日本語「ーGeneralー」―Deal with it

[学生 !!62eOv47IxM2 No.]

こんばんは、/jp/. Learn 日本語 - how else will you fully appreciate glorious japanese entertainment without having at least a first grader understanding of things?

You can do it. I have faith in you.

Next Post contains links.

[Anonymous No.]

u cant make me learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

there's already a thread on page 1

[Anonymous No.]

ur just a student how can u teach me

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>>>/a/77782789

[学生 !!62eOv47IxM2 No.]

Let your journey into japanese start here.
>Japanese IME: http://www.google.com/intl/ja/ime/

>Hiragana & Katakana: http://www.realkana.com/

>Kanji: http://kanjidamage.com/

>Anki: http://ankisrs.net/

Make sure you click GET SHARED on Anki after it's installed to get Anki.


>GRAMMAR: http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar

[Anonymous No.]

Helpful links:
Popular youtube series:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZEA54VJEdE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zfBMDNkJuI

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>>10324874
Fugg of to /a/ pls.

[Anonymous No.]

You might want to try to incorporate some of the text from the previous attempt, OP:
S9632994@warosu

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>>10324886

epic post

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>>10324853

Take your time and make a pastebin ' "please".

I think I'll make one later today.

[Anonymous No.]

So, janitors now clean threads that the majority of posters clearly do not want to be here? Sure reached a new low.

[Anonymous No.]

These threads were moved to /a/ a long time ago. Get with the times OP.

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>>10324874
Went on the second url. Clicked practice.
First symbol I was told was "i", okay yay I'm learning *writes in notebook*
Second symbol I'm told is also "i", it's also completely different.

wut

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>>10324934
い&イ?

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>>10324853
>http://kanjidamage.com/
"Kanji (漢字) are single words, made of radicals. There's over 5,000 of them, but most of them are only used in people's names. You only need to know around 2,000 to read a newspaper."

WHAT? Okay I'm never learning Japanese :( this is actually a very sad realization...

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>>10324853
OP, you're probably just wasting your time expecting this to take off with sarcastic replies like (>>10324934) & (>>10324949). I doubt anyone will take this thread seriously, despite your good intentions.

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Jesus Christ people
https://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/60370448/#60375384
>>>/a/77782789
Now please stop cleaning this thread up.

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>>10324956
fuck what the mods have said
the great janitor-sama decides what is and isn't allowed around here you little fucknugget
get bent

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>>10324955
I was not being sarcastic, I really want to learn the language and I will check out those links, but the idea that I need to remember 2000 symbols when I can barely remember the arabic alphabet of 28 letters is a very scary thought.

Pretty sure the guy above was not being sarcastic too

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>>10324968

4/10, would have believed without the emoticon.

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>>10324968
The usage of plain-text emotes is an easy sign of sarcasm and/ or being new. So if you don't want people to think you're shitposting, just don't use them.

I thought the other guy was being sarcastic because, as you can see in the OP image, there are two sets to the kana.

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>>10324968
>arabic alphabet

you mean the roman alphabet? the numerals are arabisch

[Anonymous No.]

Janitor, if you want to have a daily Japanese thread just say it.

[Anonymous No.]

If I pretend to be a newfriend to try and ruin these threads, no one will be able to tell. At least I don't look retarded doing so.

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>>10324986

/jp/'s japanese threads would be weekly, not daily. Gotta take it easy.

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>>10324986
It would be great if moot put an impartial janitor on /jp/ once in a while. Recently, this place has gone down to nazi hell way too quickly.

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>>10324991
There already are weekly Japanese learning threads (have you done your reps).

I'm emailing moot about this shit.

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>>10324995
This looks interesting, thanks

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I can understand deleting the random shitposts, but I'm not sure what was wrong with pointing out that there's a perfectly serviceable japanese learning thread just a page away

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>>10317842

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Why the fuck use Google IME instead of the microsoft one?
Th japs don't use the Google IME, so don't use it.

