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Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 21:58:07 No.10380737 [Reply] [Original]

Can anyone tell me why the fuck consumer electronics in Japan seems to be stuck in the 90s?

While I know that as a whole, they produce some impressive technology that rivals many other countries, from what I've picked up, it seems that Japan is still stuck on flip phones, television, and gaming on shitty ancient PCs. Whereas America has smart phones and tablets everywhere, TV is dying because the internet is awesome, and well, people game on shitty ancient PCs.

Hell, arcades still exist and Japan prefers physical games to digital downloads.

This is coming from the country with holographic hospital light switches and the holographic concert years before anyone in America could say "Tupac is back".

I might be wrong, and if so could somebody try to paint me a more accurate picture of domestic Japanese life in regards to technology? If not, then can someone explain why consumer electronics in Japan is so lax? I'm just confused.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:00:22 No.10380745 You heard wrong

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:00:22 No.10380746 >>10380737 TV isn't dying, we just have internet capable TVs now.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:01:08 No.10380752 You think PC gaming is relevant in Japan? The fuck you heard that from.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:01:53 No.10380751 I've heard that japanese people have some kind of service that makes them able to get cellphones for free, and they happen to be flip phones.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:02:08 No.10380756 >>10380746 Amongst the common folk, sure, might not be dying. However it still isn't as popular as I've read it is in Japan.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:02:53 No.10380760 >>10380752 Well, this is exactly what I meant. PC gaming /isn't/ relevant. What the fuck is up with that?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:03:08 No.10380761 We already have a Japan-is-technologically-stuck-in-the-90s thread here: >>10375507 You may also be interested in our Japan-does-and-believes-stupid-shit thread here: >>10377736

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:05:22 No.10380775 I wish we still had arcades in America. Every time I watch GameCenter CX and it gets to the arcade segment, I just get so upset.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:05:37 No.10380776 >>10380761 Thanks dude, I'll head on right over. I am genuinely curious.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:07:22 No.10380784 Arcades are about the experience. You go there, you hear the music, you hear the buttons being pressed, you get to play come games on custom cabinets, ect.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:09:22 No.10380790 >>10380784 >>10380775 I agree with you guys. I think it's fucking awesome, it's just weird to see everything so stuck. >>10380761 Checked out the first one. That's web design dude. Which I also am curious about, but it seems limited to that.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:12:07 No.10380802 >>10380760 Maybe because PC gaming is shit? Ever think of that?

Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:13:07 No.10380808

>>10380737
I am grateful that japan still prefers physical games over digital bullshit. As for PC gaming not being relevant, you can blame that on sony and nintendo. They never really needed PC's to play games because by the time PC's could be seen as a gaming platform, consoles like nintendo's and sega's were already doing it for a long time.

What's wrong with flip phones? As for smartphones, those are for the most part a western invention. As much as I'd like to think it won't happen, they'll catch up eventually as they get a hold of programming languages and such.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:13:22 No.10380804 >>10380737 Those flip phones are even more advanced than your average western mobile. It's a design choice,thats all.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:15:07 No.10380815 Why would you not own a good CRT television alongside your HD one? Why would you want tablets to be popular at all? Why would you want arcades to die?

Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:15:52 No.10380823

>>10380802
HEY. HEY. HEY. At least it isn't no gaemz

>>10380804
That flip design is genius and sexy anyways. Like the DS. But they're basically smart phones now? Badass.

I know they're big about game-related apps that tie into shit like dynasty warriors and monster hunter, just didn't know it was smartphone level. Cool.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:17:23 No.10380829 >>10380823 >just didn't know it was smartphone level It is not. You should read a few more posts before posting, you clearly belong on /v/.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:17:38 No.10380831 >>10380815 >>10380808 I'm not looking down on that stuff, I'm just very confused by it. As I've said before, I love arcades. I'm indifferent to all phones. I have a CRT alongside my HD. Retro gaming's shit without one anyways.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:17:53 No.10380833 Japanese are generally traditionalist people.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:18:37 No.10380836 >>10380802 >PC gaming is shit He says on the touhou/visual novels board.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:19:52 No.10380838 >>10380829 Then what the fuck is this? >>10380804

Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:20:07 No.10380844

>>10380836
I find it interesting how this stuff, the fan-made stuff, is all on PC and optimized for old computers.

I found it funny when the Rance 8 demo came out, mostly just to let people benchmark their PCs to see if it could handle the move to 3D.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:20:07 No.10380845 >>10380737 People here still prefer physical to digital. Digital takes the fun out of everything

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:20:22 No.10380839 File: 95 KB, 800x855, darius_cabinet.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10380784 I still want to play Darius in an arcade just so I can play on that badass panoramic screen.

Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:20:22 No.10380840
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>>10380737
Pretty much because everything technology-related 90's style is better than the fucking stupid bloat shit marketing media-consuming plastic-all-in-one fucking doucher high-def world us Amerifags live in.

I hate pretty much every modern piece of technology and I feel it deep in my heart that Japan feels the same way I do.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:20:37 No.10380842 >>10380838 Plain bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:22:37 No.10380849 >>10380840 You are talking nonsense.

Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:22:37 No.10380850

>>10380840
When I see morons who can operate an iPhone but not a PC, this is what I think.

Fucking Apple. Why?

For that reason Japan seems pretty awesome, but once again, I just wanted to know if that was true and why it was.

