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http://techdirt.com/articles/20080227/110156369.shtml

>It appears that the Japanese government is growing a bit jealous of China's ability to censor anything the government doesn't like online. The Japanese government has proposed new internet regulations that would effectively do the same thing -- requiring Japanese ISPs to filter content that is considered "harmful." As the article notes, this stems from a long-time regulatory relationship between the government and existing news media in Japan -- which has apparently helped keep the same ruling party in power for decades. The internet has now allowed for more open dissent, which the government is hoping to reign in. Of course, the government insists there's nothing nefarious going on here at all. It says the proposal specifically says it's not about censorship (which should set off alarm bells that it clearly is about censorship). Instead, they say they just want to protect citizens against harmful materials.

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>> No.109085

Reported for harmful content.

>> No.109128

first heard about it here
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QJmvI7pOup4
says the move is not being met with much opposition
what does the voice of the internet say?

>> No.109144

America's being a douche already with all their videos that 'aren't available in your region'. Even from Canada.

>> No.109145

>>109128
It's not voiced much because people don't know about it. Once it hits the broad 2ch userbase it's going to spread like wildfire.

>> No.109155

They're doing this all over the world though. Mostly sneaked in as "anti-child porn" laws.

>> No.109166

2ch would create an army of otaku (faces covered, of course) to attack the government HQ.

>> No.109177

>>109155
Exactly. Australia's doing this shit too. I hate their logic.

"Hey, this probably isn't the best idea..."
"YOU MUST SUPPORT CHILD PORN, WE'RE DOING THIS TO SAVE THE CHILDREN!"

They explcitily said they don't apologise for going down the same route China is. The worst thing is that either the Liberals or Labor would've done it, so the assreamed public don't get a fucking say at all.

>> No.109182

Censored Internet =/= Definition of "Internet"

>> No.109204

>>109145
shit is pretty old, they know it already. Also, 2ch is actually one of the reasons why they do it, because "lol people get bullied there".

>> No.109202

The Ministry of Agriculture is not going to like this...

>> No.109212

Speaking of censorship how about Google's chilling effects?

Is there a search engine on par with Google that doesn't omit results?

>> No.109219

>>109202
The Ministry of Agriculture is behind everything that the Japanese government does, actually.

>> No.109222

>>109212
>Is there a search engine on par with Google
No.

The free market is a wonderful thing.

>> No.109227

>>109128
It's unopposed right now from public opinion. It doesn't seem like their politicians care either way besides the ones pushing for it

This law has a real chance of actually getting passed

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

>> No.109230

>>109222
Sarcasm? Can't tell.

>> No.109233

>>109202
Who will provide wikipedia information on Gundam now?

>> No.109234

>The internet has now allowed for more open dissent, which the government is hoping to reign in.
Lol.

>> No.109236

>>109219
isn't it the ministry of economy?

>> No.109237

>>109202
I lol'd

>> No.109243

Meh, Japan's different. They've always had draconian "freedom of speech" laws that aren't. Asian standards are just different compared to the west.

>> No.109238

>>109236
Negative

>> No.109248

Next, Japan will annex China and South Korea and ship classes of high school students to remote islands, where they fight to the death until one remains.

Jesus Christ.

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>>109236

>> No.109244

If Japanese internet gets censored, what will be censored exactly? Will I still be able to get my tentacle rape porn?

>> No.109255

>>109177
Finland's version of it is brilliant. It's a fucking DNS redirect, which means you can just use a spider to harvest a nice list of child porn site addresses. Every pedophile in the country would be applauding it... if the list contained more than 1% actual child porn sites. Right now it's about 90% completely legal gay porn sites - which, while being a nice deterrent against crawling the list, is completely fucking illegal.

As for parties: of the three major ones, #1 is responsible for the law that allowed the list in the first place, #2 is actively defending it now that #1 is out of the government, and #3 thinks that a computer is a new kind of milking machine.

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109263

So.. this same thing is happening globally. This might be the first step of the so called New World Order.

>> No.109267

It's a global thing, and most times it won't work.

Lets's hope that the ISPs got some balls.

>> No.109269

>>109263
Fuck you, Suvi. Go back to not taking care of your adopted Chinese kid on your state-funded golf course and leave my Internet alone.