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>>10325017
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHRLN1wzCiw&feature=player_embedded


>これを使うともうMicrosoft標準には戻れない。
>30 likes

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>>10325012
Please don't generalize critique on how this board is run by the janitor staff as ``shitposts''. Thank you.

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>>10325021
Oh god that 今 thing was smart.

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>>10325021
I was sceptic about google IME before watching that video.

Now I'm wondering why I haven't used it these past 2 years.

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>>10325021

15時16分

ｗｗｗｗｗこれすげえ

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>>10324995
Which Anki Japanese deck do you recommend from that list? For a total beginner https://ankiweb.net/shared/decks/japanese

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>>10325041
Vocab:
Core2k, Core6k or JapanesecorePLUS

Kanji:
RTK decks or Kanjidamage deck

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>>10324995
Anyone have this on a pastebin or text file so I can copy URL's?

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>>10325055
I could type it up for you if you're really that lazy.

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>>10325047
Thank you. Going to I really hope it can get me started on a good vocab basis!

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>>10325058
Going to get started right away* not sure how that got eaten up

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>>10325057
>I could type it up for you

warning! *beta alert* warning!

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>>10325047
For some reason I thout Anki was to teach you but it looks like it's more to help you refresh what you know/have already learned.

I just started Core2k but it just throws symbols at me and asks what they are.

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>>10325055
It's from /a/'s DJT.
>>>/a/77782789

Guide:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QkKNc3AYP5sOv23FRjBoCs2dDzHN83BuT1T_aRU21t0/edit

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>>10325083
Thanks, you just saved me wasting time typing that all out, especially when I realised it even has a link to the pastebin with all the links in it.

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>>10325081
You can use anki to learn new stuff (especially with the new learning mode in Anki 2), but what it's actually supposed to do is figuring out the *minimum* amount of reviews necessary to remember about 90% of the things you review with it.

That's why people abusing the cram mode and such to review stuff more than once a day are stupid...while you might increase your retention rate slightly, you're also wasting time reviewing stuff you already know well enough

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>>10325047
Maybe I'm being stupid but how are you supposed to know how to pronounce the symbol? I just started JapanesecorePLUS

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>>10325083
Thanks.
>>10325057
That's too much...
I bet you spoil people you are close to.

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>>10317842
>>>/a/77782789

Forbidden by a mod and a duplicate, why is this still here?

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>>10325108
Because you haven't hidden it yet.

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>>10325095
Read the guide.

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>>10325113
Closing your eyes before the problem isn't going to make it go away.

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>>10325108
How is it a duplicate? This is a Japanese language general. It covers everything, including beginners who don't know kana.

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>>10325114
I did...

[Anonymous No.]

Oh, the name of the touhous are all set up in the Google IME.

[Anonymous No.]

くそスレｄｅｌ``お願い''

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>>10325201

うるさいビッチ

[Anonymous No.]

thx op i always wanted to learn japanes :-)

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>>10325212
You should learn how to make good posts instead of learning japanese first.

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>>10325215
what do u mean??

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>>10325216

Not enough emoticons and question marks. Next time do something like this:

wat do u mean???????? D:

[Anonymous No.]

What is going on here？

[Anonymous No.]

ｷﾀ━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━!!

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>>10325280
thanks for the bump, I was afraid the thread would 404 already

[Anonymous No.]

Kanji damage is off.

[Anonymous No.]

If you're having trouble with katakana/hiragana and don't feel like brute forcing through realkana try this:

thepiratebay.se/torrent/4336104/

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>>10325410

People seriously have problems with the Kana? Oh boy they're going to love kanji.

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>>10325410
If you're having problems with kana you might want to switch to an easier language to learn or give up entirely.

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>>10325416
Actually memorizing kana is harder than kanji.

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>>10325425

It's true. I learned all the 常用 kanji before memorizing any kana. Took me far longer to memorize a single kana than any single kanji.

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>>10325416
This guy >>10325425

Kana was hell and kanji is just radicals with a story.

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>>10325437
>>10325425
>>10325439

But how? It took me literally 2 hours to memorize all the kana while I get constantly stuck at kanji and mix the meanings and readings of the ones that share a couple radicals.