I totally agree with you bro.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:23:22 No.10380853 >>10380842 I'll keep that in mind. Thanks. >>10380849 ...wat?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:23:37 No.10380854 >>10380840 I share your feelings but I think Japan doesn't really care. They're probably in an adaptation stage for now.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:23:37 No.10380855 >>10380850 >bro You are doing it on purpose aren't you?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:24:08 No.10380862 >>10380855 Did you expect an articulate person after getting into a thread with a blue-background image of master chief?

Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:24:37 No.10380857

>>10380850
Everyone in Japan is using iphone.
Android/Samsung is basically irrelevant there. When I was there I think I am the only guy using S2 on the train, everyone is using iphone and while poor students are using their old flipphone. Most of them are also using shuffle as their listening device.
Basically apple is killing all the nips electronic companies at the moment.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:25:07 No.10380871 >>10380857 That would explain Kojima's fetish.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:25:08 No.10380865 >>10380840 A Windows STOP error that doesn't actually contain the word stop? This is madness.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:25:22 No.10380866 File: 38 KB, 195x193, 1355726481807.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10380855 Shhh, you'll ruin it.

Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:25:37 No.10380868 [DELETED]

I will always prefer physical to digital downloads.

You can't honestly believe that downloadable games on your PS3 and Xbox 360 are going to be around forever. Those servers will die and they will eventually become unsupported.

This is also a problem with new games because a lot of them released and are in bad condition and then we have to wait for a patch to come out. That's cool, but what about in the future when those patches are no longer accessible and you buy an older PS3 game? You have to deal with the broken version.

Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:25:37 No.10380869
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>>10380849
No I'm not talking nonsense, every piece of technology nowadays is a piece of fucking shit made for these prefabricated families who walk through a wheat field into a sunset.

You see this fucking image? This is the kind of person windows 8, mac, iphone, flash, web 3.0, HD, kinect, tablets, convertible pcs, all-in-one HP shit, Norton, Mcafee, all of that fucking shit is made for.

It is made for this stereotypical fucking american soccer mom family who walks through a wheat field into a sunset.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:26:08 No.10380877 >>10380869 It's always been like that, you just didn't notice it. Who do you think companies market to?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:26:22 No.10380873 >>10380857 Blame whoever started it. Gotta conform. Gotta conform.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:27:08 No.10380878 >>10380869 see>>10380849

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:27:53 No.10380880 Because all of the modern innovations are from America and Korea, the two countries that Japan hates the most.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:28:07 No.10380881 >>10380869 Okay, I totally agreed with you. Now I think I'm losing you. >implying that there are any perfect american soccer mom families that walk through a wheat field into a sunset

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:28:52 No.10380883 >>10380857 I heard the news that iphone was selling big time in Japan but I always thought that was just stealth marketing from apple. Looks like it wasn't.

Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:30:53 No.10380886

>>10380877
>Who do you think companies market to?

At first they marketed to office chains. Marketing to the family who walks through a wheat field into a sunset, as >>10380869 so adequately put it, started recently when the internet became mainstream.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:31:38 No.10380888 >>10380881 Who the FUCK are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:35:22 No.10380900 >>10380869 >>10380840 I agree so fucking much with this fucker. I fucking loved technology in the '90s, I used to read a lot of magazines and whatnot, but now I don't even want to hear about it.

Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:38:08 No.10380904

>>10380900
Ditto.

Though I think that Anon's a little crazy. A lot of things got fat in the 90s (sepples, Win32, Java applets, Flash), and we're slowly undoing the damage they did.

It would be nice to have current technology from a technical standpoint, but with a more 90s mindset. I guess ubiquity is just ruining everything.

Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:39:23 No.10380908

>>10380883
Yeah. There was a huge queue outside the shibuya apple store when iphone5 came out.
You can also search for nttdocomo vs softbank vs kddi article if you want to see the current japan phone market.
Basically nttdocomo is losing tons of customer since they are the only operator not selling iphone.
Japan is like a few years lagging the western countries. The iphone fad is already dead in the western countries but to japan they are just starting their iphone fad.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:39:38 No.10380910 File: 278 KB, 800x600, 1357574762609.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Neon sign power supplies, microwave parts, Tesla coils floating balls of fire!! Oh and nixie tubes Now we just need some tritium

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:40:08 No.10380912 >>10380904 >A lot of things got fat in the 90s (sepples, Win32, Java applets, Flash) Ah yeh, I think it's a good thing that computing is drifting towards standards, let's hope that keeps going.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:41:37 No.10380917 It sure would be paradise to live in a world where computers, internet, and technology in general was still underground. It breaks my fragile kokoro knowing that we are only moving further and further away from that dream every single day.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:43:23 No.10380922 >>10380917 What happened to the darknet/undergroundnet/internet2 movement? Why not just make a second internet without google, fbi & government finding out?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:44:07 No.10380928 >>10380922 Like Freenet?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:44:37 No.10380926 >>10380917 you can still be a nerd though. you just got to step up your game a little.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:46:22 No.10380929 File: 61 KB, 640x480, 1350873702169.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Daijoubu.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:49:23 No.10380940 File: 123 KB, 800x600, 393278Onpu3b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10380929 Onpu-chan! One of the best things about the Windows XP age.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 22:50:37 No.10380943 >>10380922 >>10380928 ...and anyway, Internet 2 is up. >A consortium led by universities working in partnership with industry and government to develop and deploy advanced network applications and technologies, ...

Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 23:00:37 No.10380985

>>10380877
This right here. Please don't forget the fact that experts are experts. Are you an expert? If so, why aren't you dealing with expert topics?

Understanding that resources and needs are the basis for all technology-oriented functions except
I) scientific progress
and
II) education and training for the sake of scientific progress
is straightforward.

Dreaming about intentional technocracy is understandable but I find it childish. Technology exists to serve people. Science reveals new knowledge and thus allows the creation of new and better technology. If you begin to admire aesthetic minimalism, you'll soon find yourself knee-deep in philosophy and mathematics.

Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 23:04:38 No.10381014

>>10380760
PC gaming isn't relevant anywhere. This site is just plagued by a lot of loud faggots who think it is. I can't remember the last time I played a game on something other than a handheld on the go. What kind of loser sits down at home and plays video games?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 23:04:52 No.10381015 >>10380985 What the butt are you jibbering about? Or is that some general-purpose piece of kopipe that doesn't mean anything?

Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 23:06:38 No.10381027

>>10381015
He's saying shit should be retarded on purpose because the average retard is pretty retarded and only experts should even begin to dream to use things that aren't bloated piles of shit that don't "serve" anyone but actually stand in the way of serving people what they want.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 23:08:07 No.10381033 >>10381014 I often play the calculator game on my cellphone, too, but I would like something that actually has substance occasionally.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 23:08:37 No.10381034 >>10381027 Funny, that bears little relation to any of his tripe there.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 23:09:52 No.10381038 >>10381015 I explained why I think that romanticizing tech is either silly and boring or disturbingly selfish depending on how serious the person is. Please ask for details if you're interested in them.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 23:14:23 No.10381053 >>10381034 Except it does, cut through the cloud of pseudo-neutrality and that's what lies at the core. Stop being deceived by people who take friendly tones, they are all assholes in the end.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 23:18:53 No.10381065 File: 56 KB, 600x336, sharp-aquos-phone-007sh-android-clamshell1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This phone is a year or two old now, but still seems sexy. Flip and rotate design, waterproof, 3D camera gimmic, etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 23:20:52 No.10381072 >>10381065 That seems pretty cool. I've always wanted to have a conversation while swimming underwater.

Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 23:22:52 No.10381077

>>10380985
>Are you an expert?
Yes.

>If so, why aren't you dealing with expert topics?
Because right now it's the weekend, so I pursue hobbies.

>>10380869
>stereotypical fucking american soccer mom family

Where I live, "soccer moms" are success-obsessed career women who dutifully became housewives after giving birth, and now achieve vicariously by ruthlessly pushing their children.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 23:23:37 No.10381080 File: 33 KB, 395x515, water heater.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ...water heater! Yaay

Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 23:23:37 No.10381081

>>10381027
>He's saying shit should be retarded on purpose because the average retard is pretty retarded
People want what they want. Where do you draw the line of "being retarded"? You can still learn to write code by making C64 demos and I'm sure that it would earn you admiration in some circles. It's just that almost no one does it nowadays because it's a relatively inefficient way to learn. Back then it wasn't.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 23:25:52 No.10381085 >>10381072 It's so you don't lose your phone to the rain, maybe.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 23:26:07 No.10381087 >>10381077 >Yes. Well, qq moar biz ass nigga :----D

Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 23:27:52 No.10381089

>>10380737

This is something really difficult to explain.

First, you have to understand the position of Japan. Japan is a proxy for the United States after defense agreements made in World War 2. In return for allowing military basing arrangements and allowing the US to project force into Asia, the Japanese elites (Families that own the large business, the empire, and families with members at the top level of leadership in government agencies) were allowed to maintain sovereignty of their country.

In order to maintain that independence and so that the elite did not have to answer to a real democratic government or surrender any power, a number of deliberate policy choices were made.

Policy 1: English shall not be taught effectively. This prevents common Japanese citizens from accessing the foreign press, allows for information control, and assures maximization of Japanese profits (i.e. Western Shows/Books must be translated and then run through a publisher/distributor).
Policy 2: Press must self-censor. All press in Japan are required to join Press Clubs if they want information. Anyone who publishes something against a ruling elite is removed from the club and cannot get access to information.
Policy 3: Internet usage must be curbed to prevent foreign sources of entertainment from generating revenue. It is against the business interests of Japan for internet usage to spread or to allow players like Facebook and Netflix into their market.

The internet usage is further hampered by Policy 1. Since the people do not know English, they can't really use much of the developed internet. The main goal here is to allow Japanese businesses, media, and government to maintain complete control and profit maximization.

Since Japanese Telecom Carriers currently gain profit from users downloading via their service, they aren't willing to surrender it easily.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 23:28:07 No.10381091 >>10381085 I've never heard of this happening before. I remember having a cellphone in 2005 that regularly got wet in the rain and it worked perfectly until I smashed it.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 23:30:22 No.10381097 >>10381089 Dead wrong. One treaty happened happened, then the other. One thing happened, then the other, it's in your highschool history textbook, look it up. Christ.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 23:32:22 No.10381100 >>10381089 You can attribute the same flawed English teaching formula to any country that doesn't have a romance language as its official one.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jan 19, 2013 23:32:52 No.10381102 >>10381027 >bloated piles of shit that don't "serve" anyone but actually stand in the way of serving people what they want. I'd like to remind that this digresses from technology and approaches the world of business and politics.