>> No.109281

IF anybody needs me, I'll be out laying cable for my own personal internet.

>> No.109305

>>109267
>Lets's hope that the ISPs got some balls.
Balls? In my Japan?
>And, as many in Japan are pointing out, mobile operators in the country recently started a "voluntary" effort to filter out harmful info, and it's blocking lots of perfectly legitimate info to be on the safe side.
Sorry.

>>109281
Why not go for wireless?

>> No.109357

>>109305
I..what? Wireless? Why?

>> No.109385

>>109243
>Asian standards are just different compared to the west.
This is a shitty excuse for barefaced censorship.

>> No.109386

>>109357
Cables cost money, cables can be cut, wireless things can moved around...
Ah. I know you'll need some cable to go under the sea, long distance... ignore me.

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>>109062

Reminds me of germany.

This guy here wanted to spy our PC's with some kind of trojan, but "Bundesverfassungsgericht" ( German Constitutional Court) disagreed with him.

>> No.109410

Someone find out what 2ch think about this

>> No.109400

>>109385
But internet dissidents be disturbin' the wa, dood, the wa.

>> No.109422

LOL DSCHAPANIESE

>> No.109416

>>109410
They're probably perfectly happy with it. Yes. I'm sure they even support this idea.

>> No.109427

>>109416

Think about it for a second.

>filter content that is considered "harmful."
>2ch

Do those two words look like they go together well to you?

>> No.109434

>>109386
Small steps, anon. By the time all internet looks like china, my guerilla ISP will be ready.

>> No.109444

>>109427
Uhhh yeah ummm uhhhh yeah uhh shut up retard

>> No.109451

>>109404
that's like, totally different. He wanted to use trojans to observe the PCs of terror suspects, and ONLY terror suspects. Japan openly censors the internet.

>> No.109464

>>109451
>ONLY terror suspects.

Idiot detected.
Command?

>> No.109563

>>109444

>> No.109570
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Britfag interlude!

There's a Conservative MP here, Hugo Swire, who proposed that UK ISPs filter the internet to make it child-safe by default. He proposes use of a authentication PIN code to unlock the unfiltered (less filtered?) internet for adults. He cited South Korea as a good example of a similar successfully implemented policy. Get this, South Korean ISPs are told to filter only one thing, pro-North Korea stuff. Political dissidence again. What a great example to follow~

Related, filesharing in violation of copyright will result in being banned from the internet, three strikes and you're out. Same in France. Oh well, I guess I'll have to give up my animu. I ain't no huge fan anyway. Maybe it'll make me a better person.

back to our regularly scheduled thread, yo

>> No.109581

>>109570
note : nobody's ever been banned fron the internets in france.
nobody cares about downloading over here.

>> No.109576

>>109451

HEY DUDE I GET INTO YOUR HOUSE (or PC) AND SEARCH TROUGH ALL YOUR STUFF, BECAUSE I THINK YOU ~MIGHT~ BE A TERRORIST!

>> No.109593

>>109570
The only people making a fuss about downloading right now is the music industry. I doubt our Government care weather we download animu or not.

>> No.109604

>>109593
I don't think anyone in the french government knows what anime is.

>> No.109608

>>109604

anime is a french word...

>> No.109609

Nobody in France cares about CP online, everyone is too busy sleeping with actual little girls.

>> No.109629

>>109608
do you think that because a word is french then everybody in france knows it ?
think again.

>> No.109645

This is a move by the right-wing ruling LDP, who control the traditional media with a Singapore-esque hidden threat of slander lawsuits up the bum unless complete and utter self-censorship is effected. So now they want similar control over the Internet, so that they wouldn't lose the coming election (which they will, in any case, writing's on the wall).

It's a move by a fascist government to retain power in the face of unlimited communication via the Internet. Simple as that. Expect this to enter the standard playbook for "how to gain authoritarian power in a democracy", the "tail end of regime" chapter toward the end of the book.

>> No.109669

>>109608
With a completely unrelated meaning to the Japanese one.

>> No.109679

>>109669
right, "animé" in french just means animated, it's not specially related to japanese shows.

>> No.109675

>>109609
Spain, too. Then again, we have to pay high prices for blank DVDs because we "might" be pirating to compensate artists (actually, no, just the music industry giants)

>> No.109692

>>109645
Just like Nazi-Germany, right?

