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10712159 No.10712159 [Reply] [Original]

kana is easy and shit, but how the hell did you manage to learn kanji?

>> No.10712163

Please don't swear.

>> No.10712168
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10712168

You don't.

>> No.10712184

come on, there has to be a way...

>> No.10712197

>>10712159
repetition repetition repetition
That's how I learned anyways.

>> No.10712199

Grammar is hard.

>> No.10712205

貴方 give 俺 an 気持ち so 惡い

>> No.10712222
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10712222

WEEABOO ALERT

>> No.10712232

Same way I learnt English spelling.

Hand writing kanji is for turbonerds, though.

>> No.10712236

>>10712232
>Hand writing kanji is for turbonerds, though.
B-But this is actually how I'm learning...

>> No.10712234

Eroge every day

>> No.10712241

>>10712236

Are you a turbonerd?

Learn to recognise them by sight, then you can also type them.

>> No.10712247

>>10712241
I find it hard to memorize things just by looking at them though, it really help to do something with them for me.

>> No.10712251

Someone please explain me why お袋 means mother

>> No.10712256

>>10712251
>袋
>bag
>mother

>> No.10712257

>>10712251
because 馬鹿 means idiot

>> No.10712260

>>10712251

袋 meant skin.

Bags were initially made of skin (leather, suede, similar).

The usage became synonymous, so even bags not made of skin were still 袋. (like how "tin" refers to an aluminium can in English)

The link is the same as with "skinship", like "one's blood" can mean a family member in English.

Probably.

>> No.10712294

>>10712251
Think of your mother's vagina as the bag that once held you inside.

>> No.10712309

>>10712294

The babby resides in the womb, not in the vagina.

The womb could be considered a bag, though.

>> No.10712408

heisig and then vocabulary

>> No.10712585

Heisig.

>> No.10712616

>>10712168
難い日本語

>> No.10713258

I wish I lived in Gintama and was part of the odd jobs gang ;_;

>> No.10713275

>>10712159
-study everyday (feels baaad but its worth), at least until you can understand enough.
-say goodbye to translations, youre gonna be in pain but its worth.

>> No.10713301
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10713301

If you have trouble with kanji you are just learning it the wrong way

>> No.10713325

>>10712616

I was actually able to read that. Hopefully I'll be able to read whole sentences before I die

>> No.10713333

>>10713301
I don't get that pic. I have never had a japanese course in my life though so I have no idea how it is taught.

>> No.10713344

>>10713333
It would be like learning the whole word, but you have no fucking idea what are those letters. You just know that the whole word means "black sabbath". You don't know how does b sound, nor how does t, h or s sounds. You just know what does "black sabbath" means. Just like japanese like to teach foreigners kanji without explaining the radicals. It's like learning a word without even knowing the whole alphabet.

>> No.10713364

>>10713333
http://kanjidamage.com/kanji_facts

>> No.10713389

>>10713344

The radicals don't reliably mean anything and trying to infer meanings of kanji from radicals is even more error-prone than discerning meanings of words from kanji. The example from here shows this well: >>10713364

Do you really expect that reading 露 as "rain-foot-each" is ever going to be meaningful except in retrospect?

>> No.10713415

>>10713301

a is a bit of a shitty letter through. The way it's hand written is significantly different o how it appears on a computer.

>> No.10713417

>>10713389
>The radicals don't reliably mean anything

Just like letters. That's the point.

>> No.10713424

>>10713417

It isn't the point, according to the link that image was pulled from. It's saying the radicals are really useful for reading the meanings of kanji (and by extension the meanings of words from the kanji).

>> No.10713435

>>10713424
>Just like English letters, radicals don't have any real meaning. And again, just like English, radicals are combined in largely random combinations to make kanji.

First goddamn paragraph. If you think it says what you just said it says, forget about learning Japanese, you have to work on your English first.

>> No.10713443

Uninstall English spelling packages and install Japanese language support

>> No.10713452

>>10713435

Yes, and then he contradicts himself.

