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How do you definite primary and secondary /jp/? What is the line that divides them in your opinion?

>> No.10529033

>>10529031
*define

>> No.10529035

posting on /jp/

>> No.10529036

primary is grades 1-3 (often now kindergarten - 3), so kids aged 5 - 9. After that comes elementary school (although these are often combined. If not, the older one is often called a "middle" school). Secondary school is basically the same as what most call high school. usually grade 8 (or 9) to 12, or ages 14 to 18. A Junior High is grades 8 (or 9) to 12, and Senior High is grades 11 and 12.

>> No.10529040

>>10529031
making threads like this

>> No.10529044
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10529044

If you don't know the answers to such questions mean that you are a secondary indeed.

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>>10529036
Thanks for the informative post.

>> No.10529059

>>10529044
I can 1cc several of the games on normal and I don't really keep up with the memes or any of that. Just wondered what /jp/'s definition was. I've only been playing for a month.

>> No.10529064

>>10529059

Please lurk more.

>/ghost/

>> No.10529083

>>10529059
Geesus...

Primary - STG fan. Secondary - anime fan.

And if you're neither and just like porn or reposting hilarious reaction images depicting Touhous, you may be a tertiary. But that's unofficial.

>> No.10529089

>>10529083
What if I like the games, but I'm terrible at them?

>> No.10529090

>>10529083
I mainly just play the games. That was the main draw for me. Thank you for actually answering.

>> No.10529092

>>10529083
None of that is official. Japanese fans only use the terms to distinguish between canon and non-canon works, not people. It was the English speaking community that decided to use it to alienate people.

>> No.10529136

>>10529089
Everyone is.

>> No.10529272
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10529272

>>10529031
simple

Do the recognize the PC-98 games?
and to they see them as canon?
and do they play them?
If yes to all these questions..

then they are a primary!

>> No.10529308

Primary is someone who really cares about the games and the story and can clearly distinguish between canon and not canon work.

Secondary is someone who only cares about memes and fanwork and cannot distinguish between canon and not canon work.

Just enjoying lots of fanwork does not make you a secondary.

>> No.10529354

>>10529308
You win.

>> No.10529598

>>10529308
So, someone who thinks Kaguya is a NEET is a secondary, right?

>> No.10529788

>>10529598
Yes.

>> No.10529795

I don't care about the games, I just sometimes see nice pictures of little girls that I can masturbate to. I do this with lots of things, not just touhou.

I don't discuss it and consider myself a secondary, but I don't see it as a bad thing.

>> No.10529801

I'm a tertiary. I don't like Touhou in any form but I'm posting in a Touhou thread anyway.

>> No.10529828

There's a precise definition, you know.

People who're fans of THE ACTUAL GAMES are "primaries."
People who're fans of other do-it-yourself/fanmade material aside from the official games are "secondary" fans of touhou. In particular flash vids like "Marisa Stole the Precious Things"

The moar you know.

>> No.10529829

>>10529788
Most touhous are NEETs though.

>> No.10529837

>>10529828
What if you like both? Can't you like both?

>> No.10529849

>>10529837
I am of this category, though I can't abide the popular shitty flashes and vocal arranges that ruin the originals.

>> No.10529851

>>10529828
What do you define as "THE ACTUAL GAMES"?

I'm shit at STG, but I play the fighting games regularly, and I value the official characterizations over any of the fan shit.

Really though, primary/secondary is just a way for posters to label other people in order to feel superior. You only ever see "primaries" making a big deal out of it. They want to feel more important than "Secondary casuals".
Might as well be /v/.

>> No.10529852

Primary:
Learned Japanese just to play VNs.
80 days+ watched of anime
Knows that 2hu is overrated crap similiar to MLP.
Secondary:
2hu trash fanatic, likes it for the characters and plot and not the gameplay.
Doesn't know Japanese.
Frequently posts in the VNTS sucking Ixrec's dick.
Cries about being too dumb to learn Japanese.
Watched around 30 days of anime and calls oneself an otaku.

