STG/Touhou

[Anonymous No.]

Old thread: >>10228639

Talk about Touhou and other STG's. Chat with fellow players, blog about your progress, plead for help on problematic spots, and so on.


How long can you last dodging this, /jp/?

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>>10269309
Not very.

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>>>/vg/

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>>10269375
Which thread? Whether stg or touhou don't bring any result on the catalog.

[Anonymous No.]

Something happened with my copy of PCB and I have no idea what, everytime I launch it, it shows this error message. It worked fine a few days ago and I havent really done anything to my touhou folder where it's located. All other touhou's work

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>>10269429
got the error message in jap now

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>>10269432
Redownload it from somewhere else.

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>>10269432
Touhou Audit Trail
Cannot cause move two instance

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>>10269441
redownloaded from a different source, same error

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>>10269432
kill one of th07 process

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>>10269493
Have you restarted your computer?
I got a similar message (maybe the same) when i accidentally opened the Japanese version and quickly opened the English one, since trying opening the same game twice i got the error, but it fixed after restarting.

[Anonymous No.]

So, from where can I download the Touhou games without joining a botnet?

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>>10269666
Fuck off back to /g/ you shitstain.

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Which joystick do the pros use?

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>>10269820
This *whip out dick*

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>>10269309

I hate Rin's stage so much up to this point...

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>>10269840
Yeah. Only Touhou game where stage 5 is more annoying than stage 4.

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>>10267832

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I finally beat Double Spoiler and unlocked Hatate.
Snapshot "Fast Shot" was such a bitch.

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>>10269248
But EoSD already has a spellcard history.

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>>10269309
2 seconds at best.

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>>10269820
different players have different preferences though they're usually Hori sticks modded with Seimitsu parts, just find a stick you like and don't worry about modding it at first.

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And TD Hard done (lost 2 lives on Seiga and 2 on Miko). My 4th hard after IN, PCB and MoF.
Took me longer than I thought. On normal it's the easiest with MoF but on hard the difficulty is on par with the other games and MoF stays alone the easiest.
And I recently realized that more fairies who spawn purple/green orbs will appear if you kill the first ones fast enough. Didn't know that when I was playing on normal.
So I only have SA and UFO left (since I can't play EoSD because my laptop lags at 30-40fps starting Meiling no matter the settings). It's time to start crying.

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Please stream /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>10270857
www.twitch.tv/minogame

[Anonymous No.]

>>10270871
Thanks for streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

TD Hard 1CC attempts
twitch.tv/exxelent

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Complete Touhou noob here; used the customization feature to make EoSD windowed and though I have both versions, they do not work in windowed mode (music plays but visually, it's stuck on the intro screen, "This is a Curtain Shooter, etc.)

what can a nigga do

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>>10269666

Just get the collection from The Pirate Bay; it has a lot of seeders and it even has the fighting games,

Dunno why it was so tough for these guys to tell you

[Lawlium !Frog.OJvPU No.]

I did it /jp/! I finally 1cc'd a game. I really panicked at the end. But I feel relieved.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=26095

[Anonymous No.]

>>10272609
good job! and it was a fun stream

I don't think you bombed enough though

[Anonymous No.]

>>10272609
Congrats

Feels so good to do well after a panic attack

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any other cute STGs?

The only other STGs I know of are gross metallic space junk.

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>>10272742
Did you try Touhou? I heard it's got lots of cute girls.

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>>10272786
I said other. Meaning other than Touhou.

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>>10269880

UFO

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>>10272817
don't think so
UFO stage 4 is "i can't see shit, captain"

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>>10272742
Crimzon Clover is kawaii as shit

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>>10272938
I'm pretty sure you're thinking 5.

Also, letting items drop is your fault.

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>>10272742
http://www.giantbomb.com/cute-em-up/92-6420/games/

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>>10272742
But gross metallic space junk is the best!
Have you played any later Cave games?

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>>10272977
At least on normal, I find UFO stage 5 easier than 4. Can't talk for hard/lunatic though.

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>>10273789
later Cave games follow the cute/moe trend, it's the older older ones that are more metallicy.

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>>10272742
Triggerheart Exelica, Soreyuke Burunyanman, Cotton, Gunbird, Parity Shot, Mamoru-Kun, Trouble Witches & Deathsmiles

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>>10272285
i had a similar problem where the game wouldnt play in windowed mode

solution: play full screen, its lots better

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>>10273829
>>10272977
Okay, just tried on hard and it's true that all those neon colors made my eyes bleed. It was a lot less aggressive on normal.

[Anonymous No.]

Please stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10272223
Going at it again, losing the run to Seiga is a very likely possibility.

[Anonymous No.]

tfw you're going to capture boundary of humans and youkai and panic, then bomb.

fml

[Riz !5.t9CxHR0g!!5lTr5XeDmip No.]

http://www.twitch.tv/rizth
I am streaming for a bit just because I haven't done it in a while.

[Anonymous No.]

I can't believe I didn't take the screen shot of the final stats.
ANYWAYS, I FINALLY 1CC'd A GAME ON LUNATIC!! THE GAME I CHOSE WAS EoSD!! I had also never 1cc'd a game on hard, but I have 0-bomb normal 1cc'd 6-13 and 0-bombed extras 6-12
I watched my replay to bask in my glory, but to also count what would've been on the stats:
13 spell card caps
7 misses
23 bombs
had 1 extra life and 1 bomb at the end.
My heart hasn't beaten that hard in a long time over a game.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=26126

[Anonymous No.]

>>10279254
YAY

[Anonymous No.]

