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Old thread: >>10292003

Talk about Touhou and other STGs. Chat with fellow players, blog about your progress, plead for help on problematic spots, and so on.

>> No.10319982
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10319982

Hey /jp/, just got into Touhou and i wondered which of the games may be suitable for a starter, no experience with these kind of games at all Thanks for future replies.

(Didn't notice there was a new thread before posting in the old one)

>> No.10319990

>>10319982
6-8 are the best I think to start off with. (EoSD, PCB and IN) but 10 and 11 are good alternatives. If you want you can take them chronologically, aka starting from 1 and playing them all the way to 13. Or you could just start from whatever strikes your fancy. Just make sure to have fun.

>> No.10319998

>>10319990
Just downloaded 6, should i hit normal no matter how bad i am just to get accustomed to it?

>> No.10320001

>>10319998
Yes, practice makes perfect. Also spoilers, China's theme is the best.

>> No.10320004

>>10320001
Alrighty, thanks for the response

>> No.10320006

>>10320004
No problem, enjoy!

>> No.10320050

>>10320001
Patchy's theme is the real best.

>> No.10320074

>>10319982
Stop.

Delete the games and just forget about it, before it's too late.

>> No.10320080

>>10320001
>>10320050
Weird way to write Sakuya.

>> No.10320322

>>10319982
Start with Touhou 6 or 7, move your way up while playing some other STGs in between.

>>10320080
Is it bad that I only like Sakuya because she's S tier in all of the fighters? High hopes that she's in Hopeless Masquerade and retains her glorious S tier spot.

>> No.10320346

TH13 isn't working properly for me any more. I start it an it appears in the task bar, and I can hear the music and shit too, but it just won't come up for me. I can run it in full screen mode, but I want it windowed, like it always used to be.

I don't think I made any major changes that would have caused this, it was working fine just a little while ago. Any ideas?

>> No.10320366
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>>10320346
restart your computer.

>> No.10320374

>>10320366
Thanks, Tom.

Doesn't work.

>> No.10320384

>>10320374
Disable aero. Install the patch that disable aero.

>> No.10320391

How come me and the vsynch patch don't mix? I've gotten it to work with like 3 games and that's it/

>> No.10320402

>>10320384
Still nothing, and TH12 doesn't work either, same problem.

>> No.10320404

>>10320374
maybe you have some missing dll files?

>> No.10320491

Would someone kindly stream please?

>> No.10320921

I have a challenge for you, /jp/!

How much time can you gain from IN Easy stage 1? Every shot is allowed, but you'll probably want to use Youmu for maximal gain.

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>>10320921
Hum. Any other stage would've been more interesting. Oh well. Let's say this is all of the effort I'll put into this, I'll be playing IN easy even without your silly challenges.

>> No.10321962

>>10320001
You misspelled Flandre.

>> No.10321978

>>10319990
>11
No, don't play 11. It's the hardest game on normal (12 is the hardest on Hard and Lunatic though). 11 has very nice music but is a huge pain to beat.

>>10319982
I suggest you start with 7 or 8. 6 is fairly easy, but you can't see the hitbox so it's quite annoying when you get skim deaths because of that.

>> No.10322686

That chair when you play UFO, are at max lives against stage 4 mid-boss or whatever you call it, so the extra life it drops is useless and then you lost your first life three seconds later.
And you don't even 1cc the game.

>> No.10323098 [DELETED] 

streaming things:
livestream.com/touhougameplay

>> No.10323168

>>10321978
> SA
> good for beginners.

Terrible advice.

>> No.10323190

>>10323168
Apparently I quoted the wrong person.
Meant for >>10319990

>> No.10323196

>>10321978
12 isn't the hardest on hard and lunatic. That is subjective.

>> No.10323222

I was playing IN for the first time and nearly shat myself in stage 4 when Marisa showed up.

10/10 best boss fight ever.

>> No.10323253
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i started with touhou 08 as it was said to be good for beginners. i beat normal recently and when i tried touhou 13 i was fucked because only touhou 8 has the "1 second safety net if you get hit (aka player last spell where you use 2 bombs instead of 1).

so the problem is that in 8 i always waited until i got hit to bomb, but in the other 2hu's it doesn't allow that. any advice?

inb4 kill yourself.

>> No.10323258

>>10323253
Stop playing IN and practice bombing earlier.

>> No.10323260

>>10323253
Stop waiting to get hit before you bomb.

But on a more serious note, play other games more until you readjust.

>> No.10323261 [DELETED] 

>>10323253
stop relying on bombs
13 hardly gives you any

>> No.10323264

>>10323260
Why would I bomb otherwise

>> No.10323269

>>10323260
>>10323258
any suggestions on what to play?
preferably something where the extra system doesn't make you go out of your way and into dangers path (like collecting trance orbs in 13)

>> No.10323275

>>10323253
Stay away from IN until you get good with bombs. Play MoF or SA, as the games makes a big use of them without being able to be used as a safety net.

>> No.10323279

>>10323261
Even a half-assed trance route gives you 4 additional bombs by stage 3. Stage 5 gives you enough to just bomb through the boss of that stage. Let's not forget bombing will give you more trance, which is practically a bomb and more in terms of survival.
>>10323269
EoSD.

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Why can't you defeat me, /jp/? 2tanuki4u?

>> No.10323293

>>10323281
It wasn't funny the first time.

>> No.10323474

I'm just going to pretend UFO doesn't exists and ignore playing it from now on. I don't have the patience to deal with that shitty collect the UFO mini game any longer.

>> No.10323516

I downloaded TH06 to begin w/ the Touhou, as suggested in this thread, but is there any specific character I should avoid. One that's too easy or something?

>> No.10323531

>>10323516

Also I meant to ask, is it a bad idea to play with an arcade stick? Is it a handicap?

>> No.10323590

>>10323531
No. If you have a good one you should use it. If you bought one for fighting games then don't use that.

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>>10323590

Are fighting game arcade sticks bad, I don't see why it would make a difference? I have an old HRAP2.

>> No.10323617

>>10323596
No, they're just designed very differently to sticks for shooters.

>> No.10323627

>>10323617
To be more specific, the throw distance on sticks for fighters is generally too big to feel comfortable for shmups.

>> No.10323684

>>10323627

Well, I've never heard of a brand of arcade-stick being sold specifically for shooters, so I'd assume you'd need to mod it with a different stick, which is probably a waste of time for me.

>> No.10323696

>>10323253
Just don't fucking play IN! You will get lazy with your bombs. I had the same problem but luckily I started out with EoSD so I was easily able to do that. If you really, really want to play IN, just don't play with Reimu, because she has the longest death-bomb time.

If I recall correctly, most of the other games give you 6 frames (100 ms) to use a bomb after you are hit to invalidate the death, but IN gives you much, much longer (I think something like 500 ms with Reimu, but I'm not sure).

>> No.10323709
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10323709

>>10323684
I own ones of these (need to get one for my PS3, I prefer fighting games on that) but I've never used it with PC STGs.

A standard 360 controller feels pretty decent though, and I'm pretty sure most of, if not all the new touhou games, natively support it.

>> No.10323721

>>10323709
>Using a pad
I'm paraphrasing your post and quoting my mind.

>> No.10323722

>>10323709

A 360 controller doesn't seem like it would be very precise.

>> No.10323755

>>10323722
It's not, but it feels pretty comfortable at least to me.

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>>10323684
It's not difficult, really. Although I understand why if you want to just play a little touhou it's going to a waste of time. As far as I know though, if you get into shmups, (and if you do you should be using a stick and not a keyboard or controller like most people here seem to use) you should scope out a cheap pad where modding a seimitsu ls-32-01 is as simple as just using a screwdriver for 30 seconds.