>> No.109796

It's the Internet, it doesn't matter as much as what some "democracies" are doing. At least they dont lock you up for looking like an arab, unlike some.

>> No.109865

Politicians think that they understand how this chaos works. Poor things.

>> No.109883

>>109692
You said it, not me. But the similarity is sort of striking, isn't it?

Except with the nazis not having the internet. Or, you know, a theoretically functioning democracy. They did have a lot of support, which the LDP doesn't seem to feel they have a lot right now.

>> No.109912

Not relevant, they try this every year or so and it's about as productive as people trying to ban porn here in the US

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>>109865
DON'T WORRY GUIS I CAN TOTALLY CONTROL CHAOS!

>> No.109936

Some months ago I've read an article by Habermas where he defended the control by the government of the mass media. According to him, the ruin of modern democracy was caused by, simplifying, the private ownership of the great communication channels. Great plan this one, it would be like escaping from a lion by hiding yourself inside the cage of a tiger.

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No more lolicon for you.

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110698

Do these people mean to scan every single packet for plaintext discussing naughty topics, or do they mean to only censor Websites so that mundanes don't have easy access to information?

Is it illegal anywhere to set up your own private internet, say over a small geographic area at first, and provide access to it as you see fit, as long as it never touches THE Internet? 'Cause if not, that seems like a really neat premise for a non-profit agency.

>> No.110710

they're taking our loli away, those faggots.

>> No.110713

nothing new

>> No.110737

What're the odds of blackmarket ISPs popping up?

>> No.110751

>>110737
possibly in the future when the entire internet is censored, we'll have something like the undernet from megaman battlenetwork.

>> No.110756

>>your own private internet

...like, an intranet?

>> No.110763

>>110751
Sweet. I'll be able to use my hideously warped soul as a source of power?

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> Related, filesharing in violation of copyright will result in being banned from the internet, three strikes and you're out.
> banned from the internet
What the hell, that's stupid ...

>> No.110772

>>110751
4chan IS the undernet. Notice all the Anonymous posters, asshole behavior, fixation on survival of the fittest, and proliferation of illegal content.

>> No.110769

>>110698
It's called a network. The Internet just does it on a global scale.

>> No.110788

>>110772
no we aren't.
we're pathetic losers who dwell in our parents basements and will never accomplish anything.

>> No.110789

>>110772
Wait, so if 4chan is the Undernet, then what's The Sanctuary?

>> No.110794

By the by, what's a UraNet exactly?

Is that some random phrase they invented, or does it have a eleven equivalent?

>> No.110798

>>110751
They'd have to change the underlying technology in a major way to make just tunneling through existing protocols avoid anything they implement. It'll be a LONG damn time before corruption in America reaches the point where people capable of implementing a really censored internet would draw this to the attention of politicians and actually make it happen, so America will provide a significant holdout to a real censored internet.

>> No.110799

>>110789
not4chan OH WAIT

>> No.110802

>>110794
The eleven equivalent is probably 2ch.

>> No.110808

>>110802
Makes sense.

/v/ is invading /jp/, though, and I feel bad for being a part of it.

>> No.110817

>>110798
remember that time when some guy wanted to restart the entire internet to increase government control on internet content?
i read about it a year or two ago, i have no idea how that shit would work though, it would be like the internet 2.0.

>> No.110819

>>110789
This is The Sanctuary, the Time Trial area of The Sanctuary is /rs/, and moot is Serenade. Which kinda fits since both have gender issues, what with moot wishing to be the little girl and all.

>> No.110831

>>110756
Yes, exactly like that, only very very big, and using no tunneling through the larger internet. Is it illegal anywhere? Like China maybe?

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> not4chan OH WAIT
Am I missing something here anon? Because there's also /b/ which I never went to either...

>> No.110826

>>110819

But Serenade isn't the final boss of the internets.

Does that mean moot isn't the real power of 4chan?

>> No.110837

>>110819
Moot is just a faggot with the server, he's not that powerful. Mods are more like those black boxes you have to kill with PAs. Mostly inert but sometimes ban if you mess around too long.

>> No.110882

>>110830
/b/ is that horrible viral leak in the net that contaminates and sucks all the energy out of everything it touches, leaving nothing behind but AIDS and failure.

