/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

So I just downloaded melty blood act cadenza and shit's mad fun. Can /jp/ recommend me any other good 2d fightan games? SLOWKING, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

Street Fighter, Guilty gear and darkstalkers

[Anonymous No.]

in b4 SWR.

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

The Marvel/Capcom versus series?

Also:

Arcana Heart > SWR >>>> Melty Blood

[Anonymous No.]

Mortal Kombat

[Anonymous No.]

>>1054898

/jp/ newf here. You're gonna have to elaborate for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1054899
>Marvel/Capcom
Credibility just went down the shitter, don't listen to this faggot.

Try Guilty Gear, don't touch the retarded 3-D one they made though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1054899
Die.

>>1054891
Immaterial and Missing Power, Eternal Fighter Zero, others.

[Comrade General No.]

Asuka 120% Burning Fest. Final is pretty darn fun to play

[Anonymous No.]

>>1054906
Its an average game that isn't worth your time, stick to the meltan and try King of Fighters or Guilty Gear maybe?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1054899
>Arcana Heart
Total shit.

[Aya Shameimaru !TENGUWdjvs No.]

>>1054906

Scarlet Weather Rhapsody. IaMP's fun too if you can deal with the 90 degree learning curve.

You better either have a lot of patience or be a complete Touhou faggot to play both games, because they're pretty rage inducing at times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1054898

No one cares about swirr anymore.

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

>>1054907
You insult the entire line of the Capcom versus series, and then go on to recommend Guilty Gear?

I'll just say you're a troll, or a person who can't recognize how similar the two game series are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1054898
>>1054899
I lol'd.

Recommending GG also.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1054906
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody. It's like someone took Touhou and fightan and stuck it in a blender of awesome.

[Anonymous No.]

Alright, thanks a lot for the quick and non-troll responses. Much appreciated /jp/.

[Chardo No.]

>>1054899

>SWR >>>> Melty Blood

[Anonymous No.]

>>1054931
You said Marvel, not SNK, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1054931
>how similar the two game series are.

Get out. Now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1054899
0/10, Don't give up! Challenge again!

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

>>1054921

Still better than Melty Blood. Let's observe both games:

- Both Arcana Heart and Melty Blood are Marvel vs. Streetfighter copy pasta. Gameplay-wise they are same shit, different toilet.
- Both have equally shitty music.
- Arcana Heart has good graphics and sprites. Melty Blood has shitty sprites, and shit graphics. It still looks and plays like an amateur video game thanks to the faggotry of Ecole.

Winner: Arcana Heart

[Anonymous No.]

wait wait wait

You guys actually read ZUN's posts? I just immediately skim over them, much like how one ignores the urban blight and homeless people while trying to take a leisurely stroll.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1054953
You no longer have the right to breath air.

Stop using it.

[Anonymous No.]

As soon as the tripfag entered, this went to troll haven. OP try Street Figher or KOF, GG, and SWR IF you're a touhoufag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1054962
Just like the urban blight, I occasionally take notice of it just for the lulz.

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

>>1054964

Don't get me wrong. Both games are terrible; I never said they were any good.

AH simply gets a 5/10 score, while MB gets a 3/10.

[Anonymous No.]

ITT same butthurt meltan fag.

OH NOES PEOPLE DUN LIEK MAH GAEMS! MUST ACT LIKE A FUCKING KID!!!1

[Dark Saber !!Q91UCZy6uN6 No.]

MvC1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MvC2

[Anonymous No.]

>>1054977
If you think SWR even merits a 2, I don't know what you're smoking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1054891
mugen...

[Anonymous No.]

>>1054982
ITT same butthurt SWR fag.

OH NOES I DUN LIEK BETTER GAEMS! MUST TROLL!!!1

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055003

No. Just no. That entire engine is a clunky mess that can only be played by absolute masters such as the likes of Ysaquerai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1054977
Stop existing.

[Anonymous No.]

OP: Scarlet Weather Rhapsody.

[Anonymous No.]

Melty Blood and SWR both suck balls

[Anonymous No.]

