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Old thread: >>10483212

Talk about Touhou and other STGs. Chat with fellow players, blog about your progress, plead for help on problematic spots, and so on.

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New challenges for this thread!

Scoring challenge: PCB Extra
1. Every shot-type is welcome
2. The run must be done within the thread, no old scores.
3. Either screenshots or replays will be required for posts with scores.

Special challenge: No-Focus PCB Normal/Lunatic on SakuyaA
1. Tiebreaker on clears will be lives > score
2. You're only allowed to play on SakuyaA
3. The run must be done within the thread, no old scores.
4. Replays will be required for posts with submissions.

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Previous challenges winners:

Scoring challenge: SA Normal Stage 5
92,834,690 (ReimuA) >>10500218

Special challenges: EoSD Normal and Lunatic without Vertical movement
Normal: Clear, 5 extra lives >>10491594
Lunatic: Scarlet Gensokyo >>10489714

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You have time for until this thread ends (i.e. it hits the bump limit).

Congratiulations to the winners, and thanks for participation, everyone.

>> No.10507093
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10507093

Start a new game, fuck up,die, no reason to continue.

Why can't I enjoy touhou without a perfect run ?

>> No.10507260

>>10507093
because you touch yourself at night.

>> No.10507288

>>10507086
>No-Focus PCB Normal/Lunatic on SakuyaA
why the fuck

>> No.10507351

Here's my PCB Extra run...

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=27028

>> No.10507517

>>10507288
As I have stated before, I usually pick challenges from things people around me (/jp/, the uploader, a few IRC channels) are doing, unless there are requests. I might also just pull some challenges out of my hat, in the case there is nobody to inspire.

You must also remember that with the special challenges, my variety is really low due to having to pick only from a select few things. I would personally like to use max grazing, stage practice scoring and such things in the specials, but as I was requested earlier not to do so, I'm trying not to.

Obviously, suggestions and ideas are always welcome.

>> No.10508102

>>10507093
because you suck :V

>> No.10508109

>>10507517
Crimzon Clover Unlimited mode survival.

>> No.10508116

>>10507093
because your ass smells nice

>> No.10508120

Shuusou Gyoku is fucking unfair, I naturally try to deathbomb and 90% of times end losing a bomb from the next Life, what the fuck, the pc98 shrumps hadn't this shit.

>> No.10508155
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10508155

I dream of a day when Crimzon Clover is more popular than Touhou on /jp/.

Someday. Someday.

In other news I should see if Pixiv has posted fanart of it yet.

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>>10508155
>Someday. Someday.

Hah.

>> No.10508178

>>10508120
There is no deathbombing in it. Bomb sooner, you spoiled brat.

>> No.10508186

>>10508178
I know there's no deathbombing, but why fuck it lets me bomb 0.1 seconds after dying using a bomb from the next life.
I'm about to drop extra stage for this shit.

>> No.10508201

My extra run.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=27030

>> No.10508277
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>>10508155
is this a touhou

>> No.10508606

I just spent about an hour playing MoF Stage 4 and I still didn't beat it without losing most of my lives.

Are there any drills I can do to form better dodging habits?

>> No.10508626

>>10508606
play StB and DS.

>> No.10508632

>>10508626
StB is Shoot the Bullet.
What is DS?

>> No.10508633

>>10508606
- Play a higher difficulty
- Keep practicing the patterns that give you difficulty
- Make sure to play a bunch of different things instead of just the same game for the sake of variety and for picking up some extra skills along the way

>> No.10508640
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10508640

First lunatic 1cc ever!! I can not even remember last time I was this happy. I didn't even play seriously, and then all of a sudden I was at stage 5 with a decent amount of lives.

I must celebrate this. There is only one first.

>> No.10508641

>>10508632
DS is like STB but more bakoi!

>> No.10508649

>>10508640
Congrats.

>> No.10508653

>>10508640
Badass! Great job mate

>> No.10508656

>>10508633
I guess I'll rotate through some games. I wasn't sure about upping the difficulty since I keep dying within the stage, rather than on the boss (Though the few times I made it to Aya I get wrecked by that timeout spell)

Also for OP's Special challenge, Is it supposed to be so brutal. I gave it a shot and it took forever to even kill Letty.

>> No.10508659

>>10508640
Grats.

>> No.10508666

>>10508640
Got a replay?

>> No.10508740

>>10508666

Okay, here it is:
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=27035

>> No.10508857

>>10508656
SakuyaA's unfocused shot will be taking ages to kill anything and it was tin purpose.

Normalmode was included to make it more approachable for everyone, but the lunatic is supposed to be somewhat difficult, yes.

>> No.10508859

>>10508740
Heh, I just realized I haven't gotten UFO yet.

>> No.10509013

>>10508606
hold bomb for invincible movement

>> No.10509563

>>10509013
If I could bomb more often I would be much better off. Unfortunately I don't keep a finger on the button and even when I do, my laptop limits the amount of keys I can press which spells death for me if I was focused.

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10509949

Streaming some Touhou!
www.twitch.tv/nindella

>> No.10509955

>>10509949
It's been too long.

>> No.10510043

>>10509563
Learn to press bomb and lift your other fingers in one move then.

>> No.10510152

i cant play any touhou games unless i unplug my 2nd monitor, anyone know how to fix this

>> No.10510162

>>10510152
Unplug your second monitor.

>> No.10510164
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>>10510162

what if i'm a lazy fuck

>> No.10510168

>>10510164
Don't plug it back in, one should be enough.

>> No.10510358

>>10510152
Start the games in windowed mode then maximize to fullscreen.

Update drivers.

>> No.10510894
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10510894

Can someone explain this?

>> No.10510906

>>10510894
The bullet hitbox is smaller than the sprite.

>> No.10511111

>>10510894
"objects in danmaku are not as large as they appear"

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>>10511111
>>10511111
>>10511111
>>10511111
>>10511111

>> No.10511176

>>10510894
The hitboxes are always circles, which is why knives have such bullshit hitboxes, the hilt is the dangerous part. Also, normal touhou bullets are smaller than the sprite in proportion to something like the square root of the radius of the sprite or something weird like that. I read about it a long time ago, it's why the really big bullets are so safe.

>> No.10511192

>>10511176
so if the bullet sprite is less than a pixel, then the hitbox is larger than the bullet?

