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[Anonymous No.]

So after reading Tsukihime I have to ask why do people say that Shiki cannot kill servants?

His eyes alone are basically a conceptual weapon, right? He can see the death of an object. So how would he not be able to see the death of a Servant?

Is there a good counter argument I'm not seeing?

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[Anonymous No.]

>Shiki can kill servants, discuss.
>Shkannon, discuss.
Do you get it now?

[Anonymous No.]

Servants are already dead and exist outside the realm of death

[Anonymous No.]

>>10702632
I do not.

>>10702634
But Shiki could still see the point of death on the undead, so why would that matter?

[Anonymous No.]

Tohno can in fact kill servants.

When he killed Arcueid, 17 cuts landed in "an instant".
This is on the same level as 5th grail war Asassin's Tsubame Gaeshi. This is in fact canon. Non only that, but Arcueid was not able to notice she was being followed, nor feel any killing intent from Tohno until the blade already killed her. This is on the same level as asassin servant presence concealment.

In the official Tsukihime manga, Shiki was capable of slicing and killing lightning shot at him by Roa. A low estimate of the speed required for this would land at 96,000MPH, which is the atmospheric discharge of lightning at denser levels (closer to lower altitudes.)

Tying together presence concealment, Zelretch level ability (flash sheath), and A class speed, Shiki could in fact stand a chance against most servants. His trump card that would place him above anything summoned under asassin card would be that he essentially has an instant kill move if he ever gets near, making him a very deadly oponent.

To use concrete evidence of Shiki proving himself time and time again, we can look at who in fact he has killed.

Nrvnqsr Chaos the 10th apostle. In one attack Tohno managed to kill all 666 of his lives.

Michael Roa Valdamjong, said to be immortal by traveling between Akasha and back, "reincarnating". Tohno severed his connection to Akasha, erasing his existance.

It's good to take note here, that Servants are tied to the Akashic record in the throne of heroes, which is what allows them to be summoned in the first place. When shiki kills a servant, they can no longer be summoned. Sounds like just the kind of person Archer was looking for.

In the "Talk" side story for Tsukihime, Tohno manged to kill the forest of Einnashe, the seventh dead apostle. He also managed to kill Einnashe's reality marble.

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>>10702661
He also kills a piece of the earth in one ending, to remove Arc's immortality, I think. He's pretty much Servant tier.

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>>10702677
Yeah, a chunk of Gaia.

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>>10702661
Alright then, I got some other questions then.

1. If Shiki looked under a microscope, would he be able to see the "death points" on individual microbes? Could he see the individual bonds between atoms?

1.5 If Shiki can cut the bonds between atoms, what happens if he "saw the death" of a hydrogen bond? Would that specific hydrogen bond be unable to form between those those two hydrophilic groups, would they never be able to create hydrogen bonds again, or would they simply reform?

2. If Shiki can stop all movement in an object, where does that energy go? Has it ever been explained?

3. Does Shiki become a servant? He seems like the kind of person who could be considered for the role.

4. Can Shiki stop a tornado by stabbing it?

5. If Shiki stabs radioactive material, does it become inert?

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>>10702693
I'm not Nasu, I'm just going by what has already been written. Going by that he can kill servants. Ryougi has been a servant in the PSP game, so I see no reason for Tohno to not be a servant as well.

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>>10702693
Not him, but I can try to offer something.

I don't know. I think this would be pretty hard to pull off, and pretty much pointless, so I'm inclined to say probably not.

When he fought Nrvnqsr, I think he managed to regenerate the lost lives until Shiki managed to kill all of his lives at once, so as long as the individual pieces remained, they should be able to regroup.

He could probably be summoned as a Servant in theory, but in practice, I imagine this would only happen if someone explicitly tried to summon him.

Maybe, but it would be very difficult, and not just because tornadoes are big, fast, and dangerous.

I'm not sure why he'd need to, but not exactly, I don't think. If it did work that way, I think it might give him cancer.

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>>10702703
>>10702715
Alright, thanks. I like trying to figure out nasu's physics.

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>>10702740
Typing it in all caps and adding XD doesn't make it any less true.

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>>10702740
the guy on the right looks pretty cool

the guy on the left thinks too hard and needs to get laid

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>>10702745
Nasu says no, nerd.