STG/Touhou

[Anonymous No.]

Old thread: >>10374151

Talk about Touhou and other STGs. Chat with fellow players, blog about your progress, plead for help on problematic spots, and so on.

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New challenges for this thread!

Scoring challenge: SA Easy and Hard
1. Every shot-type is welcome
2. The run must be done within the thread, no old scores.
3. Either screenshots or replays will be required for posts with scores.

Special challenge: Survival in EoSD on Normal, Hard and Lunatic.
1. Get as far as you can on one life only
2. No Bombs
3. Every shot-type is welcome
4. The run must be done within the thread, no old scores.
5. Either screenshots or replays will be required for posts with scores.

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Previous challenges winners:

UFO Scoring
Normal: no entries
Extra: >>10405305 (454,599,620)

Special challenge
No-Bomb Lunatic: >>10375242 (4 lives remaining)

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You have time for until this thread ends (i.e. it hits the bump limit).
Good luck.

[Anonymous No.]

I assume score is the tiebreaker in special

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410005
In special, do I just start with the minimum lives and go for a NB run (extends count) or should I immediately suicide the rest of my lives after the first miss?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410032
If two players get to the same spellcard, the timer will determine who wins.
If by any chance someone clears the entire game, then whoever is faster wins.

>>10410046
Just suicide to save the replay.

[Anonymous No.]

You have a chance to make history if you happen to clear the Special challenge. A replay of someone doing that would be the first one published.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410115
Okay, here I go.

[Anonymous No.]

Took me 215 tries to clear fujiyama volcano once in training mode with border team.
What are my chances of not being the worst player?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410584
I haven't unlocked Extra. There's plenty worse than you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1041058Not to make fun of you or anything but maybe this will shed some lighthttp://replays.gensokyo.org/download.phid=14132

[Anonymous No.]

<span class="deadlink">>>10407402</spanhttp://replays.gensokyo.org/download.phid=2659
I still think Okuu is bullshit. Can't capture any of her spells besides that safespot one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410584
I am at 0/831 on Imperishable Shooting, so no, you're far from the worst.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410794
Welp, make that 0/903 now. I wish I had ~Talent~.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410967
Alternatively you could develop some skill. Come back for it later when you are better.

[Anonymous No.]

I really want to play some STGs but I have to go to bed

i'll see you tomorrow morning Dai-Fukkatsu

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone else prefer Marisa in every game? I've been using her since EoSC (Marisa B) and have used Marisa in every game since. I'm terrible with Reimu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411320
*EoSD sorry

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411320
I can't use marisa at all
It's like the game just becomes unnecessarily hard when using her. Raymoo all the day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411417
Marisa does so much more damage if you can stay under the boss. You don't have to dodge the patterns as long that way. Plus in some of the later games power ups come to her automatically if you get close enough or go to the PoC with or without full power.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411424

Marisa is (with a few exceptions) less DPS than the non-homing Reimu shots.

So much for danmaku being all about firepower, ze?

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.twitch.tv/cactu1
Special challenge attempts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411320
I can only play as laser Marisa. All the other characters move too slow for me. I can't dodge right when they react so slowly and I hate in games like EoSD and PCB where the items scroll off the screen at the same speed as Reimu, so if you get above them, you'll never get them with her. With Marisa, I can get everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411320
I prefer Reimu in SA, Ghosts in IN and Sanae/Youmu in TD.
And I only like Marisa with piercing shots.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to get better at Marisa, but only because it would help me a shitton more with dodging/grazing and getting through extended barrages with minimal to no loss. I must have tried capturing Evil Sealing Circle on Normal with her at least 50 times today, and then I tried it with the other three teams after giving up on Marisa, and I got it on my first try with all three. Homing/Option lock/Widespread fire overpowered please nerf.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck Chen. I feel like I'm the only one who has a hard time with her.

[Anonymous No.]

Normal: No miss until Scarlet Shooter. http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.phid=2660Hard: No miss until Jack the ludo bile. http://www.twitcspoiler]/spoiler]tv/cactu1/c/1868458 (picture is relatedLunatic: No miss until Koakuma. http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.phid=26609

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410584
>>10410967
You guys really suck, so maybe these games aren't for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412248
You know, I think you're right. I wonder why I haven't just accepted this after all the time I spent playing. I think I'll quit Touhou now, thanks for bringing me to realization, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

Normal no miss no bomhttp://replays.gensokyo.org/download.phid=26612

[Anonymous No.]

>Special challenge: Survival in EoSD on Normahttp://replays.gensokyo.org/download.phid=26611 (1MNB, death to Scarlet Shoot
Won't try again. Have a good one at your victory. You earn it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410778
Nobody even comments. Tsk tsk, I guess Utsuho is as hard as I say she is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1041272http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.phid=14504

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412759
And that proves....what exactly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412724
I'm curious, are you that obnoxious retard with the eosd bomb delay?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412846
I'm curious, are you one of the few retards left that still doesn't know I was trolling about the bomb delay?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412780
That it's not bullshit and that you should probably just start avoiding the bullets instead of hitting them? If she's hard, it's because you need to improve.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412877
>I was trolling
From the way you act on IRC and here, I'm quite skeptical of your "trolling" excuse. The way you whine like a kid about UFO being bad because you're having trouble, the way you post so obnoxiously as if everyone has to acknowledge your presence, your attempts at starting drama and arguments and your numerous instances of lying all make me doubt that. I'm almost certain that you're just a child or actually retarded (or both), and trying to pass this off as "epic trolling XD." You're really quite the annoying cunt, and I'm really surprised at how well people actually managed to tolerate you up to this point. Please, grow up, or if that takes too long, at least try to act a little more mature. If neither are possible, then leave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412926
let me tell you ive been here far longer then you ever been. I know all of /jp/s history and even stuck with it and tired to protect it during the dark ages of 2010 to 2011, where it was so bad you guys couldn't even HAVE these threads with cock spam all over. sadly /jp/ has changed so much that i haven't. I still remember when /jp/ was a bunch of hard asses and didnt take no shit from anybody who didn't act like a elite. those days are long gone though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412964
Please stop forcing this pasta.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412926
>From the way you act on IRC and here, I'm quite skeptical of your "trolling" excuse.


Aww I'm hurt. Why don't you tell me this on IRC instead of being a little bitch and saying it as anon. I already know who you are anyway so doing it this way only makes you look more pathetic.

>The way you whine like a kid about UFO being bad because you're having trouble

You see the thing is, I'm not having trouble with UFO. I'm making progress much faster than I did with any of the other games minus PCB.
I can perfect the first 3 stages already, and I've only practiced this game for around 8 hours. So much for it being difficult.
As for the "whining", I'm doing that because the game is mind-numbingly shit, and it's helping to pass the time.