>> No.10511201

>>10511192
If it's less than a pixel, it's 0 pixels and anything is bigger than it.

>> No.10511266

>>10510894
Just HOW tiny are the actual bullet hitboxes in this game? I recall a patch that displayed the "true" bullet hitboxes, but I cannot find it anywhere, or even screencaps. I have no interest in the patch, but a frame of reference would be incredibly helpful.

>> No.10511310

Please stream, /jp/

>> No.10511317

>>10511310
drmdr pls strm

>> No.10511330

>>10511317
>>10511310
Adamar strm for me pls! :)

>> No.10511410 [DELETED] 

>>10511111
quints tell the truth :)

>> No.10511457

>>10511310
twitch.tv/eldestructoe
SA Lunatic. I'll try to get past stage 1.

>> No.10511530

>>10511176
>The hitboxes are always circles
This is false. Most of the hitboxes in Touhou are square.

>which is why knives have such bullshit hitboxes
Sakuya's EX in PoFV, sure.

>> No.10511588

so,uh...yeah, I guess I'll stream some. I'll start with MoF LNB http://www.livestream.com/Sakurei?t=518767

>> No.10511781

Who is drmdr

>> No.10511804

>>10511530
The hitboxes are shirikodamas.

>> No.10511822

>>10511804
So do the hitboxes of the spinning grains in Spin the Cephalic Plate actually spin, or are they just centered circles and the whole thing is a lie?

>> No.10511926

Fuck EoSD and fuck all of you faggots.

>> No.10511951

I hate Tohou danmakus and every game that features "extra lives".

If I lose a life before the actual final boss, I can't play anymore. I just want to quit the game and play again from the first level trying not to waste a single life.

It's stressful and repetitive, I can't play this shit anymore.

>> No.10511963

>>10511926
you maid?

>> No.10512006

>>10511963
Shut your whore mouth. This game is bullshit. I'm dying to things I dodge. Patchy is bullshit on my favorite shot type. I get bad RNG when facing Sakuya in a real run, but can perfect her in practice mode, and Remilia is just a cunt. A delicious cunt though.

>> No.10512009
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>>10511804
So Nitori shoots hitboxes with hitboxes at your hitboxes?

>> No.10512013

>>10512006
Worst of all, with fucking EoSD is the retired bomb delay?

>> No.10512045

>>10512013
Worst of all is spending 10+ minutes on stage 1 all the time.

>> No.10512355

I've come to the conclusion that lunatic is an absolutely shit tier mode. It's nothing but memo. That is why time played > everything else for these games. These bullets on lunatic cannot be read, they're way too fast. I'm talking about all the games on lunatic too. It's idiotically fast even on stage 1, which makes it all the worse. That is a piss poor way to increase the games difficulty. What should have happened is exactly what got done to hard mode aka more bullets for denser patterns, but the speed of the bullets is largely untouched, or increased just enough to not be unreadable.

>> No.10512377

>>10512355
>These bullets on lunatic cannot be read, they're way too fast.
Hahaha. Go fucking play Mars Matrix.

>> No.10512381

>>10511951
>>10512355
I agree with these two faggots.

>> No.10512394

>>10512355
I want to cum inside you so fucking hard right now that you lose consciousness and develop amnesia. Get your shit together.

>> No.10512397

>>10512377
rob pls go. mars matrix is a reflect 'em up anyway so it's different

>> No.10512457

>>10512355
>>10512006
>>10511951
http://pastebin.com/deNZ6S1q

>> No.10512467

>>10512457
tl;dr

>> No.10512471

>>10512355
>fast bullets
>touhou

>> No.10512481

>>10512471
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTY9lYGLl2Y
If this is Mars Matrix which is supposed to be fast, then yes touhou has fast bullets.

>> No.10512499

>>10512481
Mars Matrix isn't that fast, vertizontal games usually aren't.
This is genuinely fast:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipmBxeBC2Cc

>> No.10512501

>>10512355
>implications
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZjyaNF-mTk

>> No.10512534

You're falling for the SA is harder-anon again, guys

>> No.10512567

>>10512481
>implying i'm the guy talking about mars matrix
>only watching the first two seconds
>too stupid to realize wide games are slower
>yfw fast mars bullets are still faster than touhou

>> No.10512575

>>10512567
I never implied you was him, you fucking retard.
They're not faster either.

>> No.10512583

>>10512575
stfu n00b

>> No.10512586

>>10512567
Please use the quote function properly if you want to argue. I actually agree with you for the most part, though I think disliking memorisation and liking shooters is an oxymoron.

>> No.10512595

>>10512583
No.

>>10512586
I never had to memo anything besides a "few" spells on hard. Why should it be any different on lunatic?

>> No.10512602

>>10512595
You don't need to memorize on lunatic, you just suck.

>> No.10512604

I got destroyed by Advent of the Divine Grandson three yet again.

I will never hear The Primal Scene of Japan the Girl Saw.

>> No.10512606

>>10512602
Says the guy that has no doubt played for years and doesn't realize he's just memorized everything and doesn't even know it.
Lunatic is nothing but memo.

>> No.10512608

I got repeatedly destroyed by Advent of the Divine Grandson yet again.

I will never hear The Primal Scene of Japan the Girl Saw.

>> No.10512621

>>10512606
Once that illusion of yours is shattered you can just blame it on nautral talent. :-)

>> No.10512632

>>10512621
I never knew people with natural talent took years to memo these games. I guess I must have near god like talent then, considering the amount of time I've played.

>> No.10512655

>>10512355
shmups are 95% memorization, news at 11

>> No.10512701

Is there a western leaderboard for all the different touhou game scores?

>> No.10512716

>>10512701
gensokyo.org

>> No.10512717
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>>10512457
>I think people who have never attempted great scores tend to trivialize goes into them.

If you're going to keep linking this then fix that sentence!

>> No.10512795

>>10512608
i bet you call bullets danmaku

>> No.10512879

>>10512606
Remember, everyone: this is the guy that is hindering us from having really amazing games.

>> No.10512892
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10512892

/jp/, I haven't played a touhou STG for ages, and I'm afraid my skills have atrophied away.

What do?

>> No.10512898

>>10512892
>atrophied away
Learn english.

>> No.10512908

>>10512898
You tell that fucking nerd dude.

>> No.10512931
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>>10512898
What if I don't want to?

Anyone have anything constructive to say?