>> No.10323771

>>10323722
I dunno about the higher difficulties, but I can tackle hard pretty easily with my 360 pad.

>> No.10323775

>>10323771
It's not about the pad not being good enough, it's about you robbing yourself of the experience.

>> No.10323785

>>10319946
Anyone got any tips on getting good at Touhou? I'm not an exessive player but I do play moderately and at the moment I cando well on easy and medium but I can't break the barrier into hard. Got any tips?
inb4 "play exessively"
I don't derive enough enjoyment out of it because I suck to much to play all day erry day.

>> No.10323791

>>10323785
Keep practicing, watch replays, and communicate with experienced players. Also, make sure that the hardware you use is comfortable for you.

>> No.10323797

>>10323785
Just keep playing every once in a while if that's what you enjoy. Contrary to what some people in this thread might say, you shouldn't play touhou to get good at touhou, you should play touhou if you enjoy touhou and the getting good will come naturally.

>> No.10323801

>>10323791
>communicate with experienced players
Is that not what I am doing now?

>> No.10323806

>>10323801
I think he meant on a more specific level, like asking for tips on spellcards you have trouble with.

>> No.10323811

>>10323806
Which is stupid, because figuring out how to beat the game is an important and enjoyable part of the game.

>> No.10323816

>>10323806
I generally just find a spellcard I'm comfortable with and just keep playing with that. That's generally how I approach Touhou or any game in general. For example, 95% of my Touhou gameplay is spent playing as Reimu.

>> No.10323827

>>10323816
Learn to play as Marisa, that's my advice. Marisa is much faster and higher power, so if you get use to her you're a lot better off.

>> No.10323836

>>10323827
I'll give it a shot, cheers. The issue I have with Marisa is on higher difficulties I get forced into a corner or something and then I can't hit anything.

>> No.10323846

>>10323836
You should plan your route more carefully on sections where that has happened more than once.

>> No.10323850

>>10323811
I didn't say he should do it.

>> No.10323854

>>10323801
Yes. Sorry. You are already a step ahead.
>>10323806
This is true.
>>10323811
I find that figuring out how to beat the game is only the beginning of the fun. A real game keeps you playing long after you have beaten it.
>>10323827
As much as I like playing as Marisa, I think it very much depends.

>> No.10323855

>>10323850
I didn't say you said he should do it.

>> No.10323856

>>10323846
That can be difficult. Zun can be quite clever with design when he chooses to be.

>> No.10323888

>>10323856
And that's why the games are fun.
>>10323854
>a real game keeps you playing long after you have beaten it
I don't enjoy playing for score so I guess we're coming from different perspectives, but even having said that, your first experience of the game, going through and trying to 1cc is definitely best done on your own.

>> No.10323889

>>10323836
Which is why you have to practice. It seems to me that, if you seem to die more often because of the youkai, then choose someone with a wide attack range but low power, like Reimu (very wide attack range, because of the heat-seeking, but very low power). If you tend to be killed by bosses more often and the youkai are easy for you, go with someone with limited range but high power/speed, like Marisa. She'll be able to damage bosses much faster than with Reimu, and so will limit the amount of time you have to be exposed to the boss.

>> No.10323929

God damn it fuck Yuugi's idiotic stage. Lasers need to be abolished.

>> No.10323969

>>10323929
I find the lasers to be quite easy to avoid. What really gets me is the rain spell card and one of her last non-spell cards, where she shoots blue damnaku down at you and yellow ones come from the side.

>> No.10323976

>>10323888
I usually don't like playing for score either, although that is one thing that could make a game better. My first experiences of beating the difficulties in order were great, but I've had a world of fun since that has happened. I think it's a matter of preference. Sometimes, I like to play things I'm not familiar with for the challenge. Other times, I like to play things that I am familiar with for the same reason. I find that playing something that I'm familiar with allows me to use a greater part of my skill. I feel like everything I do is much more powerful and meaningful in a game that I'm familiar with. I feel like a tourist otherwise, but that can have its merits too.

You can say that you have "beaten" a game by cheesing through it with the easiest character, but that will only ever be a fraction of the experience that the game has to offer, unless it's a bad game.
>>10323889
Although I find that your terminology is strange, I agree with you.
>>10323929
The stage can be cheesed if you know where the orbs spawn and have a route. Having a fast and high-spread character also helps. As for the boss, I'm pretty sure that her lasers are static.
>>10323969
Both of those attacks are about proper dodging and positioning. Watching replays can help.

>> No.10323986

>>10323976
>Both of those attacks are about proper dodging and positioning. Watching replays can help.
I can already beat her (just recently I got my first 1cc for SA on Normal, and soon after I managed to 1cc with every other character on my first or second try each. But Yuugi usually takes at least one life, and that means hell for me in the hell stage, considering it reduces my power by 25% (I fucking hate SA's power scheme).

>> No.10323999

>>10323986
Are you dying with bombs in stock? Also, SA is quite generous in giving power compared to the newer games.

>> No.10324002

>>10323969
I'm fine with everything else that gets thrown at me, but fuck lasers. Especially on this stage. Way too many of them and they're too quick for me to keep up with. On hard mode which I'm on right now, they seem to shoot off much faster too.
This is why I suck at the ichirin fight too. I find the stage 4 bosses of both SA and UFO much much easier than the stage 3 bosses of those games, simply because lasers are homosex as fuck.

>>10323976
I only ever really use ReimuC for SA.

>> No.10324024

>>10324002
I was like that too but I got used to them with experience. Also, keep in mind that you can always use a bomb for that section in SA.

>> No.10324122

>>10323797
>getting good will come naturally.
Absolutely false.

>> No.10324136

>>10324024
I hope I get used to them soon. They're ruining my fun. I'm even dying to the red lasers in stage4 sometimes. How embarrassing. I can do everything else in that stage pretty well though, even the green card/amulet streaming section.


One question though. Are you 100% sure Yuugi's blue lasers are static? I know the red ones probably are, and that's why they're easy as hell for me to dodge probably, but the blue ones seem to be different each time, and 99% of the time either get a bomb out of me or I'll die stubbornly trying to "capture" it

>> No.10324192

>>10324122
But it will. It did for me.

>> No.10324197

>>10324192
post ur scores

>> No.10324207

>>10324197
I'm not great, only good. I can 1cc on almost every game on normal, and two on hard. And I beat every extra boss with the exception of 13.

>> No.10324211

I was waiting patiently for some autistic score runner to post this >>10324197
, and they didn't disappoint.

>> No.10324212

>>10324136
>Are you 100% sure Yuugi's blue lasers are static?
They are completely static relative to Yuugi's position. If you kill some of the yinyangs before they have time to spawn lasers, then those lasers will be missing. On the higher difficulties, if you don't kill anything at all, the bullet limit will cause some lasers to not spawn.

>> No.10324217

>>10324136
I don't think it's embarrassing to die to those. They are pretty silly. I think >>10324212 answered your question well.

>> No.10324218

>>10324211
Are you listening to how silly you sound right now.

>> No.10324219

>>10324207
You are not good. If you were good I'd be great, and I'm shit.

>> No.10324223

>>10324219
Beating nearly every extra boss (including Flandre and Yukari) and clearing everything on at least Normal is good, it's just not great. From what I've seen, normal-hard is the average skill level for /jp/, which is still better than non-/jp/ average.

>> No.10324225

>>10324218
I don't sound silly at all though. Thinking you need to play for score to be good at these games is silly, however.

>> No.10324227

>>10324223
Average != good

>> No.10324232

>>10324227
Well maybe I define "good" differently. I consider "good" to mean "not bad, not great". I don't consider it to be significantly above average.

