/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Why do people hate this fight so much?

Why is Reimu getting her ass kicked supposedly a bad thing?

She's a bitch. She deserved a nice lesson.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

The whole thing was bad. Worst material ever.

[Anonymous No.]

Reimu is a very nice young girl.

[Anonymous No.]

Because you are not in control, unlike when she gets beaten in the games

[Anonymous No.]

When you think about it, Yorihime's powers were cool as fuck. It's just that Aki sucks at action scenes.

[Anonymous No.]

That wasn't even a fight.

They should have stayed in Gensokyo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882765
They really are not considering it's literally new powers as the plot demands. No need to write complex fights, just have her summon some new god.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882777

Swords growing from the ground. Turning into holy fire. That sand move.

And the funny thing is ZUN said Toyohime is the scarier one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882801
It's easy to say something you don't actually have to show to anybody. ZUN will never show her do anything impressive so one just has to accept it.

This character is really great! What does she do? Nothing! But she is really great, i tell you what.

[Anonymous No.]

because no one likes moonsluts

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882814

I do.

[Anonymous No.]

It was danmaku. It wasn't that big a deal and ended on friendly terms. Said danmaku was very poorly depicted, though.

I like SSiB really. Not sure why some people were expecting serious DBZ-style fights in Touhou. The entire thing being an elaborate scheme to instill fear into Eirin/prank the sisters was pretty interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882821

What is she supposed to do? Exterminate humanity for fun? Turn Earth's oceans into strawberry jelly?

She just sits on the moon raping hot as all fuck bunny girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882801
> ZUN said Toyohime is the scarier one
Did he give a reason? Personality? Power?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882860
There is this thing called "Show, don't tell"

It requires more work but will always work better in the end. You think it's cool when everything just runs on informed abilities? Because i sure as hell don't. If i'm supposed to be impressed by some character, then have that character do something impressive. Don't just say that she is. That's the laziest way possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>Those two have amusing personalities and the story could expand even further, so I would like to make another story about them.

Just a matter of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882828
no one

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882866

He said Yorihime is the more ordinary one. Whatever that means.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882873

SSiB was the first canon Touhou manga. Neither ZUN nor Aki had any idea of what the fuck they are doing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882900
The first and the best one.
>>10882888
Great character design.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882850
If it was Chado then I would be expecting crazy fight scenes. But Aki? Not so much.

>>10882900
I wonder if it would have been any different with another artist/circle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882900
That's not making anything better. In fact, ZUN is an idiot for not getting some artist who actually knows what they are doing. It's like he wanted to be bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882903

You joking right? WaHH and FS are infinitely better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882909
FS is basically Mushishi with touhous
I love it

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882907

He forgot to explain properly how stuff is supposed to look.

Which is why Lunar City and lunarian technology looks the way it looks.

It's best to think we saw it through the eyes of dead drunk Marisa or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882917
That's the worst thing. I thought he was joking when he said that at first. It's his fucking manga and he doesn't explain how things look to his artist? Seriously, how little does he care...

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882909
better how?

SSiB was fun and silly like Touhou should be.

[Anonymous No.]

So, I figure you guys probably get this all the time, so I won't bother making a new thread to ask since I'm sure that's fucking annoying. Also, sage for not contributing anything.

But anyway, how does one get into the Touhou fandom? I've played the games years ago, but they never seemed to have the in-depth characterizations and stuff that everyone seems to talk about. It is all doujin material that fleshes out this universe? What do you start with? Also, the vast amounts of Touhou music are awesome, so it'll be great to start getting into those.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882943

It was the first manga. He literally had no idea what he's doing.

He got much better since then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882950

Perfect Memento in Strict Sense. Then Symposium of Post Mysticism. Then all the other print works. Then Scarlet Weather Rhapsody story mode. Then doujins.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882950
Know your meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882950
>but they never seemed to have the in-depth characterizations and stuff that everyone seems to talk about
That's because there's barely any dialogue and nothing is ever explained in-game. My theory is that ZUN just makes shit up on the spot when he's asked to explain things.

Now there are a few official manga. Go read those. There are tons of doujinshi. Go read any that seem interesting to you.