>> No.10512933

>>10512931
Play Touhou? What the fuck kind of answer are you looking for?

>> No.10512936

>>10512931
Learn english, then you'll get an appropriate answer.

>> No.10512941

You all wish you were this good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tz_fViahnA

>> No.10512962

>>10512941
I bet he even dodges rain drops IF he goes outside ;)

>> No.10512984

>>10512941
I have no talent, therefore, I don't even bother trying to be that good. I'm content with a few first loop clears because I'll never be able to play for score or 2-ALL anything.

>> No.10512999

>>10512962
LOL

>> No.10513003

>>10512941
In Japan this is just tutorial mode xDD

>> No.10513018

>>10512941
>stream, bullet cancel, stream, bullet cancel . . .
MEMORIZING IS SO HARD OMG

>> No.10513023

>>10513018
why are you even in this thread

>> No.10513025

>>10512984
>>10512457

>> No.10513037

>>10513023
I play the good games.

>> No.10513067

>>10513037
No, this is a Touhou thread. You must be mistaken.

>> No.10513413

>>10513025
A motivational read, perhaps I'll attempt scoring in DDP again. I've actually tried for an entire year before seeing no progress, and eventually giving up, which is what lead me to believe that I have no talent. Oh, and the fact that the people I regularly talk with about STGs were always looking down on me, while achieving the same as me at a much higher rate.

>> No.10513435

>>10513413
How in the world is that motivational? He clearly hates the experience (and himself.)

>> No.10513622 [DELETED] 

sounds like something gus would write. therefore, it can't be taken serious.

it's true to some extent, sure. "natural talent" is a mere excuse not to push oneself farther. but it doesn't need to be to the point of where everything turns into a masochistic endeavor. I honestly believe that a lot of superplayers actually have fun with what they're doing. saying that every really good player walked through a metaphorical pit full of hot coals to get where they are now is just a mere generalization. He may feel that way, but it shouldn't be that way

What is also true is that shmups aren't meant to be played for two weeks and then never touched again. but that needs to have the prerequisite that you had fun with the game. Getting a 2-all in Dai-ou-jou is awesome. Now, did you have fun doing it? If yes, you will likely play the game more to improve the run or try your hands at some scoring or challenges. if you didn't, you'll probably move on to the next game and ask yourself the same question after clearing it. I believe that this goes on until you have found a game you can really treasure and give it your all.

which actually leads me to something that I think is wrong. The author of that "essay" always goes into the issue of scoring. And while it's probably true that you'll, at one point, try it in your game of choice, I don't think you have to to be actually good. After a simple 1cc or 2-all, there are always things you can do outside of scoring. Challenge runs are a great way to play STGs. They often may require less time, but can still be as impressive and satisfying as a high-level scoring run. There are some standard challenges like No Bomb runs, but you can also do some really game specific challenges which add some spice to the game. and eventually, you might want to try to NMNB the entire game.

I believe you need to love what you're doing, or else you'll eventually just quit.

>> No.10513718

>>10513622
>Now, did you have fun doing it? If yes, you will likely play the game more to improve the run or try your hands at some scoring or challenges. if you didn't, you'll probably move on to the next game and ask yourself the same question after clearing it.

What about the guys who have fun playing the game while also moving on to the next game while also getting high scores and clearing the hardest difficulties?

>> No.10513726

>>10512457
sounds like something gus would write. therefore, it can't be taken serious.

it's true to some extent, sure. "natural talent" is a mere excuse not to push oneself farther. but it doesn't need to be to the point of where everything turns into a masochistic endeavor. I honestly believe that a lot of superplayers actually have fun with what they're doing. saying that every really good player walked through a metaphorical pit full of hot coals to get where they are now is just a mere generalization. He may feel that way, but it shouldn't be that way

What is also true is that shmups aren't meant to be played for two weeks and then never touched again. but that needs to have the prerequisite that you had fun with the game. Getting a 2-all in Dai-ou-jou is awesome. Now, did you have fun doing it? If yes, you will likely play the game more to improve the run or try your hands at some scoring or challenges. if you didn't, you'll probably move on to the next game and ask yourself the same question after clearing it. I believe that this goes on until you have found a game you can really treasure and give it your all.

which actually leads me to something that I think is wrong. The author of that "essay" always goes into the issue of scoring. And while it's probably true that you'll, at one point, try it in your game of choice, I don't think you have to to be actually good. After a simple 1cc or 2-all, there are always things you can do outside of scoring. Challenge runs are a great way to play STGs. They often may require less time, but can still be as impressive and satisfying as a high-level scoring run. There are some standard challenges like No Bomb runs, but you can also do some really game specific challenges which add some spice to the game. and eventually, you might want to try to NMNB the entire game.

I believe you need to love what you're doing, or else you'll eventually just quit.

>> No.10513735

>>10513718
I never said that doesn't exist. I just wanted to keep things as simple as possible. But yes, you are definitely right. there are people who do it like that, too. probably a majority, to be honest.

>> No.10513959
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Yay my 1st 1cc outside of IN. Got it my very first run after managing to get the vpatch to work.

>> No.10514046

>>10512892
Play anyways. You'll get the hang of it quickly.

Happened to me, I didn't play for a year and then tried again and now I'm beating extras when I couldn't.

>> No.10514096 [DELETED] 

>>10513959
Congratulations.

>> No.10514099

>>10513959
Congratulation.

>> No.10514264

>>10513726
>sounds like something gus would write
guess who wrote it

you'll never get it

>> No.10515169

>>10512984
You can make up for a lack of talent by playing one game and one game only for thousands of hours. Like gus.

>> No.10515429

Please stream, /jp/

>> No.10515611

twitch_.tv/lolcookie2

First time 2hu pls no bully. ESoD.

>> No.10515641

>Embodiment Scarlet of Devil

I know it's your first time, but come on.

>> No.10515811

what happened to the thread

>> No.10515828

>>10515811
People stopped saging.

>> No.10515871

AUSCHWITZ
AUSCHWITZ
AUSCHWITZ

>> No.10515900

>>10515811
My guess is that someone deleted every post without a changed password. because trolls.

>> No.10515903

>Anonymous (Thursday) 01:38 September 1993. No.10515811
>
> what happened to the thread

Either someone fucked up 4chan, or moot's doing another silly prank.