Soon...SOON...

[Anonymous No.]

>>10279299
>3049
U wot m8 ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10279340
I'm not good with princesses...

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone streaming?

[Anonymous No.]

I've 1cc'd on Normal all these touhou's:
Embodiment of Scarlet Devil
Perfect Cherry Blossom
Imperishable Night
Mountain of Faith
UFO
Ten Desires

How good am I?

[Robert No.]

>>10279879
lol ur very good i cant even beat stage 2 on easy using 3 continues x_x

[Anonymous No.]

>>10279879
those aren't accomplishments that merit mention

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>>10279893
NEITHER IS YOUR EXISTENCE

[Anonymous No.]

Is it me or is Orin REALLY hard to beat

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>>10279879
You're just at the start. 1% of the long trip.

[Anonymous No.]

IN is one of the hardest of all the games to 1cc on hard mode.
Anybody share my opinion?
It took me literally 2 weeks, compared to the other games taking 1-3 days each.
It should go without saying but, obviously I'm talking about default lives/bombs here.
I did it with Remi/Sakuya too, so maybe that's why.
Also I find Reimu harder than Marisa

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>>10279969
I don't know about hard but I find Reimu harder than Marisa even though people say Reimu is easier on Hard difficulty.

[Anonymous No.]

Reimu is harder for survival. Marisa is harder for scoring. But i only use solo Youmu for scoring.

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>>10280009
>solo youmu
You madman.

None is harder, it depends on your strengths as a players. Reimu is easier for those who don't have problems streaming, Marisa for those who like micrododging.

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>>10279969
IN is the first game I 1cc'd on Hard. Border team all the way.
And Reimu is easier on all difficulties imo.

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>>10279948
Two or three bombs at point blank on each card you don't like makes her a lot easier.

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>>10280079
I heard that if you time out the danmaku she sends at you at mid-level point, you can skip that annoying drunken cat spellcard which is a pain to dodge, making the rest of the level a lot easier.

[Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA No.]

>>10274213
That's not strictly true. ESP Ra. De., DoDonPachi MAXIMUM, they've always gone back and forth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10280124
but Esp Ra De is neither cute nor moe, nor metallic. Neither is Guwange.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm training in order to 1CC IN on lunatic, wish me luck guys i feel like i'm doing pretty good for now.

[Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA No.]

>>10280140
You don't think the Alice clones are moe? Dem chipmunk screams.

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>>10280098
If I remember correctly, it's rather that if you time out her mid-boss fight, you'll skip the shit you see in op pic. But not sure.

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>>10280098
>>10280195
Just tried on normal and you're right. If you time out her first attack, she leaves so you skip the second one and cat's walk and go directly to op pic.

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>>10280283
Well, It makes it a lot easier

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>>10280306
That is, if you have a problem with the cat walk spell, like I do

[Anonymous No.]

First 1cc, was sloppy and I nearly didn't make it but it's still a 1cc. Got it using Marisa/Alice.

[Anonymous No.]

Which one should I do.
A normal 1cc on SA,
A hard 1cc on Imperishable Night
or A hard 1cc on Ten Desires

[Anonymous No.]

Okay seriously, does anybody have any tips for hongs opening non spell? (Playing hard mode right now, just fyi)
For some reason I just cannot keep up with it. I know it's probably not hard once you get the hang of it but for now I keep losing a life to it...and I'm stubborn and don't want to bomb it...Honestly I find that opening non spell more dangerous than anything else she does.
Maybe it's so hard because I get to her without dying and the whole rank thing in EoSD is fucking me over?

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>>10279916
i know that already

[Anonymous No.]

>>10280364
bomb it

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>>10280362
The one you prefer.

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>>10280364
God that was depressing. Died to that non spell twice then perfected her. I don't even...

[Anonymous No.]

normal 1CC'd UFO and MOF in the same week after struggling with each for a while. Best fucking christmas ever.

[Gensokyo Gal XV !nLH26A83Ug No.]

>>10280124
Dodonpachi Daioujou is the best shmup ever :D

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>>10279969
Not at all. It's one of the few I've managed, and then I even did it with solo Reimu to unlock that one last word. The stages are 90% mindless streaming and the deathbomb time is so long that you can give your all at dodging difficult spellcards that you only have a decent chance of beating and actually capture some of them without worrying about throwing a life away. And then the 5th stage boss, rather than being a horrible wall of pain like Youmu or Orin, is a bunch of gimmicky spellcards that are just about the same difficulty on normal mode as lunatic.

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>>10280378
There's no reason not to just bomb whatever gets dangerous at that point. As long as you make it through stage 3 with no lives lost, you should have no problem with a 1cc.

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>>10280364
>Maybe it's so hard because I get to her without dying and the whole rank thing in EoSD is fucking me over?

Actually it's one of those rare things in EoSD where it's more dangerous on a low rank.
So you definitely don't want to die right before her.

[Anonymous No.]

How should i play?
Fullscreen or Windowed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10280409
always play windowed so you don't miss out on thread updates

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>>10280393
Wat.
Youmu is ridiculously easy though. Infact PCB took me 4 tries after beating all the games on normal, to beat it's hard mode. It was my first hard mode I tried and it was crazy easy.
As for the whole deathbomb thing, it's longer but takes two bombs. I'd rather it be like the other games and be shorter than have it take double my resources.

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>>10280434
>I'd rather it be like the other games and be shorter than have it take double my resources.
Just bomb before you get hit then. You can actually deathbomb with 1 bomb in IN if you do it in a frame or two.