> the way you post so obnoxiously as if everyone has to acknowledge your presence, your attempts at starting drama and arguments and your numerous instances of lying all make me doubt that

Excuse me for wanting to talk about STG's in an STG thread. If you don't want to read peoples thoughts on the games, then feel free to fuck off out of the threads. Is that so hard to grasp?
As for the lying part, please, don't make me laugh. I know exactly what you're talking about and I wasn't lying about that. Unlike you, I'm not a faggot that would be afraid to admit to doing something.


>I'm almost certain that you're just a child or actually retarded (or both), and trying to pass this off as "epic trolling XD."

Whatever you say, boss. I'll just let this comment slide but I'd be willing to bet that I'm older than you.

>You're really quite the annoying cunt, and I'm really surprised at how well people actually managed to tolerate you up to this point.

Perhaps you're just easily offended and others are not. My advice for that would be to man the fuck up.

>If neither are possible, then leave.

Not going to happen, buttercup.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412993
Well fuck you too.

[Anonymous No.]

Please stream /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>10412780
Going to ignore all of the other posts, since you were just insulting each others with no actual point, and I have no intention to jump into that.

What this replay proves, is that there are ways to get around Utsuho's patterns consistently enough to pacify the entire fight.

Getting angry at a game usually gets you no further. Instead, you should study and learn methods for the boss battles. SA heavily relies on memorisation, especially with the parts you seem to have trouble with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10411743
Same here. Raymoo is way too slow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413132
Peta Flare didn't look like getting around it at all, or consistent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413132
SA does indeed heavily rely on memorization. However I don't think memorization will help much with Utsuho. Her first spell card I know how to do, but actually putting it into practice is difficult.
Peta Flare is hit or miss, sometimes it's really easy other times it's really hard.
Third spell card is memorization with the safe spot and all, I can capture that one because of that.
4th spell card I can't do at all. It messes with my eyes too much.
Her final spell ain't that bad though.

Utsuho is the only stage 6 boss that I can't capture anything on (Not counting the safespot spell card)

[Anonymous No.]

Which Marisa in SA is most similar to Marisa B from EoSD? There doesn't seem to be one that has master spark or laser and it's upsetting me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413352
MarisaA's bomb is a short, single piercing laser, but obviously this isn't what you mean. There is no Master Spark either. MarisaB can get similar to her usual spread shot with Water type, but in SA there isn't anything similar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413874
I think is why I am having trouble with SA. I can't decide if I like Marisa A or B better. It's also bothering me that either Marisa A or B's shot becomes a spread shot when you focus which throws me off because i use focus most of the time and i wanted something like laser Marisa in 6-8.

I guess I'll just have to get used to it. I've only been playing 2 weeks or so and I beat 6-10 with very few problems on normal. I can 1CC 6, 7 and 8 but I cannot beat SA for the life of me.

[Anonymous No.]

You think thats bad? I can't play Marisa at all, in any game.
She's TOO fast. I always go hurtling into a random bullet while trying to collect powerups.
I'm so bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413897
I can't play as Reimu because she is too slow. It helps me a lot that Marisa is fast and can get power ups more easily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413897
Yep, same here.
I always play with Reimu, Marisa is just too imprecise for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413889
I don't think you understand how B works. If you press shot and focus together, your type changes. It cycles between focused, spread, diagonal-fire, backwards-fire and side-fire. You won't be switching types unless you hit both at the same time, not just when focusing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413939
I know that but the focused one seems to spread out more when you use focus mode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413983
It does with MarisaA, but all of MarisaB's types don't change at all when in focus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414073
Ohhhh, okay. I think I'm going to use B then. It seems like all her bombs are so piddly in SA. I really wish MS was in there but I guess it is pretty overpowered in a sense.

[Anonymous No.]

http://shinh.skr.jp/sdmkun/
How long can /jp/ survive?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413889
Just use Reimu A like a normal person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414126
This.
When I was going for my SA hard 1cc, I kept using Reimu C and failing. Switched to Reimu A and beat it after a few more tries.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414126
I can't. I'm terrible with Reimu. I tried to beat EoSD with Reimu A for several days then switched to Marisa B and beat it in a few tries. Reimu just doesn't fit me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414149
Reimu's speed changed a bit between the games. Movement aside, she's pretty much objectively the best shot type in SA, and shot type is what you're complaining about, so. She has probably the hardest Satori fight, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414158
I'll try Reimu A but she has never worked for me in any of them. The speed bothers me too, not just shot type.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414158
>She has probably the hardest Satori fight, though.
Only the first spellcard is hard.
The second one is pathetically easy and the third one you can safespot, but even without it it's not very difficult.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413352
Use Reimu A

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414092
MarisaA or B's bombs were meant to be used right on top of the boss for maximum damage. One will do significant damage to a spellcard, two kills almost every spellcard. Abuse it or use in on cards you have a hopeless capture rate on. If your pride won't allow you to do that, practice mode is the way to go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414291
Talking about MarisaB's for the damage, by the way. MarisaA's is slightly weaker, although it hardly matters since she can carry more bombs in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414283
I was using her earlier and her shot is pretty good. I feel like I am betraying Marisa though.

>>10414291
>>10414299
I'll try that. I like Piercing Marisa.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414304
Hit up practice mode and get a good feeling for the invincibility timer after each bomb too. You don't want to run out of invincibility retreating after your point-blank bombs. MarisaA's bomb is shorter with very little screenclearing potential, so you will have to get used to this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414318
I think I'm going to try that.

I'm playing Reimu A now and it feels like Easy Mode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414339
Welcome to touhou.

I'm pretty certain that it does that for everyone.

Anyway, I wasn't a great fan of marisa tree, but in SA Marisa C bomb is almost too good, If you use it on deathbomb, you avoid death but still keep the kappa shell (ie bomb effect), so you can get that 0.5 power back; or get a full screen clear if you fail.
Of course don't count on it for damage.

Marisa A is what feels the most like Marisa B in EoSD, since she has comparable cleaning abilities and bombs that dish out good damages. Eventhough it only clears a little it's good enough to save your ass from a spellcard, and you've got 8 of them. Generally you'll only need one of them, unless you're on a spellcard that gives you a lot of trouble, you might need two, but never three.

I don't really see the appeal of marisa B is SA, but I'm nowhere near top-tier player; this is all my personal preference anyway.

SA have very different shot type for Marisa and different kind of danmaku. It might take you three days to beat it instead of one. It's not particulary hard, it's just fast aimed bullets combined with slow static/semi aimed patterns, you don't even need to focus to dodge most of the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414304
Bro just wait til you play UFO. Marisa is buck wild in that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10415006
>>>/a/

[Anonymous No.]

>>10413346
>Her first spell card I know how to do, but actually putting it into practice is difficult.
Then you must try harder and get a better touch on it. Misdirecting the suns and dodging the blue scatter is not that hard once you get into it.