>> No.10516033

>>10515811
No more quotes

>> No.10516036

>what happened to the thread

No more quoting posts

>> No.10516053

>Anonymous 02/21/13(Thu)11:38 No.10516036
>
> >what happened to the thread
>
> No more quoting posts

who are you quoting?

>> No.10516055

Obviously he is quoting >>10515811

>> No.10516060

Who quot

>> No.10516088

Somebody broken something.
Anyway please steam /jp/

>> No.10516144

>>10516088
Thread looks fine to me. What is supposed to be wrong?

>> No.10516148

>>10516144
Lurk more.

>> No.10516249

Should I switch to a different Touhou if I don't feel I'm making much progress? After a few months, I feel like EoSD wasn't a good place to start the series.

>> No.10516260

Is it cheating to play fullscreen on your 16/9 screen?

>> No.10516265

>>10516260
as long as you maintain the original aspect ratio, no

>> No.10516273

>>10516249
if it feels like your progress has plateaued, you're either bored of the game, or you've come to the point where you've memorized spell patterns but your dodging/looking abilities are holding you back. Pushing ahead will help you train those, but if you're just bored then you won't have much incentive to apply yourself in practice, and you would be better off switching games

>> No.10516277

>>10516249
Sure, no reason to keep getting frustrated over the same game. A change can be nice. I started with PCB and wasn't making much progress so I started playing IN. Managed to 1cc that then shortly after managed to 1cc PCB.

>> No.10516281

>>10516249
>>10512457

>> No.10516571

>>10516265
How do you do that?

>> No.10516664

>>10516571
Monitor or VGA driver scaling settings.

>> No.10516675

what the fuck happened /jp/?

i was so close to my first ;_;

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22254898/replays/th8_08.rpy

>> No.10516688

>>10516675
Try using replays.gensokyo.org next time.

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>>10508277

It's - get this - BETTER than Touhou.

Also, someone please tell me I'm not the only one who played this game.

http://nicoviewer.net/sm15632024

>> No.10517091

streaming:
livestream.com/touhougameplay

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I finally cleared PCB
on Easy
using 3 continues

>> No.10517103

>>10517082
That is not how tanks work.

>> No.10517104

>>10517102
Using Sakuya A?

>> No.10517110

>>10517104
Yes

>> No.10517117

>>10517102
please don't misuse spoilers

>> No.10517193

>>10517117
How about I misuse my dick in your ass

>> No.10517260

>>10517193
How can it be misuse if it feels so good?

>> No.10517768

http://www.twitch.tv/yorgje

streaming a bit with a new ethernet cable. planning to sightread PCB a bit, then IN if I have time

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got my first 1cc besides eosd today

>> No.10518269

>>10518258
Cute. Congratulations

>> No.10518277

>>10518258
Nice.

>> No.10518283

>>10518258
What game is that ^^;

>> No.10518288
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>>10508740
Oh my. This is probably my favorite replay of UFO ever. It pretty much shows exactly what I've preached for ages. UFOs can be abused to fuck to clear the screen if you memorize a route similar to yours.
Not to mention that classy bomb spamming for the bosses. It probably sounds like I'm being sarcastic but that isn't true, I really do like that style.
You can bet I'm going to pull something similar off when I get around to playing that abomination of a game.
Anyway, there you have it faggot UFO lovers, a replay showing how you can trivialize that poorly constructed joke of a game on lunatic by abusing UFO screen clears as well as the crazy powerful bombs.
I'm literally laughing right now at the people that believe UFO isn't memo.


I send all my love to some of the die hard UFO fanboys that just got told/crucified by that replay. Yes, that includes you dot_aspergers.

>> No.10518292

>>10518283
touhou 4 lotus land story

>> No.10518307

>>10518283
the one with bad apple

>> No.10518315

>>10518292
thats my absolute favorite game

>> No.10518333

>>10518288
>UFOs can be abused to fuck to clear the screen if you memorize a route similar to yours.
>there you have it faggot UFO lovers, a replay showing how you can trivialize that poorly constructed joke of a game on lunatic by abusing UFO screen clears as well as the crazy powerful bombs.
Opposed to MoF, SA, and TD which can be cheesed without memorizing anything and by pressing X when remotely threatened. You sure showed them!

>> No.10518338

>>10518333
Who gives a fuck about MoF, SA and TD (implying you can bomb spam TD without memorization, you fucking fool).
EoSD, PCB, and IN is where it's at.

>> No.10518359

>>10518338
>implying you can bomb spam TD without memorization, you fucking fool
Sorry, I guess you're right. You do have to memorize a couple things.

1. If there's a boss on the screen, sit on it and press X until you can press C.
2. If it's a stage portion, try not to fall asleep~

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>>10518359
UFO equivalent

1. If there's a boss on the screen, press X. Don't worry about running out of resources. You can die twice and still have max lives by the end of stage 3.
2. If it's a stage summon UFOs to constantly clear the screen. Dodging is for faggots anyway.

See, I can do that too.

>> No.10518633

what do you guys have against memorization?

>> No.10518719

>>10518633
People who dislike it haven't played enough shooters to realise there are plenty of options with far less memorisation, yet keep playing these games with this thing they dislike.

>> No.10518783

>>10518719
but why is memorization even inherently bad?

>> No.10518792

>>10518783
Nothing. Once you've play enough STG's, you'll realize that most are nothing but memorization and you'll stop caring about stupid shit like that.

>> No.10518831

There's an entire spectrum of how people define "memorization". For some, it means 100% static patterns. For others, they'll even complain about static series of events or anything that can be partially manipulated.

In the end, skill is manifestation of experience, which is nothing more than a complex form of memory. Everything is memorization. Arguing it is silly since everybody draws the line somewhere, but nobody mentions where that line is for whatever reason.

>> No.10518868

>>10518783
It's not. You either like games with more of it or less of it or both. All shooters have it to a degree.

>> No.10519287

Which Touhou players would you ship?

>> No.10519344
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>>10519287
>>>/u/
>>>/namedrop/
>>>/#pofv/

>> No.10519451

>>10518288

UFO is still hard...

come at me

>> No.10519486

Every game requires memorization. There are games that *only* require memorization and dexterity, like most shmups, and games that require memorization + fast reactions (due to randomness), like Ninja Gaiden.

>> No.10519618

>>10519287
Seppo Hovi and myself because Seppo a cutie

>> No.10519965

>>10519344
I've always wondered why Naut is so obsessed with UFO. Does he genuinely enjoy the game? Whenever I've seen him talk, I've always thought that he only played it to study how many frames it'll take a bullet to reach the hitbox and did some math equations with it.