If you don't get into any of it, then you probably don't like touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882947
It's painful to read with bad art and shitty pacing. The fights, which are the highlight of the manga, look like ass and since the manga already tells you right away that Yorihime will fight all four characters, there is no tension or surprise at all. 3 out of four fights are pointless. The games at least play smoothly, have good music and the danmaku and patterns in-game look great. Silly is the only word that applies to SSIB, not fun.

[Anonymous No.]

Everyone just gets butt mad over this because Reimu and Sakuya are even bigger mary sues but everyone chooses not to acknowledge it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882975
I'm chugging through IaMP at the moment. Suika is wrecking my shit hot damn. This was doable with Sakuya but with Reimu fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

Honestly, I thought it was interesting to encounter such blatantly overpowered adversaries in such a nonchalant way. With many other series, new enemies are only so much stronger than the heroes when introduced, but here we meet opponents that could be introduced several story arcs later in too short of a time frame than we could be made ready for. It would bug me if done too often, but it's fresh in that it reminds us how relative our perspective of Gensokyo has been to this point. The execution leaves a lot to be desired, but I liked it because it prepares us to expect more than we did before.
It's kinda like playing an rpg and you stumble into a cave with monsters 30 levels stronger than you, and you realize that you've only been strong compared to what you've already faced. It starts making you think about the future, and when you'll be strong enough to return there properly. It makes the world feel a bit bigger, and it adds intrigue and variety. Guess what I'm saying is that I'd like to revisit the Lunar Capital under more proper circumstances, but I'd say ZUN has long since moved on from that story arc, unfortunately.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>10883317
Reimu has the most abuseable moves. You aren't trying hard enough.

[Anonymous No.]

One thing that bugs me is that the spellcard duels don't bother to follow the handful of rules introduced in PMiSS, which came about 2 years beforehand.

I mean yeah half the point of the fight is that Yorohime is just a big brick wall that the characters don't have a hope in hell of beating, but it was done so sloppily and lazily (not just the art but the writing as well), that it sucks out whatever entertainment you might get from it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882947
But it's just as serious as the other ones if not more.

[Anonymous No.]

It amuses me that a danmaku can't hurt anyone physically yet lunarian could destroy earth with it and shit like that. And even if they use something different like magical technology or I don't know what ZUN took from his ass the gensokyo crew still could possibly win or do damages against such blatant superior powers with only tickling magical bullets.

Seriously, that shit about danmaku not being lethal is just why you don't try to explain every game mechanism canonically personified.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10883774
I think Eientei and the Moon have just been completely shafted.

Personally I want to know what the heck a moon rabbit is. It doesn't seem to be human nor youkai.

[Anonymous No.]

This is all funny considering Yorihime was defeated by falling in a hole that Tewi dug.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884085

Wow, seriously ? After all danmaku can't hurt you while falling can so it's just normal I guess. That also surely explain why the human village is still there since a stone to the face of a youkai is like 10th times more powerful than its most powerful spellcard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884106
It was a joke doujin mostly anyways.

She beat up Reisen U. and Reisen II, and then promptly walked into a hole and knocked herself out whilst the rabbits claimed victory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884044
It's spellcard rules that neuter the lethality of danmaku, otherwise I believe it could still be lethal. I think of it like the law system of FFT:Advance, where powerful users are still powerful, but the lethality of it all is neutered while giving those without much of a knack for danmaku a chance to fight for their cause. As for how much a spellcard match can hurt, I'm not sure, but some of Reimu's bad endings state that, while maybe not ever being in mortal danger, she returns from battles in rough shape. All the pain, none of the death perhaps, but Touhous are pretty sturdy so they don't cry much about hurting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884106
Actually in SoPM ZUN said that youkai are very resistant to physical attacks and that they even cannot be killed by them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884113

Sure beating her is fun and everything but the poor lunarian rabbits back home won't rejoice that much after being thoroughly punished, raped and beaten until even breathing became difficult.

[Anonymous No.]

Reimu's not a bitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884135
They aren't punished like that.