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>>10280434
>Youmu is ridiculously easy though

Pardon?

>>10280409
Whatever feels comfortable. I know a lot of people swear by fullscreen only (and fair enough) but personally since I started streaming windowed has become perfectly natural. Remember for the older games you can use the Vpatch settings to make the window a more reasonable size.

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>>10280446
I'm pretty sure you have at least like 4 frames to do it with 1 bomb.
>>10280434
It might take extra resources, but IN throws free bombs at you all day. It just eliminates that risk of you dying with full bomb stock which tends to ruin a run.

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>>10280393
and easily the hardest 4th boss, and a very hard 6th boss
you missed that out

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>>10280454
Exactly what I said. Youmu is easy. She has 1 bomb worthy spellcard and that's all.

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>>10280124
Esp Ra.De isn't cute or moe, I have no idea what Maximum is I'd guess one of the crappy phone games, but they're a joke anyway.
The point was the older games follow the grittier theme, even if not metaly, DP, DDP, Esp Ra.De, Progear, Ketsui, and the newer games follow a more cute/fluffy theme, Mushis, Galudas, DFK, MMP, DS. The last game they made without all the fluff was what? Ibara if 2005.

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>>10280283
Still better to bomb Cat Walk for the lifepiece and get less of the popcorn spam, which will most likely force out a bomb if you time out the nonspell. Then again, maybe the Normal variation is super easy.

[Anonymous No.]

http.//livestream.com/seppostream/
Playing IN badly.

[Anonymous No.]

http://livestream.com/seppostream/
Playing IN badly.

[Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA No.]

>>10280752
Deathsmiles isn't gritty? You flay the skin from a screaming giant disembodied head then destroy its skull to boot, and that's just one boss fight. Galudas aren't that much less gritty than Ra.De.

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>>10280874
>Deathsmiles isn't gritty?
Well no, it's probably the fluffiest cave game to date, rivaled only by DSII & PS.

[Anonymous No.]

Finished my first extra today. (PCB) I feel nice.

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>>10280334
Here. What game should I try and 1cc next? Or should I focus on cleaning up my run in IN?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10281064 TD is very easy one. And MoF once you get how bombs work.

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>>10280752
Akai Katana has fighter planes, samurais and Xbox hueg battleships. Only one of the playable characters is a little moe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10269309
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=26131
（　・∀・）[＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝ビーム!!

[Anonymous No.]

I can breeze through all of PCB, and get to yuyuko with more than just a few lives to spare
But I'll be damned if that last word doesn't throw me off to new proportions, how exactly do I get past that hell of spinning red bullets?
Playing on normal.

[Anonymous No.]

Wow. Remi is incredibly easy on hard mode. I just got to stage 6 (used a continue though) now and captured all remi's spells except that thousand needle one and scarlet meister.
Infact, I dare say the stages are giving me more trouble than the bosses in EoSD. Even patchy isn't "that" bad, though she is the most challenging IMO.
Probably gonna be able to 1cc this on hard by today despite having took a 5 or so month break from touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10281172
If you stay close, you can go through the red butterflies before they separate. As long as you don't make too many horizontal movements, you shouldn't have a huge problem.

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>>10281112
All the characters are either pretty girls or bishies, though it has less fluff than their other new games it's still a far cry from their early games.

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw you rob yourself of an easy 1cc because you cannot bring yourself to do something as easy as click the fucking bomb button, then you end up dying 4 times in a row, wasting 12 bombs pretty much
I hate myself

[Anonymous No.]

>>10281605
I hate you too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10281631
anon pls, that's mean

[Anonymous No.]

How long do you have to play until you can 1cc a normal?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10281846
I'd say around 20-50 hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10281846
If you just started STGs?
About roughly a week or so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10281846
200 hours of Lunatic grinding and then you can step down to Normal and 1cc it within a few attempts. It worked for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10281846
I meant the learning curve actually

>>10281846
...But I still couldn't get it after playing for months...

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>>10281967
Try the harder modes first, or Shoot the Bullet or Double Spoiler, not being able to bomb will help you remember patterns so you won't fuck up all the damn time, it'll also help your reflexes.
When there a shit ton of those diamond small bullets on the screen just focus on your hitbox instead of whats ahead.
When you get pretty far and game over, save a replay, and scan over things you could've done better, and look for safespots too.
Just practice, you'll get better. It took me about 3 months to 1cc EoSD when I first started 2hu, and a year to beat SA on normal. Now I can easily 1cc them both on hard and lunatic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10281923
>>10281995
Thanks for the tips! Gonna do that next time.

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>>10280475
When you're at the level of struggling to 1cc, not having to worry about one of the last three bosses means that you have so much freedom to bomb the other two as much as you need. Though it is worth mentioning that Keine is pretty tough for a stage 3 boss.

[Anonymous No.]

These games are fucking bullshit. I press the bomb button a good second before I die and it doesn't even register. Fuck this shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282352
Maybe you should STEP IT THE FUCK UP BITCH

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282379
Maybe the game should stop being a poorly optimized sack of shit and bomb the moment I click the button

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>>10282379
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282394
Maybe your keyboard sucks and you can't press shift, Z, two directional keys, and X at the same time.

Or you need vpatch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282352
>>10282394
Is this what they call a "scrub?"

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>>10282418
Yeh because a Filco Majestouch Ninja II with cherry mx red switches sucks ass.
I'm using vpatch as well. I'm pressing the bomb key a second before anything even touches me.