>Peta Flare is hit or miss, sometimes it's really easy other times it's really hard.
Peta Flare is the only purely RNG releated card she has, yes. You should be able to clear it with one bomb, though. - And I would indeed plan a bomb on it for survival runs, just like I would plan a bomb on Byakuren's first spell.

>4th spell card I can't do at all. It messes with my eyes too much.
Move so, that your movements will form a box. Practice, it's not really that hard.

[Hexer !NHpYSS45yU No.]

>>10411320
Nope, not at all.
Either Marisa or Sakuya.
Maybe Youmu once in a while, but playing Reimu ends producing endless amounts of suck for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410005
Scoring Challenge: SA easy
Score: 227,279,440

Second SA easy clear since I started playing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416132
That is a lot of graze for a survival run

[Anonymous No.]

>>10416256
Just experimenting. May improve the run in the future.

[Anonymous No.]

Rate my win <3

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417073
Crap score, three deaths but still a win against a seriously hot loli. 6/10 for a first clear maybe?

It's not bad in any case, i've seen many people clear Extra with way worse results. Congratulations. :>

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417073
thats so sugooooii desuu~~ congrats on the wordl record ^^

[FaggotryInc No.]

>>10417073
>YOLO.png

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417073
I'm hoping this was your very first try at Extra, anon. That's all I'm going to say.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10414717
>be Marisa A
>fighting Yamame
>Last card
>Immediately bomb
>Fly through the spirals with invul
>Why can't I hold all this graze

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Pretty new to touhou. Got a question.
I am trying to get through stage 1 on TH12 at the moment (lunatic)
Once I have it done, it is unlocked for practise mode right?
I then would like to practice stage 2, to be able to get through both of them in one go.
Is this somehow possible? Or do I have to play through stage 1 everytime I want to have an attempt to clear stage 2.

BTW: What does it mean when it says "Spell unlocked" or something like that. Do I get something for it, except xp-points?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417463
Every time you use a continue you will start at the beginning of the stage that you gameovered on, so no you don't need to go through stage 1 every time if you're using continues.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417463
You can't just skip ahead to stage two at the start if that's what you are asking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417463
In every game prior to Ten Desires, you have to CLEAR the stage to unlock it in practice mode, and it will only unlock for the character, shot type, and difficulty level you cleared (ie. Clearing a stage with Reimu A won't unlock stage practice for Reimu B or for either of Marisa or Sanae's shot types, clearing it on Lunatic won't unlock stage practice for the lower difficulty levels).

You have to partially master a stage in normal play to unlock it in practice in UFO, along with MoF and SA, which can be very frustrating since a game over starts you at the beginning of the stage with the default number of lives and yields a bad ending in most cases. On the bright side, MoF, SA, and UFO have unlimited continues, so as long as you reach a stage and don't quit, you can replay it as much as you wish until you either raise the white flag or grind it enough to get a clutch "clear". Meanwhile, every other game in the series lets you resume from where you died, but you also have a finite number of continues (usually 3) and you get a bad end if you clear stage 6 if you used a continue, and in the case of TD, you simply have to make it that far to unlock the stage for practice mode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417533
And in the case of MoF, SA, and UFO, if you are savvy enough you can edit the game files to open practice for you even if you haven't achieved it normally. I found this particularly handy with SA's Satori fight as you can test yourself with all the shot types against her without having to repeatedly make your way to her. Technically this would be considered cheating, but to each their own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417533
>>10417492
Thank you for your answers.
However, it appears I still dont quite get it.
I have Ten Desires aswell. I had to CLEAR stage1 (youmu/lunatic) to unlock it for youmu alone. I cant practice stage1 with any other character, no matter the difficutly.

And what does it mean, I have to partially master a a stage in UFO to unlock it for pracitce mode. I already made it up to the boss of stage1 in UFO, but failed it. Is this not patially mastered enough? Its not unlocked for practice.

>>10417522
How can I skip a stage. (Like I said I managed to get through stage1 with youmu, but I dont know where I can skip stage 1 now) Sorry if this is such an obvious thing for most of us here, I couldnt figure it out. Is there a key/shortcut ? Wikipedia was no help either.

I hope I am not bothering you with this ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417554
I didn't know you could edit the game files to unlock practice stages for SA. I knew that full game replays in MoF would unlock practice mode stages though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417574
Why are you starting with lunatic if you can't even beat the first stage?
Of course, you're free to do whatever you like but I don't get why some people insist on starting with lunatic. It's just silly to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417574
>And what does it mean, I have to partially master a a stage in UFO to unlock it for pracitce mode
I meant that you have to clear the stage to unlock it, and if you get completely rolled by it even if you went into the stage with surplus lives (four or more), using a continue will start you off with 3 lives. Unlocking the stage in practice at that point forces you to be on the ball and fuck up as little as possible, which can make stages 5 and 6 torturous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417463
Yeah, good luck man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417591
I like a challange.
Been playing my first 30minutes of touhou in my life now. Managed to get through 2 stages on lunatic on 2 different versions.
I'll continue on lunatic. Totally doable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417610
Heh, if you stick with the games like this then you'll probably become decent pretty quickly

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417616
Thanks mate! I really like it. I am a long term tetris player (Tetris online Japan). Guess that helps with the reaction.

Now, I just need to figure out how to skip stages, heh. Oh well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417610
Oh god that talent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417624
You can't ``skip stages''.
You can try and practice individual stages in Practice Mode, but you can't skip a stage if you're doing a normal run.
This is not Tetris.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417776
Things are coming down the screen and you have to react accordingly. How is this not tetris

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417800
because sometimes you have to move up the top half and dodge what is coming from below.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417800
I meant it's not Tetris because you can't skip the stages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417826
Ah, I see

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417690
Bemani games actually help a lot with reaction speed as well. As somebody who can handle 11s and 12s in IIDX, getting to a Stage 3 of Lunatic on my first try wasn't a big deal at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417930
I cleared every 10 dan in IIDX CS, and I'm just starting to attempt transitioning into Normal mode after two weeks of playing Touhou, but then again I'm terrible at video games and have to brute force the almighty fuck out of anything I play to get better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10410005 (OP)
>>10416132
Scoring Challenge: SA easy
Score: 227,913,070 (+633,630)
Graze: 10,003 (+11)

Miniscule improvement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10417930
it's not specific to Bemani, the 3 main skill based arcade genres (STG, Rhythm games & Puzzle games) all require/build quick reactions as well as other skills needed, a lot of the top players in each genre are also skilled in one of the others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10418517
I was never really too good at puzzle games except for Panel de Pon and maybe Tetrisphere (neither of which were ever playable in arcades), but I played loads of IIDX, ITG, and PIU, along with some pop'n on that dinky little thing they called a KOC. However, I rarely if ever played STGs, which is probably why I'm progressing at a normal to slightly above average pace.