>> No.10529862

>>10529837
>>10529849
>>10529851
See, there's this thing? And it's called "reading comprehension," boys.

>> No.10529871

If you like Cirno you are objectively a secondary and should just leave /jp/.

>> No.10529867

>>10529862
My bad, I just skimmed it, it was too long to read.

>> No.10529872

>>10529852
>80 days+ watched of anime
Everyone who have played at least 5 VNs know that anime sucks.

>> No.10529874

Secondary is when you don't use the source material (the original one)
Let's use Steins;Gate as an example - has both VN and anime

VN is primary
Anime is secondary

/a/ is full of secondaries, yes.

In case of touhou it's game vs. fan art.

>> No.10529879

>>10529872
Doesn't matter. It's part of the otaku mediums. And besides, you could consider it as a possible build up to the VNs.

>> No.10529886

Can you be a tertiary or even a quaternary?

>> No.10529912

Canon knowledge, if you didn't read any of ZUN emails and comments then you're still a secondary.

>> No.10529919

Primary: plays the games (or has at least tried to)
Secondary: doesn't play the games, only cares for art/etc (or has only played EoSD/PCB)

>> No.10529935

>>10529886
Yes, if you call yourself a Touhou fan and don't even know that there are games and other canon materials.

A secondary has at least heard that there are games.

>> No.10529959

I've played all the games though I suck at them, I've written a lot of fanfiction, I've read the translated non-game works (books, interviews and shit) and I browse pixiv for 2hu pictures regularly.

What does that make me other than a faggot?

>> No.10529975

>>10529959
Don't worry, you're not a faggot. You're just a Shannon = Kanon = Beatrice.

>> No.10530013

If you don't play for score, you're a secondary.

>> No.10530070

Is there anything wrong with being a secondary?

>> No.10530077

>>10529935
I think tertiary would be a fan of Seihou or something else inspired by Touhou.

>> No.10530086

>>10530070
Not really, as long as you are not going into tertiary territory (annoying retard HONK HONK CHEN, obsessed with IOSYS flashes and other shit like that, who doesn't even know there are games - and I mean official games).

>> No.10530169

>>10530077
Is this a bad thing that I had to google Seihou?

>> No.10530267

>>10530169

... oh my god...

>> No.10530333

Primaries take part in canon materials such as reading manga and playing games, they can take part in fanmade material and still be primary.
Secondaries don't take part in canon materials and only take part in fanon. Claiming to be fans but usually know little to nothing of the series. You can usually see these people on IOSYS videos in youtube comments spewing epic memes and autism in full force. /jp/ is also full of secondaries. Usually when caught in their secondary-ness will reply to a post saying "but how are you scores?" in retaliation to being filthy primate scum.

>> No.10530382
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10530382

Is it bad if i like the fighting games more than the bullet hell ones? i still like the bullet hell ones enough to beat them on normal.

>> No.10530386

>>10529083
dude i just like cute pictures

>> No.10530401

>>10530382
Touhou was originally supposed to be just a fighting game, so it's OK.

>> No.10530403

>>10529828
I like both.

>> No.10530405

>>10529036
What the heck are you talking about?

Elementary school is for kids aged 6-11 aka true lolis.

>> No.10530409

>>10529795
I can't masturbate to Touhou lolicon.

It feels like they aren't really little girls. I want human ones.

>> No.10530410

>>10530405
A loli can be any age. It's about what's on the inside.

>> No.10530413

>>10530405
School grade systems aren't uniform everywhere.

>> No.10530417

>>10529136
Secondary isn't automaticly a negative term.
I know someone who doesn't likes STG, but he at least tried to play touhou and cares alot about canon, and about what is just silly fanon rambling or not.

Of course many secondaries are the kind of people who make comments like "Cirno is a baka xD" on youtube comments while never actually having faced her or any boss for that matter

>> No.10530421

>>10530410
I wouldn't call a little girl who got polymorphed into 40 year old man a loli.