>>10282420
Is this what they call defending your poor quality games that rely on fast reflexes but give you a 1 second delay on an important thing such as bombing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282352
Did you get clipped? XD

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282452
Please stop playing if you want to don't want to die and very enjoy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282452
Pleasee take it easy to don't want to die and very enjoyee your lifetime no matter what.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282472
There's a big difference between dying because of bad play and dying because the game is fucking shit and thinks a 1 second delay on bombing is fucking hilarious

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282488
I don't notice it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282488
The delay is actually something like 0.3 seconds

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282496
There is no delay. It's instant. Even with hardware delay in user input or display, the deathbomb window exists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282510
Im talking about when the hitbox is hit, the user has 0.3 seconds to slap X

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282527
>>10282510

Bullshit. I click it then a second later you hear the sound that indicates you've been hit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282539
Take a video of your hands and screen in the same shot and I'll believe you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282553
I couldn't give a shit if you believe me. That's what is happening. Period.

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>>10282567
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282567
Stop playing or stop dying. It's all up to you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282567
Unless you can prove it's something else, then it's your fault.
Don't make excuses and blame other things for your mistakes unless you can show for certain that the mistake wasn't yours.
Learn from it, and get better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282567
lol!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282596
The only thing I've learned from this is the creator is a moron for putting a delay on the thing that is supposed to save your life in a split second.
I would have beat this easy game 2 hours ago on hard mode had it not been for that delay taking a life or two when I had 3 bombs.
Not my error at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282629
Please tell me this is all an elaborate ruse and that we have all been tricked.

[Anonymous No.]

crikey, we've come across a scrub in his natural habitat

let's observe as he tries to place blame on the game instead of his lack of skill

[Anonymous No.]

> Can't deny what I'm saying
> lol troll xD
Pathetic. Do yous blindly praise these obviously broken games all the time then?
Again. Had it not been for the game cheating me, I would have finished this 2 hours ago.
It's rather easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282699
Nobody's calling you a troll, just that you're a scrub.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282699
Of course it's easy if you play on a Filco Majestouch Ninja II with cherry mx red switches.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282699
Since there's literally nothing else going on in this thread, I'll continue with you.

I don't experience any delay with bombs. Post your scores from nonbroken games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282699
>waaah game is cheating mee :((((((
qot ur muver

[Anonymous No.]

A replay would be nice. It's very easy to tell when a player is obviously relying on their reflexes to deathbomb and can't do it. If the bomb button truly was pressed a second before getting hit, it wouldn't be a deathbomb at all, since that's too big of a time window.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282699

If the game is easy why do you need bombs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282810
u tell him brotha

[Anonymous No.]

Now tell us about the artificial difficulty pls

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282758
Sure I can give you a replay.
Where do I upload them?
Considering these games are supposed to be hard, I must say I'm disappointed. Where it not for the game cheating me I'd have done it already, after only a small amount of practice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282810
Oh and I use bombs because they're in the game for a reason, you fucking moron.

[Anonymous No.]

oh mah gurd, tuho is 2 huard, i trie to dodgue teh misssels and dey hite me and i staurt cryin cuz teh gaem is 2 haurd. nerf rumia plz

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282921
>Considering these games are supposed to be hard
Touhou is considered to be entry-level bullet hell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282947

I can see why. They're easy as fuck.
Funny you say they're entry level when people was saying earlier on in the thread that it takes around 2 weeks to 1cc one of these games on normal.
I guess I'm a fucking prodigy then.
Also glad to see none of you faggots telling me where to upload my replay. Scared of me being right you pitiful fucks?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282927

Right. They're in the game so you can 'skip' small sections you find too difficult to get through with your own skill, or to dig you out of situations you get into because you've made poor choices. If the games are easy, bombs are superfluous, no? At the very least you should be fine with all the extra lives you get. That still lets you make several big mistakes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282996

Why are you being so aggressive? Calm down, this is just video games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282996

replays.gensokyo.org
Have at it, boss.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10282921
replays.gensokyo.org

You know it's entirely possible that your monitor/keyboard is just shit. With the early games there are known input lag issues. But likely, if you've just started, you wouldn't notice this lag. There are legitimate reasons why you'd have delay in bombing, but really I don't believe you at all, you're just trying to stir shit. Everyone knows there isn't any actual delay, so it's either you're getting tremendous amount of lag or you're just retarded. In any case, it really doesn't matter much to begin with; you should be bombing well in advance before a deathbomb-or-die situation. You do not rely on deathbombs for survival, period.

[Anonymous No.]

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=26143

This website is a piece of shit too. It said click here to see your replay then takes me to someone elses. A broken website for a broken game. Hilarious.

>>10283046
Apparently you're illiterate. I'm not waiting till I get hit before I bomb. I'm bombing when I see I cannot escape a situation, aka a second in advance. I click the bomb button, a second goes by, I hear the death sound, no fucking bomb.

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>>10283081
Oh and I'd like to add. The delay happened twice in that reply. First time was at the 3rd bosses last attack. Second time was somewhere on the 4th level though I can't recall when exactly.

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>>10282996
>Funny you say they're entry level when people was saying earlier on in the thread that it takes around 2 weeks to 1cc one of these games on normal.
I didn't say anything in this thread until >>10282947

Also bullet hell has a much steeper difficulty curve compared to most other genres of gaming anyway, so a 1-2 weeks for Normal 1CC is fairly average for those who don't regularly play shmups. That's like what? 10-20 hours of gameplay in that timeblock for a game that can take 25-35 minutes for a regular playthrough? That ain't too shabby.

