What is the worst thing in Touhou fanon?

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Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:40:18 2013 No.10774744 [Reply] [Original]

What is the worst thing in Touhou fanon?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:42:32 2013 No.10774750 Pictures that involve fetishes I personally find distasteful.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:44:02 2013 No.10774762 Sexualizing 2hus.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:44:32 2013 No.10774760 Anything popular

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:45:47 2013 No.10774766 Killing off the canon character's personality for something stupid. Such as pussified reisen or a retardedly 'trying-so-hard-to-be-cute' youmu.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:46:47 2013 No.10774771 Touhou abuse

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:48:02 2013 No.10774778

English names. "Alice", "Flandre", "Cirno", etc.

Funny how people won't use the creator's English name for the series ("Project Shrine Maiden") but they're happy to call characters by fan names (and even mispronounce them based on an English spelling).

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:49:02 2013 No.10774783 People bitching about it

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:49:47 2013 No.10774781 the fans

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:50:48 2013 No.10774788 The community of 'fans' who find the series via Youtube videos.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:51:02 2013 No.10774792 >>10774778 >fan names Are the Touhou fighters non-canon to you?

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:55:47 2013 No.10774804

Secondaries of the highest level who don't even know there are Touhou games and think stuff like fan-vids are all Touhou is and that ZUN stole his music from McRoll.

Purists of the highest level who can't grasp the fact that not every piece of Touhou is bullet hell and that artists other than ZUN are drawing official art for games and manga.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:57:48 2013 No.10774813 Yuugi x Parsee Maybe not the worst, but I hate it.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:00:17 2013 No.10774825

>>10774792
Of course, they're fan games.

You might as well consider MegaMari canon, or Touhou Unreal Mahjong canon.

Hell, the Sakuya pads meme comes from the fighter games. You could make a case for Sakuya wearing pads to be canon if you're considering Tasofro's awful art to be an official depiction of characters. It's not too far-fetched when fanon has actually received ZUN's blessing before.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:03:17 2013 No.10774828 >>10774766 >pussified reisen Even if you explain Inaba&Inaba away, she's still officially a coward. >>10774778 So wait, are you saying Alice, Cirno and Flandre are "fan names"?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:05:17 2013 No.10774836 >>10774825 There is that purist again. I bet you were the one who was so anal about Yuugi the other day.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:06:47 2013 No.10774844

The elitism.

I see nothing wrong with people liking IOSYS videos and not being aware there are games. I thought Touhou was just an anime some weeaboo was spamming before I googled it. So what if some 14-year-old likes fun videos and music but hasn't played the games they're based on? How many Naruto anime fans have read the manga? Have Haruhi fans all read the light novels? Not to mention Touhou is a series largely known for its fan works.

Note that I do think these people are usually annoying, but it's either "lol sakuya's pads *knifed* xDDD" or pretending they *know* about the games (when they don't) that I take fault with, not the fact that they're "secondaries".

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:07:48 2013 No.10774847 This thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:08:02 2013 No.10774852 >>10774825 >Of course, they're fan games. This is how dumb you are.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:09:02 2013 No.10774856 I think all the fanon is okay personally, but some of the fans make it tiring and unfunny after a while. It's not so much the content that bother's me, it's the joke being beaten into the ground endlessly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:09:17 2013 No.10774853 >>10774844 what a gay post

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:11:32 2013 No.10774859 >>10774856 Well this is generally true for anything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:13:32 2013 No.10774864 Quick question then I'll delete my post and fuck off. I'm trying to play Touhou 12, but the z and y buttons are swapped. The key config won't let me change anything either.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:14:02 2013 No.10774865

>>10774852
Not as dumb as people who take the Wiki as gospel. ZUN has had direct involvement in other fan games. Tasofro has made other fan games. Are they not fan games now?