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>>10325449
Because you aren't learning kanji properly.
Follow KD method.

[Anonymous No.]

I think the report queue is broken. It seems to reset all the time!

[Anonymous No.]

I'm trying to learn using KD but, like, why is child = one + total. That's kind of strange. A total of one is a child? So if I want to say "I have a total of one apple" I'll say "blabla child bla" ?

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>>10325460
Don't worry with easy kanji, you'll learn it naturally.

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>>10325449
There's no way you can have trouble with the kanji if learning all the kana only took 2 hours. You're exaggerating.

[Anonymous No.]

I agree, kana sucks balls until you know all of them, and can start reading and using them everyday as part of your studying. Then they get really easy.

[Anonymous No.]

How can matching a few thousand kanji result in millions of words?

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>>10325460

You're taking it too seriously. It's just supposed to be a story you think of in your head in order to help you either recognize, or write it. "That poor child ーSHE has lived a total of one year!" If you write 了 + 一 it = 子, that's the story. I don't know why you're associating it with anything outside of the kanji themself.

Also knowing the reading isn't really important because you will come to know them from doing vocab. This is why RTK tells you to think of your own stories that you feel comfortable with.

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>>10325475

hint: it's because neither english nor japanese combined come close to having a million words. not to mention most words are made using kanji + okurigana

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>>10325491
No I'm not talking about the story. I mean the word child itself is composed of the word one and the word total.

And again, the Japanese word for like is composed of woman and child. How what huh?

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>>10325505

It's not comprised of either one or total, this has been invented for the purposes of making possible the story mentioned. 子 is a separate radical. The etymology is a pictogram of a baby.

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>>10325522
Oh. I thought it was made of the kanji for one and the kanji for total. Thank goodness I asked it here or I would have look like an (even more) idiot if I kept on thinking that!

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>>10325522

Also you should not go along with this line of thinking for any of the kanji, as they are Chinese characters. 好 does not mean the same in Chinese, the etymology makes sense in Chinese.

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>>10325505
Well, I'm studying Mandarin so maybe this doesn't apply, but a woman having children is associated with prosperity.

woman + child = hao3, everything is "okay"

And child + 1 = zi1, 1 child policy

[Anonymous No.]

http://kanjidamage.com/kanji/8-rape-%E5%A7%A6

This site is starting to make me feel uncomfortable

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>>10325535
Actually, that's zi3 I think. got confused

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>>10325542

If you prefer you can just use RTK/kanji.koohii.com. It's basically the same thing but without the dumb keywords like this http://kanjidamage.com/kanji/185-to-hella-do-%E5%9F%B7

It also lacks reading integrated into the story but you can either make your own up, or just ignore that part, since you will inevitably be memorizing the readings when you grind vocab anyway.

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>>10325542

If you go with rtk, book in the link.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/?f47f1djhug5mrrf

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>>10324886
I can't stress enough how good Namasensei is at teaching you the basics. This fucker got me on the path to learning and made it hilarious. He will motivate the fuck out of you.

I followed this guide and while I'm still learning, I'm farther along then I ever thought I would be:
http://i.imgur.com/eel7q.jpg

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>>10325565
>http://www.mediafire.com/view/?f47f1djhug5mrrf
>>10325557

Thank you! I might just be able to learn Japanese yay. (Had written two smileys but I've learned it is frowned upon here)
....oh what the heck, just one: THANK YOU :D

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>>10325566

Except he doesn't even teach properly. His stroke direction is incorrect for あ and he doesn't even get the ORDER right for え. some teacher, making it even harder for you to memorize because you're writing it unnaturally! That's the most I've ever been willing to watch of this retard before having to shut him off. Sure, if some geek (who looks like he needs some vitamin D desperately) shouting in your face telling you "just fucking do it", is what makes you motivated, then maybe he can help, or maybe you're just actually a retarded 14 year old.

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>>10325369
It isn't off, it's just slow as fuck here.
How can I take it easy like this?

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>>10325565
Do you recommend RTK? I was thinking about buying it but was low on money, so thanks for the link.

[Anonymous No.]