>> No.10324236

>>10324227
Ask some random person who hasn't played an STG to play any of the games on normal. Did they get wrecked and complain they couldn't tell what was happening? Yes they did.
Average would be completing the games on normal alone.

>> No.10324237

>>10324207
No offense, but that's not good. You're better than me, probably, but from an objective standpoint, that's not good. Being good comes naturally for the naturally talented players only. Untalented players have to practice properly through enjoyment and through frustration to achieve satisfaction and improvement, and some may not even achieve that at all.

>> No.10324247

>>10324237
I achieved this in a few months of on-off playing though, I feel proud of being able to 1cc all normal and bosses. I'm sad now. ;_;

>> No.10324258

>>10324247
You should feel proud. It wasn't my intention to deny you of that feeling. You're just not good. You have to keep improving. Maybe one day you'll be good, a few years in the future.

>> No.10324259

>>10324247
I'm sorry, I didn't mean it. It's still an achievement and you should be proud of it. Please, don't listen to my babbling since I'm a shitty player who's opinion isn't worth shit.

>> No.10324260

>>10324258
;_;

>> No.10324263

>>10324247
Ignore them. They are literally retarded.

>> No.10324270

Beat normal : Above average.
Beat hard : Good
Beat lunatic : Great
Score run : Autistic

>> No.10324271

>>10324263
That word is literally so misoverused.

>> No.10324276

>>10324270
Oh. I've usually considered above average and good to be about the same. Because normal=average so I thought good=above average and great=way above average. Well then I guess I'd consider myself above average then.

>>10324271
But it's not. If he didn't say that I would have assumed he was being figurative.

>> No.10324277

>>10324270
>Beat lunatic : Great
Yeah no. That's just like, you're opinion 'n' whatnot.

>> No.10324290

>>10324277
When you know the difference between your and you're, I might take you seriously.

>> No.10324294

>>10324290
i fugged you are mother

>> No.10324308

>>10324290
your an idiot

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>>10324294
>>10324308

> Samefagging to try not to look like an idiot
> I was only pretending to be retarded lol xD

>> No.10324336

>>10324327
I know I shouldn't respond to a troll (being one myself), but I wasn't samefagging.

>> No.10324342

>>10324336
> Poorly disguised damage control
Okay.

>> No.10324347

>>10324342
No really, he wasn't.

>> No.10324369

>>10324342
Yeah he wasn't! He's a great anon leave him alone!

>> No.10324372

>>10324327
Who are you quoting?
>>10324342
Who are you quoting?

Why are you shitposting this much?

>> No.10324377

>>10324372
Why are you joining in and shitposting too?

>> No.10324382

>>10324377
>>10324372
Stop shitposting ``please''.

>> No.10324383

>>10324372
>>10324347
>>10324336
>>10324308
>>10324294

Samefaggot.

>> No.10324387

>>10324372
These threads have gotten so boring that shitposting to prevent the silence has become the norm lately.

>> No.10324407

>>10324387
Don't try to pretend this isn't your organized army.
Hopefully the janitor will wake up and delete that crap, including this post.

>> No.10324593

dramdrom pls drm

>> No.10324764

>>10323264
you should be able to read the pattern and tell whether or not you're going to get hit, relying on deathbombs in IN is stupid you're just halving your resources.

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>tfw broke hand 6 weeks ago and just got it out of cast
>tfw probably lost my leet touhou skillz

>> No.10324797

>>10324795
Who are you quoting?

>> No.10324799

>>10323516
the characters are all pretty well balanced in EoSD, Marisa B is the easiest to clear with, but not to the point of being considered broken.

>>10323596
HRAPs are great for STGs, I use a HRAPEX, sticks for STGs have a smaller deadzone to help make small precise movements, it's not something to worry about when starting out though just get used to using it, you'll end up swapping out the stick & buttons later on anyway.

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>tfw i lost my touhou config and broke my mouse
>tfw i cant play as professional as i once did

>> No.10324809

>>10324807
Who are you quoting?

>> No.10324842

>>10324593
http://www.star-force.com/

>>10314146
Suck my cock, dude.

twitch./adamar09

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10324899

Are touhou games playable with a PS2 controler or should I just stick to the keyboard?

>> No.10324902

>>10324809
u're mother

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>>10324899
You should get one of these.

>> No.10324910

>>10324899
They are playable with virtually any controller.
If you spend enough time with your hardware you'll be as good as anyone on keyboard.

>> No.10324915

>>10324909
Wow

>> No.10324918

>>10324910
brb lrning 2 play with ddr pad

>> No.10324933

>>10324918
As sarcastic as you are trying to sound, you could learn to play with a DDR pad if you spent enough time on it.
Don't forget to report back your successes.

>> No.10324942

>>10324910
A keyboard or a pad doesn't feel anyway near as good as a joystick though, which is way more important than how good you are.

>> No.10324947

>>10324918
I could play STGs with my IIDX controller if I wanted to. :V

>> No.10324958

Anyone found a controller that fixes the EoSD bomb delay yet?

>> No.10324963

>>10324958
DDR pad.

>> No.10324966

>>10324933
brb lrning 2 play with steering wheel

>> No.10325008

>>10324958
It's called getting better at the game. There is no bomb delay unless you're running this on a toaster. Have you considered using the vsync patch? It might just help your problem.

You're worse than a few other people with this shit. Not going to mention any names, because I don't actively enjoy making people feel bad unless I'm playing a fighter.

>> No.10325090

>>10325008
>There is no bomb delay
It has been proofd multiple times in this threads . How do you explain this?

>> No.10325118

>>10325090
>it has been proofd multiple times in this threads .
Nonsense.

>> No.10325121

>>10325090
Actually that was just me trolling (as you are right now) whilst I was trying to 1cc EoSD on hard. Also because these threads are dead and boring. That's why I also start SA vs UFO shitstorms (I don't now though since you guys finally ended up seeing the light and agreeing with me that SA is indeed more difficult than UFO) because otherwise we'd be sitting in silence, and that's no fun.

>> No.10325134

>>10325121
>I don't now though since you guys finally ended up seeing the light and agreeing with me that SA is indeed more difficult than UFO
Very subtle.

>> No.10325218

>>10324899
I cleared lunatics & got some decent scores using a broken PS2 pad, so yeah they're fine.

>> No.10325230 [DELETED] 

Controlling Youmu around is a hopeless enigma. How does someone do this?

>> No.10325233
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Controlling Youmu around is a hopeless enigma. How does someone do this?

>> No.10325247

>>10325121
You are silly. I'm reminded of that one guy who was claiming to 1-ALL DDP in one thread years ago, only to post a replay in which he played at 10FPS and insisted that it was 100% legit. I wonder where he is now.

>>10325233
Talent or lots and lots of practice.

>> No.10325254

>>10325247
That was me too.

>> No.10325255

>>10325254
Oh and it was legit. Just sayin'

>> No.10325257

>>10325121
SA is harder than UFO. But the truth of the matter is, any Touhou game is more difficult than CAVE games.

>> No.10325262

>>10325121
>I don't now though since you guys finally ended up seeing the light and agreeing with me that SA is indeed more difficult than UFO
10/10

>> No.10325266

>>10284618

>> No.10325272

>>10325257
Are you talking about any Touhou game in Lunatic? Because I'm pretty sure not, since almost everyone knows that UFO is the hardest Lunatic Touhou. I fucking doubt that anyone that can only 1cc on Normal can last a Dodonpachi playthrough without getting a game over.