>> No.10521414

>>10517768
I'm streaming again, same agenda. I'll do this every day until the thread dies or I 1cc PCB

>> No.10522144

I want to molest the Miko and her crew.
How strong was the shit ZUN was drinking for him to think trance would be a good idea to put into TD.
Why hasn't nobody bothered to rectify this by modding in a better system or just removing trance entirely.
Ultra patched TD( minus the 2-3 spells it breaks) and a fixed/removed trance system. I can't be the only one that thinks that sounds delicious.

>> No.10522296

>>10522144
No one is forcing you to click C, If you personally don't like it then don't use it. But you are putting yourself at detriment by doing that.

>> No.10522358

>>10522296
Without it you get very little lives and bombs. Even if you don't want to use it, it still activates on death anyway.
There needs to be a better system.

>> No.10522421

-

>> No.10522442

>>10522358
Just think of it as a rechargeable bomb then. That's basically how it worked in Mountain of Faith after all.

>> No.10522468

>>10522442
One that depletes itself on death rather than replenishes. And is necessary for replenishing your actual lives and bombs, making it triply punishing to die.

>> No.10522480

>>10522144
Alright, what say we take trance... and replace it with break/double break.

>> No.10522503

>>10522480
I like it, Fantastic idea.

(I've always compared TD and CC to be somewhat similar in that regard)

>> No.10522523

Trance would be fine if it had at least some risk. It should have worked like PCB borders so you still actually have to dodge. Infact think of how much better that would be for people that play for score. So basically while you're shooting shit and collecting spirits in trance, you get a much bigger score value than if you weren't in trance. it would last the same amount of time it lasts now, only you'd want to continue dodging stuff to ensure the trance doesn't end prematurely so you could continue to reap the benefits of getting the increased score.

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>> No.10523567

>>10522144
>>10522523
>Why hasn't nobody bothered to rectify this by modding in a better system or just removing trance entirely.
Someone has.

I can't remember all of the details, but it features being able to use a manual trance after 1 spirit gauge was full instead of needing all 3. Bullets no longer become transparent during trance, since, after all, you still have to dodge them now. All characters have spirits move toward them during trance, not just Reimu. Marisa's movement speed is returned to normal. Entering trance clears all bullets on the screen, which invalidates a spell bonus, but entering a spell with trance already active does not. My memory is hazy on the details of exiting trance prematurely. Getting hit kills you (or maybe just ends it and clears the screen?). Bombing ends a trance.

It was never publicly released, however.

>> No.10523710

>>10523567

>It was never publicly released, however.

Why not? They did all that work and then did nothing with it?

>> No.10523771
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Got my first haddo modo 1CC

I'd wanted to do this on Miko's birthday. But hey, better late than never.

>> No.10523777

>>10523710
Incomplete. Unpolished. After a little while, I imagine he just lost interest.

>> No.10524085

twitch.tv/waahst

After a long hiatus, attempting the special challenge.

>> No.10524127

I'm calling shenanigans on ZUN's assertion that Touhou is in any way easier when you're drunk.

>> No.10524199

>>10524127
Everything's easier when you're just a little bit tipsy. Perhaps it was just a mistranslation, because I doubt ZUN would make that mistake.

>> No.10524396

>>10524085
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=27080
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=27081

Special challenge Normal and Lunatic. Set a very low bar for /jp/ with my kusoplay.

>> No.10524603

so is this thread basically the embodiment of the english speaking touhou playing community, or is there another place/irc channel that people hang out on?

>> No.10524686

>>10524603
Post your scores and I'll tell you :V

>> No.10524709

>>10524686
I assume you're being ironic with that ugly :V smiley, but in case you're not, I think it's a bit ridiculous for touhou players to be elitist when they're playing one of the easiest STGs, besides maybe those "bullet hell" flash games scattered across the internet.

(Basically what I'm saying is my scores suck)

>> No.10524715

>>10524709
I think something like dodonpachi is easier than any of the touhou games on lunatic bar UFO and Ten Desires.

>> No.10524760

>>10524603
This thread's not usually elitist, unless you think that pastebin reflects the opinions of everyone who goes here.

>> No.10524766

>>10524760
yeah, these threads are generally pretty friendly, except for the occasional "talent" arguments and stuff. I was just saying that asking for scores to be let into a secret touhou club would be elitist for little reason.

>> No.10524770

>>10524715
Hah. It's one thing to compare SA and UFO's difficulty, but lumping Lunatic UFO and TD in the same category? Now that's just ridiculous.

>> No.10524774

>>10524766
That guy was just messing with you. Guys like >>10517102, for example, are just as welcome as anybody. Except maybe the whole bkub Chen and spoiler misuse thing, but that's an unrelated issue.

>> No.10524789

>>10515611

I'm back, got all the 2hu now so might try some other games maybe.

>> No.10525281

>>10524774
If this was one of the earlier STG threads, he would have been laughed out of both here AND any IRC channel he goes on. These threads have gotten a lot more tame in the past years, or at least I think they have. The decline of elitism is more or less due to some people leaving the community, and them being replaced by a bunch of depressed dudes who believe they have no talent.

>> No.10525284

>>10522296
A player shouldn't have to come up with arbitrary restrictions to make a game fun. Enjoy your kusoge.

>> No.10525312

>>10525284
>kusoge.
pls dont talk like a retard weeb :3

>> No.10525336

>>10524715
Even PCB on Normal is harder than the first loop of DoDonPachi.

>> No.10525641

Can someone give me a download link for Hellsinker? I can't seem to find any working downloads for it.

>> No.10525673
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>>10524127

Because you're not trying too hard. It like when you leave it for a few days and then go back t it and its easy. I only completed HRTP with no continues on hard when I was drunk.

>> No.10525679

http://livestream.com/seppostream/

Doing the special for a while.

>> No.10526995

>>10525281
And what's your point? What do you gain from being elitist? By they way, those "depressed dudes who believe they have no talent" are the same ones that have been elitist cunts on these STG threads since years ago. People change, anon, especially when they stop caring about Touhou.

>> No.10527067

>>10524396
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=27091

Made some improvements.

>> No.10527090

>>10526995
You gain more points to your ego, it's more or less a confidence booster. It's even better when you have a secret club of elitists, in that case, you can feel all warm inside when discussing elitist things with each other!