Anonymous Sun, Jan 20, 2013 00:52:07 No.10381322

>>10381089
>English shall not be taught effectively

Coincidentally, the same deliberate policy was made everywhere in East Asia. They're horrible on purpose. The United States has a reciprocal deliberate policy, which is why Japanese classes are so horrible.

(Or, instead of a conspiracy, it could be that the languages are sufficiently different that ordinary "rearrange the word order and use different conjugation" language teaching that's fine for moving between related languages fails utterly here.)

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 20, 2013 00:58:52 No.10381344 Why does no one complain about 4chan being stuck in the 90's. The stock themes are old as fuck. No one complains because it works and that's what matters.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 20, 2013 01:02:07 No.10381349 >>10381344 Nobody complains because it's free. If you look at forums, most of them look exactly the same, too.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 20, 2013 01:02:37 No.10381352 >>10380775 >I wish we still had arcades in America. I still got one in the mall. I feel privileged. For added fun they have a bar connected too it. Get drunk and try to play Tekken.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 20, 2013 01:04:52 No.10381359 >>10381352 No, actual arcades, not just people who own arcade machines and leave them in their store to attract customers.

Anonymous Sun, Jan 20, 2013 01:11:37 No.10381375

>>10381344
Interesting point. You can't say the samething about youtube. If you use noscript, half of the website won't even appear. I don't know if 90's is the correct date, but I know what you mean. Minimalism isn't metallic silver gradients and 50px shadows.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 20, 2013 01:14:07 No.10381380 I'd have trouble paying more than a quarter per credit for an arcade machine.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 20, 2013 01:30:52 No.10381409 Don't confuse "a bunch of existing technologies pointlessly merged together" as actual technological advancement.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 20, 2013 01:37:37 No.10381432 The development of smartphones advanced capacitive touchscreen technology. I'm not sure if there's actually anything else there. Most smartphone patents are on horrifically dumb shit like "tap to turn page."

Anonymous Sun, Jan 20, 2013 01:40:52 No.10381445

>>10381359
I'm in AZ and we have a few arcades. Two are attached to theme-parks and one is attached to a mall, but they're definitely arcades in their own right. The one attached to the mall is the Gameworks in Tempe, and the ones attached to theme-parks are in Castles-n-Coasters and Golfland. I've only been to the Gameworks and Golfland arcades, and I can say that it seems they put quite a bit of money into both. They both import cabinets and have card systems. Gameworks is way bigger (two stories) with more games, but Golfland has some interesting ones as well.

>>	Sakura !RAILgUnr8s Sun, Jan 20, 2013 01:46:52 No.10381460 >>10380737 >Whereas America has smart phones and tablets everywhere Wow phones and computers where instead of pressing keys you clumsily tap the screen. And I get to pay a premium to do so. What a fucking technological revolution.

Anonymous Sun, Jan 20, 2013 02:04:22 No.10381530

Everything went to shit in 2006. It had been getting bad for years before, but that was the last year anything at all was good.

A perfect example is internet browsers. All internet browsers had the same UI for over a decade, then apple comes along and ruined everything. Now everything is built for a phone. They've gotten rid of the refresh button, for example. Browser UI's were the way they were because they worked.

The aesthetics of everything has gone completely to crap. My mechanical IBM keyboard and CRT monitor are both over twenty years old now, they still work, and they look professional and dignified. Everything now, from computers, to clothes, to anime, to advertisements, everything is so over-decorated and kitsch that I can't help but be embarrassed just being around it.

The internet is now composed entirely of facebook, and old, static pages that host content for facebook. At least myspace allowed you to customize things, facebook is literally nothing but empty banality.

The other main cause is smartphones. You can't do anything on them without buying an 'app,' and even then the tiny screen and keyboard prevents you from doing anything of any consequence. The death of internet culture is directly caused by the limitations of smartphones, which started to capture a large part of the market in 2006.

Every day, I remind myself that all this has to change. The wheel of history revolves, guaranteed. Someday, people will get bored with an empty, bubblegum sticker reality and go back to making real content.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Jan 20, 2013 02:08:07 No.10381548 iphones and ipads are not electronics, they are toys

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 06:06:39 No.10386595 bump

Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 06:19:40 No.10386610

>>10380775
>>10380775
>>10380784
>>10380815
>>10380831
>>10380839
>>10381359
>>10381445

Can anyone tell me why the fuck arcades seem to be stuck in the 60s?

Every machine has the same ancient pinball machine derived buttons and knobs. They don't even bother to shape them differently.

For all their fancy modern technology can't they have better controls? Even in this world where we have mice that move around with light and touch screen panels, you still use fucking trackballs in some games and interact non-directly via buttons on the cabinet.

And coin inserts? Japan has the right idea using things like cards to pay and save data on. Meanwhile in America there are places you still use fucking tokens.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 06:22:24 No.10386615 >>10386610 What's wrong with buttons, sticks, and other physical input devices? Not every piece of the flashest tech (touch screens for example) is appropriate just because it exists.

Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 06:39:54 No.10386640

>>10386615
For one, they break, for two, they're filthy. If my mouse can work by light, why can't I sweep my hands in the air over the cabinet?