>> No.10325282

>>10325272
> killing a UFO clears the screen, aka it's a secondary bomb
> you can have 7 lives by the end of stage 2
> resources are practically thrown at you
> all ufos bosses are easier than their SA counterparts besides Kogasa
> UFO's stage 5 is a joke compared to SA's popcorn streaming
> UFO's stage 6 is the easiest stage 6 in the series that gives you at least 4 bombs for free
> bombs in UFO are ridiculously strong
> Harder than SA

8/10 for for getting me to reply.

>> No.10325289

>>10325282
Very true.

>> No.10325308

>>10325272
The first loop of DDP is around the same difficulty as PCB Normal. Where as the second loop is actually somewhat challenging. I would say that the second loop of DoDonPachi is about the same as a Touhou game on Lunatic.

>> No.10325335

>>10325308
I would argue that Dodonpachi is harder because the depth of the game makes it more important to spend more time playing to figure out how to do things. I think DDP loop 1 is more like PCB hard.

>> No.10325366

>>10325308
Which is why only like ten westerners have ever completed the second loop of DDP, right? That's pretty similar to how many have beaten Touhou on lunatic, totally.

>> No.10325391

>>10325335
That seems fair enough. The game became much more difficult to me once I had learned chaining, both survival-wise and scoring-wise.

I'd also say that the shot type used has a lot to do with the difficulty of the first loop as well. C-S can make a lot of the first loop pretty trivial, which I unfortunately found out the hard way when I decided it was time to play for score. I had to change my entire playstyle to play with A-L.

>> No.10325397

>>10325366
Touhou is a lot more popular.

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>>10325366
it's because they've never tried hard enough, they'll just clear the first loop and call it a day.

>> No.10325401

>>10325399
Second loops are for jerks. Go play a new game.

>> No.10325419

>>10325391
I've mainly used A-L, so it always takes me a minute to remember that the first loop can be cleared with your feet using C-S.

>> No.10325429

>>10325366
nigga i beat da THURD loop

>> No.10325498

>>10325282
only riz believes ufo is the most difficult

>> No.10325504

>>10325498
Oh, sorry, was that for me? 10/10 I am so mad at your epic troll. Congratulations.

>> No.10325509

>>10325504
You certainly replied to him in a hurry.

>> No.10325512

>>10325504
trolled hard

>> No.10325515

>>10325509
I am eating so I get to watch the thread.

>> No.10325529

Often my character gets stuck to moving left. Really annoying because I have to restart the whole game. Happens in EoSD and PCB I think.

Any solutions?

>> No.10325530

Is the default path in GFW the easiest or is there another one that'd allow me to clear that game more easily?
Taking care of an additional button is too complicated. This game is harder than ufo and sa.

>> No.10325548

>>10325530
There's not really a default path.

Also you have to clear all six paths for extra mode glhf
Don't bother with the C button though, tapping Z is pretty intuitive. You shouldn't be firing 100% of the time anyways.

>> No.10325553

>>10325529
This is due to the rollover in your keyboard. It can be fixed by getting a better one, preferably with a PS/2 connection. As a temporary fix, you can try pressing the button on your numpad that corresponds to the left arrow key.

>> No.10325564

>>10325504
You do believe UFO is the hardest though. I don't see how he was trolling?

>> No.10325572

Just a general question. When playing Touhou, which strategy do you find better for improving;

-keep playing no matter what happens and always go as far as you can
or
-restart as soon as you die/bomb due to a stupid mistake

I've been using second option always, but now I realize it might be limiting my chances at improving.

>> No.10325576

>>10325572
If you just want to get better unlock every stage on your chosen difficulty in practice modes, download some replays from replays.gensokyo.org and just keep playing each stage over and over until you can do them without dying.

>> No.10325586

>>10325576
I know, that's obvious. The "strategy" I'm talking about only concerns the
>keep playing each stage over and over until you can do them without dying
part.

>> No.10325587

>>10325576
Downloading replays is a brilliant way to ruin the game unless you're playing for score.

>> No.10325591

>>10325572
I generally use a mixture of both. I don't think it's a big deal how you keep playing as long as you do and you are enjoying yourself.

>> No.10325592

>>10325586
Go as far as you can.

>> No.10325647

>>10325572
I already 1cc a game for the first time even though I died on the first two stages one or two times.
It's also when I die soon that I use that run to try different things. Stupid things most of the time but it also helped me occasionally.

>> No.10325652

>>10325335
I'd say DDP 1st loop is around the same as Touhou normal, I'll agree the 2nd is harder than lunatic though.

>>10325572
oh god keep playing, if you're trying to improve throwing away credits is one of the worst things you can do. It doesn't matter if you clear or not, use the rest of the run to practice later sections and try out new strategies.

>> No.10325658

>>10325553
That is nice. I specifically spent 80 euros on a Razer keyboard so that shit like this wouldn't happen in games that require perfect execution. This thing doesn't even have anti-ghosting even though they said it would have.

>> No.10325660

>>10325419
I remember when I switched over to A-L. The teleporting ships, along with all of everything after 1-3, was a nightmare to relearn.

The spread shot really makes it much easier. Everything gets destroyed right as it enters the screen, but C-S is also shit for scoring. That doesn't mean you can't see the second loop though!

>>10325572
Never restart unless it's a death at the first fairy or whatever. You're just wasting time which could be better used actually playing the game.

>>10325587
Studying superplays to get a high score to win some scoring tournaments. Fun, I guess.

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>>10325658
>Razer keyboard

lol thats where u fucked up chump

maybe you should have bought a proper mechanical KB

(p.s. make sure you're using ps/2)

>> No.10325673

>>10325548
>tapping Z
Oh boy, I didn't know you could do that. (*´_ゝ`)
Just made a run and managed to beat the fairies for the first time. still used 5 continues but it became a lot easier. Although my thumb kinda hurts since I play with a joypad and always focus.
Well, suddenly, that game became a lot more feasible.

>> No.10325693

>>10325572
I generally don't restart. Like just now I had a really shitty early game in PCB but ended up going through stage 4 without dying once.

>> No.10325705

>>10325665
I got an american layout on my filco, just so I could have that deliciously bigger shift key.

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>>10325658
>buying a razer product at all

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>> No.10325745

>>10325737
Who are you quoting? This isn't /v/, you know. Also, nice reaction picture.

>> No.10325751

>>10325665
Why would anyone buy that thing over a razer keyboard. It doesn't even have any LEDs. Looks like my old $10 keyboard

>> No.10325754

>>10325737
Please learn to use the quote functionality correctly or go back to /v/.

>> No.10325757

>>10325665
but that's not backlit
i want to be the ricer fag

>> No.10325762

>>10325757

I guess I shouldn't expect any taste in aesthetics from people who crowd their rooms with anime posters and figurines.

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>>10325745
>reaction picture

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH, get a load of this newfag.

it's called reaction image, most accordingly used in >mfw or >tfw posts

>> No.10325768

>>10325665
They still make large Enter? Do you hate yourself? And short shift?

>> No.10325772

>>10325768

What's wrong with short shift? What do you use shift for that necessitates it being larger than it is?

>> No.10325774

>>10325665
The Keyboard Company is expensive as HELL. Plus they have exclusive selling deals because all the keyboard manufacturers are monopolist capitalist twatlords.

>> No.10325779

I think SoEW is the hardest 2hu followed by GFW.

>> No.10325782

>>10325774

It cost me £100 for my Filco, I'm quite happy with that. I've had this keyboard for about two years now, not that £10 don't last several years.

>> No.10325787

>>10325772
Touhou.

>> No.10325788

In PCB if I press left, and then press down while still holding left, my character will haul ass straight down. Does anyone else experience this?

>> No.10325792

>>10325787
Why are you playing a shooter with a keyboard?

>> No.10325794

>>10325788
We frown upon people who use cheat codes. Please stop.