They are sort of punished, but not to that degree.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882747
The fact that she beats every main character, on her very first danmaku battle.

She's what you call a mary sue.

[Anonymous No.]

it's a good thing aki eda stopped working for ZUN. she went insane right afterwards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884222
oops wrong pic.

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>>10884158

Normally, but falling inside a hole dug by the lunarian equivalent of a foreign nigger and losing while being humiliated even though you are the strongest of the strongest around probably made her loose her temper.

She may also just became harsh for a long time with the poor innocent rabbits up there. Also, while we don't say she just relaxed by having half a dozen of the finest lunarian rabbits oiled up and heated up with aphrodisiacs rubbing against her with their soft and moist body on an air mattress we don't say she didn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10883824
Essentially. I was refusing to camp and was not putting much effort into learning the character, unlike what I did with Sakuya. Time to get to work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884228
Ah shit, Aki Eda made yuri doujin too?
No wonder SSiB is shit.

If SSiB got remade, with Moe Harukawa do the art and ZUN be more serious to writing, SSiB will be the best touhou manga ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884228

NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE.

Please tell me she didn't put it inside an official manga. You don't make canon couples in touhou even for fun or for a joke or out of drunkenness. Just no.

[SPOILER]Marisa X Alice is ok though.[/SPOILER]

[Anonymous No.]

I didn't really care about moon bitches besting everyone without lifting a finger...

Then this happened, and even though I had no idea what was going on, I died a little inside.

Satori...

[Anonymous No.]

I've never bothered reading any official touhou manga. It may be because I don't like to read scan at all and prefer to have it in hands or because it annoys me to read scan in english since it's not my first language.

Do I really miss something great or is it only slightly better than regular doujins?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884259
Fuck this series.
Also fuck morbid curiosity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884158

Pff. Why WOULDN'T they rape the hell out of bunnygirls? They treat them as cannon fodder as-is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884317
Because...uh...they're pure and stuff? I dunno, but they wouldn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884317
How do they treat them as cannon fodder?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884245
Her doujins always had some kind of yuri undertones to them, if not outright blatant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884259
What is this? Google image found nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884338

By them being cannon fodder in the lunarian army. It couldn't be more clear. Even though they didn't wage war for centuries that's their prime military doctrine.

>>10884341

It makes me want to read them and since gensokyo is rather on the homoerotic side I find it more canonical according to fluff. As long as she doesn't make pairs I don't like it should be right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884365
That literally makes no sense.

There's no mention of them being treated as cannon fodder in any source and they are being trained by the WATATSUKIS. You know, the "Mary sues".

That would probably make them better than anything Earth could muster up, and adding on their powers, that'd make them pretty OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884371

Their guns look like trumpets though and shot slowly as fuck. If their officers weren't Mary Sues of Doom on the fucking moon they would probably be owned by anything the humans could throw at them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884348
Komeiji Koshi`s Heart-Thobbing Adventure

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884387
They are magic rifles that can fire multiple trackable bullets.

The Lunar Exhibiton has shown that they also have the equivalent of a Vulcan Minigun that is made of ultra-light materials that can be held as normally as any other rifle.

Ontop of that, they can drive people insane, use their eyes much in the same way that Reisen can (Though Reisen is said to be a cut above the rest), and they can use magic.

What proof do you have that their rifles shoot slowly as fuck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882747
>She's a bitch.

The same could be said of all Touhous. Not only is that including Yorihime, it's the whole charm of the setting. And Reimu was being a pretty magnificent bitch in SSiB, if you don't like her back then, how can you like any Touhou?

>>10882821
>ZUN will never show her do anything impressive

The same could be said of all Touhous.

>>10882873
>There is this thing called "Show, don't tell"
>It requires more work but will always work better in the end.

Except no "show, don't tell" story has ever gotten a fraction of popularity measured in derivative works as the "tell, don't show" Touhou did.

The only way ZUN can show things is with Danmaku. And while it's pretty expressive, it would not really work in the manga.

>>10882947
Graphically, for one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884044

The atom-splitting fan (or whatever it was exactly) that Toyohime threatened to wipe Gensokyo clean with wasn't Danmaku at all. The entire point of her threat was "I don't give a single fuck about your Danmaku I swear to god I will nuke you and everything you love off the face of the planet".