If "Touhou Unreal Mahjong" was listed under "Windows Games" on the front page of touhouwiki.net, you'd take it as a canonical, official game just like Imperishable Night. Most of what you know about Touhou canon is written by Pooshlmer, not ZUN. That's why you get idiots arguing about whether Youmu is half-ghost or half-phantom.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:15:02 2013 No.10774869 >>10774864 Delete your .cfg Also just to be sure: Z is supposed to be shoot and X is supposed to be bomb. Not sure how that maps to game controllers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:17:47 2013 No.10774873 File: 9 KB, 225x225, images.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Fanon > canon

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:19:17 2013 No.10774880 >>10774828 Officially a coward? She stood against everyone who entered Eientei, including a ghost who could instantly kill her, an invincible vampire, and the queen of youkai. Cut it any way you'd like, but that's not the sign of a coward.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:21:03 2013 No.10774887 Ｔhe worst thing in Touhou is everyone on /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:22:02 2013 No.10774890 >>10774825 I guess the endings ZUN drew for them are fanon shit as well DESUYONEEEE?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:22:47 2013 No.10774888 Somewhere on the internet there is a circle of Japanese mythology buffs, and they're complaining about secondary mythologists who only discovered what a kappa was because of Touhou.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:24:47 2013 No.10774893

>>10774865
Please post source of ZUN saying that say are not canon and should never be regarded as canon even if their characters later appear in other works. They are Touhou[number][name] for a reason and not just Touhou[name] like fangames. Do you think Fairy Wars isn't canon as well? What about Double Spoiler or Shoot the Bullet? They all have non integers for numbers. Does that make them not canon? Do you think none of the manga are canon because the artists also might have drawn other stuff before, including Touhou doijins?

You are the worst kind of fan, the kind who just labels everything he doesn't like as not canon. Secondaries at least just don't know any better.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:26:04 2013 No.10774898 >>10774893 >Do you think none of the manga are canon because the artists also might have drawn other stuff before, including Touhou doijins? Inaba of the Moon and Inaba of the Earth is not canon. Plastic Heart by Aki Eda is not canon.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:28:18 2013 No.10774903

>>10774844
You should still know the basics before you call yourself a fan. If someone cosplays a character, I expect them to know a couple spell cards or something. It's just incredibly annoying to see people latch onto things just because they're popular.

Mind you, this is coming from a "secondary." I've only played a small handful of the games so I won't pretend to know more than I do. I would just appreciate if others did the same. Unfortunately, most of these people do not and just regurgitate old memes.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:29:48 2013 No.10774909

The Shitty Priority List Of Canonicality!

Definitive Canon:
1) Zun statements (recent > older)
2) Zun-created canonical media
3) Plausible fanmade official media

Relevant Sources:
1) Zun-created non-canon media (eg his music in Touhou Unreal Mahjong)
2) PC-98 canon (for windows canon) or Windows canon (for PC-98 canon)
3) Implausible fanmade official media (eg most of the details in Inaba & Inaba)

Strict Fanon:
1) Non-canon fanmade media
2) Opinions
3) Memes

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:37:03 2013 No.10774939

>>10774880

Why does any of that matter considering it was a Spellcard Duel in the first place and her life was never on the line at any point in time?

Also are you saying all 4 teams went through the storyline simultaneously?

>>10774898

Oh you are the saddest and buttpainest of the faggots aren't you.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:38:48 2013 No.10774941
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>>10774898
Plastic Heart never even claims to be canon, is listed nowhere as canon and i don't think i have ever seen anyone who would even remotely think that it's canon. Why would you even bring it up? Does it somehow makes SSIB not canon because it's also drawn by Aki Eda?

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:42:48 2013 No.10774954

>>10774909
We could set up tiers like Star Wars does.

1. Z-canon or ZUN canon, the integer Windows games and statements by ZUN.
2. G-canon or game canon, the non-integer Windows games.
3. C-canon or comic canon, the main comics.
4. D-canon or dubious canon, humorous comics and PC-98.
5. N-canon or non-canon, everything YouTubers like.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:43:49 2013 No.10774957 >>10774954 That's a good idea. Someone more experienced than me should do it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:45:03 2013 No.10774963 Fanon is good, when it fills in the blank of and is coherent with canon. ZUN agreed, don't bother him about it. Fanon is utter shit when it disregards or just plainly and brutally try to overwrite the canon. good old days /jp/ agreed. End of story.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:49:33 2013 No.10774973 File: 317 KB, 494x497, kaguya.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10774954 >D-canon or dubious canon Incorporating "drunk canon"?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:53:19 2013 No.10774987 >>10774973 Didn't drunken ZUN say that Keine is as old as history/time itself? Because i remember reading something about that. This claim is probably of dubious value at best.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:53:34 2013 No.10774988 Sexualization

