are high school textbooks, Wikipedia and random internet articles. Widely endorsed college textbooks are pretty expensive. Luckily, I have time.

>> No.10938111

>>10938103
Why is she naked?

>> No.10938124

>>10938106
I'm pretty much the same, but if I'm not mistaken depression and mental illness in general has a much larger genetic component than people like to admit.

>> No.10938127

>>10938104
We'll just download Touhous instead.

>> No.10938128

>>10938106
...which actually brings me to the question: why hasn't anyone else here done it yet? I'm only 25. There are lots of older people here.

>> No.10938131

>>10938124
Have you read university textbooks?

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>>10938106
>>10938124
>The happiness set point is genetically determined and is assumed to be fixed, stable over time, and immune to influence or control.

>> No.10938139

>>10938127
Speak for yourself, I'm going to download ZUN and have my way with him.

>> No.10938141

>>10938138
Who are you quoting, what is that picture supposed to be and who was talking about happiness?

>> No.10938146

>>10938138
Wow, that pie chart sure is a convincing piece of evidence!

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>>10937979
Your soul is the most important part.

The brain is just a computer. But a computer won't do anything on it's own until you give it orders. The one that gives orders to you is your soul. Without your soul a clone is just going to be a dead body that can follow orders.

>> No.10938154

>>10938111
...dude...

>> No.10938156

>>10938111
Because she's not ashamed of her body.

>> No.10938157

>>10938141
>>10938146
Lyubomirsky, Sonja, Kennon M. Sheldon, and David Schkade. "Pursuing happiness: The architecture of sustainable change." (2005).

>> No.10938163

>>10938131
Nope.

>> No.10938168

>>10938153
Thing is the brain isn't a computer. It's a different class of information technology entirely from what are called "Turing machines," and anything simulatable on a Turing machine is itself a Turing machine, or something even simpler mathematically than that.

>> No.10938173

>>10938168
You can simulate a brain on a Turing machine.

>> No.10938183

>believing in free will
>>>/x/

>> No.10938187

>>10938157
Thank you for replying. Why do you think that happiness itself is the sensible thing to focus on? I would think that personality is much more important when considering a person's ability to work. Things like genuine sociality and the ability to stay interested in your surroundings seem crucial.

>> No.10938190

>>10938173
Not really, no. You can kinda simulate a snail neuron, sorta, with a computer and an awful lot of very human scientific and software development effort. But even there, not perfectly.

>> No.10938192

But would my consciousness transfer over?

>> No.10938199

>>10938192
If they pull out your brain and put it in a robot yes, but the others are basically copies of your personality.

>> No.10938200

>2045 Project
This sounds like a total scam.

>> No.10938201

>>10938163
Why not?

>> No.10938203

>>10938199
My brain doesn't last forever though.

>> No.10938207

>>10938203
What if they pickle it or something.

>> No.10938216

>>10938187
Personality is genetically determined, too. Psychologists have whittled down personality to the "Big Five" personality traits: openness to experience, conscientiousness, extraversion, agreeableness, and neuroticism. There was a study where they assessed a lot of identical twins who were separated at birth, and found that these traits are mostly genetic.

I forgot the name of the study, but I can do some digging if you're interested.

>> No.10938214

>>10938190
You can simulate a human neuron just fine.

>> No.10938223

>>10938201
Because out brains are metaphysical magic, silly

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yfw the ruling elite intend to secretly mass murder low class people by "putting them into virtual reality"

virtual reality is the future global holocaust in attempt to cull the earth's constantly increasing population

>> No.10938219

>>10938203
If they can enhance your brain to the point where you can process a year in a second then there isn't anything to worry about.

>> No.10938221

>>10938199
It's a lot more complicated than that, we don't know if we could in theory simulate a human brain (and if your "self" would transfer over).

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