I'm also in limbo between choosing to play mainly with the keyboard or the 360 controller. It's easier to do diagonal movements and dodge without using focus, plus it's pretty nice to not having to hunch over a keyboard, but tapping is a bitch and I cannot find a comfortable key to bind bomb to. Focus is presently "X" because the triggers aren't recognized keys in key config (along with right stick and the directional pad) and the bumpers don't hold reliably, so I made bomb RT. I guess I should just do a bullshit run in a piss easy game like Ten Desires and bomb spam like a tard until I get used to the location of the "not die" button.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10418634
Keyboard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10418517
You forgot to include Fighting Games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10418703
I figured this would happen.

He meant single player games, I'm sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10418703
>mashing random buttons
>skill

[Anonymous No.]

>>10418391
Dying is bad in easy after the initial suicide, by the way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10418634
I use a PS2 controller for Touhou with X as shoot, L1 as focus and R1 as bomb, it's comfortable and being able to a different finger for each button helps.

>>10418703
I meant single player games, fighting games are more about predicting your opponent & baiting them into doing what you want, though quick reactions are important they don't really work in the same way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10420057
swap bomb and focus and I use pretty much the same thing.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you deal with decreasing framerates while playing STGs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10420107
With Touhou, I always try to play on hardware that can run the game at an optimal framerate at all times. If the framerate isn't smooth, i don't play it.

There are shmups out there where the slow-down is considered in the design however. You'll often seen this in STG's by Cave. If what you are asking is how to deal with this kind of slowdown i can only say that you have to practice it so that you get a feel for when the game is going to slowdown and try to use it to your advantage. Also, if the event of the game speeding up again when you aren't ready for it, you might want to keep a bomb handy just in case.

[Anonymous No.]

[Annie No.]

>Scoring challenge: SA Easy
http://replays.gensokyo.org/downlo.php?id=26642
Stage 6 is pretty hard... I died to a crow. D:

I'll improve this is Quinn beats me!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10420165
I was asking because my laptop is outdated and the framerate drops every now and then. For Touhou, I can usually manage to make it run on a solid 60, but some other shmups can only play normally for about 30 minutes, until the framerate abruptly drops significantly. Makes it really annoying to play through, especially if it happens in the middle of a playthrough where I'm doing good.

Thanks for the advice, I might stop playing PC shmups for a while until I get a decent computer.

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any infographs or recfiles for a way to reliably set up and play Touhou?
My half-assed attempts don't work anymore and I want to play Mountain of Faith.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10420057
I don't have a USB conversion cable, which is why I use a wired 360 controller.

Any recs for converters? I just really don't like the lack of diagonal freedom I feel I have with the keyboard. I'd use the PS3 controller, but it doesn't respond at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10420676
>I just really don't like the lack of diagonal freedom I feel I have with the keyboard.
Try pressing two directions simultaneously, Anonymous! Be careful, though. Don't try pressing three or more or two opposite directions unless you're an experienced professional!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10420676
I just a cheap one off ebay, it cost about £3 & works fine.

>>10420434
for Touhou using the vsync patches helps keep a steady frame rate, you could try clearing up some disk space, that should help a little.

[Anonymous No.]

Any Touhou game that doesn't have a shite scoring system?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10420742
Perfect Cherry Blossom. Undefined Fantastic Object.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10420742
SoEW, MS, IN & MoF

[Anonymous No.]

>>10420796
>SoEW
I have bad news for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10418741
>>10420057
And the difference between a human opponent and an ai that acts like a human opponent is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10420848
The human opponent doesn't read your inputs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10420848
>ai that acts like a human opponent
in STGs? ....are you high or just retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

Please stream /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>10420867
If the AI is programmed well enough that wouldn't make a difference. I don't think fighting games are at that stage yet, though single player is still very enjoyable in lots of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10420742
None of them besides maybe MoF. Any game that rewards milking bosses for as much time as possible is fundamentally incompatible with being good. Unless it's Psyvariar.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the easiest STG?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10420959
Seconding this question. I'm relatively new to the genre and I feel like I've bitten more than I could chew.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10420959
>>10420986
Touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10421002
Touhou is hard as HELL

[Anonymous No.]

>>10421058
Try Dodonpachi Dai Ou Jou and say that to my face again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10421058
The genre is centered around with "hard as hell" being the status quo, but Touhou is much easier and accessible to get into than most games in the genre.IN, MoF, and TD, have a lower base difficulty level compared to the other titles, along various practice modes and mechanics that make survival easier (Reimu's death bomb window in IN, bombs in MoF based off power instead of a set number, etc.).

If you're a newbie to the genre and you start out on PCB, SA, UFO, or the Aya spinoffs, you're going to get your shit kicked in unless you learn abnormally fast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10420959
Easiest STG in general? Genetos. Hands down the easiest.

Easiest Arcade STG, hard to say. But I'm going to go with the first loop of DDP when you're playing C-S.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>10420959
Karous

[Anonymous No.]

>>10421122
I'm going to pick this up, thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10421074
Touhou is hard as HELL

[Anonymous No.]

>>10421193
told hard

[Anonymous No.]

Please stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>10421203
I can stream for an hour or two later tonight, probably. Maybe DOJBL since apparently I'm still somewhat acceptable at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10421193
Try Mars Matrix and say that to my face again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10421193
myfirsttry.png

[Anonymous No.]

>>10421074
I'm sorry, but black label is piss easy. You should have specifically told him to play white label.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10421226
100% trufax

[Anonymous No.]

>>10421193
>Black Label

[Anonymous No.]

>>10421080
Who are you trying to kid? TD is by no means an easy game for a newbie to start with. Even though the game has slightly easier patterns than some of the others, the fact remains that you still get much less resources than any of the other games. Unless you trance at all the key spots, you're going to have to finish with 4-5 lives.

>If you're a newbie to the genre and you start out on PCB, SA, UFO, or the Aya spinoffs, you're going to get your shit kicked in unless you learn abnormally fast.

I didn't start with PCB, but it was the second game that I played and I didn't find it that hard at all. Between borders and the abundance of resources the game gives you it didn't take me long to get my first 1cc of this.
As for UFO, UFO normal is easy, it's another perfectly fine game to start with.
SA on the other hand, has a really hard normal mode and is definitely one of those games you should stay away from if you're a beginner.

[Anonymous No.]

Ok /jp/ it's time to settle this once and for all.

UFO or SA?
Which one is harder?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422245
megamari

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422245
PoFV

[Anonymous No.]

>>10421193
>Black Label
>only beat half the game
i lel'd m8

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422249
I tried to play that again the other day and ended up getting super frustrated, so I'm inclined to agree.

[Anonymous No.]