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:54:33 2013 No.10774991 >>10774880 Sorry dude, but she ran away from the lunar war, leaving her comrades behind. She is a coward

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:54:33 2013 No.10774992 /jp/

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:54:48 2013 No.10774994 The worst thing about fanon is that you don't shut the fuck up about how much you hate it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:55:48 2013 No.10774997 >>10774994 We've already gotten at least four layers of meta past that ITT. Try to keep up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 19:24:04 2013 No.10775138 >What is the worst thing in Touhou fanon? Shipping and yurifags

>>	Tom Sat Apr 20 19:29:04 2013 No.10775165 File: 563 KB, 850x1020, 9edfa56bdb287a4e2828f290164cfd6e0d8350f7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] "fans" who hate certain touhous just because they're popular fantard targets. seriously, who cares. you shouldn't let people get to you.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 19:51:20 2013 No.10775260
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sorry if this is off topic, but I didn't want to make a new thread.
What was the name of this character? I am really basing this off memory (which isn't very good)

Oh and to stay on topic
>The Fans

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 19:56:35 2013 No.10775282 >>10774778 >English names. "Alice", "Flandre", "Cirno", etc. Those are ZUN's own english names.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 19:57:19 2013 No.10775284 >>10774744 iTouch is a horrible meme.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 19:57:34 2013 No.10775285 >>10775282 cirno isn't even a real name, duder it could have just as easily been translated as chiruno or chillno or some shit and people would pronounce it that way

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:01:19 2013 No.10775308 >>10775260 Utsuho Reiuji, or Okuu.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:06:04 2013 No.10775340 >>10775285 He said they were fan names. They're not fan names. I don't care if you think Chiruno is more proper.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:08:19 2013 No.10775350 File: 142 KB, 700x700, anime.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10775308 >Utsuho Reiuji Thanks man Have something I drew

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:10:19 2013 No.10775363 >>10775340 did ZUN decide c-i-r-n-o? serious talk here, guy

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:13:34 2013 No.10775376 >>10775363 Yes, he did.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:14:05 2013 No.10775381 >>10775376 when/where? i mean she appeared in eosd. when was it translated?

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:15:19 2013 No.10775386

>>10775363
He did write her as Cirno in POFV and this isn't just something the Touhouwiki added because it's on every wiki, even the jp ones.

　○氷の小さな妖精

　　チルノ
　　Cirno

　　種族：妖精
　　能力：冷気を操る程度の能力

　　　普段は湖を根城としている氷の妖精。
　　　基本的に妖精なので、悪戯好きで馬鹿。

　　　花が咲き乱れてからというもの、様々な者が湖を通り、さらに妖精達もいつもにもまして騒いでいたので、自分も一緒に騒ぐことにした。

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:15:34 2013 No.10775383 >>10775381 She didn't get her English name until PoFV.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:16:19 2013 No.10775389

>>10775285
PoFV, EaLND revised.

To my knowledge, the only names without any romanization whatsoever are Renko's and Maribel's. Renko is easy to deal with since it's just straight-up kanji/hiragana. Maribel on the other hand has a difficult katakana name; fuck translating that.

Doesn't help that ZUN is internally inconsistent with some of the English names too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:17:04 2013 No.10775395 >>10775383 >>10775386 >>10775389 thanks dudes what about hong meiling and tewi? i remember /jp/ used to argue about those a lot like two years ago

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:21:34 2013 No.10775419 File: 499 KB, 640x480, th001.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10775381

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:22:34 2013 No.10775428 >>10775395 Zun has spelled Tewi here, right in her first game. 　○５面中ボス　地上の兎　　因幡　てゐ（いなば　てゐ）　　Tewi Inaba 　　種族：妖怪兎　　能力：人間を幸運にする程度の能力 As far as i know there is nothing for Meiling.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:23:19 2013 No.10775432

>>10775395
Meiling's seems to be the only name that the English fanbase really defies, as ZUN has stayed pretty consistent with Meirin. Whether it's because it looks better as a Chinese name, I dunno.