>>10884252
>>10884245

Oh unclench yourselves already. All of her yuri stuff is 100% unofficial and none of it got into SSiB.

>>10884271

All they really have going for them is that they are actually official. If you care about learning more about what characters are actually like, they're worth checking out.

>>10884424

>Except no "show, don't tell" story has ever gotten a fraction of popularity measured in derivative works as the "tell, don't show" Touhou did.

Oh puh-fucking-lease. Touhou doesn't show OR tell for practically anything, it leaves everything up to the fans to think up. That's why its so goddamn popular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882950
The characterization and story is hidden in the readmes.

Just go to the touhou wiki and read official materials in whatever order you wish. Only remember to ignore everything that wasn't originally written by ZUN. You can usually tell by the presence (or absence) of the original Japanese text nearby.

>>10882973
Sangetsusei started two years earlier, and he's been writing CoLA years before that. Aki Eda is another story, but ZUN knew perfectly well what he was doing.

>>10883774
>it reminds us how relative our perspective of Gensokyo has been

Which was probably the whole point.

>>10884113
>doujin

That was in Inaba & Inaba. No, that's not a "doujin", no matter how you bend the meaning of the word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884460
It was a neat 4koma then.

Happy?

[Anonymous No.]

Yorohime cheated, that wasn't a danmaku battle at all since Moonpeople hate fun, tecnically she would have lost when she eat Marisa's star.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884461
Kaguya what the hell is your hair doing
is that even hair
it isn't
it's just a hair-colored floppy tube she's wearing on her head

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884471
Maybe she had an accident with a razor so Eirin gave her a utbe to wear.

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>>10884123
This is where I should be pasting the quote from Grimoire of Marisa about how a full-power attack wouldn't be danmaku in the first place.

>>10884158
Remember how Eirin treats Reisen in Inaba? What makes you think her pupils are any different?

On the plus side, it leaves a possibility of Eirin treating Watatsukis the same way back when she was their teacher.

>>10884208
>She's what you call a mary sue.

The term has lost all its meaning already, stop using it.

>>10884271
>Do I really miss something great

Yes.

>>10884365
>they didn't wage war for centuries

They had a war just recently. What do you think Reisen ran away from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884460
Which publisher published Inaba&Inaba?
Touhou project is a doujin game series and all of its fan made games, manga, music are the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884487
Toyohime just wants to chillax with her rabbit pals. She isn't cruel nor malicious.

Yorohime is tough on them, but I don't think she's the silly levels of tough in the way that Eirin was portrayed.

I think most of Inaba was exaggerating what Eirin does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884490
Looks like.. Ichijinsha

[Anonymous No.]

Reimu is a racist bitch, but that's what makes her likable.

Also, couldn't she have theoretically just Fantasy-Heaven-hacked her way out of it? Or does she just avoid using her godmode powers at all costs like Yukari does?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884447
>Touhou doesn't show OR tell for practically anything

I don't know, I'm perfectly happy with what we're being told. Not saying I wouldn't like more, of course.

>>10884494
>I think most of Inaba was exaggerating what Eirin does.

Hopefully. There's a limit of violence, even to sturdy nigh-indestructible youkai bodies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884506
It's highly doubtful Reisen is a youkai.

She's something else all together.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884504
>couldn't she have theoretically just Fantasy-Heaven-hacked her way out of it?

Certainly, not to mention Sakuya could most likely timestop her way out, and Remilia was pretty much shown as stronger than Yorihime until she was hit by her kryptonite. People seem to underappreciate how not-serious everyone but Yorihime was about those fights.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884513
Youkai is just a catch-em-all term for a supernatural being.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884504
>racist
It's funny because she's the complete opposite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884527
Ah.

Well, she's not a traditional youkai in the Gensokyo sense where they go away if you don't believe in them and what-not.

She is certainly something different, though. Sorry. I just think of traditional youkai when I see the term.

[Anonymous No.]