/jp/'s thoughts on http://www.textfugu.com?

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>>10325603

Garbage waste of money. Unless you need reasons to be motivated. Literally all it is, information you can find elsewhere accompanied in every sentence with a motivational speech.

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>>10325582
I bet he can out drink ZUN

[Anonymous No.]

I saw this mentioned the other day in some other vaguely japanese related thread, and thought it was interesting.

If I were to go to Japan, should I be pronouncing things in katakana-ized english? It's so whacked out that I'd be afraid to offend people, but on the other hand they might not understand me at all if I asked for bottled water instead of botoru wota.
How's it go down?

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>>10325653

He's American, so I doubt it. If he was a Britlad perhaps.

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>>10325654
Of course you use their language.

Imagine the opposite. You ask your weaboo as fuck friend what he wants to do.
He says "ka-ra-o-ke" (カラオケ).
You reply, "Carry Ohkey?"
He says, "No, カラオケ、that's how it's pronounced!"
You say, "But I'm speaking English, you filthy weaboo!" and punch him in the face.

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>>10325654

I'm sorry but it's an extremely ridiculous question, it's like asking "if I go to France should I include le in front of everything and pronounce stuff with a shitty French accent so they understand me better?" bastardizing their language won't make a difference except make you look like a fool.

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>>10325671

I'm assuming he's talking about speaking all of his English in 'Japanized" pronunciation though. Speaking actual Katakana words how they are pronounced is a different matter, and it shouldn't even be questioned that you pronounce it in Japanese, it becomes a Japanese word.

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>>10325692
If that's what he meant I really don't understand his question or why anyone would do that.

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>>10325692
>>10325699
I think he meant for English words that are pronounced Japanese like in Japan, like the example he gave.

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>>10325699

It doesn't even make sense to ask if you should pronounce English loanwords with their Japanese pronunciation though. It's essentially a Japanese word. The reverse of your scenario is also true. カラオケ is a Japanese word loaned into English, so an English person wouldn't be expected to know what カラオケ is, if it was pronounced the Japanese way.

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>>10325708

ボトルウォーター is not an English word. It's an English loanword in Japanese, thus you pronounce it in Japanese. It's essentially a Japanese word, in the same way that kindergarten is essentially an English word, and you don't pronounce it in German even if you know how to. The question is fairly ridiculous either way.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey guys, should I pronounce "アルバイト" like in how I pronounce "Arbeit macht frei" when I'm cosplaying as Hitler?

[Anonymous No.]

You guys are being harsh, it sounded like a legitimate question to me. Now he has the answer and yay, we can move on.

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>>10325756

Sorry I meant crossplaying.

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>>10325760
>it sounded like a legitimate question to me

That's because you're a retarted faggot nerd.

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>>10325760
Autist weeaboos are even more protective of the Japanese language than Japanese people themselves. If I were Japanese I would probably come here just to have a laugh.

[Anonymous No.]

I didn't realize it was a stupid question, but thanks anyway!

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>>10325785
this is jaypee nigga represent

[Anonymous No.]

Hey cuties, do some of the jukugo on KD really matter if you're just starting, or can you come back to them later? For example, I'm doing 好 and the 奇 part in 好奇心 looks too complicated to write down and I wouldn't be really able to process it at this stage.

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>>10325883
Just do meaning and get kanji over with as fast as you can. Taking your time on kanji is just a waste of time. This comes from someone that wasted 6 months on it because of trying to grind in readings and kunyomi, when I could just get it over with within 2 months and getting well over 8000 words in that 4 month period.

Also give up handwriting unless you have a particular reason to practice it, like moving to Japan or something.

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>>10325603
/jp/ archive: 10290633

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>>10326373
i thought she was wearing sunglasses in the thumbnail

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>>10325913
>Also give up handwriting unless you have a particular reason to practice it, like moving to Japan or something.

Stupid advice. If you don't know how to write kanji you will run into lots of difficulty reading handwriting and especially calligraphy. And you will run into these things even if you don't live in Japan.