Tewi came first, but really it boils down to whether you want to preserve the ゐ. Spelled like Tewi てゐ, pronounced like Tei てい. Also applies to Tenshi Hinanawi.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:24:49 2013 No.10775443 it's tei in iamp

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:25:20 2013 No.10775447 >>10775443 fuck i mean pofv

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:26:19 2013 No.10775450 >>10775419 Looks like all the wiki-readers got told!

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:27:19 2013 No.10775454 File: 36 KB, 198x228, 1301411157225.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10775428 >>10775447 Yeah that's the trouble ○幸運の素兎　　因幡　てゐ（いなば　てゐ）　　Inaba Tei

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:28:19 2013 No.10775466 >>10775454 Great, we have two canonically valid names thanks to dialect problems! Are you guys willing to admit that transliteration isn't always deterministic yet?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:28:49 2013 No.10775465 >>10775419 Because some EOP will complain: http://youtu.be/OWn8nbgvb3o?t=1m18s Yes, it's in the unpatched game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:29:04 2013 No.10775472 >>10775450 Touhouwiki only lists chiruno as the direct transliteration. It shows cirno as the english name.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:29:04 2013 No.10775475 >>10775471 But if you pretend it's latin then it sounds like Tewi again.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:29:19 2013 No.10775471 We should call her Tevi because it's half-way between Tewi and Tei.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:30:49 2013 No.10775480 >>10775472 No, what I was referring to is the fact that PCB comes before PoFV.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:31:35 2013 No.10775487 >>10775466 he thinks dialect is a synonym for accent laughing linguists.tiff

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:32:19 2013 No.10775492 >>10775465 yeah I downloaded the demo to make sure

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:34:19 2013 No.10775500

>>10775432

For the longest time I had only ever seen Meirin used on Japanese artist's works when they included the character's names in the picture. I simply assumed it was just more silly engrish to giggle at.

Still not sure how to feel about it now though. I definitely prefer Meiling over Meirin though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:38:49 2013 No.10775535 >>10775487 Yes, because spelling is an accent issue... >>10775480 Oh, okay.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:40:05 2013 No.10775545 >>10775535 >Yes, because spelling is an accent issue... http://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:42:20 2013 No.10775548 >>10775500 There is also Hoan vs Hong which sometimes shows up.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:46:19 2013 No.10775573

>>10775500
Meirin is a straight-up transliteration of メイリン. Although going by that logic, Hong would be Hon ホン.

Also, just checked this now, but "Hong Meiling" is defensible since it stems from the pinyin romanization, which would be appropriate for a Chinese name.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:54:04 2013 No.10775617 >>10775548 >>10775573 There's also the obvious association to the Hong Dragon that fits so obviously well with her besides. Though I've no idea if that is still present in the original Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:55:34 2013 No.10775621 >>10775545 Extreme forms of Scottish are dialects, not accents.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 21:02:49 2013 No.10775648 >>10774762 Thank you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 23:03:53 2013 No.10781087 I actually heard cirno is an italian name and is roughly pronounced chirno which can easily turn into chiruno in Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 23:15:22 2013 No.10781126 LOL NEET meme kaguya fags ruining my fucking monthly Kaguya threads.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 22 00:00:37 2013 No.10781240 >>10775165 Agreed. Fucking stupid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 22 00:19:22 2013 No.10781283 The people in the "fandom". Branch out to other things at least you fucking losers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 22 02:31:53 2013 No.10781680 bully culture

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 22 02:48:43 2013 No.10781746 I hate how vocal the Touhou fanbase is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 22 04:22:22 2013 No.10781930 >>10781087 it's pronounced "see-AIR-no" with a Euro accent

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 22 04:24:52 2013 No.10781935 >>10781680 That's /jp/ exclusive not touhou.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 22 04:36:22 2013 No.10781948 >>10781746 I hate how instrumental Touhou fanbase is.

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