I was reading CiLR and noticed that every chapter is first person except for Reimu's. That's a little odd. ZUN even gets inside Yukari's head, but not Reimu's.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884529
>I have never played any Windows Touhou game

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884529
What? Just because's begrudgingly friendly to the youkai that come to her shrine for tea doesn't make her speech any less hateful.

>>10884552
Huh. I never noticed that.

[Anonymous No.]

ZUN can be a good writer if he try.
>>10884552
Oh, you read CiLR too? CiLR is a good read, i like that chapter about Mokou and her past.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884595
She treats everyone the same. That's her biggest character trait.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884596
>i like that chapter about Mokou and her past.

Seconded. It was nice to see a properly fleshed-out back story for her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884572
>I have never read any printed work so I don't know the reason why she is "racist"

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884531

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Rabbit

Lots of vague stuff as usual for most of the things you try and find the specifics for in Touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884615
I know. I want to find out, but ZUN doesn't seem interested in Eientei at all anymore.

They're all but forgotten!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884597
Not really. She's not exactly 'nice' to anyone, but she treats Marisa a lot better than the majority of the people she fights. Look at her dialogue with Byakuren in TH12 and tell me she's not a racist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884624
Just did.
Ugh, how inconsistent.

[Anonymous No.]

Lotta secondaries in here...

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884608
I have read the print works. I don't recall her giving any good reason besides her duties as a shrine maiden. Her duties and her attitude are completely different things though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884618

At least you're not caught in the shitty position of wanting more of them, and feeling bad every time they're used again because they're already overexposed as it is.

All I really want is more infodump books like PMiSS and SoPM. I don't need it wrapped up in a cutesy and inconsequential storyline, just give me information goddamnit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884644
Yeah. I think it's a mix of relatively unpopularity and perhaps a case of 'I don't know what to do' on Zun's part.

It could really be worse for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884624
>she treats Marisa a lot better than the majority of the people she fights

Marisa is her personal friend. Look how she treats other people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884624
>she treats Marisa a lot better than the majority of the people she fights

Marisa is her personal friend. Look how she treats other humans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884618
At least they've gotten a manga of their own, prominent roles in another one and a novel, plus various other smaller appearances in various media.

Meanwhile, Chireiden...

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>>10884667
Well, she doesn't call them 'filthy humans' or anything of the sort. She very rarely even comes into contact with them, though.

Either way >>10884630 is right, it seems pretty inconsistent. I guess that's ZUN for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884679
>>10884618
Fuck your moonbitches and undergroundbitches. Mima is in much more need of love.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884679
Someday, anon. Someday...

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884680
Is it really?
>She treats everyone the same. However, since her job is youkai-hunting, she acts particularly strict with youkai, but she doesn't really care much about humans or youkai.
Seems pretty accurate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884701
She's displayed clear favor of humans over youkai (beyond just 'strictness') more than once. ZUN agreed, don't bother him about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884716
What's an example? I don't know where you're drawing the line.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884716
Cite that shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884680
>She very rarely even comes into contact with them, though.

That's not exactly true. We're just rarely seeing it.

And, well, from what little I remember, she does treat the village people with much more respect than youkai. Whether it's racism or because she thinks of them as valuable customers is another story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884729
She respects human property (CoLA, FS), while mugging and stealing from the youkai (CoLA again, games). For one example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884731
>>10884729
A lot of her lines in MoF and UFO emphasize it pretty clearly. I shouldn't even have to tell you that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884743
>>10884768
Nah. Just seeing >>10884701

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884768
>>10884743
It's her job to be hard on youkai. If you read her profiles, she is equally uninterested in everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884790
So, if it's your job to be racist then you're not truly racist? Even though a couple of profiles say that, it doesn't match up with her behavior in the games and written works alike.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884811
How does any of it contradict her profile?

[Anonymous No.]