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>>10326505
Hah. Funny how I have been able to read anything related to handwriting without any problems whatsoever. The one that told you that is probably retarded.

Enjoy spending a year or more on stupid shit like drawing kanji.

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>>10326527
Oh please. I learned how to write all of the jouyou kanji in 2.5 months. I highly doubt that you can read calligraphy without learning to write. You're full of shit.

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>>10326546
Sure, whatever you might think. It's not like I'm reading calligraphy all day and night either way. The amount of effort needed isn't equal to what you get in return.

And I highly doubt that you'd be able to retain all of the jouyou kanji in your head within 2.5 months of writing them.

Meanings, sure. But all the strokes, and being able to recall them from memory and projecting them on paper, impossible.

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>>10326573
>And I highly doubt that you'd be able to retain all of the jouyou kanji in your head within 2.5 months of writing them.
>Meanings, sure. But all the strokes, and being able to recall them from memory and projecting them on paper, impossible.

I review them by writing them. All of the cards are mature and I have about 97% recall.

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>>10326505
lel look at this sperg thinking he's hot shit. type this shit out for me you faglord, i haven't done handwriting so i'm not supposed to be able read this right? bulllllshit

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>>10326684
Did you miss where I specifically said handwriting and calligraphy?

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>>10326721
And I of course do not mean ALL handwriting and calligraphy. Sometimes it can be rather clear, other times it is very difficult.

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>>10326721
yeah, and in what way does that disable you from reading this? it's because your vocab is shit. do words not kanji.

can't be fun writing every single compound out either if you do it by hand when doing vocab grinds. it's just a waste of time, deal with it.
you aren't superior in any way to us that don't practice handwriting other than the skill to write it out on paper by hand.

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just use nama sensei

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>>10326752
What the fuck are you even talking about, idiot? If I said that if you don't learn handwriting you will have difficulty reading some handwriting and calligraphy, and you posted something that was NEITHER handwriting or calligraphy to "disprove" me. Are you fucking retarded? When did I say write out compounds by hand? Fuck off.

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>>10326769
so in other words you're complete trash that doesn't know shit about japanese other than the jouyou kanji and the core2k deck? okay.

stop blaming your flaws on other matters like "it's not handwriting or calligraphy" it's fucking japanese you idiot. you should be able to read it if you knew it. but obviously you don't know jack shit, and instead of learning you're in this shitty thread giving people shitty advice.

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>>10326802
Read your original post: "i haven't done handwriting so i'm not supposed to be able read this right?"

What the fuck does that have to do with what I said about reading handwriting and calligraphy? Fucking nothing. It's not handwriting or calligraphy, it's typed text. That is not what I was talking about. How can you be this dense?

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>>10326822
Also I'm not going to respond to you anymore since you are apparently incapable of understanding basic English. So you can feel free to get the last word.

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>>10326844

lick my balls

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>>10326844
yup, go back to your kanjidamage grinds you fucking newbie cunt.

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>>10326853
>feel free to get the last word.

sorry but I couldn't resist

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>>10325021
What does that mean?

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>>10326935
GOOGLEBOTNET IME 4 LYFE FUG MICROSHIT I AINT NEVA GOIN BAK

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>>10326944
Thanks, nigga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10326684
夕暮時の 雨音のころに 草原の
鵺鳥木陰に淀むれば
其の雛妬みてささめき候

　　　渡来諳来「ヤドリモノ」

It's a classical literature and use ancient china font.
(篆書体/tensyo-tai)

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>>10328133
It's called Tsukihime font.

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[Anonymous No.]

Here is a grammar book that was recommended awhile ago that is very thorough. It is An Introduction to Modern Japanese Vol.1. I'm using it along side tae-kim because I'm dumb and need extra grammar help.

http://www.mediafire.com/?v893d9cd6k3agq9

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>>10328449
Isn't Tae Kim more than enough? That's what almost everyone that I know that knows japanese tell me.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you guys feel about Rosetta Stone?

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>>10328684
It's shit.

[Anonymous No.]

I was learning a couple months ago. I learned the hiragana and katakana with a couple hundred kanji and some basic grammar. Then I just stopped, I couldn't get myself to practice anymore. What should I do now /jp/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10328700
Why is it shit?

