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What was the first eroge?

>> No.10374959 [DELETED] 

the adventures of your mother

>> No.10374961

>>10374954
They certainly did not have lolis in them. That is this new shit.

>> No.10374962

I don't know if it was the first, but Custer's Revenge was pretty fucked up.

>> No.10374970 [DELETED] 

>>10374959
get a load of this guy

>> No.10374977 [DELETED] 

Three Sisters Story

>> No.10375001

>>10374961
The first hentai and probably eroge were with lolis.

>> No.10375007

>>10375001
That is bullllshit!

>> No.10375010

>>10374962
Besides being Western I wouldn't really consider it an eroge. Those games all had covers that said they were for adults and stuff but they seemed more humorous than erotic. I've been playing Sierra's Leisure Suit Larry games lately and I get the same vibe. They're like Carry On films--suggestive and risque, but not really something you're going to masturbate to.

>> No.10375024

>>10375007
The gentlemanly love for lolis has been around for quite some time. Lolishit isn't new, its just there is such a plethora of it now because of the lack of 3d stuff in today's Japan.

>> No.10375027

>>10375001
I really doubt it. Not that it isn't a common paraphilia, but it's too specific. It was probably just bishoujos with large-ish breasts. Those are what you normally see in 70s/80s cartoons.

>> No.10375034

>>10375024
You mean child pornography?

>> No.10375049

>>10375027
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=7695
>>10375034
Yes I do. There was just a big of a lolicon boom in the 80s as there is today, with several magazines that would feature both 2d and 3d, but over time the fans wanted just 2d.

>> No.10375055

What was the first voiced eroge? Or even first voiced game for that matter.

>> No.10375056

>>10375049
That is bulllshit!

>> No.10375058

If you don't want to taint your eyes with ANN heres the wiki link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita_Anime

>> No.10375068

>>10375034
Be nice:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_child_pornography

>> No.10375081

>>10375049
>>10375058
Well that's just dandy.

Also, earliest two VNs that VNDB has a date for:
http://vndb.org/v9545
http://vndb.org/v9546

>> No.10375090

>>10375081
Who wouldn't want to play a loli VN on a floppy disc?

>> No.10375095

>>10375081
So... download links where?

>> No.10375096

Can any experts in Japanese culture tell me what it is with Japan and sexualizing children? I don't have a problem with it and I'm aware it happens in many cultures, but why does Japan specifically have a lolicon/junior idol/etc. scene? Are they repressed or encouraged in some way?

>> No.10375098

>>10375090
Someone who's not a pedophile.

>> No.10375101

>>10375096
It's less illegal.

>> No.10375105

>>10375101
Still though, is there some social or customary basis for it? Or does it just turn out that a lot of human beings are pedophiles and Japan was less harsh on it?

>> No.10375106

Adult manga on the SNES.

I'm oldskool see.

>> No.10375110

>>10375106
Did they have those?

There was some crude SNES ROM linked a few months ago but I think it was made later as part of a demo contest or something.

>> No.10375115

>>10375096
Japan's version of child and what child entails is different than the west, and keep in mind people didn't start throwing a fit about this stuff until recently.
In the Tale of Genji, Genji fucks every person from ages 13 to like 70, and its probable kids were doin' it in old times and since Japan is the way it is, its ideals remain unchanged. I'm pretty sure there was no discrimation about who you fucked, hence the amount of weird porn that still gets churned out from Japan today.

>> No.10375122

>>10375115
so what. i fucked 13 year old when i was 14. it's nature. but 10 year olds and below is not good.

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>> No.10375125

>>10375115
I see. Child sex has been iffy in Western Europe for a few centuries (child marriages were rare and usually political, according to a previous thread). Maybe we're the weird ones.

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>> No.10375135

>>10375130
Me on the right.

>> No.10375145

>>10375122
Genji falls for Murasaki when she's 10, maybe they fug, maybe not, I can't remember.

>> No.10375146

>>10375123
Dat 8 color CG.

But holy hell those proportions. Did the PC8801 not use square pixels or something?

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>>10375146
Some old computers used "fat pixels". Basically you'd have, say, a 160x240 array of pixels, but you'd stretch it to 320x240 to achieve the correct aspect ratio. This way you're basically halving the amount of memory you need for the framebuffer.