Who is the sexiest touhou player?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422456
Me on the left.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422456
Me. I'm easily an 8/10 in the looks department.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422245
Both are shit so it's like picking the crustiest turd out of the two of them.

[Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA No.]

Anybody interested in a stream? Could be Touhou, DOJBL, Crimzon Clover, whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422632
Only if it's touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422632
Not if it's anything but touhou

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422638
>>10422651
But, why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422119
>As for UFO, UFO normal is easy, it's another perfectly fine game to start with.

Are you crazy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422662
This is the touhou board, go to /vg/ if you want to discuss other STGs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422737
Not the same guy but the OP does say "Talk about Touhou and other STGs".

[Anonymous No.]

Ketsui makes my head spin ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422713
No. I beat UFO normal within 2 hours after struggling with SA for two weeks. It's easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422787
I was the other way around, kind of. Once I watch some replays and such SA took maybe 15 hours - not much for a normal, personally. UFO took over 30, and I still cannot 1cc it again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422737
>This is the touhou board
It is nothing of the sort. This is the Otaku Culture board, and it is firmly set into precedent that other STGs are part of that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422743
>>10422737
You can discuss other STGs but when it comes to streaming people are usually only interested in Touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422903
This. Stream whatever the hell you want, but don't be shocked when you only have 4 viewers seeing as nobody really cares to watch anything but Touhou here.

[Anonymous No.]

Sorry but, well I was wondering, you see I've been wanting to get into touhou and STG in general but well, I really don't seem to understand the games yet, I mean the basic stuff yes but well, I tried starting with EOSD but I can't beat it at normal without using continues, I really want to 1cc but I just, well, seem to suck at this. I tried then Perfect Cherry Blossom and it's even worse, the Prismriver sisters just took all my continues and seems like I will never get past Youmu's stage. I really gave it hours practicing but I have no progress in any of the two games and trying another game would me pointless if I can't get past this ones.

I really want to 1cc at least one Touhou, so I was wondering, maybe here is where those good at STG gather? Just wondering any advice well, yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422915
>so I was wondering, maybe here is where those good at STG gather
you'd be wrong mate

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422929
Well, those who try?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422931
try again

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422936
So nobody here knows shit? But, I bet people here at least finished one game in normal without continues, right? Otherwise, who's gonna help me? I thought those here were good at touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422941
No, it's impossible to finish the games on normal or higher difficulty without continuing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422941
>finished one game in normal without continues
>good at touhou.
Not really the same thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422941
Don't expect to clear it on your first few tries. You will need to spend dozens of hours of grinding practice to clear a game; thousands hours to get "good" at these games. Or you could just be talented like a lot of the "good" western players I have seen are and get "good" after a few hundred hours.

[Anonymous No.]

Going to try to unlock dat Kanako in Lunatic mode. When I do, MoF stage 4 and 6 practice.
www.twitch.tv/velguarder

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422941
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Gettg_Started

All you nedd

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422915
>hours
How many hours ?
It took me 3 months to get my first 1cc PCB. 3 months practicing and failed over 50 full runs. Don't expect to be good at these games in a matter of hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422958
>>10422969
>>10422980
Thanks, I guess being games of 6 stages give the wrong idea that this are games to beat in a matter of days, I'm sorry for interrupting your discussion.
Just two questions, if I start with EoSD, which character should one try at first and with what difficulty?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10423008
Characters are usually personal preference. In EoSD, Reimu has a homing shot type, much slower movement, and a smaller hitbox. Marisa has piercing laser shot type, faster movement speed, and unfortunately a bigger hitbox. Difficulty is up to you, as well. If you choose a higher difficulty, you'll just end up grinding more and taking longer to clear it. Though after grinding on a high difficulty, you can step down one level in difficulty and find it much easier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10423036
I believe Marisa's hitbox is just as small as Reimu in EoSD, although I am not completely sure about this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422980
In 10 hours you can reach a PCB 1cc if you're moderately good at SHMUPs though.

[Anonymous No.]

I just got my second 1cc today, using Sakuya A in PCB. The first 1cc I ever did was with Sakuya B in PCB. I still have yet to 1cc any other game though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10422963
You got so close on Nue.
Nice try.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10423242
I've only got the no bomb no ufo nue once. I got that one ufo just to get past that annoying part in the stage.
Thanks for watching

[Anonymous No.]

>>10423246
No prob. I honestly didn't see how you squeezed through some shots.
Were you using a joysticK?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10423138
This is true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10423251
Keyboard. A shitty one at that.
I'm running on my ASUS G73JH so I'm using a chiclet keyboard. I can't bomb when I've got shift+Z pressed. It only happens for X S and W.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10423275
That still seemed like you had pretty smooth movement. I have an ASUS G74SX-A1 so I know exactly what you're dealing with. I don't know if I have the same issue on my keyboard. I haven't played much STGs on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10423298
I've just gotten used to it. I fear I'll always have trouble with attacks like Kanako's second spell card.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10421080
Fuck you, IN is as hard as SA as far as normal mode goes.
In fact, I have an easier time with SA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10423755
Took me just under 2 weeks to 1cc IN on hard, took a fraction of that for all the other games.
I don't see why it gets called the easiest when the easiest is clearly PCB/MoF.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10423761
The stages for the most part being non-issues with the border team coupled with the border teams insane death-bomb reaction time frame is part of why it's considered easy. Another part of it is that the game has a lot of patterns that can be memorized compared to other games in this series which means that once you've learnt them you can handle them consistently. For the attacks that can't be memorized the generous death bombing time means that you can concentrate a lot more on the bombing because any fucks ups are easy to react to and deathbomb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10423868
So anything that is to be hated.
Lack of difficulty, dull memorisation, no reflexes needed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10423881
It's still plenty difficult on Lunatic though. It's not as if you can just play it 5 times and 1cc it. Difficulty isn't the be all and end all anyway. There are plenty of bad STGs that are difficult.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10423761
IN generally has harder patterns than most of the series, but the amount of resources you get makes it one of the easiest to clear, also spellcard practice is an easy way of learning to do spellcards without having to run through full stages.

>>10423868
>generous death bombing time means that you can concentrate a lot more on the bombing because any fucks ups are easy to react to and deathbomb.

having the ability to half your resources isn't a helpful mechanic.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck you faggots. You're all completely backwards. I'm starting to think you have some inside joke where you say easy things are hard and hard things are easy.
I keep hearing Byakuren is hard. Well she isn't, at all. Her first spell card is the only thing that would cause any problems. I hear some people saying Devil's Recitation is hard too but it really isn't, concentrating on the bullets that come from the side render that spell trivial.
Then I hear Miko is easy. What. Compare her micrododge non spells to Byakurens (or any stage 6 bosses non spells actually, minus Kanako and Remi's opener). The difference in difficulty is rather large. She has more spell cards than the other stage 6 bosses too. Now I know a few of her spells are quite easy, but quantity still adds to difficulty regardless, that's just even longer you have to play perfect for.
Her last spell is no doubt easier than all the other stage 6 bosses final spell, but it's still easy to mess up. I've practiced it a number of times and I still mess up when I get to it in a real run, and I know several well known players that seem to have this problem too.