>BUT, if you have been learning radicals, instead of 21 random chicken scratches, you see only 3 parts: rain 雨 , foot 足 , and each 各. These three radicals are combined into the one character for outdoor (露). Not only that, if you have learned those 3 radicals, you can use them to help figure out dozens of other kanji too! For example, 雨 ALSO makes 雲 霜 雪 雷. And 足 ALSO makes 踊 路 踏; 各 ALSO makes 客 落 格, and so on.

>> No.10713466 [DELETED] 

>>10713452
He didn't contradict anything. Even if the English word for computer was "tree-biscuit," it's still easier to remember "tree-biscuit" than it would be to remember "위키백-과:대문" despite the fact that trees and biscuits have nothing to with computers.

>> No.10713475

>>10713452
>BUT, if you have been learning letters, instead of 6 random chicken scratches, you see only 3 parts: "b", "u", and "t". These three letters are combined into the one character for "but". Not only that, if you have learned those 3 letters, you can use them to help figure out dozens of other words too! For example, "b" ALSO makes bat, boot, boat, beat. And "u" ALSO makes use, ruse, fuse. "t" ALSO makes cat, rat, set, and so on.

>> No.10713477

>>10713452
He didn't contradict anything. Even if the English word for computer was "tree-biscuit," it's still easier to remember "tree-biscuit" than it would be to remember a pile of chicken scratch like "컴퓨터" despite the fact that trees and biscuits have nothing to with computers.

This analogy is very loose.

>> No.10713485

>>10713466

He said "help figure out", not "remember". He's saying you can understand the meaning of unfamiliar kanji by their radicals, which is diminished pretty quickly by the example he accompanied that statement with.

>> No.10713488

>>10713452
In some sense, letters/syllables (latin, cyrillic or whatever) actually do convey some meaning as well. Rather, their sounds make words to create a faint impression what properties the item described by a word has.

For example, "a" suggests a large object, "s" thin, "b" loud and so on. There are no exact patterns, rather combinations may produce a faint hint on the meaning.

I once read an article on a research of this, where people classified a set of words by their properties (like big/small, fast/slow, loud/quiet and so on) and a trained neuronal net could indeed correctly derive properties of unknown words just from the letters and syllables.

>> No.10713494

>>10713485
>He's saying you can understand the meaning of unfamiliar kanji by their radicals

He's not. Learn English, please.

>> No.10713492

>>10713415
>The way it's hand written is significantly different o how it appears on a computer.

just like 言 and 令

>> No.10713499

why some kanji like 辿 have a extra stroke in some fonts?

>> No.10713502

>>10713499
old vs. new forms

>> No.10713507

>>10713494
>These three radicals are combined into the one character for outdoor (露). Not only that, if you have learned those 3 radicals, you can use them to help figure out dozens of other kanji too!

Here, just let me know how many times I need to quote this for you before you'll read it so I can get all over with at once.

>> No.10713511

>"a" suggests a large object, "s" thin, "b"[...]

What the fuck?
And the "d" represents a large object too by the way just tellin

>> No.10713514

>>10713511
For dick right?

>> No.10713521

>>10713507
Please stop grasping at straws.
"Figure out" in this context means "break down", "tackle", "deal with", "wrap your head around...".

>> No.10713527

>>10713488
>"a" suggests a large object, "s" thin, "b" loud and so on
you are high dude

>> No.10713528

>>10713499
>>10713502
To elaborate, new forms are used in the standardized official kanji. Old forms are used in the kanji that have never been standardized and therefore have never technically been simplified. But since both forms are (or at least should be) equivalent, font makers may use the new forms anyway for simplicity.

>> No.10713534

>>10713528
but nobody handwrite it with the extra stroke right?

>> No.10713551

>>10713521

Oh, okay. So it means exactly what I read it as. Thanks for the explanation.

>> No.10713561

>>10713551
Please tell me English is not your first language.

>> No.10713565

>>10713551
None of the synonyms provided implied that you were encountering an unknown kanji for the first time.