My primary problem is that the buttons and sticks look exactly like pinball machine button and sticks. They can't come up with a better form in all this time? It feels like the only real innovation they made in the entirety of arcades were light guns.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 06:55:24 No.10386659 >>10380737 >Japan is still stuck on flip phones But i like flip phones. I wish there were more out here that are not cheap low end models.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 07:29:09 No.10386732 >>10386610 The ones in AZ seem pretty modern. I'm actually going past the one in Tempe in a few hours, I'll try to get a few pictures inside if possible.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 07:31:25 No.10386738 >>10380737 Flip phones are really cute. You can put stickers on them. iPhones are not cute.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 07:53:12 No.10386806 >>10386640 Enjoy your input latency and other fun times. So what if something has been around for years and still held on to it's design form? Shit works and there's no need to change what already works perfectly fine for it's current application.

Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 08:30:42 No.10386916
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Think about it: Yesteryear they spent their time and effort on perfecting their swords and spears, while the west built guns and battleships.

All that has changed is that now they can more effectively copy our advances.
Centuries have shortened to decades.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 08:36:57 No.10386929 >>10386610 >>10386640 I've never see so many wrong things said in a row.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:35:28 No.10387334 >>10386610 Flippers weren't invented until the 1970s, plebian.

KING OF /jp/ !af3X0BERgU Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:40:44 No.10387353 [DELETED]

>>10380760
cause its considered very nerdy and otaku like to game on your PC

most of them use consoles for gaming and a PC for internet only.

my wifes brothers he is actually 1 of the few Japanese PC gamers and they just play L4D2 CoD and Monster Hunter

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:41:58 No.10387358 >>10380737 Because Japan became a technological joke after the 90s. No one really pays much attention to them anymore as far as consumer electronics are concerned.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:44:44 No.10387363 >>10387358 I just realized that anyone that still thinks that Japan is some sort of technological powerhouse, is old and stuck in the past.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:46:13 No.10387367 >>10386732 Are you talking about Gameworks? I like that they have Raiden IV there, but I couldn't really find anything else I wanted to play besides maybe Mr. Driller.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:47:43 No.10387374 >>10387358 Yeah man, Sony, Casio, Hitachi, Seiko, Sharp, Toshiba, Yamaha, Fujitsu, JVC, Mitsubishi...who the HELL are they?

Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:51:14 No.10387382

>>10387374
The swiss brand watches are killing casio and seiko.
Mitsubishi who? Continental cars > jap cars
Coreans are raping sony, toshiba, sharp, hitachi and etc. Soon they are going to end up producing parts for apple.
Japan only has their game consoles left.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:51:43 No.10387383 Huh, I thought flip phones were used only by children and anime characters and Apple had already taken over. Actually I'm glad to know that's not true.

Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:51:58 No.10387385
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In the 80s and 90s, Currys (British electronics store) called their line of products ``Matsui'' to trick buyers into thinking they were Japanese.

Then some people got annoyed because Matsui is the Japanese version of Hitler and everyone was trolled into the stratosphere:
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/04/03/world/made-in-japan-or-not-that-is-the-question.html

Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:51:58 No.10387386
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>>10387374
To be honest, none of those seem too relevant anymore and I could get better products from other brands and countries.
Definitely not as big as they all used to be.

Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:55:58 No.10387403

>>10387386
>Definitely not as big as they all used to be.
https://www.google.com/finance?q=Sony
https://www.google.com/finance?q=Casio
https://www.google.com/finance?q=Hitachi
https://www.google.com/finance?q=Seiko
https://www.google.com/finance?q=Sharp
https://www.google.com/finance?q=Toshiba
https://www.google.com/finance?q=Yamaha
https://www.google.com/finance?q=Fujitsu
https://www.google.com/finance?q=JVC
https://www.google.com/finance?q=Mitsubishi

All bigger than ever and doing fine.

>>	sage Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:58:43 No.10387414 >>10387385 The 80's were 33 years ago. The 90's 23 years ago. Times change.

Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:00:28 No.10387426
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I'd rather like something from the Amiga/C64 age than the late 90s, but I can relate to you people. Early home computing used to be incredibly futuristic somehow. The Amiga demoscene sums up what "the future" means for me, there was just this virtual reality spirit to it, and people did mind-blowing things with minimal computing power.

Now it's like, everything looks like a web page, but still uses friggin' gigabytes of memory.

Nerds are awesome and normal people ruin everything.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:00:59 No.10387428 >>10387414 >The 90's 23 years ago. Holy shit there are people on /jp/ who were born in the 90s and they aren't underage. Hell it's probably most of /jp/. MY BRAIN IS FULL OF FUCK.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:02:28 No.10387435 >>10387426 >not using citadel >1987

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:03:43 No.10387439 File: 118 KB, 532x392, diskamg2[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10387426 Don't see GUIs like this anymore.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:03:43 No.10387442 File: 44 KB, 630x473, hidekibride.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10387385 Notorious war crimes against baseballs

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:04:59 No.10387447 >>10387428 I was born in 1994 and turned 18 a few months ago. I've visited /jp/ nearly every day since I was 14.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:05:14 No.10387448 >>10387428 Guilty.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:05:59 No.10387454 >>10387447 I've been visiting /jp/ since the late 70s.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:06:58 No.10387459 >>10387447 Are you cute? :3

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:10:28 No.10387473 >>10387459 Well, my body hasn't changed at all since I was 13, and I'm not overweight. My face is gross though, especially my jew nose... ;_;

>>	/YAYPEE/ IS MY BLOG Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:11:59 No.10387485 >>10387473 Sucks to be you, I'm overweight and I'm one sexy motherfucker.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:13:28 No.10387488 File: 551 KB, 1024x768, 1319699838844.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10387447 I too found 4chan when I was 14 years old and have come here nearly everyday since. That was 7 years ago

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:14:44 No.10387492 File: 546 KB, 500x409, 9iQ56ua0s64qf00ptuFRbU3p_500[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10387439 This is the future. >Megaman, Megaman! This isn't very user-frien-- NO YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:15:58 No.10387501 File: 10 KB, 320x168, AmigaFont2[1].gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10387439 Nor fonts like these. I mean, damn. Helvetica can go fuck itself.

Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:17:28 No.10387509

>>10387485
Lucky! I would love to gain a bit of weight and grow a bit, it's nice being in a child's body and all but I could see it potentially being a problem if I need to get a job at some point down the road. Plus, people with meat on their bones seem really cuddly and soft and warm.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:19:28 No.10387520 >>10387473 >Well, my body hasn't changed at all since I was 13 >My face is gross Robert-kun?

Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:21:43 No.10387535
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>>10387501
Yeah man, fuck readability! Gimmicky typefaces are where it's at! Chicago ftw!

Helvetica is a work of art and it pre-dates personal computers by decades. Stop hating it just because it's fashionable to hate things Apple uses.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:23:28 No.10387540 >>10387520 Nope. Nice to know I'm not alone though.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:50:28 No.10387646 >>10387334 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinball#1947:_Flippers_introduced >1947

>>	Wintermoot !!kWM0hb9oFSL Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:59:43 No.10387686 >>10380760 it's just how the gaming subculture works in Japan. It went a different direction from the west. Also FPS's sell like shit over there whilst classic RPG's like Final Fantasy sell like hotcakes over there.

Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 13:00:29 No.10387692

>>10380737
I sure hope you are troll, but unfortunately your stupid misconceptions are very common.

Tablets are useless shit from the 90s, phone form factor has nothing to do with technological level. Entire Japan was emailing with phones back when Nokia was just coming up with multi-part SMS messages.

TV is in similar situation all around the world.

There are some cultural differences, though.

You sound like a fucking disgusting apple fanboy.

>>	Wintermoot !!kWM0hb9oFSL Mon, Jan 21, 2013 13:01:44 No.10387699 >>10387692 there are also places in Japan where you can pay with NFC technology. As far as I know NFC systems aren't even introduced in the US.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 13:22:53 No.10387768 >>10387692 I remember when one game magazine was previewing Persona 2 and they making fun of it and calling it unrealistic because kids had cell phones.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 14:14:34 No.10388049 File: 945 KB, 320x146, 1343102204985.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10387374 >Seiko, JVC, Toshiba Fuck you just sent me on a trip to nostalgia park, it's all LG and the Koreans now Althrough Sharp is still relevant

Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 14:17:00 No.10388063
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>>10387426
I'm going to sound retarded for a second here but one of the big pluses when I played Digital was that 90s BBS atmosphere,the interaction was quite minimal and left place to a shitty love story but jotting down numbers and reading posts in white font over blue screen was really attiring, in a "I wish I had experienced this" way

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 14:21:29 No.10388079 >>10387403 Maybe in Japan. I've never seem a Casio, Seiko, Sharp, Fujitsu, JVC, Mitsubishi (eletronics) or Yamaha (eletronics).

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 14:28:44 No.10388115 For the flip phones the answer is simple: Japanese people like the flip phones. They think they're cute. They think they have character.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 14:30:45 No.10388124 >>10388115 They are moving to smartphones though. Also, flipphones are old fashioned and outdated.

Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 14:32:14 No.10388139

>>10388124

Indeed they are moving to smartphones, slowly. However, something that makes the transition even slower is the fact that you many times pay as much as double the amount monthly for the unlimited packages of iPhone, etc., compared to your average flip phone bills.

Smartphone monthly prices are way higher in Japan than in Europe, for example.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 14:36:49 No.10388158 >>10388139 >buying Iphones How fucking disgusting.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 14:39:05 No.10388170 >>10388158 iPhone is one of the most quality-price balanced choices in Japan. HTC, for example, will cost you at least a 1000 yen extra per month compared to iPhone.

Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 14:39:49 No.10388173
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>>10387367
Yes, talking about Gameworks mostly. Golfland also imports a few cabinets but mostly has more 'classics'.

As promised, the pictures. One bump because it's mostly off-topic. They moved these cabinets downstairs from their corner upstairs. Only game I recognized from the white cabinets was Tekken 6 which isn't very new, but never had a NA release for arcade.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 14:40:36 No.10388179 >>10388139 >living in Europe How fucking disgusting.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 14:41:19 No.10388182 >>10388179 That's why I moved to Japan.

Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 14:41:49 No.10388183

>>10387426
We got a computer too late for me to ever get into stuff like this, but I did see the tail-end of it as it was on its way out and shiny websights full of animated gifs were on the way in. My mind was blown by a 3D museum (Note: 3D means 2D) application that came with our first computer's CD-ROM.

Otaku culture related because the birth of these visual websights also brought in the times where you could find eroge and CGset rips on various porn sites, in stark contrast to the rest of the content. Although I still didn't recognize them as Japanese until I found Ranma 1/2 downloads and other such things on whatever that node downloading program was, and websites such as anipike.

Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 14:42:19 No.10388187
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Bottom line of cars are the car models in Outrun 2 SP, they move depending on the position of the car in-game. If you can see two white cages they're the Initial D games, both in little capsule things that also move depending on the position of the car in-game. Basically the same thing except the Initial D setup is more immersive it seems.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 14:42:49 No.10388190 >>10388170 What about Galaxies and Razr M?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 14:43:04 No.10388195 File: 2.39 MB, 2000x1333, IMG_3871-20130121.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Section of racing games, another Outrun setup, Pod Racing, Daytona 2, Midnight Club 3 on the right wall.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 14:44:19 No.10388197 >>10388182 That's even worse.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 14:46:49 No.10388210 File: 2.10 MB, 2000x1333, IMG_3876-20130121.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Section of rhythm games. DDR, Beatmania, Guitar Hero, ect. On the right is Pop'n Music Adventure 15. There used to be a Taiko Drum setup but I think it's gone.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 14:49:49 No.10388225 File: 2.57 MB, 1333x2000, IMG_3874-20130121.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] pop'n by itself

Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 14:51:34 No.10388231
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Karaoke box under the stairs. No idea why they put a window on this thing. It's apparent when someone is using it and making eye contact through such a small window makes it weird.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 14:53:04 No.10388241 File: 2.53 MB, 1333x2000, IMG_3877-20130121.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Raiden IV. There was also a few air hockey tables and one that didn't seem to use pucks(?) but I'll spare you. Spam is over, sorry.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 14:59:30 No.10388258 I don't get what you lot have against smartphones. You all are a bunch of try-hard busters.

Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 15:01:50 No.10388272

>>10388241

Not spam, this is relevant to my interests.

I've only been to the Seattle Gameworks but it's funny, the AZ location looks EXACTLY the same. I love all the import games they carry, but have yet to see a Project Diva machine, even though Sega still owns the Gameworks franchise as far as I know.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 15:04:04 No.10388286 I'd rather play a random arcade game than a random PC game, that's for sure.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 15:06:04 No.10388291 File: 119 KB, 1439x803, 1351811317160.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10388258 touch screens are the devil, give me back my buttons

Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 15:11:04 No.10388317

>>10388210

Taiko has been gone for more than a year. The games have sticky/unresponsive buttons that management won't do much about. Plus they are all old cabs.

Golfland has somewhat newer IIDX, DanceManiax and a Technika 3. In slightly better condition.

Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 15:12:19 No.10388319

>>10388272
The manager at this one said they used to be owned by Sega but I don't know if he meant all of Gameworks or just that one location. The card stations still had Sonic all over them and they carried a lot of Sega stuff in the rewards shop.

In the past there was a Mushiking: King of the Beetles cabinet and I could have sworn there was a single lonely Lilpri setup there.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 15:32:19 No.10388385 >>10387501 Fucking hell that font makes me want to punch my screen.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 15:39:20 No.10388398 >>10388286 but what if you play arcade games on a pc? for free, on a better screen, without a bunch of faggots creating so much noise you can't hear the game anymore?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 15:39:20 No.10388399 >>10388286 You are a faggot. I always hated arcades, they all seemed like a waste of money.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 15:42:49 No.10388410 >>10388317 That Golfland has BlazBlue, Arcana Hearts, and Guilty Gear but dunno which versions of each. The Phoenix area must be an oddity with the amount of arcades that aren't desolate.

Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 15:57:11 No.10388450

>>10388410

BB:CS (old version), Arcana Heart 2 (engrish patched) and Guilty Gear Isuka, also SSFVI.

Other game of interest are 2 cab Initial D 5 and 4 Wangan Midnight Maximum tune 3DX.

There is supposed to be another similar place that carry's some other rhythm games like KeyboardMania but haven't been there.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 16:42:44 No.10388582 I just wish they would move from console to pc. You can do so much more.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 16:52:16 No.10388606 >>10388582 Most japanese devs don't know shit about PC coding, look at the PC port of Dark Souls. Those are also the people who name their variables with moonrunes

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 16:59:16 No.10388618 >>10388606 PC port of Dark Souls is hardly a good example, From Software said they weren't doing any optimization with it. Also every single new arcade game in Japan runs on a PC now.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 17:02:57 No.10388634 >>10388618 Saidaioujou please?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 17:33:25 No.10388732 >>10388634 *Exluding CAVE and Namco games

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 18:02:35 No.10388873 >>10380838 Have you even seen the specs of an average Sharp flip phone?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 18:08:34 No.10388893 >>10380908 It has already been that way ever since Softbank carried out iPhone 3gs.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 18:12:35 No.10388913 >>10381089 I BET THE KIND AND CONSIDERATE G-D'S CHOSEN PEOPLE DID THIS

Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 18:16:13 No.10388934

I'd rather have a reliable flip phone than a dumb Fagbook terminal with no keyboard that happens to make calls.

TV is fucking shit.

Gaming? Well, they've got the PS3, but yeah, looks like it's more popular here in the west. Not that I game too much, though. So I don't really care about that.

Their PCs are god awful and they're stuck with XP. What's with that?

Other than that, meh.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Jan 21, 2013 18:18:12 No.10388942 >>10388934 XP is perfect.

>>	Wintermoot !!kWM0hb9oFSL Mon, Jan 21, 2013 18:22:43 No.10388956 >>10388934 some people in Japan game but it's nicher then in the west.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jan 22, 2013 05:50:58 No.10391375 because

Anonymous Tue, Jan 22, 2013 23:12:04 No.10395011

I think what we all need to realize is this:

There is every chance that the internet will somewhat return to what it used to be once the average person gets bored with Facebook and Youtube but it won't be what it once was.