>>1054891
I'll just ignore the nerdfight here and say Guilty Gear and maybe Samurai Shodown (those are the ones I got into besides Melty blood).
Also, is there any translation for Act cadenza out there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055159
>Also, is there any translation for Act cadenza out there?
Seconded.
Those two you mentioned are unfortunately far worse than anything mentioned here...

[Anonymous No.]

BUMP since I never knew one had to go to /jp/ to discuss GOOD games

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

>>1054995
Same could be said about MB.

I'm surprised so many people are recommending Guilty Gear (one of my favorite series), yet put down other, more influential (original) fighters such as the Marvel vs. Capcom series. Maybe because it's more popular?

GG is the most derivative 2D fighter series ever made. It strictly borrows (steals) from Marvel/Capom, and dial-up doujn fighters like Queen of Hearts. The character designs strictly borrows from popular anime artists; there is no originality there. Even the majority of the music is just remixes of various metal/rock songs.

Go watch Giant Robo OAV. You should recognize 5 Guilty Gear characters right off the bat. The series is still better than Gurren Lagann too.

[Anonymous No.]

Mirror Moon's almost done with the MBAC translation, but they've been almost done for a while now. They've got to go in and fix a bunch of pics with text on them and theres ~1,000+

MBAC is decent. The gameplay is alright, but the music is great. Its pretty much only for people who love Type-Moon.

Guilty Gear, on the other hand, rapes. Im a hueg TM fanboi, and even I think GG is the best 2-D out there. Its hella fast and technical, it looks great, and the story is cool. Music is pro status as well. GGXX:Accent Core is the most recent and AC Plus comes out soon. You can either buy Plus as the whole game or an addon for like 1/3 the price (if u already have AC). You can also get GGXX slash (an older version) for free online play.

Street Fighter is ok, imo. but it is a classic and all that. MvC2 is pretty crap. theres only like 3 viable characters and theres infinite combos. HnK rapes, only cuz of the instant kill music

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055216
NIGGER DETECTED.

Try playing Guilty Gear. Probably too DEEP for you, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055216
So...? I rather have some animu characters and ripped rock music than megamanXstrider vs. Spider-manXCpt. Commando with 8-bit remixes in the background...
...yeah, fuck that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055229
>addon for like 1/3 the price (if u already have AC)

Wait, how does that work? You trade in your old disc or something?

[Anonymous No.]

<--the reason Guilty Gear rules

...the bag is a homage to balzac, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055253

I thought it was a reference to The Unknown Comic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1054953
gee..... arcana heart? good graphics?, the sprites have nice res and that's it. The sprites in movement aren't that fluid and I hate the backgrounds with no life

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055267
I thought the game was mainly about music references...?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055253
<--the reason Guilty Gear rules

Fix'd

Except he's terrible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055283
I DON'T THINK HE CAN USE A BASEBALL BAT, A DOOR AND A HUGE FUCKING SCALPELL TO OWN YOU CAN HE???
...the coins are cool though

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055281

So? Doesn't mean they all have to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055295
But the balzac style zodiac also only has one eye hole while the unknown comic guy has two...

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

>>1055281

Yeah, it's all music and anime references.

Slayer has the best win pose!

[Anonymous No.]

OP, I am proud to see that you want to expand your horizons. Here's a handy primer for you:

- Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo (the version available thru SF Anniversary Collection). Old as dirt but a great game to learn the fundamentals of 2D fighters on. Very well balanced at all levels of play.

NOTABLE QUIRKS: Throws are very powerful but can be teched for damage reduction/knockdown avoidance by inputting the same throw command as one is thrown. Supers are very hard to combo into, but all have startup invincibility. Juggles are very limited to very specific attacks (Ryu's jumping MP, Bison's jumping MP, Chun and Dee Jay's upkicks). Fireballs are very powerful - especially O. Sagat's.

[Anonymous No.]