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>>10283081
>I'm not waiting till I get hit before I bomb
Then it's even more suspicious. If you're using vpatch and a mechanical keyboard then it sounds more like you making mistakes.

But this is pretty legitimate play. It looks as though you've gotten some strategy down, but you're still completely ignoring some less obvious parts. That's pretty interesting, if you have only been playing for a short time that's well above average. I like your enthusiastic bombing too.

I see the parts you're referring to, but I seriously doubt these were close to a second, and I can't tell if you even tried to bomb. On Meiling's last card you backed up into the bullet. During stage 4 it does look like you paused to bomb, though.

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>>10283252
To add, there is no way you can consider this to be as easy as you say. You bombed basically everything after a certain point. While it's perfectly fine if you're going for a 1cc, bombing the crap out of everything pretty much nullifies your chants of "ha this game is easy".

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>>10283270
That was my first run after you/someone asked for a replay. Of course there was going to be mistakes, not to mention my wrist is hurting now from playing for 4 hours. I can easily do a practice run of me wrecking stage 5/6 if you still think I need to bomb everything on them.

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>>10283316
I don't care. You're definitely above average if you've gotten this far, but you haven't exactly shown that the game is against you or doing it on purpose or whatever the fuck. If there's an actual problem then I'd like to help, but considering you've shown that you use your bombs well, it makes zero sense to blame the game the two or three times it happens to "delay a second". If it's only happens a few times in the split-seconds before you die, while you're bombing away the rest of the run, chances are it was just you not being quick enough, despite your protests.

To note, deathbomb time in EoSD goes down every time you successfully deathbomb, until you do die; if there's enough input lag then you would only die after you've already deathbombed a few times. There's also the possibility that you haven't set up vpatch correctly.

[homura !0zL7pWqVac No.]

>>10269309
>>10269309
I'm, Reimu... this evening! Call it, a vision! Like, my clothing!

I'm sick, and mean!

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>>10283081
Oh, EoSD. It has its moments even with vpatch.

Still, you shouldn't blame everything on the game. Even if you bomb "a second in advance," without being very certain of the distance between the character hitbox and the bullet hitbox (EoSD has some wonky bullet hitboxes, although I can't say non-bubble stuff has been unfair) as well as its speed, can you really say with confidence that you bombed with more than enough time to not trigger a deathbomb? At times, things can look very safe even before a second you get hit, which prompts players to try dodging (which distracts them from bombing). Wouldn't be surprised if a player thinks he did bomb in time.

Screenshot on the left is a little bit less than a second before your death. A rough comparison with the bomb used on the second spellcard (right screenshot) when you were pretty much walled in had bullets at about the same distance as the bullet in this image. So I'm inclined to say you bombed a lot sooner there, and not soon enough here.

This is understandable in my opinion since if anyone looked at the left image, they probably would not have bombed at that exact moment. Just look at all the gaps, why would anyone not even try to dodge that before bombing? Unfortunately after that point, even if you bombed half a second later, it probably would have been too late. On the other hand, anyone would realize that the pattern on the right would be difficult/hopeless to dodge a lot sooner and use a bomb a lot earlier.

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>>10283386
How gay. You can't even save a replay of single stage runs? I've just beat stage 6 with only using 2 bombs and 0 deaths too.
Also yes, I will complain when it delays. It does it when I have 3 fucking bombs all the time.

>>10283410
I don't know what a deathbomb is. I pressed the bomb button before whatever it was hit me, nothing happens, I die.
Yes I can say that with confidence.

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>>10283081
Awesome score dude. Probably took you years of time and commitment.

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>>10283476
A deathbomb is basically being a little bit slow on the bomb button, but not slow enough that you die.

If you bomb a little bit earlier than you normally do, theoretically, all these deaths that you claim are not your fault should become deathbombs. If it doesn't work, bomb sooner and sooner until it works. I'd suggest not playing EoSD if adjusting to something like that isn't your thing.

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>>10283476
>How gay. You can't even save a replay of single stage runs?
You can start saving replays of individual stages after Perfect Cherry Blossom.

You should try playing MoF and later to see if you experience any input latency issues.

>I don't know what a deathbomb is.
There is a small window after you get hit where you can still bomb and not die. If you manage to bomb during this window, it's a deathbomb.

[Riz !5.t9CxHR0g!!5lTr5XeDmip No.]

>>10281967
>...But I still couldn't get it after playing for months...
It took me two months to get my first Normal 1cc and I played fairly intensely. Everybody works at their own pace.
>>10282352
Please note that Touhou is one of the few shooting games that give you a deathbomb window, sometimes being higher than 1/4 of a second. I can't think of many games that are this generous.

I think that you let your frustration trick you into believing something that didn't happen. It's a common phenomenon that happens to everyone and can be lessened by getting comfortable with the controls, which can only be done with experience.

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>>10283081
>>10283476
A deathbomb is when you bomb and it activates and you hear the sound of your character dying. It's your very last chance to survive after being hit and requires quick reflexes. You had a deathbomb on Sakuya in stage 5, for example.

Regarding the replay, I saw no deaths that could be blamed on the bombing delay that you complain about. Almost all of your used bombs were used out of precaution, not deathbombing. You had a deathbomb on Sakuya, which was timed perfectly. Although there were a few close calls like on the books part before Koa and the first bomb in stage 6, those were successful bombs. If you're trying to bomb and it doesn't activate, then maybe you have no bombs in stock?

I honestly don't see what you're complaining about (it would probably be hard to tell from just the replay). All of your deaths were with no bombs in stock or just crashing into a bullet due to a careless movement. From the way you play, you seem to have a hard time avoiding dense patterns and bullets that come from multiple directions. You're using your bombs well, which is a good thing when playing for survival.