And no, I don't believe that they're the same people. The elitists of the past only said they're bad while getting WRs to better improve their own ego and self-confidence, and then going over to IRC to laugh at players on /jp/ for, "being so far behind." I'm very surprised these threads have lasted as long as they have, seeing as how every other competitive game that /jp/ plays, they get laughed out of their own threads by the elitist IRC circlejerk.

>> No.10527096

>>10524127
I've captured a lot more cards drunk than sober, but I do a lot worse on the stage portions.

What a tradeoff.

>> No.10527141

>>10524127
Clearly you're just not drunk enough ;)

>> No.10527163
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Streaming PCB Soft
www.twitch.tv/exxelent

>> No.10527343

>>10527090
The IRC people were always rather kind. Kind, but odd in their own ways. I have no idea what the hell are you ranting about.

>> No.10527498

>>10517768
Me again. Only for a short time today

>> No.10527853

>>10527343
I assume he got successfully trolled by people pretending to be members of some fabled "secret elitist circlejerk IRC channel" which to my knowledge doesn't exist. I mean, I used to chat on a channel where like every English-speaking 2hu WR holder was chatting about sucking dicks and that one wasn't either secret or elitist.

Absolutely none of the WR holders have ever laughed at /jp/ posters or anyone else for being bad at games. Mean people like that wouldn't be welcome anywhere and they would be called faggots. Laughing at someones retarded and ignorant opinions is not the same thing, that's completely fine.

>> No.10527905

Do you think that this community is almost exclusively male, and if so, why? What do girls do in their free time?

>> No.10528033

>>10527905
>What do girls do in their free time?

Probably plot how to bully neets. ;_;

>> No.10528527

>>10527853
>>10527343
In all seriousness, I've lurked on #PoFV. Seems like a cool place with a lot of dick riding and homosexuality. And well, the part about IRC players laughing out /jp/ players is true, but not for this thread specifically. If you've played other games with /jp/ and lurked the thread and the IRC both, you would see what I mean.

>>10527905
I used to play IaMP with a girl who also played PoFV. She was pretty strange, despite being really good at both of them, she always got very mad when she came close to losing. I could be losing terribly to her, and then I'd escape pressure and get a random hit on her and she'd get really pissed off.

>> No.10528799

Mikkey is streaming: http://www.livestream.com/touhougameplay

>>10527905
I don't want to namedrop, but I know a lot of girls play this game quite well.

>> No.10528852

Should I work on 1CC'ing all the games on hard before stepping it up to lunatic? Or is it just better to skip that and go straight to lunatic?

>> No.10528865

>>10527905
I know a female NEET that hasn't left her house in 1 year, and she's pretty good at Touhou.

>> No.10528868

>>10528852
Well, SA hard seems harder than PCB lunatic to me, so I guess it depends.

>> No.10528874

>>10528527
>she always got very mad when she came close to losing.
Every girl playing every game ever

>> No.10528876

>>10528852
You'll be bashing you're head and not improving much if the difficulty curve is too big but, everyone is different. I suggest playing the easier games on Hard mode.

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http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=27078

I hate showing my happiness, but this is my proudest moment so far.

I want to do mokou next, but her second card and woo are throwing me off. Farthest I've been is fujiyama. I haven't tried enough.

>> No.10528977

is it cheating to use vpatch?

>> No.10528982

>>10528977
Only if using old/specific computer hardware is cheating, since it has the same effect.

>> No.10528983

>>10528977
No, go nuts.

>> No.10529048

>>10528977
vpatch?

>> No.10529075

>>10529048
Also known as Vsync patch.
The patch removes any input lag if there is any due to Vsync.

>> No.10529077

>>10512457
Could you possibly be more up your own ass?

>> No.10529204

>>10529077
That's the "manifesto" of gus, a guy on shmups forum that counterstopped Futari Ultra. He's entirely serious about what he writes but it's so hilarious people are now using it as copypasta.

>> No.10529207

I found that going from ASync 30 to Sync 1 under Video settings in anex86 boosted my play for Mystic Square from usually not even reaching shiki with 3 conts(once I reached her with 2 remaining but got eaten alive) to beating the game on normal with 4 tries. Lotus Land Story had similar improvement.

However, although Mima is easier to reach than Shiki was pre-change, The Story of Eastern Wonderland didn't have it's graphics improve nowhere nearly as much, so my gameplay is very inconsistent(ranging from beating the game once with DEF to using first cont. on stage 3 boss).

Any advice how to better configure it?

(oh and btw I'm running anex86e1 on Wine in Lubuntu 12)

>> No.10529216
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>>10529207
your playing the PC-98 touhou games!

>> No.10529236

>>10528983
sweet. It feels like my hitbox just shrunk to like half size

>> No.10529241

>>10529207
I don't want to sound like an ass, but T-98 Next is regarded as the better emulator. You should use it.

>> No.10529243

>>10529216
Yes.

When I got frustrated with tsoew, I went and loaded up MS, took Yuka to play - has it really been since last summer - and completed it in first try, albeit with 20% lower score than reimu. Alas, Eastern Wonderland keeps evading me like RNG.

Well-dodged Shiki battle is truly beautiful. Marisa fucks me sideways harder than the bosses after her, though.

>> No.10529249

>>10529241
Alas, T-98 Next fails to load up on Wine for some reason. I could reboot, I guess, but in my memories I still used anex rather than that due one reason or another.

>> No.10529257

>>10529243
your awesome

>> No.10529266

>>10529257
Nah, I still have lot of room to improve.

Also, why the hell are all marisa's attack when you use her as PC straight? Shouldn't she shoot bullets out of her sides instead with the way her boss battles go?

>> No.10529291

PLAYED TOUHOU FOR THE FIRST TIME TODAY

THAT FUCKING FEELING WHEN NARROW ESCAPE FROM A THOUSAND TOUHOU BULLETS IN LUNATIC

IT'S ENOUGH TO KEEP A MAN UP ALL WEEK

CHRIST

I'M JACKED AND I STILL SEE TOUHOU BULLETS

>> No.10529295

>>10529266
Using orreries sun would be awesome.

Marisa has always been a high power straight-line character, it's her motto. It's her job description.

Shame on t-98 next though. I started with anex and it had problems with sound channels and frame skipping. I have none of these problems with t-98.