- The King of Fighters ' 98 - One of the most well-rounded and easy-to-play KOF games, as well as one of the best balanced. A wide variety of characters for people who like to min-max their playing style. 3-on-3 team gameplay -- whoever loses all three characters in sequence first loses.

NOTABLE QUIRKS: Low jump is pretty much the defining feature of KOF, allowing every character access to fast and versatile overhead attacks.

You have the ability to combo into many command throws, making grappler characters generally very strong (particularly: O. Yashiro, Daimon, Clark, to a lesser extent Ralf). Advanced Mode probably the best all-around mode to play in, since you get an MB-style run, invincible rolls forward or backward (vulnerable to throws, however), and you build meter Street-Fighter-style by doing special moves rather than relying on a DBZ-style stand-and-charge-while-screaming mode.

You can cancel many basic moves even if they fail to hit or get blocked (whiff canceling), which can be useful for baiting attacks or covering mistakes when used properly.

You have guard cancel rolls or attacks to escape pressure. Juggles can be slightly unintuitive at first because certain moves will only cleanly juggle when the opponent is at a certain height, and the buffering system isn't very loose, so good timing is crucial on certain combos.

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

>>1055334

KOF'98 was always my favorite of the series.

Mark of the Wolves is still in my Dreamcast. Terry isn't Terry without his red hat and vest, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055248
idk thats what wikipedia says. maybe you udate your ac disk? or maybe its a al monster rancher style and u switch em. sounds gay but saving 30 bucks sounds great

[Anonymous No.]

I'll just put this here.

[Anonymous No.]

- Marvel vs. Capcom 2. At a casual level this game's pretty much a gas (so if you're just gonna be playing with friends, don't worry too much about it), but it gets kind of a bum rap for being messy at higher-level play, which really isn't the whole story.

MvC2 behaves very differently from most other 2D fighting games -- even the blitzier ones like Guilty Gear and MB -- because its system is INCREDIBLY freeform. You can cancel any basic attack into almost any special or super at ANY time, and instead of playing three characters in sequence you're essentially playing three characters in one, simultaneously, and trying to manage a vast area of screen space in which to land juggles and super combos in perhaps THE most permissive juggle system of all time. As a result, it LOOKS all but unintelligible to people who don't follow MvC2 very closely -- but with a little homework and a bit of sit-and-watch, the lightning-fast subtleties of Marvel begin to become a bit more apparent.

NOTABLE QUIRKS: Too many to friggin' list. If Marvel intrigues you, the best way to get acquainted with what's involved in it is to watch videos on YouTube or some crap and then hit the SRK wiki/MvC2 forums to read up on just what the hell happened besides Cable firing his gun nonstop and Storm going "HAW! HAW! HAW!" like some kind of retarded bird.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055406
I'd agree with you if, after playing MvC2 for several years now in higher-level play, I wasn't so sick of listening to Storms voice and looking at Magneto. Just looking at him float around pisses me off at this point. Don't get me started on Sentinel with his fucking joints.

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pviE-2vF5B0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4suYCnZ5doc

3S cant touch this

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055406
jab
CABLE SUPER
CABLE SUPER
CABLE SUPER

death. what a gas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055328
>>1055334
>>1055406
...thank you for that stuff, but what about Guilty Gear?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055431
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS5peqApgUA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPHXJ9NPmuI&feature=related

GUTTER TRASH!

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055406

You are a horrible, horrible person. There are some lines even I will not cross, and tricking someone into playing MvC2 is one of them. I hope someday you try to enter a church and burst into flames.

And I am still baffled by the fact that people continue to rise to ZUN's bait. He's never subtle or good at trolling, he has that whole tripcode thing to give you advance warning that the following post is full of shit, and people still respond. Amazing.

[Anonymous No.]

KoF is shit.

That is all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055405
Can't top the sexy-wheel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055406
>>1055334
>>1055328

Dude knows his shit.

[Anonymous No.]

- Street Fighter 3: Third Strike - Somewhere between Super Turbo and KOF in terms of game pace. The ease of parrying and the relatively slow flight speed, deployment, and low blockstun of projectiles means fireballing is much, MUCH less powerful than in Super Turbo. A very quirky cast with very few SF staples. Infamously powerful characters include Chun-Li, Ken, and Yun (followed closely by characters like Makoto and Dudley).