You're acting cocky because you can get through stages 1 - 3 without a problem, but let's face it, there isn't much challenging stuff to dodge. When you're faced with a wall of bullets or a dense pattern, you bomb. You're in no position to call the game easy, seeing as to how you bomb every single time something remotely difficult approaches. Practice stages 4 - 6 a bit more. With a little bit more effort you can get the 1cc down. If you can get through stage 5 and 6 without dying in practice mode, as you say, then it shouldn't be much more difficult incorporating that into a full run. Good luck, anon!

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>>10283506
Nigga pls, I'm more than experienced with shmups. I play Jamestown at a professional level.

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>>10283521
Holy shit, what a badass.

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>>10283521
Please teach me.

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>>10283521
An STG expert!

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>>10283565
>>10283571
>>10283576

Samefagging so hard it hurts.

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>>10283506
Unrelated question: Did it take you long to get used to red switches? I love my new KB but I fear that I'm going to be occasionally messing up taps and short deactivations long into the future, especially when I'm getting too excited and unconsciously riding keys too low. Worse in games where I have to switch in and out of focus fire very precisely and failing to do so means I've turded the whole stage.

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>>10283588
Proof??

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>>10283588
/jp/ has a pretty homogeneous sense of sarcasm sometimes.

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>>10283512
I can perfect any of the stages beside 6, which I need to use 2 bombs max on.
So yes, I can call the game easy.
I've been playing for 4 hours, and my wrist is refusing to function properly.
That was the very first game I played when someone asked for a replay. No cherry picking a good run.
The game is piss. By tomorrow I'll have completed it, easily, regardless of the delay.
If I could save single stage replays I'd prove I can demolish any of the levels with ease, again besides the 6th which has a few attacks I can't do with bombing, like that maids second attack and the last bosses 2nd to last attack

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>>10283629
Then up to Lunatic you go.

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>>10283629
>I can perfect any of the stages beside 6
I believe you. That's why I'm confident that you shouldn't have a problem incorporating that into a real run.

>By tomorrow I'll have completed it
Good job on that. Even if you do achieve that, you only beat it on Hard. You've ignored more than half of the game. You can't really say the game is easy without sounding like a pompous scrub when you seem to lack some consistency in your performance and have no knowledge of playing for score. Sure, the games are not that difficult for survival for anyone who has prior STG experience, and I'm sure any experienced player here will agree.

Your "wrists hurting" sounds like a pretty casual excuse. The game should be easy, right? It should be giving you any pain. People here play and stream for 6 to 10 hours without complaining about sore wrists. Just calm down a bit and at least try to act more mature.

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>>10283674
>It should be giving you any pain
I mean, it shouldn't be giving you any pain.

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>>10283674
>People here play and stream for 6 to 10 hours without complaining about sore wrists.

My left hand is usually getting sore around 4 or 5.

But yes, this guy's attitude sucks.

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>>10283646
Nope, once I've beat hard I'm not going to play any more. I'd rather not have a delay fucking me over when I'm playing just fine.

>>10283674
I don't have STG experience.
Also what does the game being easy have to do with it not causing me pain? I'm still mashing the arrow keys multiple times a second, for over 4 hours,which is something my wrist isn't used too. Why would you assume that's not going to cause pain?
Also I assume the people streaming the game will be familiar enough with it for it to no longer cause them pain.

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>>10283710
Play Subterranean Animism on Lunatic. It's the best optimised of all the Touhous.

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>>10283702
>this guy's attitude sucks.
Says the people who won't admit their precious game isn't perfect, despite it having a very very noticeable delay on bombing.

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>>10283728
>You should try playing MoF and later to see if you experience any input latency issues.

Nobody other than you is seeing that problem.

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>>10283710
You are a rude person. Please go home.

[Anonymous No.]

Please stream /jp/

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>>10283728
No one else is having the problem, so it''s clearly a problem on your end. You're competent enough to try Lunatic next time you play, which will hopefully make the experience more enjoyable. Also, I don't know how you treat people on /v/ but on /jp/ people are nice to each other, even if half the time it's just ironic.

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>>10283710
Experienced players don't really often deal with wrist pain from playing for 4 hours.

>I don't have STG experience.
Oh. I thought you said that you were more than experience in STGs. I guess that was someone else posting. In that case, you've actually made quite a lot of progress for it being your first STG. Since you have potential, I would recommend playing on higher difficulties or trying other Touhou games as they have different varieties of challenge, but you don't seem like you care about the games or about improving.

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>>10283728
EoSD has way more issues than some imaginary significant bomb delay. It isn't perfect, hell it's probably one of the more average games in the series. If you aren't going to bother with other games or higher difficulties, then there's nothing left to say. You're just retarded and wasting away talent because of a nonexistent problem that you aren't trying to fix.

[Anonymous No.]

Trolled hard.

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>>10283742
> Also, I don't know how you treat people on /v/ but on /jp/ people are nice to each other, even if half the time it's just ironic.
Yeah like 5 posts calling me a scrub when I mentioned the delay is sure you guys being nice as pie. Yup.

>>10283755
>EoSD has way more issues than some imaginary significant bomb delay.

So I see a wall of shit coming my way. Press bomb key. 1 second goes past. Hear the sound of my character dying. No bomb went off. Yep, that's some crazy imaginary delay. Clearly I should have clicked that bomb button 5 seconds ago to give it time.

>>10283751
No interest in improving if all the games are going to cheat me out of my inevitable victory like this.