>> No.10713572

>comparing phonetic alphabets with logographic characters

guys pls stop

>> No.10713579

>>10713576
Your analogy does not work here since they are structurally and systematically different.

>> No.10713576

>>10713572
>help i don't know what an analogy is

>> No.10713577

>>10713572
>comparing two writing systems

It's a sin alright

>> No.10713581

>>10713572
The English alphabet isn't phonetic.

>>10713576
He's saying that it's a shitty analogy.

>> No.10713582

>>10713577
not in the way they are haplessly arguing about it, no

>> No.10713584

>>10713572
He's comparing Japanese to English. You can't really call English writing system phonetic with a straight face.

>> No.10713586

>>10713581

Closer to phonetic than these fucking hieroglyphics as far as I can tell.

>> No.10713595

>>10713534
No. There is no need to write that extra stroke.

And 示 (in 祓、祗,禊 etc.) is written like ネ if you didn't know.

>> No.10713593

>>10713586
Those fucking hieroglyphs are actually partially phonetic, at least in origin.

>> No.10713602

>>10713579
good thing none of that was relevant to the point he was making, you fucking retard

>> No.10713611

>>10713593
>at least in origin.

There's the plum. I wonder if you could learn to read them and understand the meaning without knowing how to pronounce them?

>> No.10713635

>>10713611
I have learned numerous English words without being able to pronounce them (correctly).

>> No.10713652

>>10713635
But you could still sound them out and even when pronounced incorrectly can usually still be understood.

>> No.10713693

So, what is the most effective way to learn kanji? I just grind them in Anki, the progress is slow as hell but whatever, I don't know how else can I learn them.

>> No.10713699

>>10713595
Are you sure the japs write it with ネ?
http://moji.tekkai.com/zoom/祓/page.html
Here it only appear as ネ two times

>> No.10713703

>>10713693
Don't learn stroke order or pronounciation and use mnemonics.

>> No.10713708

>>10713703
Don't learn how to pronounce them?

>> No.10713720

>>10713708
Heisig method is shit, ignore him.

>> No.10713733

>>10713703
>Don't learn stroke order
Why?
Stroke order is easy to learn and they help a lot to write kanji properly.
And without knowing stroke order you will suffer when reading a shitty handwritten font.

>> No.10713746

>>10713703
Do any of the parts in the Kanji actually teach you how to pronounce the thing?
Why would you avoid it?

>> No.10713747

>>10713708
Yes, pronounciation of Kanji has so many irregularities, it's easier to just learn the pronounciation of the words the Kanji is used in.

>>10713733
When was the last time you wrote a Kanji by hand?

>> No.10713761

>>10712251

But I thought 母 meant mother, as in ぼくわあなたの母をやる

>> No.10713771

>>10713769

Which one is most common?

>> No.10713769

>>10713761
Both お袋 and 母 can be used.

>> No.10713776

>>10713746
Most kanji technically have a phonetic component hinting how to spell them (in Chinese). Or so I'm told. It's useless for Japanese, don't bother trying to figure it out.

And don't learn to pronounce kanji, learn to pronounce words. If you really need to learn pronunciation, learn one of the words that's written with the kanji. One specific word (most will only have one anyway). Just don't bother with memorizing the entire on/kun list.

>> No.10713773

>>10713747
Sorry, I've misread >>10713733's post.
If you consider this a problem, yeah, go ahead and learn it.

>> No.10713779

>>10713771
母. I've only heard お袋 in true tears honestly. Maybe I just don't pay attention enough.

>> No.10713784

>>10713769

Wait a minute, I'm guessing there's an "O" on there because its polite, correct? Because if it is, they're not the same kanji for different things, a polite ways of refering to someones mother is a different concept to casually refering to someones mother, so it makes perfect sense for there to be two (or more) different kanji.

>> No.10713789

>>10713784
御(here written お because it's a japanese word) is a honorific prefix, but not always used in polite situations. Some words have it attached by default, like お茶.

>> No.10713794

>>10713746
Usually the right part of the kanji determines its reading.