Wait maybe this will help:
jisho.org/words?jap=厳しい&eng=&dict=edict

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884839
How does it not? There's not a single example of Reimu verbally expressing dislike of humans, but she bashes youkai on a regular basis. And again, not just for 'extermination' reasons. You're using one line taken from a profile against behavior that's been ingrained into her character throughout multiple games and written works, and it's just silly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884853
>And again, not just for 'extermination' reasons.
How can you tell?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884860
Because she doesn't say anything about it. There have been cases (ie: IN's extra stage) where she mentions that youkai have to be exterminated, but this has faded away in the recent games. I'd argue that lines like "Even if you only exist to be exterminated." are pretty damned racist even if they mention extermination.

Really a pointless argument since nobody can read ZUN's mind and say "this is what she meant by [x]".

[Anonymous No.]

Discrimination is no good. Let's show Reimu that humans can be wicked people too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884716

How is that strange in any way?

Youkai murder and eat people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884915
But there are nice youkai too!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884944
cute pic dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884228
Ooh. So akieda is not so shitty after all? Well, ssib is still complete crap I won't ever care about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884963
SSiB Sakuya is real cute. Wud fap again

[Anonymous No.]

So does Reimu have any fucking redeeming qualities at all? WaHH doesn't seem to put any effort in making Reimu the least bit likeable. Racist, intolerant, lazy, insufferable, greedy, violent, pushes the blame on others, only does things for her own profit and with absolutely no drive to better herself at all. The one time she tries to improve herself she's back to her shitstain self in record time.
It's really hard to depict Reimu in a positive light when all her traits are those of a fucking bitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10885011
She's saved Gensokyo several times and makes it her business to do so whenever it's threatened.
She's really not as bad as you're making her out to be...

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884774
>>10884790
Umm... huh?

Your response seems tantamount to "la la la, I can't hear you" to me. Did you really stop to consider what we said?

>>10885011
The beauty of Touhou is that she doesn't need to. Want people with redeeming qualities, go elsewhere.

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>>10885028
That's another problem I have with Reimu: what would she be if she weren't the Hakurei shrinemaiden? What does she even do outside of solving incidents? Drink tea on her porch and stare at the clouds? She doesn't seem to have much of a personality outside of solving incidents and the aforementioned negative qualities. She would be the dullest person alive if she weren't the Hakurei Miko.
As a simple comparison, Mario doesn't have much of a personality aside from 'that nice guy who saves the princess/kingdom every week'. He doesn't have anything outside of that. So if Mario didn't have the strength to save kingdoms, he also would be the dullest person alive.
Reimu must have SOMETHING aside from incident solving and being a bitch, otherwise she feels like an empty character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10884624
IN extra, yukari had to remind her that she was a racist

something like, the vessels souls come in now don't matter

[Anonymous No.]

>>10885011
Her awful personality is loveable.

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>>10885057
Miko duties, keep an eye on Gensokyo for incidents, that sort of thing. She's not a very active person when she's not saving the day.

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>>10885011
Ugh. I just got to this thread, so forgive me if anything here has already been said, but:
She's not racist/intolerant. Most of the visitors to her shrine are frankly youkai. Please beat a game.
If she were truly greedy, she could always acquire money through force. While she may complain about lack of funds (although this is severely exaggerated in secondary culture), the fact that she remains poor is evidence of her zen attitude towards the world.
Regarding violence, although yes she does just sort of resolve incidents by going around and fighting people, this is only a product of the society she's a part of, and so it's unfair to judge this as a negative trait via our own cultural values. Danmaku is an almost universally recognized safe, efficient and fun way to resolve conflict in Gensokyo.
When does she push blame on others?
She learned to fly over the course of the PC98 games, which is clear effort to improve herself. In SSiB she studied gods for self-improvement; although Yukari did stop by to tell her to do so, it's not like she was forced, or even given any motivation to do so.

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>>10885057
The reason she does nothing else is because her job is to maintain the border and resolve incidents to keep balance in gensokyo. You don't ask a musician what he would be if he didn't play music, because playing music is what he does. The fact that she drinks tea and watches clouds in her free time is a characteristic that is only boring if you make it so.