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>>10283788
Because no one else is experiencing or has experienced the problem we can safely infer that the problem is specific to you.

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>>10283788
You're very selective. You know that, right.

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>>10283788
You were being called a scrub because you were acting like one, and now you're being an arrogant douche who think he's hotshit just because he can 1cc 2hu.

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>>10283788
I have not had that happen once in any Touhou game even with my generic 1995 keyboard.

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>>10283788
>Yeah like 5 posts calling me a scrub when I mentioned the delay is sure you guys being nice as pie.
Incorrect. You were called a scrub for acting immature, bitching excessively, and yelling that the game cheats. In addition, you replied in a rude manner to the people that actually watched your replay and tried to give advice. You could have inquired or complained about the delay you were experience in a more settled manner, but no; you insisted on calling the game shit, being loud and obnoxious, thus giving everyone the image of a kicking and screaming child who gets mad when he dies.

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>>10283788
Behold /jp/
The face of neo neo /jp/
The face of a /v/ideo gamer.

[Anonymous No.]

I just yesterday 1CC'd EoSD on Lunatic but I still don't know what this "RANK" thing is.

Could someone tell me about it or send me a link to where I could find out more about it. I've been unsuccessful in my search.

And for those guys shitposting:
IF YOU DIE, IT"S YOUR FAULT, NOT THE GAME"S! LET IT BE A LESSON FOR YOU TO GET BETTER IF YOU CAN"T DEATHBOMB.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10283835
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil/Gameplay#Rank

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>>10283831
It's not really neo neo /jp/, because he hasn't been accepted in the slightest. Perhaps /jp/ will be that way in a few months time though.

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>>10283835
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil/Gameplay#Rank

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>>10283831
Can /jp/ please stop arguing and stream?

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>>10283835
Bullets become faster/more numerous the better you play. Dieing and bombing decrease your ranking.

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil/Gameplay
Rank

There exists a rank system in this game. As rank increases, enemy bullets will generally become faster and more plentiful. This effect that rank has in this game is most prominent with boss attacks, where the bullet count difference between minimum and maximum rank can differ by a factor of 4 or more, and bullet movement speeds can double. Note that the game does not display the numerical value of rank at any point - under most circumstances, it can be estimated only by observing bullet pattern behaviour.

Rank ranges from 10 to 32 (from 12 to 20 on easy, and from 14 to 18 in Extra), and is set to 16 at the beginning of the game. It increases gradually with survival time (+1 every ~32 seconds), item collection (from +0 to +2 depending on the item type), grazing (+0.06) and gaining an extra life through score (+0.02), until it reaches the cap of thirty-two, corresponding to the highest variable difficulty. The rank value is decreased by sixteen whenever the player is hit, by two when the player uses a bomb, and by 0.03 when an item disappears through the bottom of the screen.

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>>10283805
Actually, I haven't 1cc'd it yet.

>>10283820
Incorrect. I was called a scrub after my first post, you massive faggot.
As for advice, I don't need nor want any. My technique is flawless. What I need is no delay.

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>>10283876
Because your claims were so silly that nobody believes it. We've had our fair share of bad players spurging "WTF I BOMBED FUCK YOU GAME FFFF".

I still don't believe you. EoSD and PCB are old and occasionally act strange, so I suggested playing MoF or later, but you're not interested. So, what do you want.

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>>10283876
Quite impressive. After just your first post which was only one line in length, you gave the image of everything I described and it turned out to be spot on correct.

>As for advice, I don't need nor want any.
Then leave. No one is going to magically make your delay, imaginary or not, disappear. You're the only one with a case of bombing delay where it's as huge as you describe it, others have stated they don't have any delay like yours. What is your goal by sticking around here?

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>>10283876
This guy's technique is flawless. Yours is still stuttery and indecisive.
http://score.royalflare.net/th06/replay6/th6_ud12a2.rpy
You have very good reflexes and are quick to identify the path of least resistance though, judging from your replay, and would no doubt become very good at shooters if you played more of them. It's an unusual problem, so perhaps you'd like to try a later game. EoSD is part of the early windows game era, so one of the later games may be more to your liking.

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>>10283906
>>10283933

A quick google search shows there are plenty of other people who have the problem. Funny, I thought it was just me.

>>10283937
I will try touhou 7 to see if it persists.

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>>10283955
Touhou 7 is in the same era.

Like I've mentioned 3 times already, try 10 or later.

Also, the delay most people are talking about in your Google search is probably related to not using vpatch.

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>>10283955
PCB is still fairly old like someone earlier suggested try playing MoF or later if you really believe it's the games delay and not your personal error causing these deaths

[Anonymous No.]

Not entirely on topic, but I don't generally come to /jp/ and this is the first Touhou thread I found that wasn't an image dump.

I'm looking for some Touhou music, specifically piano arrangements. I downloaded the Buta Otome Nekokenban albums at the suggestion of a random anon, and quite enjoyed them, but would like some more. I don't really know where to start apart from random google searches, and sifting through the massive torrent is a little overwhelming. Any suggestions?

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>>10284035
This is a thread for the gameplay only. If you're looking for music recommendations, find the doujin music thread if it exists or make a new thread.

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>>10284058
My mistake, then.

[Riz !5.t9CxHR0g!!5lTr5XeDmip No.]