>> No.10325800

>>10325787

Are your fingers too fat to accurately hit a single small key or something?

>> No.10325803

>>10325800
No.

>> No.10325807

>>10325803

Then I don't see why you'd have a problem. Are all your keys really long or something too? Do you need all your keys to be long, is that it?

>> No.10325809

>>10325807
No.

>> No.10325816

>>10325809

I guess the only explanation is you just have tiny hands, so you can't reach to that key from whatever key-setup you have in Touhou. Easily fixed by moving it to a different key.

>> No.10325822

>>10325816
No.

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>> No.10325914

The one good thing I'll say about UFO is that it has a very fun stage 4.

>> No.10326078

>>10325914
Any tips on capturing the last spellcard?
I always get caught in the last ~10 seconds of it.

>> No.10326087

>>10325282
>implying killing a UFO is as easy as pressing X
>you can use 20+ bombs by the end of stage 2 in SA
>unlike UFO were you have to put a little effort into gathering resources, they are literally thrown at you in SA
>implying Utsuho isn't the easiest Stage 6 boss in the Windows series
>SA's Stage 5 midboss is a joke compared to UFO's glowyshit, and I find the stage portions themselves pretty comparable
>SA's Stage 6 is similarly incredibly easy since it's just streaming and gives you at least 5 bombs for free
>Bombs in SA are ridiculously plentiful
>Harder than UFO
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=21714

>> No.10326102

>>10326078
Unfortunately not. I only just started practicing this game to 1cc its hard mode. I want to get it out of the way asap since I hate UFO with a passion.

>> No.10326114

>>10326078
Don't move too much, only one or two rungs every time she shoots. You need to follow her rythm.

>> No.10326169

>>10326087
> Implying killing a ufo isn't as easy as shooting it for 2 seconds to get a free screen clear
> implying 20 bombs is anywhere near as good as 7 lives which also equals 14 bombs
> unlike UFO, if you fuck up when fighting a boss you receive no resources
> implying Byakuren isn't far easier. Stuck on a spell? 1 of UFO's ridiculously strong bombs will end almost any of byakurens spells. 2-3 bombs are needed to end Utsuho's.
> Implying orin isn't one of the hardest midbosses in all the touhou games (no you don't find the stage comparable, you're trying too hard now.)
> Implying that streaming section isn't much more difficult than sitting in the bottom right corner of UFO's stage 6 and pressing the shoot button, barely needing to move.
> Still being this delusional

>> No.10326177

>>10326169
>>10326087
stop

>> No.10326217

>>10326087
I didn't know you could just bomb everything like that. Why can I not bring myself to press the X button in SA?

>> No.10326245

>>10326169
You SA is harder-guys are cute.

>Implying you need bombs for Utsuho at all.
You are showing your ineptness. The other SA is harder guy months ago had done very well compared to your meager effort; he actually tried to hide the fact he was a bad player.

>> No.10326249 [DELETED] 

>>10326169
>implying that 2 seconds for a clear is insignificant
>implying that UFO resource collection remains just as easy after the first couple stages while it actually gets easier over time with SA
>unlike SA, if you fuck up your UFO route you receive no resources
>implying you even get resources during bosses in UFO
>SA drops 10 extends on you for doing fucking nothing
>implying any of Byakuren's attacks are harder than Utsuho's
>implying you need to use bombs on Utsuho
>even if you do, Utsuho drops 2 lives and several bombs while Byakuren drops nothing
>implying Nazrin isn't also one of the hardest
>implying the large fairies with their fast/purple spread and the end-stage red bullet spam are trivial
>implying you're going to get your claimed 4 free bombs by sitting in the bottom corner
>ignoring that the beginning of the Stage 6 and Nue midboss exist

>> No.10326253

>>10326169
>>10326087
>>10325282
It doesn't matter which game is harder since both UFO and SA suck ass.

>> No.10326258

>>10326169
>implying that 2 seconds for a clear is insignificant
>implying that UFO resource collection remains just as easy after the first couple stages while it actually gets easier over time with SA
>unlike SA, if you fuck up your UFO route you receive no resources
>implying you even get resources during bosses in UFO
>SA drops 10 extends on you for doing fucking nothing
>implying any of Utsuho's attacks are harder than Byakuren's
>implying you need to use bombs on Utsuho
>even if you do, Utsuho drops 2 lives and several bombs while Byakuren drops nothing
>implying Nazrin isn't also one of the hardest
>implying the large fairies with their fast/purple spread and the end-stage red bullet spam are trivial
>implying you're going to get your claimed 4 free bombs by sitting in the bottom corner
>ignoring that the beginning of the Stage 6 and Nue midboss exist

>> No.10326260

>>10326249
>implying any of Byakuren's attacks are harder than Utsuho's
Good job retard. Delete your post fast.

>> No.10326261

>>10326245
Does it really matter? The guy starting these arguments can't even clear the games on Lunatic, let alone play for score. His opinion will never matter, he's obviously just trying to stir up trouble because he's upset that he can't clear any of the games on anything above hard.

I'm sorry, but if you can't even do a simple Lunatic clear, your opinion is invalid and you shouldn't be able to talk about these games. Ever. Incompetence is unacceptable.

>> No.10326272

Is it normal that I find Orin much harder than Okuu? Still can't get used to her attacks, while stage 6 is a piece of cake.

Forgot to mention, normal difficulty. I'm still far from being good.

>> No.10326276

>>10326272
>Is it normal that I find Orin much harder than Okuu?
Yes.

>> No.10326280

>>10326261
>if you can't even do a simple Lunatic clear, your opinion is invalid and you shouldn't be able to talk about these games. Ever.
Don't you think you're going a bit far?

>> No.10326281

>>10326272
The general opinion is that Orin is indeed harder than Okuu. Much harder. ZUN's balance is second to none. It's the same reason why VoWG Easy is harder than Normal. And why IN ST4 is harder than other stages in IN.

>> No.10326297

>>10326261
>if you can't even do a simple Lunatic clear, your opinion is invalid and you shouldn't be able to talk about these games
I think the amount of time spent playing the game should determine who's opinion is more valid. People who play more usually have a better understanding of the scoring systems and other intricacies of the game, even if they can't improve because they are untalented. If you clear it on Lunatic, "gg no re w/e," and hopping to another game because you simply "beat it" doesn't show much competence at all.

>> No.10326305

>>10326245
> Implying you need bombs for Byakuren.
So you're a scrub then? Be quiet.
>>10326258
> Implying it isn't insignificant
> Implying it matters when you have max lives and 6 bombs by the end of stage 4 (fyi it only gets difficult on stage 5. That is all.)
> Implying you wouldn't have to try your hardest to fuck up something as simple as a UFO route.
> Implying you don't. You get life pieces at the end of each boss.
> Implying not dying on a boss is "for nothing"
> If you actually think Byakuren is hard then you need to stop replying because you're terrible at these games.
> As above, implying you need to use bombs on Byakuren
> Implying you need any extra resources to deal with Byakuren
> Below Orin yes, just like UFO compared to SA.
> The large fairies are trivial though...red bullet spam is the only semi-difficult part in the whole stage.
> Implying that's not exactly how you get them. You don't need to move to the left side of the screen at all if you don't want to.
>Implying the beginning and nue are relevant at all

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>>10326087
What are the point of these replays? They prove nothing. I could put a replay of shin making UFO his bitch. Does that prove anything? No? Then stop it.

>> No.10326334

>>10326305
Post your scores.

>> No.10326343

>>10326334
I don't play for score. I'm not autistic.

>> No.10326353

>>10326334
What a predictable reply.
Not me but what >>10326343 said.

>> No.10326354

>>10326343
Now the cunt you're arguing with will pull the old "I'm better than you therefore my opinion is more valid" card. You should have Photoshopped some scores.