Anyway the point of this post is you're all shit and Miko is easily one of the top 3 most difficult stage 6 bosses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10423953
"being good at STGs" isn't a single block skill. There are lots of different little skills that make up that whole. This means that what certain people find difficult will be different to what other people find difficult. It's possible that you're bad at something that most others are very good at, whilst being good at something that most others are bad at.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10423953
It's not that hard , it's just random micro dodging.
Anyways, I think the biggest issue with Miko is that her final spell is so fucking disappointing, it fits so well with the background and with the music, but it doesn't have the nerve wracking feeling that others final spells have, like Kanako's or Byakuren's

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424030
>it's just random micro dodging
not him but wouldnt that be considered hard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10423953
>Then I hear Miko is easy. What. Compare her micrododge non spells to Byakurens (or any stage 6 bosses non spells actually, minus Kanako and Remi's opener)

Miko looks and fights like someone who just got out of bed. And her non-spells are easy.

If she is in the Top 3, who would the other ones be? Let me guess, Utsuho and Kanako right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424084

>Miko looks and fights like someone who just got out of bed. And her non-spells are easy.

Considering I have to bomb or die to them, Id have to say no, they're not easy. They make someone like Byakurens non spells look like a joke.


>If she is in the Top 3, who would the other ones be? Let me guess, Utsuho and Kanako right?

Wrong. Remilia and Eirin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424110
Yeah okay, different skillsets and all that. I was wondering though, what difficulty are you playing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424068
It depends on the skills of each player, dont you think? Sometimes you have to find a sweet spot for a spell card that looks imposible, sometimes you have to carefully manage your movements to not be trapped and sometimes you just have to dodge things as they come, each player can be good or bad at different things.
The first time i played TD i almost beated it without having a clue about the spell cards and what to do for each one. In SA i had so many problems since stage 2.
Its just perspective, i suppose

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424139
Hard and lunatic. I'm playing hard for TD right now, but lunatic for the rest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424084
>Miko looks and fights like someone who just got out of bed.

Yeah, well, she did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10423953
>Miko
>you have to play perfect
See, that's the exact opposite of what you have to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424198
Except you do have to play perfect. Lest you forget, TD gives you barely any lives, so you have to play perfect in that game more so than the others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424207
Yeah, thats true, and its a thing i dont like at all about TD, why does it have to be so difficult to gain lives and bombs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424186
It was a damn long sleep, too!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424207
You get a low amount of lives compared to other Touhou games but 7 lives or however many you can get is still quite a lot leaving plenty of room for error. It's only a 25 minute long game or so and the patterns are less difficult than usual so it makes sense that the game offers less lives than usual. Also, trances are a valuable resource that can skip hard attacks if used in proper situations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424207
Haven't played TD a lot, but don't you get a lot of bombs if you trance at the right places? I think that makes up for the amount of lives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424277
It should work that way, but it feels like death bombing is a billion times harder compared to the other games simply because death trance cockblocks it at least 3/4ths of the time, which really messes up bomb and live collection.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10423953
You're insane.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10423953
>>10424068
>>10424207
>>10424221
>>10424281

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424235
You'll get around 7 lives if you trance in the absolute perfect locations throughout the game. The average you're going to get is 5-6. I wouldn't call 5-6 lives plenty.

>>10424277
Not really no. Compared to EoSD and PCB I guess you could say you get a decent amount of bombs, but compared to the more recent games I'd say you get less.

>>10424357
So I've heard.


>>10424386
I can make petty images like this for all the games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424457
The difference being, for TD it's actually optimal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10423881
>Lack of difficulty
>dull memorisation
>no reflexes
Clueless, but I expect nothing less. Stick to your survival runs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10423953
Post your NMNB of Lunatic Byakuren, if she's so easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424584
I can't NMNB any of the stage 6 bosses so no. That doesn't change the fact that I find her easy and can capture most of her spells and non spells.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424606
You mean you can capture her last spellcard easily but you're having difficulty with Miko?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424606
Post a replay of Byakuren, where you capture most of her attacks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424659
No I can't capture her last spell card. Not on lunatic, not yet anyway.
I can capture Byakurens first, third and fourth non spells easily, haven't learned the lunatic second memo spell yet but that's also another easy attack she has which I could capture 100% of the time after I learn it. I can capture Devil's Recitation about 80% of the time now. So that's what? 5 attacks right there I can usually capture.
Now let's compare.
I can't capture any of Miko's nonspells. I can't capture the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th spell cards reliably.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424684
Post a replay of such a Byakuren battle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424681
>>10424713

Why are you getting so defensive? Are you that devastated that I find a boss you think is hard easy? I guess I'll rub some salt in the wound then by saying Byakuren on lunatic is easier than Miko on hard.
As for the post a replay spamming, no. I'll post one showing me capturing the non spells I was talking about earlier after I come back from eating, but that's about all. I only unlocked Byakuren on lunatic a few hours ago and thus haven't had enough time to practice her enough for me to feel comfortable posting a replay of the full fight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424584
lol why would somebody no bomb byakuren when you can get 5 bombs from her stage section

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424775
lulz why indeed ^_^ I capture devils recitation 4/5 times if I bomb ^_^

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424775
Score, NBNV runs etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424775
How dare you mention bombing Byakuren. It's okay to call Utsuho easy because you can bomb her to death but Byakuren? Blasphemy. Let's just forget you get 5? (I thought it was 4 but what do I know) free bombs during her stage which means you can bypass anything that gives you trouble. Let's just forget one of her spells is an easy completely static spell. Let's forget her nons aren't hard.
Let's forget you can bypass her entire fight by learning her easiest attacks, her LFS, then bombing the rest.
Truly the hardest boss!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424805
Oh and if one of you faggots tries to say I can't do this, then I'll gladly make a mockery of your slut queen if you give me a copy of a score.dat with UFO lunatic stage 6 unlocked for Reimu A. I'll need a few hours to learn the static spell and her non spells then I'll just bomb the shit out of her.
Don't try give me that "lel u need 2 bomb tho" bullshit. Blame your beloved game for handing me 5 bombs on a silver platter.
Hell, if I got good lucky I could even no death the bitch with a few hours practice, providing I get a lucky with LFS.
Keep in mind I can't no death run any other stage 6 boss on lunatic, but I can see it being entirely possible with Byakashit.