>> No.10529307

>>10529291
I also like that rush Anon, no feel like it.

>> No.10529318

Which bullet is the cutest bullet?

>> No.10529320

>>10529318
Butterfly cutest and best bullet

Knife worst bullet

>> No.10529325

>>10529318
Those arrow bullets in TD

>> No.10529326

>>10529320
I was about to express the exact same opinion.

>> No.10529329

>>10529318
Hearts.

>> No.10529339

>>10529318
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16921581

Mind the hitbox estimations though.

>> No.10529344

>>10529318
Arrowhead, no contest.

>> No.10529371

>>10529339
The blatant hitbox inaccuracies in this video bother me every time I'm reminded that it exists.

>> No.10529383

>>10529318
I like those tiny knife ones. I forget what they're called now. They're cute but never trick me even though they have an irregular shape. It's like a little girl who strives to be honest and try her best.

>> No.10529391

>>10529383
The kunai?

>> No.10529397

>>10529339
how can i make that voice?

>> No.10529562

>>10529295
orreries sun?*googles* yeah, something like that

And nah, while the boss battles she has in both LLS and TsoeW(moreso) have some bullets that go straight the main danger is sideways attack.

I think I'll reboot and try again, or with some Neko thingy emulator, but iirc it wasn't successful. Frameskipping is the phrase I was looking for, and is what makes tracing paths very hard.

As for sound with anex...For some reason I can either get sound with touhou or sound with flash. Not both, and first one active dominates.

And pulseaudio package shuts down the sound completely for 2hõ

Favorite danmaku? master spark. Damn, was I impressed when I first encountered that(I knew it was coming but still died).

>> No.10529577
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Also, is this a bug? Marisa does this pretty rarely, usually those are those little white bullets instead.

>> No.10529579
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10529579

Ditto for this marisa, who spams starshowers with no orbs at all. I think orbs bind her power or sth.

>> No.10529737

>>10529318
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55Ja-xMV5F8

>> No.10529782

>>10529737
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55Ja-xMV5F8
epic kek. :3

>> No.10529804

>>10515611
Streaming for at least an hour this time. ESoD

>> No.10529956

Would you put your replays on an internet resume?

>> No.10529988

>>10529804
>twitch_.tv/lolcookie2
EoSD is pretty
Rumia reminds me of Yuuka.
Cirno reminds me of Alice.
Stage 1 of stage 5 of MS.

keep in mind I've never played windows-era games. But looks like EoSD is harder than the game before it. Is that on normal?

>> No.10529995

>>10529988
He's playing on Lunatic.
I'd say windows era games are harder than PC-98 ones.

>> No.10530016

>>10529995
PoDD is the hardest.

>> No.10530025

>>10529988
>keep in mind I've never played windows-era games.
To what end? You have to have done that on purpose, but it's not like the windows games aren't better overall than the PC-98 ones.

>> No.10530028

>>10530025
He probably only owns a PC-98 and is unable to play the new games.

>> No.10530033

>>10530016
I played it just yesterday and the only part that was really difficult was the final boss. Then again I only managed to get through that brick wall once but I've beaten Eiki many times before, that might be because I play PoFV often but only play PC98 games maybe once a month or so.

>>10530025
Maybe he's going through the games in order?
That's how I did it when I started playing anyway.

>> No.10530037

>>10530033
I did the same too. I find it to be more enjoyable that way. It gets really exciting when you see the graphics getting prettier and prettier. And how the game changes the atmosphere so much.

>> No.10530042

>>10530028
lol.

I have only PC-98 on my computer, that's why. I plan to complete TSoEW before tackling PoDD
>>10530016
And MS easiest I guess? Not sure how I stand on HRtP, it never really interested me. But last I tried didn't do too well.

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>> No.10530165

>>10530141
I can only imagine this as an alien and indescribable noise.

>> No.10530245

I did it for the OP challenge. Conveniently overlaps with my objective.

>> No.10530285

After an entire year of playing, I've finally bested my own DDP score. 98M has now became 124M. Not a big improvement, but every run prior to it ended before 2-4 with an even worse score, so I'm okay with it being completely shitty.

I'm still gunning for a 2-ALL, but considering as how I use up 5+ continues on him in a daily practice run, I don't think I'll ever be able to beat him.

>> No.10530553
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10530553

So, I've been trying to play Star Parodier, but it won't run on Magic Engine for some reason. It freezes on the character select screen.

It'll run in ootake, but ootake blows.

Has anyone else ever run into this problem?

>> No.10530615

Thanks to whoever came up with the idea to put challenges in the OP.
You know exactly how to motivate me.

>> No.10530656

>>10530553

>ootake blows.

The whole point of Ootake is to make a PC Engine emulator that doesn't have input lag.

>> No.10530730

Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but are there any studies about the effects shooting games have on the brain?

There have been studies about how playing first person shooters may improve eyesight, but I haven't seen anything about this genre.

>> No.10530783

>>10530730
Kind of tongue-in-cheek (hence the URL):
http://web.archive.org/web/20090227001726/http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~albie/pseudoscience.htm

Unfortunately, the page died and many important images are missing.

If anyone saved this, please let me know.

>> No.10530790

>>10530783
>Abstract:
>Sakuya is cute.

Amazing.

>> No.10530808

>>10530783
>(At least, as scientific as you can get with one tester, who also happens to be the researcher.)
At least he knows that he's a dumbass :3

>> No.10530835

>>10530783
Amazing.

>> No.10530850

>>10530730
It allows you to be able to dodge rain IRL, LOL

>> No.10530858

>>10530730
I notice that after I practice violin for a couple of hours, there is a temporary period in which I have a somewhat heightened awareness, measured by the super scientific metric of me doing better in fighting games against my friends than otherwise. If I were better at touhou, I could imagine this being the case there as well.

>> No.10530864

>>10530850
nice 1!!!!! xDD

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So I watched an Undefined Fantastic Object superplay today.

Maybe I'm just jaded because I play CAVE games all the time, but...is this the best Touhou can offer? Really? I'm very disappointed.

>> No.10530997

Don't bite.

>> No.10531019

>>10530997
Thanks

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10531066

Oh yeah, I've been meaning to ask.