>> No.10326364

>>10326343
Post your replay of you easily clearing UFO. We have a no dodging SA clear earlier on in the thread, can't you make one for UFO?

>> No.10326365

>>10326343
And you don't play for survival or challenge either because you're not autistic ?
If UFO's easy as you say, do a Lunatic 1cc now and post a replay.

>> No.10326370

Delicious drama.

>> No.10326380

>>10326305
>implying needing to spend time doing damage to a UFO instead of enemies is insignificant
>implying having those resources by then doesn't require impeccable play and planning, while SA just requires pressing X
>implying you wouldn't have to try your hardest to fuck up something as simple as pressing X
>implying getting resources after a boss is the same as during
>implying one life piece is comparable to multiple lives and bombs
>implying its even possible to die on bosses in SA
>implying you wouldn't need to die a bunch of times before the lost life pieces become significant (oh no 9 extends instead of 10)
>If you actually think Utsuho is hard then you need to stop replying because you're terrible at these games.
>How's your Cloudy Way in Purple spell history?
>Or Greatest Treasure?
>Tapping a direction until you're in a corner, only to bomb and have the power immediately replenished is trivial too
>actually, I forgot that the stage drops 3 green UFO tokens immediately, so nevermind there
>implying the beginning and Nue aren't relevant at all while streaming purple bullets is

>>10326318
>comparing a low effort NoDodge replay to shin

>> No.10326586

Around two years ago, I stumbled upon a video featuring a boss fight against Suika, made with Danmakufu. The BGM was an orchestral remix of Suika's theme and the patterns and music were synchronized.
The title was in japanese and I can't find it anymore...

>> No.10326597
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IBuv5QD3Y4
I rest my case. When you can do a no death run on SA, let me know.
Done by some random no less too.
UFO is truly bombing the game.

>> No.10326599

>>10326586
Concealed the conclusion?

>> No.10326610

>>10326599
Nope

>> No.10326613

>>10326599
No. That's not it.

>> No.10326615

>>10326597
>When you can do a no death run on SA, let me know.
But I can. A lot of people can.

>{TAS}
I like you. You're funny.

>> No.10326617

>>10326597
I appreciate you being on my side but don't impersonate me please.

>> No.10326634

>>10326615
>But I can. A lot of people can.
Proof?

>>10326617
I'm not impersonating anybody. wat

>> No.10326647

>>10326617
But he wasn't on your side at all by posting the TAS-ed run.

>> No.10326663

>>10326647
I never even fully checked the video out. I guess he's either stupid or trying to besmirch my non existent rep.
Either way I'm too tired to care now.

>> No.10326685

>>10326634
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=24697

Nindel is an up and coming decent player, but there's still Heartbeam, dot_asp, Funen1, T, Naut, Nereid, Riz, Cactu, etc.

Given the way SA hands out resources, a no bomb 1cc is probably harder than a no miss 1cc.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/index.php?g=11&t=0&d=4&c=1&ch=8&order=score&sort=DESC

>> No.10326739

>>10326685
Please don't name drop so much.

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>>10326685
Looks TAS'd.

>> No.10326826

>>10326757
TAS?

>> No.10326842

>>10326826
tool assisted speedrun

>> No.10326930

>>10326685
Heartbeam and T died. Stop namedropping.

>> No.10327017

Mediocre player streaming some Mystic Square on Normal.

Feel It In My Bones Edition: twitch.tv/rezardi

>> No.10327552

Just started playing Touhou 5 and I can't beat the level 5 boss. Just gonna keep playing I guess.

>> No.10327567

>>10326343
>I don't play for score.

>>10326305
>So you're a scrub then? Be quiet.

>> No.10328501

>>10327567
Because it's real hard to watch top score runners replays then mimic them whilst changing 1-2 things only.
Face it, all score running requires is time and memorization. Anyone can do it. I don't consider any score runner to be a good player at all.

>> No.10328510

>>10328501
Score is an objective measurement of skill. Stay free.

>> No.10328521

>>10328501
What do you think of the players that invented the scoring routes.

>> No.10328524

>>10328510
Why do you are about how skilled someone is at pushing buttons? Why must any game that's remotely difficult develop idiots surrounding it who think the only attraction is and should be the difficulty?

>> No.10328539

>>10328521
No one invents them. Someone posts a really sub-optimal high-score replay. Then someone else copies that and does something differently to increase the score a little. Then someone else copies that and does something differently.

>> No.10328544

Nautral talent :V:V:V:V:V

>> No.10328565

>>10328501
Wow, you're fucking retarded.

>> No.10328587

>>10328524
Why does anyone care about how well someone can kick a ball?
Why does anyone care about how well someone can throw a ball?
Why does anyone care about how well somebody can hit a ball?
etc

>> No.10328588

>>10328539
You speak like the "does something differently" happens by accident or something. Just because it's a collaboration doesn't make it thoughtless.

>> No.10328623

>>10328539
That must be why guys like SWY and ISO routinely destroy everybody at every game they touch.

>> No.10328654

>>10328587
Because acts of physical power are impressive. Acts of autism are not.

>> No.10328662

>>10328654
Spoiler: They're all skills that require time, training and memorization.

>> No.10328665

>>10328662
Please do not misuse spoilers.

>> No.10328666

>>10328662
You say that like I'm not aware of it. No one is impressed by you except other autists.

>> No.10328674

>>10328501
>all score running requires is time and memorization. Anyone can do it.
Care to back up your claim? Please, show that it is as simple as you say so that I can throw my thousands of hours of fruitless efforts away and stop playing Touhou forever.

>> No.10328676

>>10328510
Is it really? I see score as an objective measurement of autism.
I could do it too, if I was willing to invest the time into it. It's boring and tedious though.
Show me someone who can no bomb no focus no death run the games. That would be a real showing of skill and finesse.

>>10328521
See >>10328539
He pretty much hit the nail on the head.

>> No.10328694

>>10328674
I'm not quite sure you fully grasp what I've just said. When I say it requires time, I don't mean it requires a few hours.
Also no, I will never score run these games. Ever. I'll do every other challenge possible with them. Then when I've exhausted all my options and only score running remains, I'll unfortunately stop playing them.

>> No.10328695

>Anyone can do it
>I could do it if I wanted
-- Anonymous scrubs of /jp/, 2013

>> No.10328704

>>10328694
post ur lnmnbnufos

>> No.10328735

>>10328695
Don't worry, I understand. You want people to froth over your pitifully easy to accomplish achievements, and thus are trying to make score running sound like some incredibly hard task, when in reality it's just memorizing some guys replay then grazing an extra few bullets to put yourself slightly above his score. Then he does the same against you and thus the clash of the autists officially begins.

>> No.10328755

>>10328676
>Show me someone who can no bomb no focus no death run the games. That would be a real showing of skill and finesse.
You realize that scoring is more or less those conditions but with much more additional risk involved, right. Maybe not no focus, except with PCB and IN human solo scoring.

>> No.10328761

>>10328735
>pitifully easy

Feel free to get a world record any time you want. I'll wait.

>> No.10328789

>>10328735
How many people are actually willing to put forth the effort into scoring? Few. Very few. Why? Because it's not easy. Also considering the fact that most scoring runs in [Touhou] games where scoring isn't shitty require you to not die, not bomb unless there is significant scoring gain, and not focus when you're supposed to. Oversimplifying everything and calling it "pitifully easy?" Please, set a new world record.