As a side note, it's nice to see I have some fellow "vocal" UFO haters for once.
Nice change of pace from all the ass kissing this pile of shit receives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424832
>I've never played Byakuren in my entire life but somehow I know that everyone who actually has is wrong and dumb and I'm gonna internet tough guy about it until someone actually calls my bluff

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424832
>The games is too hard for me to beat so I hate it :(

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424840
I've played vs Byakuren on normal and hard, and seen more than enough of what she can do on lunatic to not be intimidated.
Keep being upset as fuck though, bitch nigger.

>>10424847
Games too boring more like it. I'll take the boredom though to once and for all show how easy Byakuren is when someone (and make no mistake, someone will) gives me the score.dat

It's not my fault your game can't hold my attention for shit.

Typical UFO fags trying to defend their shitty game with the same generic replies. What's new.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh almost forgot.

>>10424840
>>10424847
Classy samefagging. Thought I didn't catch that, huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424860
You're not even trying now. You can't make it that obvious that you're trolling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424856
>Keep being upset as fuck though
>>10424856
>bitch nigger.
>>10424856
>fags
>>10424832
>faggots
>>10424832
>pile of shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424864
You can't make it that obvious that you're desperately samefagging, despite it being blatantly obvious.

>>10424865
Swearing =/= upset
Yeah, no. Is it your first time being on the internet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424731
why do you fill our board with such lies, saving a replay in 2hu is easier clearing stage 1 easy modo, if you find these bosses so easy and can easily capture their spellcards why no replay? making such claims without providing proof will/did just get you laughed at.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424873
^_^ of course, being upset leads to swearing ^_^

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424883
Now you're resorting to ironic shitposting? Please, you're embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

MoF has the best scoring system out of every game, much better than TD and SA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424916
Be quiet. I'm educating you brain dead fucks about how shit of a game UFO is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424916
IN has the best scoring system.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10424945
UFO>TD
Sexier bosses. Better music. More difficult patterns. Difficulty doesn't cap at Stage 4. It spikes from there. Stage 1,2 and 3 are considerably more difficult than their TD counterparts.

Could it be that you are in fact Miko herself trying to insult your arch-enemy's game to cover up your own hilarious incompetence?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10425089
>Sexier bosses
Yuyuko's sexier than anything in UFO

[Anonymous No.]

>>10425089
No idea why you're assuming I love TD when I actually love EoSD, PCB and IN.
It matters not though, since UFO is considerably worse than every other Touhou game, I'll gladly defend trance to win, the game over it.

>Sexier bosses
I don't think so. I was contemplating writing more here but considering the fact Futo is higher up than every UFO character on the Touhou popularity poll I feel this speaks for itself.
If that doesn't then consider the following. UFO has Ichirin. The single worst Touhou character in the series.
The only sexy character is Kogasa, but unfortunately for you, she appears in TD too. Unlucky.

>Better music
Bullshit. My music thread I have up on jp even proves that the majority of people choose TD's soundtrack over UFO's.
Saying that however, I will say Emotional Skyscraper is a little better than True Administrator.

>More difficult patterns.
That's why I'm stuck on TD and not UFO, right?
You get almost as many lives in a No UFO run than you do in an average run of TD. Funny how that works, eh?

>Difficulty doesn't cap at Stage 4. It spikes from there.
If by spike you mean has a hard stage 5 then a pathetic stage 6, then I agree. As I said earlier. You can bomb almost everything Byakuren has thanks to her stage giving you an abundance of bombs for free.
Miko shits over Byakuren in terms of difficulty.

>Stage 1,2 and 3 are considerably more difficult than their TD counterparts.

No they aren't. You're trying too hard now.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there rank in IN?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10425156
>>More difficult patterns.
>That's why I'm stuck on TD and not UFO, right?
>You get almost as many lives in a No UFO run than you do in an average run of TD. Funny how that works, eh?
Try thinking through what you just said one more time.

Here's a hint: It has nothing to do with how difficult the patterns are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10425171
Alright I'm thinking it over.


...Nope, not seeing anything wrong with what I wrote.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10425179
The amount of resources you get has nothing to do with the difficulty of patterns. Idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10425159
no only EoSD & the PC98 games have rank

[Anonymous No.]

>>10425183
Actually, idiot, I never said they did. The resource comment was merely added on to further prove my point that TD is more difficult. Having a fraction of the resources means you can make fewer mistakes which means more difficulty. What part of that is too hard for you to grasp?

[Anonymous No.]

Huh. Would you know, I just gave her a few plays in the practice mode just to see what all the fuss is about.

Miko is actually pretty insane. This is only my second time playing her since September in 2011 but still... You win Mr. TD is harder

http://replays.gensokyo.org/downlo.php?id=26654

[Anonymous No.]

>>10425195
>Having a fraction of the resources means you can make fewer mistakes which means more difficulty.

Not the person you're arguing with, but TD'd resource system is very binary. Survival runs ultimately come down to "do you know where the optimal trance locations are" and dying before the first major one with no way to fill up your trance gauge in time is more often than not grounds for a re-start.

I like the trance system overall, and a hyper isn't necessarily instantly a bad thing. I just dislike how necessary it is to getting resources. You almost never use it the way it was arguably "intended" to be used.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10425206
>http://replays.gensokyo.org/downld.php?id=26654

Also, well done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10425206
Yea I only just starting playing 2 hours ago and can 1cc EoSD on lunatic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10425227
Sure you can. Could I see a replay for that? It would be interesting to see the kind of dodging, a cool person who can 1cc EoSD within 2 hours of playing the game for the first time, is capable of pulling of.

Don't be shy sir! Enlighten us!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10425206
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJaGVLeAo
You can do the same on UFO. Therefore your pathetic attempt at being witty just got shattered.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10425236
Wasn't me. I already know it didn't take you two attempts to do that. No doubt you've been working on that all day.
The funny thing is, I can beat Byakuren on lunatic by dodging 3 spells/non spells then bombing the rest with all the bombs you get from the stage.
All that without even learning the boss.
Too bad you can't say the same about Miko.

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>>10425251
You wanna know the funny thing about this?

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>>10425271
I sure do. Please, do tell.

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>>10425271
SAME PLAYER

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>>10425270
Not overall no, I had some practice on it from the release time. I have done timeouts for her 1st, 2nd, 4th and 6th spell and practiced the others quite a bit too. Haven't played against her since then which is why you don't see me capturing the 3rd card since that one takes more than just skill to capture. You need it memorized.

>>10425277
Yeah, OmegaWeaponX25, that's me

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>>10425282
No shit? That's why I posted it.
How fucking stupid can you be? I even mentioned that in the sentence right under the link.

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>>10425295
Is it my turn to tell you a funny thing now then?

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>>10425299
No, you didn't. That sentence can easily mean 'It's possible to do the same thing in UFO'. The you doesn't necessarily have to refer to me.