>> No.10530422

>>10529872
This.

>>10529879
No. Anime adaptations spoil the plot for you. Only a fucking retard would watch the adaptation first.

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10530426

sexualize the touhous is the most secondary thing to do, threads like Sanae is a slut are full of secondaries

>> No.10530432

>>10530426
It's only natural for people to want to be part of a epic maymay.
Has something to do with human herd mentality I think

>> No.10530489

A secondary is someone who isn't familiar with Touhou canon. For example, it's typical for secondary to think there are no men in Gensokyo.

>> No.10530523

>>10530489
Wouldn't that already be tertiary?

>> No.10530530

is there another thing not touhou-related to say someone is a secondary?

>> No.10530607

>>10530422
>>10529872

You guys do realize that there's original anime right? I'll never understand why /jp/ is so against anime. It's just another medium to entertain to me.

>> No.10530602

>>10530530
I don't see why it shouldn't apply to other things, for example people talking about and liking an anime character even though they never actually watched the anime

>> No.10530618

>>10530607
Because most anime are not very well done and used mainly as cashgrabs

>> No.10530625

>>10530618

Well yeah, but that doesn't make it true of all anime. It's certainly true that it's more a business than an art these days though.

>> No.10530628

>>10530607
I do understand that and even complained a few times that we shouldn't hate original anime. It should have a place in /jp/, far away from /a/'s shit. But everyone insulted me.

It's funny, because one of the most harmful anime adaptations ever created (Higurashi) is welcomed in /jp/ and you can't complain about it without people jumping at your throat. I fucking hate this place.

Well, let's talk about Higashi no Eden or something.

>> No.10530631

>>10530618
Did you even read his post? Most anime isn't original anime.

>> No.10530635

>>10530607
I don't know where you get that from. Most people here are probably fans. This stuff goes hand in hand.

>> No.10530642

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL4soX9ml2E

stay in the primary, /jp/

>> No.10530653

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKMhQbeh1Ms

in the primary

>> No.10530655

>>10529871
Add Flan and I agree with this.

>> No.10530677

>>10530655
>>10529871
So by liking a certain character you somehow never played the games?
That doesn't makes any sense

>> No.10530683

>>10530677
Those are true secondaries in full force. Ignore them.

>> No.10530702

>>10530677
Liking them is ok. Spewing maymas about them like some retard isn't. Cirno baka, HONK Chen etc. just got the most popular and hated.

>> No.10530820

>>10530489
You're a /jp/ secondary.

And most probably a Touhou secondary, like 99% of us. Instead of trying to redefine the terms to not include you, stop being ashamed of what you are.

And many actual primaries are just as likely to be unaware of Touhou canon. We all know how little game dialogues have to do with the actual underlying story.

>>10530607
Nothing against anime. As long as it stays on /a/.

>>10530530
Niwaka. If you don't mind using gratuitous Japanese.

>> No.10530830

>>10530820
Niwaka is a terrible term, I don't understand why people even insist on using it.

>> No.10530874

>>10530820
>Nothing against anime. As long as it stays on /a/.
But /a/ is full of normals and retards who watch anime adaptations. I want to discuss original anime in /jp/.

Fuck you.

>> No.10530883

>>10530874
Nobody cares about your personal grudges, anon.

>> No.10530894

>>10530820
> Instead of trying to redefine the terms to not include you, stop being ashamed of what you are.
he should sit and stew in his shame, not cast it aside

>And many actual primaries are just as likely to be unaware of Touhou canon. We all know how little game dialogues have to do with the actual underlying story.
but then you'll never know how the stories end

>> No.10530935

/jp/ a shit

>> No.10530985

>>10530820
>And many actual primaries are just as likely to be unaware of Touhou canon.

That sounds incredibly stupid and at best makes you just a fan of Shoot 'em ups and pretty patterns. Who would call himself a primary fan of Touhou yet know nothing about the canon and plot? You can't be primary and not have interest in the plot/canon at the same time. Touhou isn't just some bullet patterns after all.