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>> No.10375167

>>10375145
ok that's fucked up. call the police!

>> No.10375169

>>10375162
Whoops! Can't show that on a Christian imageboard!

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>>10375156
Looks like they did the opposite here. This is what it looks like rescaled to 4:3. Much more reasonable.

>> No.10375202

>>10375183
Much better. She looks slimmer and has less of a bust.

I hate that despite immediately identifying something as the wrong aspect ratio, my brain still falls for these optical illusions.

>> No.10375225

My first eroge was a fan-made evangelion game I downloaded from the internet in 1999.

>> No.10375229

>>10375162
What a fatty.

>> No.10375245

>>10374961
>That is this new shit.

Just like how moe is a new thing and didn't exist in the 80s.

>>>/a/

>> No.10375249

>>10375245
I'm guessing this is sarcastic but I can't tell what angle you're coming from. Cute anime has always existed and cartoons like Minky Momo would probably be considered moe, but moe as a concept is fairly recent. It's still a dumb word, especially if you apply it to something in retrospect.

>> No.10375257

>>10375245
Yeah! That's right. Listen to this motherfucker.
>>10375249

>> No.10375336
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>>10375146
Yeah, most early Japanese computers offered screen modes with thin pixels (trading off color resolution for horizontal resolution), in order to provide enough resolution to make kanji legible. By contrast, you don't need much resolution to make the various western alphabets legible, so more effort was put into color resolution and fancy graphics hardware that supported sprites and scroll offsets.

On CRTs, no matter what the horizontal resolution is, the image gets stretched to fill the width of the screen. For example, the resolution used in this screen is actually 640x200, but in order to make it look correct on a modern display, the image had to be pixel-doubled vertically.

Since artists had a lot of resolution but little color to work with, classic Japanese PC games were extensively dithered.

http://pixelmenu.22web.org/index.html

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>>10375336
Meant to link to this as well, an excellent primer on Japanese computers.
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/JPNcomputers/Japanesecomputers.htm

>> No.10375359

>>10375249
Urusei yatsura is full moe.
There, now you can see it's not a ``new thing''.

>> No.10375370

>>10375359
Is not you faggot. Fucking tiger stripes and everything. Bikini. You just wish.
>>>/a/

>> No.10375371

>>10375350
I read this article a few days ago. I love this site.

>> No.10375384

>>10375370
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_(slang)
Also, that /a/ could you just yamete kudasai it?
What's the point of redirecting me there?
What does being supposedly wrong have to do with some mediocre board?

>> No.10375402

>>10375384
Well. I thought it would fit you. I was just thinking for your best. You see. I DO care for you.

>> No.10375410

>>10375402
Thank you~
But my absolute QUALITY posting doesn't fit there.

>> No.10375416

>>10375410
I know darling

>> No.10375446

>>10375096
>>10375105
>it just turn[s] out that a lot of human beings are pedophiles and Japan was less harsh on it
Basically, this. Demonizing sexuality is a recent social construct.

>> No.10375451

Why do /jp/ers know so much about such obscure topics?
It's intimidating to post along such wise people-

>> No.10375467

>>10375451
Otaku have a tendency to be obsessed with something obscure and niche.

>> No.10375487

>>10375336

Thanks for the good explanation, I learned alot

>> No.10375594

>>10375122
>i fucked 13 year old when i was 14. it's nature
You did? And in plural?

>> No.10376460

On the subject of these 80s Japanese computer games, here is an awesome tumblr full of animated pics ripped from them: http://fmtownsmarty.tumblr.com/

I love the look of 80s computer graphics: the only thing missing when viewing these images is the actual 15khz CRT display, with real scanlines. I recently got an Ikegami 20 inch RGB 15khz pro CRT monitor ($5k list price in 2010), and plan to feed the output of my lowres emulators into it via a hardware scan converter for the authentic 80s experience.

>> No.10376465

I can't remember the exact title, but I think it was Maid's Story. You had to make schedules for 3 maids and fuck them at night.

I remember I enjoyed it a lot.

Or it was True Love.