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>>10425299
>I even mentioned that in the sentence right under the link.
>How fucking stupid can you be?

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>>10425317
Don't blame me for your own idiocy. It's pretty clear what it means. Your own ineptitude is to blame.

>>10425324
Are you his cheerleader? How cute.

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>>10425331
>It's pretty clear what it means
I know you got problems with this language but that's just silly.

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>>10425270
You have no idea what you're talking about, although that's obvious since you're trying to force some silly argument like every other time in this thread. It is possible to get 28 bomb fragments (3 bombs and a half) in TD's Stage 6. You will also get to Miko with full trance, and be able to get at least two more (plus an additional bomb extend as a result) with the bombs you get from the stage if you are capable of "dodging 3 spells/nonspells" from Byakuren. Take out 7 (3 trances, 4 bombs) hard spellcards or nonspells from Miko, then dodge the rest.

Calling a boss easy if you are allowed to bomb the hard spellcards is silly. Isn't that common sense?

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With such poor grasp of the english language, no wonder he finds Miko so difficult. :>

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Why is always TD vs. UFO.
It's like we can't have any threads or discussions on Miko and TD or Byakuren and UFO without the vocal minority from either camp coming and shitting up the place. It's really astounding.

I know that >>10423953 was pretty brazen, but it's clearly written to incite heated discussion, incredibly transparent and I had thought that we've learned to avoid it.

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>>10425339
I'm well versed in my native language actually. It's a shame I can't say the same about you.

>>10425342
Go do it then, I very much doubt you can get that. Not as easily as I can get 5 bombs in stage 6 of UFO.

>Calling a boss easy if you are allowed to bomb the hard spellcards is silly. Isn't that common sense?

No it isn't. Not when the game hands you 5 bombs right before the boss basically begging you to use them.
It's your own problem if you refuse to use the resources the game gives you.
Ignoring the fact that you get 5 bombs is just plain idiotic.

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>>10425392
It's not as easy, but memo-able since everything is shot at you. Trance timing is the only important thing. Getting 5 bombs in Stage 6 UFO isn't easy either with certain shottypes, by the way.

TD is handing you bombs and multiple trances too, I fail to see the difference.

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>>10425367
I understand that you're trying your best to act like Zengeku, just like you do in all the stream chats but please try to keep your homolust and ironic shit posting to a minimum whilst I put your idol in his place, as I've done in the past.

>>10425409
I could make you a replay of me getting 5 bombs very easily if someone gives me the score.dat I requested earlier.

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What if Miko had similar trance resistance to Yoshika's final spell?

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>>10425430
Reimu A?

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>>10425420
But with which shottype?

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Oh sorry, I didn't realize I was that harsh in my last post. I have a nasty habit of hitting people where it hurts, thus putting an end to their inane posts.
Whilst that has its upsides, I'd prefer if we continued our wonderful discussion like the civilized people we are.

Oh and I know you're trying real hard to get all those bomb fragments in TD. You can't hide shit from me. I'd have had those 5 bombs in UFO stage 6 five times over by now.

No doubt you'll return a while later and say it took you 1 attempt.

Good luck!

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Elixir pls

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>>10425498
It'd feel more like a waste of time. TD isn't my cup of tea. Just happened to point out something that's possible, but isn't easy in Stage 6 that you probably didn't know due to ignorance. No need to post so desperately for a response, here's one.

If you get off on thinking people are in any way upset due to your actions on the internet, better get to clearing that Stage 6 instead of complaining about how you don't have a score.dat. Alternatively, you can say you don't like the game either and end this pointless discussion.

Good luck!

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>>10425565
ur only saying that cos u cant do it lol owned

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>>10425580
That's cute.

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>>10425594
thx

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>>10425565
>Alternatively, you can say you don't like the game

Is that really necessary? The proof is in the pudding, don't you think?
You don't see me asking you if you like TD, do you? I knew you didn't, just like I knew you would jump at any post mentioning TD having anything better than UFO.
UFO players are like that, you see.

Anyway I have no intention of unlocking stage 6 yet because the thought of playing that abomination again is sickening.
I only have to beat it one more time to be rid of it for good, but until then I'd rather remove the thought of playing it out of my mind.
No offense to you or nothing since I know it's something you actively enjoy but I don't like playing shit tier games such as UFO.

Just for the record, TD isn't my cup of tea either, though I'm sure I've mentioned this before. When I play it it's because it has good characters and music.

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>>10425637
If TD is harder then why did I clear TD Hard in 4 credits but I haven't made it past stage 5 Nazrin in 3x as many?

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>>10425667
Because everyone is different.

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>>10425677
Then why do you insist that certain things are harder? Unless of course you are not the person I was talking to.

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>>10425686
I've just came back from making a coffee so no it was not me.
To answer your question though, it's because you're shit. Get good, son. Someday you might be as good as me.
I'll be waiting for you on my throne in the clouds.

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>>10425698
If I'm so shit then why can I clear a game that you can't? I'd also like serious answers to my previous questions.

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>>10425717
You see squire, I'd be more inclined to give you a serious answer if you wasn't trying your very best to troll me in such an insultingly obvious way.

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I like that these threads have become so epic lately.

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>>10425739
I don't understand, how am I trolling you? I'm not very smart.

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>>10425156
>only sexy character is Kogasa
You forgot Nazrin.

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>>10425770
Kogasa... Nazrin... Nue... Murasa... Shou... Would fugg them all so hard...

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>>10425770
I know, I'm sorry. I didn't want to give him the satisfaction by naming 2 sexy characters from UFO. Mousey is cute though.

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>>10425211
>a hyper isn't necessarily instantly a bad thing.
It is when it essentially means you stop playing the game for 10 seconds. Or the entire final boss fight.

Hypers are awesome when done right, but full invincibility isn't doing them right. And that's not even counting the auto-activation on death.

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>>10425754
pls respond

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>>10425770
Nazrin is a mouse.

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>>10425751
And it's the work of a single individual.
The same guy who started a 300+ post shitstorm because he had bomb delay in EoSD.

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>>10425798
No.


>>10425804
What's your point?

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>>10425825
Why not? Is it because you just got BUTTOWNED?

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>>10425804
Doesn't make her any less sexy

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>>10425837
Yeah you completely crucified me, rip.

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>>10425865
If my argument's so weak why don't you have an unironic response to any of my questions?

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>>10425898
I'll answer you soon.
Promise.

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>>10425918
Lying is wrong.

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>2013
>still letting the same guy ruin every stg thread

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>>10426053
I like to tell myself that it's that same idiot responding to his own posts to create the feeling of a "discussion." It's very cute as I imagine it in my mind.

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>>10426521
I think you're cute.

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>>10426657
Don't hit on me silly boy.

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>>10426681
Sorry, but you're very cute. I'll stop talking to you now.

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We have a new thread.
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