The lack of low jump makes 3S's close-up game a bit more cerebral than KOF's low jump/down-B, down-A/throw bonanza. The juggle system is surprisingly intuitive (if it LOOKS like it juggles, it almost certainly does) and rather free-form compared with KOF, though not nearly as permissive as Guilty Gear/MB.

Parrying is really at the heart of 3S - if you can parry the attacks your opponent most frequently employs, you can eat predictable people for breakfast -- but by that same token, you have to really know how to break your rhythm in order to avoid getting parry punished every time your character twitches.

NOTABLE QUIRKS: Besides parrying, most characters have one or more MB-esque chain combo strings, canned strings which may or may not actually combo. Some of these chains are useless (Ryu), others are absolutely crucial to characters' gameplay (Dudley, Ken, Ibuki). Unlike other SF games, instead of multiple supers, you can only "equip" one super art at a time when you pick your character. Some supers are INFINITELY better than others (Ken's SA3, Chun's SA2, Yun's SA3), but with other characters you may be able to get different utility out of varying supers (Ryu's SA1 vs SA3, Dudley's SA1 vs SA3).

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055460

>>KoF is THE shit.

Fixed.

Admittedly, most of the KOF games are kinda spotty except for '98, 2k2, and to a lesser extent XI. But oh man, '98 is among the most amazing games I've ever played, both in terms of technical merits and overall atmosphere. No matter who I play and what characters I use, I never fail to get pumped.

[Anonymous No.]

when did this become /v/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055457
slow and boring. yeah you would link justin vs daigo.

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

>>1055454
C'mon Anon, I feel that MvC2 is a piece of shit too, especially when compared to the previous games in the Marvel/Capcom series.

You would be a fool to say that Guilty Gear or Melty Blood is any better, though. A statement like that reeks of inexperience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055485
when /v/ became /fps/ or more like /halo/

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZZUMjoxfZA

The only good thing Marvel will ever be good for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055502
You've never been to /v/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055502
there isn't THAT much halo on /v/, loads of Stalker though

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055536
yeah, i know, but my point is, it's full of fps-shit.
Real men play arcade games.

[Anonymous No.]

- Guilty Gear XX and subsequent revisions -- It's unlikely you haven't heard of this, but there it is. Some of the kookiest characters ever in a fighting game, in a very fast game with a VERY intricate system. Cheesy but lovable '80s metal accompanies your wacky melees with trap shota-nuns with yoyos, 9-foot-tall ex-serial-killer doctors with paper bags over their head, and a guy who shoots fire who's totally gay for the guy who shoots lightning. (Seriously. I used to LAUGH at the SolxKy crowd until I took a look at the OFFICIAL artwork by Ishiwatari. They are practically reaching down each others' pants in certain pieces.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055554

NOTABLE QUIRKS: The Guilty Gear system is full of ALL KINDS of minutiae, and has only gotten more involved as later revisions have come along. First of all, there's Roman Cancel, which allows you to use super meter to cut most of your moves off mid-animation when they otherwise couldn't be cancelled, which is crucial to extending many characters' staple combos. There's also False Roman Cancel, a move-specific Roman Cancel with a strict timing window that costs much less meter and offers monstrous utility in most moves that have it. There's the Dust Attacks, which are overhead moves that put the opponent in a special launch state with a "homing" jump afterwards for a free air combo. And of course there are the Burst attacks, invincible moves that can be used on their own or WHILE YOU'RE BEING COMBOED to break loose and regain momentum (but they have very long "cooldowns" that prevent their abuse). The minutiae of hit-states in juggles are what makes Guilty Gear really kind of a pain in the ass to learn -- wall bounces, clean hits, wall sticks, ground slides, slams, OTGs, varying juggle gravities -- Guilty Gear has a much wider array of hit states to take account for than, say, MvC2. Depending on what character you pick, you may have to learn a bunch of arcane combos to whoop maximum ass, or you may be able to get by with a few short juggles and strings.