>> No.10328796

>>10328676
>Show me someone who can no bomb no focus no death run the games. That would be a real showing of skill and finesse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL5OWIoEQDE

>> No.10328805

>>10328735
>pitifully easy
>when in reality it's just memorizing some guys replay then grazing an extra few bullets to put yourself slightly above his score
Ease of describing something does not translate to ease of accomplishment. The tasks you describe are simple to describe but difficult to execute.

>but anyone who puts time into it can do it
Welcome to how skill-based tasks work. Or are you going to argue based on edge cases that winning the genetic lottery is somehow an impressive feat?

>> No.10328831

Why is SA the worst game in the series?

>> No.10328835

>>10328831
Because ZUN thought people were having too much fun with MoF so he made a shit game to counterbalance it.

>> No.10328847

>>10328835
How could anyone have fun with MoF though
That's the real kicker

>> No.10328855

>>10328835
But MoF was shit too. It only received a three star rating on insomnia/culture.vg, after all.

>> No.10328866

>>10328761
>>10328789

Still asking for score runs when I've made it very clear I don't play for score? I expected nothing less to be honest.

>How many people are actually willing to put forth the effort into scoring? Few. Very few. Why? Because it's not easy.

Very few yes. Why? Because it's time consuming and boring.
How dull must your life be if you spend hours of your day looking over some guys replay, following "exactly" what he does, seeing one (and yes you only need to improve on 1 area, by a tiny bit to beat him) part that can be slightly improved upon then spending the time learning his route.


>>10328796
Now I can appreciate that as skillful, despite it only being an extra stage.


>>10328805
It is that easy though. I've copied EOSD's WR players route in the past and did better than him for the first 3 stages before realizing I was being an idiotic autist, who was having no fun at all and felt 0 accomplishment by the end of it, and why should I have felt accomplishment? I was copying someones pre laid out route.
This is when I came to the realization that score runners are complete scrubs, and their task requires very little actual "skill"

>> No.10328871

>>10328831
That's not how you spell EoSD or TD.

>> No.10328904

>>10328866
Are you from America? It's known as the land of the free, after all.

>> No.10328908

>>10328904
He he he

>> No.10328918

I won't even play a shmup unless it has an interesting scoring system. Playing for survival is so boring and easy, it could probably be used as a substitute for Nyquil.

>> No.10328920

>>10328866
>I've copied EOSD's WR players route in the past and did better than him for the first 3 stages
I don't believe you for a moment.

>> No.10328924

>>10324899
I have a PS2 controller w/ an adapter that I mostly use for emulation, but i prefer to go keyboard instead for Touhou.
I find keys snappier and more precise than using a gamepad. You may have some luck with the controller if you have enough practice, though. Or maybe you'd just use it for the extra challenge, I dunno. It's all up to you, really.

>> No.10328954

>>10328920
> I don't believe you for a moment.
I guess it's a good thing that I don't give a shit about what you think then.

>> No.10328955

>>10328866
Most of the scorerunners do challenge runs as well, often succeeding in those due to their extensive knowledge of the game via lots of scoring practice.

I still haven't seen any replay of yours, where you are doing these skillful dodging challenge plays of yours. And now that you are claiming to be an Ichizoku-level player, I'd really like to see those.

>> No.10328979

>>10328955
Ask your score runners to no focus no bomb no death some games. Let's see them succeed at that with their extensive knowledge of the game.
How about NBNDNF EoSD? Not even one of the harder games, should be easy, right?

>> No.10328984

>>10328954
I just find it baffling that someone that can compete with an EoSD WR would find a shitty TD Extra video "skillful".

>> No.10328986

A guy claimed that UFO is easier than SA and he can beat UFO Lunatic easily but won't provide any proof that he can.

Another guy claimed that he's better than WR players but don't provide any proof that he can.

And we're still falling for those.

>> No.10328990

>>10328979
Oh wait I forgot, they only know one route. There's no way they could do anything that requires true skill. My bad, I must have got carried away.

>> No.10328997

>>10328979
Many of the best scoring players have already beaten the games on Lunatic no miss/bomb.

No focus is obnoxious during dense patterns, though I'm sure it wouldn't be much of a problem on a game like PCB.

>> No.10328998

>>10328979
Has anyone even NMNB'd EoSD?

>> No.10329002

>>10328986
Won't be long until another CAVE is better than Touhou in every way argument.

>> No.10329004

why do people use this, it's the anonymity that allows this person to say these things. nobody that actually knows these games will believe your claim of being ahead of a former WR after stage 3. quit it.

>> No.10329015

>>10328979
>>10328998
EoSD is actually one of the hardest games to NMNB due to RNG bullshit. When I last checked, there were claims and screenshots, but no replays given.

>>10328990
>Oh wait I forgot, they only know one route. There's no way they could do anything that requires true skill. My bad, I must have got carried away.
You're very silly if you genuinely believe this.

>> No.10329017

>>10328998
Nobody makes it out of Scarlet Gensokyo alive.

>> No.10329026

>>10328984
Compete =/= the first 3 stages.
I never realized I was so close to beating him.


>>10328986
I had more score than him by the end of stage 3. Going by your own (very stupid)logic, I am better than him.


>>10329015
> EoSD is actually one of the hardest games to NMNB due to RNG bullshit. When I last checked, there were claims and screenshots, but no replays given.
I know, I was being sarcastic.

>> No.10329039

>>10329026
Go make a replay where you have a higher score than the WR at the end of stage 3, then.

>> No.10329049

>>10329039

Don't bother the anon. Such a task is far too simple for him.

>> No.10329056

>>10328979
HS has a NMNBNBB PCB.
YASU and some others have a NMNB IN.
quite a few people have a NMNB MoF.
I don't remember the names, but they probably were saki and UKT with NMNB SA.
shin has a NMNBNUFO UFO.
Lots of people have NMNBNT TD.

Now, your replays of challenge runs.

>> No.10329078

>>10329049
Of course, i knew it. He must be the kind of guy who can do anything and he's only aiming for NBNM pacifist Ultra 300 FPS. He probably thinks that goal is in his reach now and he doesn't need to beat it because when he thinks he can do it means that he already did it. Such a great man of out time.

>> No.10329092

>>10329039
What part of I don't play for score is too hard for you to grasp?
Besides I don't "remember" (keyword when describing score running) the route.

>>10329078
Anon please, I could have been a grand master at chess, but that too is just boring memorization.

>> No.10329099

>>10329092
>What part of I don't play for score is too hard for you to grasp?
Did you hear that folks? He was beating the world record without even trying! Truly, a prodigy of our time. I'm just absolutely speechless!

>> No.10329111

>>10329099
>I've copied EOSD's WR players route in the past and did better than him for the first 3 stages before realizing I was being an idiotic autist, who was having no fun at all and felt 0 accomplishment by the end of it, and why should I have felt accomplishment? I was copying someones pre laid out route.
This is when I came to the realization that score runners are complete scrubs, and their task requires very little actual "skill"

Take a break from your monotonous score running and pick up the ability to read.

>> No.10329114

>>10329092
You are ignoring every post which asks you to post a challenge run replay. Why?

>> No.10329127

If I post a replay of me beating the WR score on stage 1 EoSD, will I become a celebrity amongst autists here? Because I can do that within a few hours of practice. Easily.
I don't have the patience to go further than stage 1 though since it's dull as fuck.

>> No.10329135

>>10329127
Okay. But you don't need to beat WR record or anything. You just need to have a score that non of us can beat is enough. Because all of us are scrubs, you shouldn't have any problem beating our score, right ?

>> No.10329155

>>10329127
On couple condition:
1. Play Lunatic.
2. The resource you have at the end of the stage must match with the current WR or better. That includes power item.
3. No cheating, and it has to be yours.