>>10713747
>Yes, pronounciation of Kanji has so many irregularities,
It's not true.
Irregularities exist but they usually happen with very simple kanji, like 日, which you can learn easily.

By following your logic it's also useless to learn that the past form of verbs in English is radical+ed just because of some irregularities like fought, bought, ate.

>> No.10713838

>>10713794
Failed analogy. For a better one - it's just like how it's useless to try to learn English pronunciation rules when you have things like bOUght, lOUsy, dOUgh, etc.

>> No.10713847

>>10713794
>By following your logic...
No, it's not the same, stop it.

The thing is that you'll learn the pronounciation anyway, so why even bother
paying attention to irregularities if you can just learn them in real context.

>> No.10713864

>>10713699
Yes, I'm sure. In handwriting 示偏(しめすへん) is most commonly written as ネ.

Please don't write the old 食偏(しょくへん) either.

>> No.10713891

>>10713847
When you find words you don't know it's easier to just remember the reading than remember an entire word and then remember the reading of a single kanji

>> No.10713941

Heisig

>> No.10713946

Kanji damage

>> No.10713948

>>10713527
And you will die a virgin

>> No.10713953

>>10713941
>>10713946
What if I were to tell you I am just learning by JLPT level.

>> No.10713954

>>10713891

It's more effort overall to deliberately memorize readings for the edge cases in which you'll need to recall the reading of a specific kanji so you can unreliably guess.

>> No.10713955 [DELETED] 

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>> No.10713967

>>10713953
Still Heisig.

>> No.10713978

>>10713953
The order doesn't matter, just learn using Kanji Damage method

>> No.10713987

>>10713978
I have just been learning them by remembering what they look like until I know it without thinking so far.

>> No.10713990

>>10713978
Why would you suggest anyone to use Kanji Damage? I bet you don’t even do stroke order.

>> No.10713998

Why bother learning Japanese? Anything worth translating will be translated.

>> No.10714006

>>10713987
It's not like you can't do that, but I know that for me that way takes far, far longer

I just find it easier over to recognize the constituent parts that I already know and come up for a mnemonic for that rather than try to memorize "that squiggly part, plus that squiggly part" etc.

>> No.10714005

>>10713990
I do.

>> No.10714007

>>10713978
Kanji Damage is really bad, use the JLPT Kanji guide instead.

>> No.10714010

>>10714007
insolent

>> No.10714011

>>10713987
The Heisig method will teach you in which order to write the strokes, give you basic principles to help you remember them, and even does half the job for you for the first 200-300 kanji. Thanks to the way the method works, remembering them becomes easier, and you'll be much less likely to confuse kanji with each other.

I encourage you to look it up. If you use it, I suggest combining it with Anki or some other flash card program. For Anki, there are pre-made decks with Heisigs kanji available.

>> No.10714022

The good thing about Heisig is that it's fast. You can easily add 20+ kanji each day, "learning" all the jouyou kanji in about 3 months. This gives you an incredibly solid foundation to start building your vocab on.

The bad thing is that you still can't read shit once you're finished.

>> No.10714032

>>10714022
>The bad thing is that you still can't read shit once you're finished.

Yeah, that part is a bit annoying, but I think it's worth it. It just saves you so much trouble in the end.

>> No.10714028 [DELETED] 

what's better, kanji damage or heisig?

I've done like 750 kanji with heisig, but just found out about kanji damage today

>> No.10714035 [DELETED] 

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>> No.10714038

>>10714028
Keep going with Heisig. Even if Kanji Damage was better, which it isn't, you've come so long with Heisig you should just keep it up until the end.

And, you know, Kanji Damage isn't actually better. It's in fact worse.

>> No.10714043

>>10714035
u 'avin a giggle, m8

>> No.10714044

>>10713987
侍待恃特持

Are you able to avoid confusing those with each other using your visual memory alone? If so, you're a freak of nature and I'm jealous.

>> No.10714046 [DELETED] 

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>> No.10714063

>>10714044
Not him, but 待(まつ） 特（とく） and 持（もつ） are really easy to distinguish by sight. I don't know 侍 and 恃 though.