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>>10885081
> Racist/intolerant, greedy, push the blame on others
While Reimu exhibits these traits various times at various degrees, they're all best exemplified by the Tube Fox incident in WaHH.
Reimu abused the power of the Tube Foxes to get money (greedy), and when they screwed her over Reimu vowed to exterminate all youkai she meets just for being there (racist), instead of hunting those specific tube foxes down. Reimu was seconds away from blasting Mamizou the next chapter just for visiting her. Instead of acknowledging it was her own fault she got scammed by the foxes and get over it, Reimu instead puts the blame on ALL youkai in the land (pushes the blame on others).
Another example was the chapter with the fortune god. Reimu claimed she wanted to take it for herself so that her shrine would be more successful.
Also, I have played PCB. I can forgive Reimu for wanting to rob a town because the town in question was a ghost town infested with only cats and spirits. It was more looting a dungeon than stealing from people.

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>>10885057
She doesn't really have a life outside of her work. But aren't there a lot of real people like that? The manga shows a lot of minor incidents so I think she stays fairly busy.

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>>10885081
>zen attitude towards the world

She is poor because she doesnt receibe any donations, not because she wants to. Its true that she could just go and steal other people, but that doesnt mean she wants to stay poor. She is truly lazy and when she is not exterminating youkai she is just lazing around and blames others, specially youkai for people not going to her shrine. But they won't do it because she is very distant towards the village people and she doesnt fulfill her shrine maiden duties.

Im not complaining about the way she is, touhou would be very boring if the protagonist was a "Oh she is so nice" girl.
Reimu its always like "Its this incident your fault? Okay whatever, im gonna beat the crap out of you anyway

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>>10885081
Danmaku is actually genius. In a society of immortals, it would be unthinkable to actually put your infinite life on the line over some momentary conflict, so they all agree to play danmaku and abide by the results instead. For this to work, the use of deadly force should be immediately punished with an overwhelming attack by all other immortals and death.

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>>10885116
Well the fox kind of put a mental spell on her and drained her vitality dangerously. That's representative youkai behavior.

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People can say what they want about the moonbitches being bitches and all, but Lunatic Blue is a nice theme.

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>>10885126
>fox kind of put a mental spell on her and drained her vitality dangerously
Nope.

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>>10885153
Oh you're right nevermind

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>>10885090
>>10885117
Hmmm... I guess that much is true. I won't hold it against her then, though I still wonder if she has hobbies or anything.
>>10885126
Her reaction is rather extreme, though. I can't help but feel it's unfair for all the other youkai to get knocked on the head for something two jerks did who they don't even know.

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>>10884504

Fantasy hacking the biggest bitch on moon that has power including border control to unknown extents (and since she has what seems to be ALL the powers ever) doesn't sound like a good idea at all.

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Can we all agree that Reimu is fucking shit? pls

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>>10885783

She is awesome as fuck dude. She is like the woman of my dreams. Before her my ideal was a kind and gentle girls that cooks, now it's a lazy drunk girl that fist fights in the bars at night and does adventures while exposing her armpits.

I ain't even joking dude, I ain't joking so much I would still love Reimu even if she wasn't a virgin.

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>>10882777
That's like some Gilgamesh shit with Gods instead of NPs.

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>>10885783
For a MC of a japanese game, she's actually quite good.

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Are you people going to be upset when Kasen beats Reimu at the end?

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>>10890738

If its actually a decent, well written confrontation that isn't the equivalent of a big long raspberry blown in my face over the course of several parts, not at all.

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>>10890738

No.

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>>10884944
That's a god.

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>>10884123

Zun said if they really wanted to kill they would need 1/100th of the Danmaku they use in spellcards.

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>>10891398
Did he now.

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I've been looking around for a snippet of text in one of the print works, and I'm pretty sure it's from CoLA since it's Rinnosuke giving some perspective on Reimu. He says that while Reimu is stubborn as she is, she also genuinely wants to see conflicts be resolved peacefully. Anyone know what chapter I'm talking about? Might open some interesting debate.

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>>10891769

Actually I'm almost certain that's a snippet from SoPM courtesy of Miko.

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>>10891398
No doubting that, but I still wonder how much danmaku could be dangerous if done outside the realm of spellcard battles. From Marisa's edible bullets to Pagoda gamma rays to everything in between.

>>10891802
I'll check around there next. Thanks, anon.