That covers my personal favorite 2D FIGHT MAN GAEMS. Go forth and conquer, OP!

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055544
It's not full of FPS at all.
It's full of trolls and fanboys, but not FPS fans.

[not op No.]

>>1055554
>>1055563
Thanks man that helped me

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055563

THANK YOU SIRE

[Magister !J.hpxLWh4g No.]

If you like Touhou, you'll love SWR. It's fun to play at any level, and watching lolis hit each other is fun incarnate. If you're into fighting games for the mechanics, then don't. Meltan or IaMP is a lot better for that. Even then, most people here only play because other people on /jp/ play. MvC2 is broken at high level play(read: broken altogether), it's just a matter of who catches who first. GGXX is hands down the best fighting system around, but a small difference in skill is enough to make an entire match one-sided. SF 3rd Strike is just as good at a slower pace. KoF games force you to be very agressive to do well, but I think they're good for whatever kind of fightan you're looking for.

Not like this stuff hasn't already been said in the thread several times, but I figure more votes in a particular direction can't hurt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1056515
oh fuck off

[Anonymous No.]

>>1055563
My god, this is why I hate fighting games; this reads like a goddamn esoteric religious text.

I appreciate the skill involved, but goddamn, no thanks for me. I'll stick to my shmups.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1056515

Magister come back to #swr we (I) miss you. The IRC server's back up if you didn't notice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1057584

I know what you mean, but I will say that unlike most fighting games, GG is really fun at all levels of play. It was the only game I could ever get my sister to sit down and play with me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1057584
If you want simple, bare bones fightin' without combos or fancy cancels or any of that shit, while still maintaining a lot of play depth, pick up a Samurai Shodown game (preferably II or V Special).

Note: Only fun against other people.

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

>>1056515
>>MvC2 is broken at high level play(read: broken altogether), it's just a matter of who catches who first. GGXX is hands down the best fighting system around, but a small difference in skill is enough to make an entire match one-sided.

Once again: GGXX is just as "broken" as Marvel. 75% damage combos do not belong in any fighting game. It's only common sense.

By the time Arc Systems started to tweak GGXX with new versions, most of the Japanese stopped giving a shit about the game. Hence, they're pumping out new content now, like BlazBlue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1057634
>75% damage combos do not belong in any fighting game. It's only common sense.

Personally, I like how the diary update on tasofro's site shows a screenshot of Suika doing a 7.8k damage combo.

There ARE acceptable times for them to exist, but they have to be stupid hard to get and involve the opponent doing something incredibly, mindbogglingly dumb. Unfortunately, most of them aren't like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1057641

It's not a combo, it's just drizzle and Massacre Everyone. Like she needs a 5-card unblockable buff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1057634

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[Magister !J.hpxLWh4g No.]

>>1057566
My views are a professional opinion that is radically different from the rest of the thread. You must read only my opinion and chuck the others out the window.

>>1057587
I'd love to if only my client would let me connect. It simply won't work. I've tried other computers and it still can't connect no matter what computer I'm using. I'm stuck using the online chat.

>>1057634
Like >>1057641 says, that kind of stuff is all situational. In MvC2, it's not. You can easily force people into that kind of thing. High level matches often have Perfects or near-Perfects, because once you manage to pin someone down, it's over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1058934
I've had that problem many times. Turns out the problem was that I was trying to connect to "Mizuumi" instead of "irc.mizuumi.net"

Perhaps that may be the problem?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1057594

The Last Blade 1 and 2 also. Not as bare bones as SamSho, but incredibly fun for casual play. Unfortunately the deflection thing is pretty broken at more serious levels of play, but goddamn those games are amazing. Easily two of my favorite fighting games ever.

[Magister !J.hpxLWh4g No.]

>>1058957
No, the server location is correct. I can't figure out what it could be. It worked one day, and now it doesn't, no matter where I am. It's alright though, the online chat serves the same purpose.