>> No.110901

>>110882
So.../b/ is Alpha?

Also, ITT we compare 4chan to MMBN.

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> /b/ is that horrible viral leak in the net that contaminates and sucks all the energy out of everything it touches, leaving nothing behind but AIDS and failure.
> AIDS and failure
I thought that was just anon ...

>> No.110935

>>110901
And the failure and AIDS are those amoeba viruses from Alpha that rape you to cause damage.

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>>110817
>some guy wanted to restart the entire internet to increase government control on internet content?
The internet can no longer be shut down for more than a few hours without the economies of most developed nations in the world collapsing from the shear weight of corporate monetary loss. No one country controls the whole internet, either, so it could also not physically be shut down without unanimous international cooperation, a solar flare knocking out the whole world's power grid, or complete carpet bombing of the entire planet. That last method is not an exaggeration. The underlying protocols of the Internet were designed to be resistant to node loss caused by things like nuclear strikes, so a few well placed nukes wouldn't do it.

Now it is merely a waiting game over then next 50 or so years while all the politicians everywhere who don't understand this die off so that they quit trying to treat TCP/IP like print media.

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>>110948
>The internet can no longer be shut down

>> No.111077

>The internet can no longer be shut down
Preposterous. Everyone knows the internet keeps proper office hours and closes promptly at 5 PM.

>> No.111108

>>111077
Problem? All the internets are in different time zones, so when one shuts down, another goes up.

>> No.111121

INTAHNETO SELIES OF TUBES!

>> No.111114

>>111063
>>111077

Waiting for that internet light-switch picture now..

>> No.111139

>>111108
Time zones? Are you implying that the world is round? I don't know what crazy non-euclidian parallel dimension you come from, but here we like our Earths flat, and our internets closed.

>> No.111146

>>111139
I am from the third dimension. I see that you're from the second one.

>> No.111160

>>111139
It does not imply that the Earth is round, merely that the sun seems to move relative to the Earth while on it's surface. We could be lying on a flat plane and seeing a new sun every single day, and time zones could still happily exist.

>> No.111161

>>111146
BE QUIET, YOU FOOL. YOU'LL SUMMON BLICK WINKEL AND DOOM US ALL.

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>>111139
>>111146
Shit, lucky guy...

>> No.111387

>>111160
If we're using up a new sun every day, sooner or later we're going to run out of them. And you know what I'll do then? I'll go up to some farmer and say "Ha! See where your precious daylight savings time got us?" And then I'll bugger one of his sheep. Not so much to spite him, but because I enjoy it.

>> No.111451

>>111387
Why would we run out of them? Perhaps there are infinitely many of them. Or maybe they travel in a wide circle above us, so wide that we don't notice the curve of it's path.

>> No.111491

>>111451
Both of those proposals defy observable properties of light.

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DID SOMEBODY SAY TIME ZONES?

>> No.111581

>>111491
What observable property of light is violated by the idea of infinitely many suns?

>> No.111958

>>109222
Give it time, if they keep omitting results people are gonna get sick and tired of it.

>> No.111974

facepalm.jpg

>> No.112672

Japan's government could do this and the Japanese would just accept it.

>> No.112730

>>112672
They're used to being made bitches by government authority, so probably. At least they'll only be censoring political thought, though. We'll still get our porn and raws.

>> No.113073

>>112730
Political thought is the most dangerous kind of censorship, it's how people get warned about the government wrong doing and lies. Japanese are already to conditioned to accept authority this is just bad news the kind of stuff that got them in a World War. All Governments need to keep their corrupt hands off the Internet.

>> No.113093

>>113073
It's also how lies are spread, but I concede to your point. Still, I don't care about the political freedoms enjoyed by Japanese citizens, only the weird shit Japan produces.

>> No.114653

If Japan lises any more political freedom, there will be no weird porn

>> No.114653,1 [INTERNAL] 

>>110772
>4chan IS the undernet

maybe in the first years
now is mainstream, sadly

>> No.114653,2 [INTERNAL] 

>>114653,1
And the undernet wasn't mainstream? Literally everyone in the series was discussing it and entering it with no trouble, even 10 year old kids. It was just a place to be edgy anonymously, just like 4chan.

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