>> No.10714066 [DELETED] 

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>> No.10714067

>>10714063
>Not knowing the kanji for samurai

>> No.10714074 [DELETED] 
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10714074

NICE STROKE ORDER FAGGOT

>> No.10714079

>>10714067
When I think samurai I always think 士. I guess I learned a new kanji.

>> No.10714080 [DELETED] 

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>> No.10714085

>>10714079

that's how I learned it too.

>> No.10714096

>>10713477
ㅋㅌㅋㅌ한국어wwwwww

>> No.10714114

>>10714074
Is anyone else scared that a bully van will come by screaming mean things at you if you leave the house?

>> No.10714131

>>10714063
It's not as much about distinguishing them right next to each other, as it is about correctly identifying the single one of them seen apart from the others and without any additional clues. If you're honestly able to do this without recognizing their components... well, I stand by what I said, that's pretty incredible.

>> No.10714141

>>10714114

They drive by and honk when they're right behind you to make you jump. Wankers. Also once someone threw an egg at me and it hit me on the arse and went everywhere

>> No.10714162

>>10714114
That's just tempting them to drive into your house

Then they're going to be like "NICE WALLPAPER FAGGOT" and "NICE GAPING HOLE IN THE SIDE OF YOUR HOUSE FAGGOT"

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>>10714096

>> No.10714169

>>10714007
Link?

>> No.10714183

>>10714165
>ももせ人人殺国国も韓韓らいいち良悪ど
what?

>> No.10714199

>>10714183

I can't tell if you're serious.

>> No.10714230

>>10714169
http://www.jlpt-kanji.com/

>> No.10714297

>>10714183

i think its meant to be read western style.
though I don't know why the fuck a japanese conservative would be writing western style

>> No.10714313

>>10714165

Why would they want to do that, if their sign admits there are "good" Coreans?

>> No.10714323

>>10714044

Visual memory remembers differences, not similarities.

>> No.10714329

>>10714313
because they are koreans

>> No.10714346

>>10714329

Then surely they are bad?

>> No.10714393

>>10714044
It's a lot easier in real japanese. I can easily tell
待つ
持つ
侍
特別
apart

>> No.10715251

>>10713864
You're being retarded, that entirely depends on the person. There are plenty of people that use 𩙿when appropriate.

>> No.10715259

>>10714183
良い韓国人も悪い韓国人もどちらも殺せ

>> No.10715274

>>10714183
横書き

>> No.10715278

>>10714297
he is a secondary

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>>10714165
Maybe this guy is a fan of Muramasa.

善悪相殺

>> No.10715329

>>10715281
>unique kanji
>3086
how do you even prepare for this? add all 旧字体 kanji? i have a list that has like 700 of them.

>> No.10715339

>>10715329
It's not 旧字体, they're just tons and tons of kanji.

I think the only thing that'll "prepare" you is to read tons of Japanese novels. But really, you just gotta battle your way through it with a dictionary open in one window, and muramasa in another, while adding new shit as you go.

>> No.10715567

>>10714323
Possibly, the problem is that, when you don't divide the kanji into components, you're not teaching it differences between those few kanji, you're teaching it differences between thousands of kanji at once. So what you'll remember is not that little small thing in the right upper left corner, it's the general shape as opposed to the likes of 中 or 心 or 僕.

You're only able to start seeing differences when you're able to learn what the differences are and where to look for them. This comes with recognizing the parts that are unchanging. This comes with recognizing components of the kanji. You need to mentally group them into a cluster of "寺 on the right" first.

Admittedly, it's easy for the 寺 group anyway, but there are others. Look, I've been through this. When I first learned, I had trouble taking the likes of 発祭余 apart, so I only memorized them as general shapes. That took me a shitload of time, much more than anything else, and even though I can take them apart now, my initial "memory" persists and I may still mistake them for each other inside more complex characters (like 察 vs. 寮) at first glance. It's the worst possible method I can imagine.

>>10714393
Thankfully, this is true.

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