However, we're lazy. We're the generation that needs to be doing the great things, we can't wait for someone to magic up a new internet or new technology.

There's nothing to stop you (collective you) developing independent technologies and only circulating them around fellow 'geeks' in an underground manner and building upon that. It'd be a little cyberpunkish but it'd be yours.

Hate something...change something. The world will go to shit if you don't do anything, unfortunately you will have to grow up and do things yourself, but it doesn't mean you have to assimilate either.

People built the internet when there was no internet to speak of, I'm sure we can do it with the internet and a lot more knowledgeable people around. Not just /jp/, but our entire generation.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jan 22, 2013 23:19:04 No.10395037 Fucking crossboarder threads.

Anonymous Tue, Jan 22, 2013 23:24:04 No.10395048

>>10395011
The internet was developed with military funding by paid scientists and engineers. I hope you aren't proposing a different network outside of the Internet.

/jp/ is good enough. I wish some of the other English boards were a bit more active.

I think the nerd as he appeared in the past is all but gone. I knew people in real life who discussed Star Wars, went to arcades regularly, collected stuff etc. Now those people aren't around, zero arcades are still running here outside of cinema things that don't count. I don't play Magic and don't have the money for warhammer. All of my hobbies must go through the Internet, and the Internet alone. While that's great, and maybe even ideal, if the physical nerds have dissappeared, they probably aren't all on the net either. The interests have shrunk, at least from my perspective backed up with anecdotal evidence.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jan 22, 2013 23:28:20 No.10395057 >>10395048 > I don't play Magic and don't have the money for warhammer. Can't you just play Pathfinder? The rules are free.

Anonymous Tue, Jan 22, 2013 23:35:34 No.10395070

>>10395057
With who? Also, I don't think I'd be able too anymore.

I wish audio related electronics was stuck in late 70's to mid 80's. Amplifiers looked like they were carved out of a solid block of aluminum, not four paper thin pieces of sheet metal with plastic knobs sticking out of them.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jan 22, 2013 23:43:04 No.10395100 How much do the arcades cost in Japan? In North America? Do you have to pay to get in?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jan 22, 2013 23:46:49 No.10395107 OP I miss flip phones. And not smudging the shit out of my phone. Plus arcades are fucking awesome.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jan 22, 2013 23:48:49 No.10395116 >>10395048 Really the only places left to physically congregate are hobby or comic shops, and if you don't like those things, you're fucked.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jan 22, 2013 23:49:04 No.10395121 >>10395107 If you miss them, then buy one. They only cost, like five bucks.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jan 22, 2013 23:51:04 No.10395127 >>10395070 At a tabletop gaming store.

Anonymous Tue, Jan 22, 2013 23:52:20 No.10395129

>>10395116
There was a comic shop in my town where lots of people used to go to play MtG, DnD, and stuff. Eventually the owner removed most of the tables for whatever reason and everything dried up. Serves him fucking right, he had to close down a few years later. All those people hanging around were the ones keeping his business afloat, not the randoms that would come in and get annoyed at all the people hanging around. Anyway, now there's nothing anywhere around here.

Anonymous Wed, Jan 23, 2013 00:05:05 No.10395167

>>10395129

I want to do this. I want to own and run a hobby shop. I used to call one home for a while until the owner had to close up. Everyone just kinda went back home to their computers, and most who played in the 40-50 people magic tourneys split up into their own little groups.

What I find both interesting and scary is that with how "pop-culture" the internet has become, I think a lot of the people who are really "nerds/otaku" or whatever are going to start moving offline. That's only my opinion anyways.

I think being an owner operator of a hobby shop that doesn't discriminate between western and japanese fandoms would be a really good thing.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Jan 23, 2013 00:10:34 No.10395182 >>10395167 >I think a lot of the people who are really "nerds/otaku" or whatever are going to start moving offline. But to where?

Anonymous Wed, Jan 23, 2013 00:16:49 No.10395199

>>10395182

Well, that's just it. Anywhere they can be themselves. Some leave and integrate into society (which is unfortunate), and some just find other methods that are away from the norm. When I was at the old hobby shop, it was amazing how many people were considered regulars and spent 3-5 hours a day there at least. I know a few recently that I've met through 4chan and IRC networks who just left because they were done with how things have changed.

I'm not saying it's some big movement, but I believe that it's something that's going to happen more and more, at least to a certain balance. Lots of people are just upset with how things are.

It's not a definite, but it's something I think will happen.

Anonymous Wed, Jan 23, 2013 00:18:05 No.10395205

>>10395100
In the US I think most places you can just walk. Around here the cards are free and simply hold whatever amount you put on them, but if you're paying with debit you need to put a minimum of five dollars on them. Classic/older games are 25¢ cents per credit, regular/newer games 50¢ per, and gimmicky games (anything that doesn't use standard button and joystick setup) 75¢ or 1.00$ per. Very few if any games are over 1.00$.

Anonymous Wed, Jan 23, 2013 01:13:19 No.10395403

>>10395100
The arcades in akihabara district are pretty expensive if you want to get good prizes, in comparison to the north american arcades still around today. for example if you play a claw game for a wall scroll or a figure youre going to have to pay around 500yen per try. As per a small domo-kun toy, itll only cost you 100yen. Games like street fighter IV and dead or alive will cost 500yen per game but it lasts quite a while.

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