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>>10328702
Kill yourself.
Alternatively, you can motivate yourself and start again from where you left.

[Anonymous No.]

Should I bother to learn all the readings of each kanji I learn?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10329059
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10329059

生 good luck

[Anonymous No.]

>>10329076
なぜか．．

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>>10329082

for some reason what m8?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10329059
Nope
Because you won't ever see but two or three unless you're dealing with some asshole's name and that asshole better have furigana over it or I'm gonna call you Poison Island all goddamn day, Busujima

[Anonymous No.]

This is how I deal with different readings.

1. look at readings
2. find a common word using each reading
4. Stick those words on reverse/answer side of the kanji card and practice them
3. If the words for said reading are uncommon, don't bother until come across it one day and stick it into my separate vocab deck aside from the main kanji deck.

[Anonymous No.]

Boogie board is actually pretty useful, saves on paper/ink. and means you dont have thousands of pages of kanji lying around.

The only downside of it, is that if you wanted practice writing long sentences you probably don't have the room unless you shrank your handwriting font down considerably.

[Anonymous No.]

I swear if I see this shitty thread remade ever again I'm taking this to /q/. I already have the post written out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10330038
huh?

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>>10330038
Do it anyway. We don't need a janitor playing favorites with his threads and babysitting it along while no one else wants it here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10330051
Look at the thread in the archive. Especially the first 50 replies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10330057
The number of replies of people trying to learn Japanese says otherwise. I'm new here and I'm very glad this thread exists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10330059
You're welcome to use the exact same thread on /a/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10330059
>>>/a/77850466

Here. Exact same thread made daily for over a year and blessed by the mods.

[Anonymous No.]

Why does it even bother you guys I don't understand. Just hide it and voila. Everybody's happy.
You guys are so negative around here (I'm new).

[Anonymous No.]

>>10330073
No, you aren't. Stop bumping this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

Back to babysitting this thread again I see.

>>>/q/362846

There we go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10329124
That made me lose some motivation.．

[Anonymous No.]

>Not using superior Google IME Morse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5AYb778pwA

[Anonymous No.]

>>10330824
Who u qot? (Watch this post disappear in ten seconds)

[Anonymous No.]

>>10324886
Why is Namasensei recommended? Isn't it easier to just read Tae Kim?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10332616
People learn better when they're being entertained.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10332616
For kana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10332635

see:

10325582

[Anonymous No.]

>>10332635
>>10332638

see:

>>10325582

[Anonymous No.]

I'm studying Mandarin and I'm looking in VNDB for easy VNs with ch translation patches, any recommendations? Sorry I don't have a better place to ask. Is there a board like /jp/ for sinoboos?

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>>10332646
That's what everyone says anyway, I learned them the good ol' way.

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>>10332646
Rebuttal: Who gives a fuck
Not even the nips care about stroke order, so long as you get it written it won't matter

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>>10332674

you can't trust someone to teach who doesn't even actually know what he's talking about. either way it is relevant because writing without the proper stroke order is awkward and slow.

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>>10332674

sounds like you've never had to look up a kanji you don't know the proper way.

stroke order does matter. When Rikai-chan fails you and simply coping the thing from AGTH to a firefox text window fails, and you have to use the windows IME kanji finder, you will need to know the proper writing order.

even though the hypothetical situation where you would do that doesn't exist, it still helps to know how to write properly.

[Anonymous No.]

カタカナアーシット

[Anonymous No.]

>>10332616
I learned kana and te-form with him.
Basically namasensei will give you the motivation that the textbooks lack.

[Anonymous No.]

I have more than 60 kanji to learn the right stroke order. D-doushio, /jp/?

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[Anonymous No.]

>>10332827
there's a general rule: left to right, up to down, outside to inside. Or something like that.

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[Anonymous No.]

so I've finshed the kana's

how should I split up learning Grammer, Kanji and Vocab?
should 20 minutes a day on each be okay?