Are there any shmups with more bullets (or at least on par with how many bullets) as the following:

- Bug Princess 2 Arrange Ver. 1.01 Ultra
- DoDonPachi Resurrection Arrange A Ura Loop
- Crimzon Clover Unlimited

I guess Bug Princess CAVE Matsuri Version Arrange Ultra would be good, but there's got to be more than that.

Also, fun fact - just about every CAVE game has an English title sitting somewhere in the tiles. I'll list what I know -
- Dangun Feveron - Fever S.O.S.
- DoDonPachi Dai-Ou-Jou - DoDonPachi Blissful Death
- Ketsui ~Kizuna Jigoku Tachi~ - Ketsui
- Mushihime-Sama - Bug Princess
- Pink Sweets: Ibara Sorekara - Pink Sweets: After Ibara (Found this in the TGA viewer)
- Mushihime-Sama Futari - Bug Princess 2
- DoDonPachi Dai-Fukkatsu - DoDonPachi Resurrection
- I'm pretty sure DoDonPachi SaiDaiOuJou is DoDonPachi Maximum Death, but I'm not 100% sure.

>> No.10531078

>>10530983
UFO is the worst game in the series.

>> No.10531115
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>>10530997

...But I'm being 100% serious. How about I name off what I don't like -

- Barely any bullet pattern layering, even on bosses. CAVE usually has at least two layers of bullets on every boss or midboss attack pattern, plus some large mooks also have multiple layers. Crimzon Clover goes so far as to have multiple attack layers on some 1HP enemies.
- Many bullet patterns by bosses and mid-bosses are repeated. This would be okay if it weren't for the fact, as I mentioned above, that most attack patterns only have one layer. As a result it's a massive borefest.
- Presentation (Graphics, music, etc.) are not exactly bad, but they're certainly sub-par. Before you say, "But it's a DOUJIN game!!", recall that Crimzon Clover is also one and happens to be on-par with CAVE's quality.
- Antialiased projectiles. This may seem laughable but any time a projectile has smoothed edges there's often a question of where the hitbox is. CAVE goes out of its way to remedy this, to the extent of giving the player a visible hitbox, but Touhou seems awful confusing in that matter.
- Incredibly boring player, boss, and enemy designs. I ultimately don't care about powerlevels, a dumb-looking mouse girl is not on par with Suzaku 08 (Or a Venus Flytrap for that matter) in any version of the universe. In fact, why is the midboss the same as the boss? Whatever happened to variance in the enemies you face?
- Many of the enemies have a similar feel to Harihacks in the original DoDonPachi - they feel like they're just trying to kill you and get it over with, not spam bullets. Granted, CAVE remedied this later, but apparently Touhou hasn't figured out that's not how you make a danmaku game anymore.

I could probably name more, but I'll just wait for someone to put up a response of some kind. Like I said, I'm 100% serious.

I will also say that Marisa is actually pretty decent, I wouldn't mind playing her in some other shmup.

>> No.10531135

Don't bite.

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>>10531135

I'm seriously not trolling ;_;

>>10531078

What would be the best then?

>> No.10531148

>>10531115
I play Touhou for the yuri subtext.

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>>10531148

That's like saying "I play Battle Garegga for the mechanical design"

It is a sin I am sadly not free of myself however.

>> No.10531188

>>10531182
I play 19XX for the cool planes.

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>>10531188

I once played Breath of Fire for Nina.

Then I got a handle on my idiocy and vowed never to play turn-based shit ever again.

>> No.10531220

>>10531115
>Before you say, "But it's a DOUJIN game!!", recall that Crimzon Clover is also one and happens to be on-par with CAVE's quality.
Compare the development time of any Touhou game and Crimzon Clover. I'm not using this as an excuse, but it's not entirely fair to compare these two things on these grounds.

>Antialiased projectiles. This may seem laughable but any time a projectile has smoothed edges there's often a question of where the hitbox is.
I don't entirely agree with this. I agree that Touhou will use some silly blending modes and other shenanigans to make bullets difficult to read, but there shouldn't really be any problems with hitboxes. Bullet density isn't even high enough in these games to worry about it most of the time. I suppose Touhou does have more hixbox mystery when compared to a game like, say, Futari, where every bullet has the same, extremely tiny hitbox.

>>10531147
>What would be the best then?
Not that person (since UFO is one of my favorite games), but PCB and IN have pretty lovely scoring systems. MoF is alright too. You're not going to find assreamingly difficult patterns no matter where you look, so don't go in expecting much in that department.

>> No.10531296

>>10531115
I won't argue against you since I'm shit and my opinion doesn't matter, but I'll agree with one thing:

>Antialiased projectiles.
You'll often find that hitboxes are misrepresented; off-center and oddly sized for some characters, bosses, and projectiles. You'll get used to it over time, though, so it becomes a minor thing.

>> No.10531298

Production values aside, Crimzon Clover was fucking atrocious.

>> No.10531302

Don't bite.

>> No.10531314

>>10531182
Yeah man, that is secondary as HELL.

The best Touhou game you'd like would most likely be SoEW. Forget all fancy post Touhou 2 shit, this is where the peak is at. The rest of the series is simply just riding on a wave of awwesome set by this game. Let me list you why-

- Layers? This game is good for those. Not only do bullets layer with each other, but even the background and enemy spawns are going into the stray and you have to dodge them as well just to be sure. Also, the penultimate boss has some next level shit and you have to dodge her danmaku while also dodging her options which spawn the bullets. Sick.

- There are no repeated patterns or shit like that, bosses choose a random attack from their pool and fuck you in the ass with it. To hell with boring memo, this is the true RNG.

- If you wish for good and realistic quality, you probably should play this game. The enemies are so well made and the bullets look so neat you would not believe it. You can't simply see all of it at times, that's how awesome the graphics are. A true classic.

- The bullet hitboxes are as they are. No guessing around. No fancy shit. Just pure looking at stuff and dodging it. No aliases, the bullets are who they are: bullets.

- Design? Man, this game has got it all. Sick star orbs from the deep hell, six mystic lovecraftian balls. And the stage one has a fucking tank. A. Fucking. Tank.

- Spamming bullets, here it is. Forget about killing the player, here the screen gets so full with shit you wouldn't believe it. Truely random and cool danmaku.

I could probably name more, but I'll just have to go and play the game. I'm 100% serious, it's the best Touhou.

>> No.10531326

>>10531314
Also a really great stage 2 theme.

>> No.10531330

>>10531314
The player also rides on a turtle which is cool.

>> No.10531535

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