>> No.10376531

>>10376460

The sound, too. I love old school 80s/90s video game music and sound effects.

>> No.10376540

>>10376460
I can only hope you found it in a garbage and didn't pay list price.

>> No.10376541

>>10376531
The sound of the old FM and PCM sound chips is wonderful. These chips had really unique timbres that modern ultra high quality soundtracks simply lack.

>> No.10376549 [DELETED] 

>>10376541
I can't believe people can actually think this.

>> No.10376595
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Nocturnal Illusions of course.

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Wikipedia says this is the first one.

>> No.10376603

>>10376549
I like the "electronic" lo fi sound of these synth chips, as opposed to simply recording a symphony orchestra or such. The limitations of such sound hardware led to some very creative work.

I similarly enjoy the sound of pioneering electronic music groups like YMO: the early analog synths (YMO used the Prophet 5 extensively, along with modular moogs et al.) sounded wonderful. Sometimes the latest tech is not always the best.

>> No.10376618

>>10376540
I paid next to nothing for a unit built to pretty much mil spec quality. The monitor bezel is basically a billet of solid steel - Ikegami built this thing according to "best practices" all the way - it's nearly 100 pound mass would flatten a toy LCD.

CRT is the display technology of the gods, anyway. Tens of kilovolts in the power supply (and enough capacitance in the tube to fuck you up)? Check. No "native resolution"? Check. Just a marvel of physics: high vacuum, electron guns and the fucking glowing phosphor.

Listen to the crackling energy on the screen....

>> No.10376623

>>10376618
You might be careful, that energy you are talkinga bout is radioactive.

>> No.10376650

>>10376623
The glass in the faceplate of a CRT is actually made with lead to shield the X ray radiation being accelerated toward you from the electron gun. Still, it is all worth it: retro games look perfect, and Nikola Tesla himself would approve of the danger!

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>>10375336

Did Keisuke Itageki do the art for that game? That captain looks a hell of a lot like his characters.

>> No.10376943

>>10376901
>Baka the grappler
>It's fucking Oliva
Baki would've made a much better Cirno.

>> No.10376949

>>10375384
> stop please it

shiggy the magic diggydoo

>> No.10379495

>>10376597
Shit, my father had that for our Atari 800.
Also another one called "Sultan's Quest"
And of course Strip Poker.

>> No.10379534

>>10376618
Color CRTs have something like a native resolution, namely the size of the colored phosphor spots (and likewise the holes in the shadowmask), but B&W CRTs are less limited.

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Didn't really have anything for PCs, I thought "Welcome to the Pia Carrot" would be my first, but since it was for Sega Saturn, there was no actual nudity. If that's the case, it would be Legend of Nonomura Hospital as my first eroge. This actually had nudity.

>> No.10379658

>>10375350
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/dragonslayer/dragonslayer.htm
Jesus fuck that sounds horrible. Make it an MMORPG, now.

>> No.10384953

>>10379534
>B&W CRTs are less limited.
Vector graphics FTMFW! Nothing like polygons being drawn calligraphically to a screen.

Back on topic, NEC was really the king of computers for anime style erotic games. The PC-8801 and PC-9801 are like the ultimate retro otaku machines.

>> No.10386445

>>10375001
Are pedophiles more technologically literate than the average man?

>> No.10386450

>>10386445
In general, they have to be. Faggy laws and shit make people have to hide their fap material from the main internet's eyes.
I mean, think of the children, dude. The pedos sure are.

>> No.10386506

I wonder why people hardly translate old Japanese adventure games with all that pretty pixel art. Why do Snatcher/Policenauts get the special treatment? I've seen hundreds of screenshots of things that look as good, or better.

>> No.10386551

I absolutely love dithering. Why do people hate it?

>> No.10387576

>>10386551
muh 32-bit color depth

>> No.10388693

>>10386506
Because more people have heard of Kojima.
I agree, though. The Japanese computers are the last frontier of retro gaming, I like to see more effort put into rediscovering and translating their games than is put into boring SNES RPGs.

>> No.10388728

>>10388693
Also they hacked the PlayStation version of Policenauts and not the PC98 version for the same reason, but I'm still pissed about that.

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