>> No.10530999

>>10530883
/a/ has inherent problems of /b/ faggotry, though. Like get threads that get hundreds of reactions, endless chains for threads for one series where the participants long since covered everything worth talking about, people who are in their late teens and only watch psychological anime, looking down on people who watch cute girls doing cute things, when in reality the people who they look down on have seen everything they have seen. People who actually read and enjoy the big three and look down on people who think lesser of them because they're elitists. People who go around advertising their hobbies to the world and looking down on people who frown on it as insecure. People who watch anime adaptations before the VNs themselves. People who do that, then move on to the VNs, but skip the portions the anime "covered", like skipping right to HS. People who are still in high school. People who hate every new slice of life anime that comes along as if it's the first of the slice of life genre. People who think Evangelion is the greatest anime of all time. Moralfags. Normalfags. Normalfags who try to be behave as if they belong, and people with waifu do not. Normalfags who use virgin as an insult.

>> No.10531016

>>10530999
>people who actually read and enjoy the big three
what's wrong with that

>> No.10531080

>>10530830
Sure, just noting it exists.

>>10530985
>just a fan of Shoot 'em ups

Precisely. The term was never supposed to mean "true fan" or anything like that. It was supposed to describe a shmup fan in a way condescending to non-shmup fans.

>>10530999
Yeah, we know, /a/ sucks. Trust us, we know. But go complain about it somewhere else.

>> No.10531104

>>10531016
OBJECTIVELY BAD MUH CULTURE WE DON'T WANT CASUALS OBJECTIVELY BAD MUH CULTURE WE DON'T WANT CASUALS OBJECTIVELY BAD MUH CULTURE WE DON'T WANT CASUALS OBJECTIVELY BAD MUH CULTURE WE DON'T WANT CASUALS OBJECTIVELY BAD MUH CULTURE WE DON'T WANT CASUALS OBJECTIVELY BAD MUH CULTURE WE DON'T WANT CASUALS

/a/ In a nutshell. I don't like Naruto too much nor Bleach. They've been milked dry. One Piece is legit however. Still, they're so easy to troll that I get the popcorn with every new Naruto chapter released, just to watch grown men behave like retards.

>> No.10531123

>>10530999
This is a very good summary of why /a/ is no good these days. I know exactly what you mean with every point. It's like you took the words right out of my mouth.

>> No.10531175

>>10530999
http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/27185769/
be honest with me; did you write this?

>> No.10531204

Primaries are people who consider the official works first while defining a character.
Secondaries don't know or don't care about what the characters are in the official works.

It has nothing to do with playing the games, like some people believe.
There are people who play the games and are primaries but there's also a lot of people who play them and are complete secondaries (it seems that the most play translated games and skip the dialogues).

>> No.10531231

christ you people are dumb

secondaries are people whose experience with touhou is almost totally through secondary creations
primaries are people who aren't said secondaries

it is not that fucking hard

>> No.10531232

>>10531104
It should be punishable by death to not realize that "objectively bad" is an oxymoron when referring to entertainment

>> No.10531238

>>10531232
This so much. Except for stuff that is obviously objectively bad.

>> No.10531247

primaries are people who aren't secondaries

>> No.10531244

>>10531231
>christ you people are dumb
Says the child with no punctuation.

>> No.10531248
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10531248

Secondary you say....

>> No.10531259

>>10531247
and secondaries?

>> No.10531261

>>10531247
so everyone in the world is either a primary or a secondary?

>> No.10531267

>>10531248
Alright, bloggin time!
How did you /jp/sie loosahs get into 2hu anyway?

>> No.10531268
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>>10531248
the secondary catchphrase

>> No.10531272

>>10531244
i'm sure you can fill in the blanks for me

>> No.10531273

>>10531238
Even then only the aspects that can be measured with units are "objectively bad". The whole product as a whole is still measured strictly subjectively: the viewer either likes it or doesn't.