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>>10332975
I recommend focusing on grammar now. Then, do 2000~2500 kanji with either Kanji Damage or RTK, your choice (I prefer RTK, but I'm too far on KD to go back). Then, go with the vocab decks. Also, maintaining a constant contact with the japanese language will help you a lot.

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>>10333020
I'd say do kanji first, then go into grammar. That way he won't have to worry about learning kanji during his grammar studies, and he won't end up going for a period without getting lots of grammar practice.

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>>10332827
>>10332849
That's right. In the end, you don't have to do it exactly in the same order, but it must flow in the same direction. It's recommended for comprehension purposes though, later on. Usually I can only read fuck ugly handwriting in images just because there is a semblance of stroke order.

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>>10333081
That's ret/a/rded and it shows how Japanese is the first language you ever tried to learn. This is my first post of the day, just woke up. Have a nice day.

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>>10332707
>>10332687
ちょうどそれを行う！

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グラーマアーシット

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>>10332848
I once was gonna edit this comic to be about Blade, but I figured I've never get a chance to post it.

[Anonymous No.]

How much japanese do I need to know to fully enjoy Muramasa?

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>>10333433
I'd say around or so words

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>>10333442
oh shit i forgot to type the number sorry :(

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>>10333146
Yeah it's a real pain. Going through RTK was easy but Tae Kim is giving me some difficulties.

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>>10333501
This was fun to say though, in the section on か

先⽣が学校に⾏ったか⾏かなかったか知らない。

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>>10333530
>⽣
>⾏
Why?

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>>10333541
I copied it from the pdf file. Sometimes it does that. I don't know why.

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>>10333545
>>10333541

What's wrong with them? They look fine on my font.

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>>10333548
Try pasting them into a dictionary.

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>>10333548
Maybe I lack a pack of some language.

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>>10333552

Ah, the issue might be that they are bolded?

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else using WaniKani? It's pretty neat to me.

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese!

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日本語を勉強するのは大変だ　：（

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>>10333744
Translate this weebs.

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>>10333746

studying japanese is perverted

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that chair when i'm going to be learning this for eternity no matter how good i get.

because there's always something else i don't know.

how do people become tri or quad lingual? surely they must be a jack of all trades but a master of none.

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>>10333753
Once you get good enough with a language you are able to figure out what people mean through context, even if you don't know exactly what they are saying.

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>>10333753
Have a parent with a native tongue different than the current country's mother tongue that teaches it to them, learn another language at school. Quad is possible if each of your parents has a different mother tongue too. That's the somewhat effortless way.

And then you can learn something easier like Esperanto.

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>>10333766

you can do that even if with a language you don't know. that's not really 'knowing the language'. I could go to italy right now and know wtf people are saying to me just because there is only X amount of things people could possibly say to you in any given daily scenario. knowing what people are saying with no context whatsoever is the difficult part.

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>>10333782
That's not exactly what I mean. I mean more like if you run across a grammatical structure or word that you don't really know, but you're able to get it anyway. Like I'm sure you hear words in English that you couldn't sit down and define, or that you don't really know the meaning of, but when you hear someone say it you can understand it.

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>>10333794
>Like I'm sure you hear words in English that you couldn't sit down and define, or that you don't really know the meaning of, but when you hear someone say it you can understand it.

not really, english is my first language mate...

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>>10333805
Yes, really. I guarantee that you cannot define every word that you can understand.

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>>10333824

this isn't really related to what you're talking about anyway, you're talking about inferring the meaning of words you don't know. how does that relate to not being able to express the nuance behind specific words which you already know/understand?

i don't think the former is a particularly good indicator of someones skill in a language anyway, because i'm able to do this with japanese in certain situations & my japanese is pretty shit.

[Anonymous No.]

Why you convert your name to katakana, is there any standards that is followed, or is just what sounds the closest?

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>>10333902
There aren't really set rules, but look it up on denshi jisho and see if there is already a way that it's normally spelled, because there probably is.

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>>10333902

Just look up your name on Japanese Wikipedia for how western celebrities names are written there. There are some nuances to it so that's the easiest way to tell how it's usually written.