>> No.10329167

>>10329127
You already are a celebrity autist, so I'd tell you to go for it. Remember to use similar amount of rescources than the current WR does in that stage, since every life and bomb will be used later on for supergrazing with bomb/death-invincibility abuse. EoSD scoring is horrible, but if you really want to do your thing with EoSD, I will not stop you.

I'd rather watch a challenge run from you, thought.

>> No.10329171

>>10329127
>>10329135
>>10329155
At this point, I'll take any kind of replay that shows off something that he considers "skillful". Survival, scoring, whatever.

>> No.10329180

>>10329135
>>10329155
>>10329167
>>10329171
Nah, who am i kidding. If he wants to deliver a replay, he would have delivered it long ago, I'd rather go sit in a corner and crying for my miserable life than waiting for him to deliver.

>> No.10329301

>>10329171
I'm not skillful. Nor have I even said I am. I said score runners have no skill.
I don't know when the topic swung over to me having any skill. I personally blame the devastated score runners who probably got too defensive when I said what they do isn't admirable in the slightest.

>>10329180
You lack faith. I'm in the middle of doing it now. Infact I've already got the hang of the midboss. WR guy grazes midboss rumias spellcard for what? 400 graze? I just got over 900 from that spell alone.
Step up, sensei.

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10329362

>>10329301
It's not as if my faith can fall below zero.

>> No.10329367

>>10329301
You get less fairies on if you spend more time on the midboss. Remember the anon who mentioned that you also need similar or higher point-items with the current world record in order to make it count for the following stage.

You yourself claimed that scorerunners are horrible players, I posted about several well-known WR holders' survival challenge runs in order to note, that they are also doing challenge runs. You ignored the post, why?

>> No.10329404

>>10329367
Because it was just an act

>> No.10329411

>>10329367
>You get less fairies on if you spend more time on the midboss.
I see.

> You yourself claimed that scorerunners are horrible players, I posted about several well-known WR holders' survival challenge runs in order to note, that they are also doing challenge runs. You ignored the post, why?

Players that can only score run are horrible in my eyes. If the players you mentioned (I don't see your post) have pulled off some No death, No bomb, No focus challenge runs as WELL as score running then they're obviously not horrible, quite the contrary if they can pull off a challenge run like that.


I even have more respect for someone like Riz than most score runners on here. I'd like to see them do some NBNUFO runs and succeed rather than their easy mode, copy some guys replay scoring.

>> No.10329417

>>10329411
>I even have more respect for someone like Riz
So that's were you're coming from. Figures.

>> No.10329426

>>10329301
Why even post if you probably knew "score runners" would get defensive? Alright, it's their fault for being defensive. However, you are the cause of such a reaction. Did you expect to persuade them otherwise? If not, it's only going to come off as being unnecessarily rude, and you deserve whatever offensive replies you get. No different from that "EoSD bomb delay" anon.

No one in this thread has to openly state that scoring takes no skill or the opposite. It's already damn clear that people are set in their ways when it comes to judging what is skillful and what isn't. Nothing good will come out of stating one obvious side of an old argument around here, unless you are fishing for responses then trying to outpost them. If that's what you're going for, you're doing a fantastic job, not that achieving that is difficult (see EoSD bomb delay anon).

Otherwise, you sound like a broken record to anyone who has seen any score-related arguments. Why bother when you can take it easy looking down at the scoring community in your mind, alone? Most people here probably have their opinions too, of course. But they are also capable of ignoring disagreeable ones without feeling the need to assert their opinions (redundantly) over multiple posts. You made your opinion clear, let's leave it at that instead of dragging it on, especially not to the next thread.

>> No.10329429

>>10329426
get a life nerd LEL

>> No.10329430

>>10329411
>I even have more respect for someone like Riz than most score runners on here. I'd like to see them do some NBNUFO runs and succeed rather than their easy mode, copy some guys replay scoring.
I am delighted that you hold me in such high regard, but I can tell you from personal experience that scoring is not as easy as you might think. It depends, of course. Some survival challenges are easier than scoring ones and vice-versa. For example, I do not believe that my NBNUFO runs can match the world records for their categories, even if the two things are hard to compare. Those things are scary and made by amazing players with both amazing survival and scoring achievements.

>> No.10329435

>>10329426
> (see EoSD bomb delay anon).
> Implying I'm not him
> Implying I'm not SA vs UFO anon too
> Implying I'm not the SA vs UFO anon from months ago too.
> Implying I'm not laughing my ass off right now.
> Implying yous ever say more than 10 things a day if not for me stirring shit.

>> No.10329436

>>10329435
le xD

>> No.10329439

>>10329435

So you're tsundere for us? Anon pls...

>> No.10329444

>>10329435
Slow threads are fine too.

Thanks for telling everyone that you were simply trying to stir shit by the way. While I personally don't care about SA vs UFO, knowing that EoSD bomb delay was just a silly joke is quite a relief.

>> No.10329448

Playing for score sucks - http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=41394
Scoreless shooter mods: "Scoring" for survival - http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=41427

>> No.10329462

>>10329444
I'll stop shitting up the threads for now. Though it was fun.
I don't like slow threads personally. I have plenty of friends that like touhou, but not many that actually play/like the games. So I come here for some heated STG discussion but alas, there is none to be found.

>> No.10329464

>>10329462
Well there's nothing to discuss.

>> No.10329471

>>10329411
Scoring requires much tighter execution than any cheesy survival run.

>> No.10329477

>>10329462
I would tell you to go to shmups forum but no one deserves that.

>> No.10329480

>>10329411
Could you point me out a single scorerunner from this board who hasn't done any survival challenge runs?
Yeah, me neither.

>I don't see your post
>>10329056

World isn't black and white, scoreplayers do also challenge runs, and vice versa.

>their easy mode, copy some guys replay scoring.
As the only currently active (bad) easymode scoring player on the board, I'll point out that most of my routes are made by myself. And I believe most people do. Forming out your own path around the game is part of the fun, whether one was playing for survival or scoring.

>> No.10329487

>>10329462
If you brought up a specific thing from a specific game instead of some broad topic where the discussion is surely to turn into something like the past couple hours, it might happen. Turns out no one here actually wants to do that, or can't.

>> No.10329490

>>10329462
>So I come here for some heated STG discussion but alas, there is none to be found.
I feel the same way at times. Not that I've been here forever, but I think that these threads used to have more discussion about actual gameplay. Even in places outside of /jp/, I'm having trouble finding people to talk to. The only place where it really seems to happen is the live shows, but those are never permanent. Could it be that we have simply exhausted everything there is to talk about?

I apologize for the excessive amounts of meta-posts.

>> No.10329496

>>10329464
durramar pls ream

>> No.10329499

>>10329480
I'll never do "challenge" runs because player-defined rules are arbitrary wastes of time. Trying to compete against the best is the only reason to play these games.

>> No.10329503

>>10329499
>trying to compete against the best is the only reason to play these games
You're an idiot.

>> No.10329509

>>10329499
I only play them to be better than Adamar.

>> No.10329515

>>10329509
You don't need to achieve much, then!

>> No.10329517

>>10329503
And you're free.

>> No.10329524

>>10329499
Post your scores.

>> No.10329529

>>10329524
post u're dick

>> No.10329576

>>10329435
You are a good guy. I love you.

>> No.10329578

>>10329524
No. The only reason I made that post is because I'm anonymous.

>> No.10329607

>>10329578
In other news you can name your replay as an Anonymous.

>> No.10329612

>>10329576
Thanks, I love you too.

>> No.10329681

>>10329661
New thread

>> No.10329695

>>10328676
>I could do it too,
No you couldn't you're shit.
waaah people are better than me, I'll just claim it's autism huehuehue.
stay free casuals.

>> No.10329818

>>10329695
You realize he was trolling, right?

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