>> No.10531276

>>10531248
but almost everyone likes a character because of her theme song.

>> No.10531278

>>10531259
people who aren't primary

>> No.10531282

>>10531267
I got into Touhou because i watched some Let's Plays done by Cloud8745.

>> No.10531284
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10531284

>>10531261
>>10531261
Yeah got a problem with that?

>> No.10531290

>>10531276
I like Futo, but i think her theme song is the weakest stage 5 boss theme.

>> No.10531300

>>10531290
Well, 5th stage themes are usually the most exciting, I like Youmu but her boss theme is not that known by the youtubers, for good.

>> No.10531371
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10531371

What if I like the games a lot, but still get more enjoyment out of the enormous quantity of fan-content?

>> No.10531385

>>10530607
It's not just adaptations that are shit, most original anime are the same generic shit.
And when an above average anime is aired a lot of retards make it sound like it is some divine shit.

>> No.10531395

>>10531385
Perhaps you just don't like the medium.

>> No.10531425

>>10531385

Maybe you're just looking in the wrong places. There's lost of great original anime out there. Maybe >>10531395 is right though and you just can't find the good points

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10531434

You guys are actually arguing about a distinction that /jp/ made up. While we're at it, maybe we could clear up the difference between truNEET and flaseNEET.

>> No.10531447

>>10530830
If you play for score you are a STG enthusiast. Touhou comprehends more than the STGs.

Being a primary is about playing the games (doesn't matter if you can 1cc or not), reading the canon works and taking said canon facts into account when discussing the series. It's about assuming, and wanting to enjoy and learn about the entire disposal of canon material there may be, about wanting to discuss and question, or accepting discrepancies between works.

And as an anon said above, enjoying a lot of fanworks doesn't make you a secondary. And a primary can become a secondary and vice versa.

Being a secondary is just liking Touhou because the characters, or the music, or the setting, or whatever, but without WANTING to learn about canon facts. It's not about knowing or not, because knowledge will be acquired with time, it's about caring of learning that there is more behind the cute girls and cool music.


Well, bye.

>> No.10531604

>>10531371
Can you add Krauss into that picture?

>> No.10531897

>>10530631
Read the bible
>Nothing new under the Sun.

>> No.10531931

Is it bad that I like 2hu yet I know next to nothing about it?
Don't get me wrong, I've been trying desperately to get more informed, even played some of the games.

The info just seems a little vague though, sorry for asking such a pleb question.

>> No.10531949

>>10531931
try the wiki
moron

>> No.10531952

>>10531931
>pleb

Oh my god, he said "pleb"!
How cute!

>> No.10531957

>>10531931
http://wakaba.c3.cx/w/gensokyo

Written just for infininaries like you.

>> No.10531959

>>10531949
Thank you.
>>10531952
Yup.

>> No.10532069

>>10529272
zun is not primary

>> No.10532076

>>10531957
It needs to be updated.

>> No.10532166

>>10531371
That is a great picture.

>> No.10532199

The term secondary came from what Japanese call derivative works. Often derivative works are split into the secondary and tertiary works. The secondary works are based off the source material, while the tertiary works are based off of the secondary works. Secondary works tend to try to portray many aspects of Gensoukyo accurately while making more personal decisions to depart from it. Tertiary tend to be based on fanon and/or be pornographic. Secondary became a term for fans who are not familiar with the source material, but are familiar with secondary works. Tertiary is used to describe fans who are mainly familiar with tertiary works.

Sometimes it can be hard to clearly distinguish a secondary and tertiary work because some pieces of fanon began as individual interpretations of characters actions and personalities that began to catch on with others and get reinforced by them. A good example of this would be the tsundere portrayal of Alice, which began as an interpretation of her dialog in IN which authors would even explai in the afterword what made them interpret it that way, but became a bloated fanon meme that never discusses the source material.

>> No.10532201

>>10531276
That's not true

>> No.10532207

>>10531957
Why doesn't it make a single mention of the spellcard rules?

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