>>10283592
Sorry for the late response. I had to leave due to an emergency.
>Did it take you long to get used to red switches?
Yes. I don't remember exactly how long it took, but it was at least a few weeks. I had problems similar to yours, but they went away with time. I think it also depends on the person and what they had before. I know several people that got a mechanical keyboard over Christmas are already used to it, while others are still taking their time.
>Worse in games where I have to switch in and out of focus fire very precisely and failing to do so means I've turded the whole stage.
This is probably going to be the hardest thing to get used to. I would just keep playing until it becomes second nature.
>>10283726
>Play Subterranean Animism on Lunatic. It's the best optimised of all the Touhous.
Huh? Why is this? I would argue that it's the worst.
>>10283736
I can't stream today, but you might be interested in this: http://h.livetube.cc/tag.livetubeSTG
>>10283781
I don't think that many of us care about whether we are getting trolled. We just want to respond.
>>10284035
You might like this: http://www.nyaa.eu/ or this: http://www.touhouradio.com/
But, yes, this thread isn't really for discussing music. /jp/ should have regular music threads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10283963
>>10283964

I want to go in order.
Anyway I don't like laser marisa in this game. She seems weaker.
I think I'm wore out now too because the second boss is requiring a bomb, unless she's harder than the one in 6.

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>>10284087
I said it because he isn't that good at knowing when to just stream yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10284135
Second boss is harder than the third. I don't even...

[Anonymous No.]

You faggots really fall for anything

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>>10283831
This is why I don't go to /v/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10284618
Some people really are that whiny. Even if it's a troll, it doesn't cost us anything to talk to him about the games.

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>>10284035
Google the /mu/ recommendation blog/wiki. There's a touhou arrange rec chart compiled on jp half a year ago.

[Anonymous No.]

;_;
This somehow harder than Normal. There are some moments pacifist Easy is harder than Hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10285675
Hard isn't hard in the first place, I would've cleared within the first few hours of playing had the game not cheated me of a few bombs and a life.

[Anonymous No.]

adamal prs stleam

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>>10285675
Even Lunatic in TD is pretty easy. Start playing harder games and you'll see. And don't play TD, it gives you bad habits and makes you shit in general. Although, not as bad as MoF bomb spamming habits.

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>>10286282
I disagree. TD hard gave me a harder time than UFO hard.

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>>10286282
What kind of bad habits? Not him, but I have no idea what you're talking about. I have a lot of fun with that game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10286595
To add to this, TD normal gave me a harder time than UFO normal too.

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>>10286595
That's strange. Kind of like how I struggle 1-ALLing DDP, but can breeze through DOJ. Oh well!

>>10286640
bombbombtrancebombbombtrance. It's still a pretty fun game though, but I found that the trancing and sheer amount of bombs I got made me really lazy in other STGs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10281846

If you just started with STG, I'd say 10 hours give or take depending on the game. Otherwise, 1 or 2 tries sounds fair.

[Anonymous No.]

Dead thread. I guess nobody plays touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10286884
When we're not getting EPICALLY TROLLED these threads getting a couple posts every few hours isn't uncommon.

[Anonymous No.]

I got my copies of PCB, EoSD, and IN in the mail, installed them, and gave them a try.
I'm terrible at them but I want to keep trying. Should I keep practicing on one before going on to the others or keep playing all three?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10286916
Play the one you like most.

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>>10286916
Well, you already bought the 3 best games in the series. Stick to them for a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10286957

IN is one of the worst, actually. EoSD and PCB are both too slow to be the best. UFO is the best.

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>>10286916
Why would you buy the games? Zun hasn't even bothered releasing another in over a year. He deserves nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10286978
But that's just wrong. UFO is shit tier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10286994

Only bad players think that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287025
Nice and predictable rebuttal. Doesn't change the fact that UFO is easily one of the worst in the series, followed by SA then MoF.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287049
MoF is the best.
Fuck off.

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>>10286978
And why do you think UFO is the best?

[Anonymous No.]

UFO is a laggy piece of shit.

Dear ZUN, what the fuck happened to your code.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287025
A game's being hard does not automatically make it good.

[Anonymous No.]

UFO is by far my least played. I don't want some shitty half assed mini game of hunting UFO's in my touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

This might just be the worst thread in quite a while.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287089
Please do not ignore my question. I would like to know why you think UFO is the best. Please respond.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287146
Almost definitely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287154
I can already tell you what he'll say.
because it's the most difficult lol u just dun like it cuz u suck lmao get gud

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287146
None of you faggots talk. What do you expect?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287154
because it's the most difficult lol u just dun like it cuz u suck lmao get gud

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287164
>>10287168

[Anonymous No.]

lol at this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287154
because it's the hardest stay free scrub

also because it's IRC's favorite game

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287123
Idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10286761
I barely bomb or use trance because I have poor insta reflexes. I can 1CC Touhou games on hard solely because I'm decent at dodging. I don't memorize or shit like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287214
I know you are but what am I

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287221
Suuuuuure.

[Anonymous No.]

God this thread is shit. Somebody stream ffs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287257
That somebody would get a lot of shitty viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

But UFO has an inferior scoring system compared to IN and PCB. Every good player that isn't a fanboy agrees. Sure, UFO may be the most difficult to 1cc with NBNUFO or whatever challenges you want, but IN and PCB have the much better scoring systems (and characters, danmaku). And scoring in IN and PCB brings their difficulties up to and possibly beyond UFO.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287237
I'm not even joking, anon. I'm just fucking awful at bombing, I bomb only once in a while when I actually notice the projectile coming towards me and I'm desperate. Because of being this slow, I just got used to sheer dodging skills. This is even a bad habit in fact because many other STGs that are much harder than Touhou pretty much REQUIRE bombing in almost-impossible situations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287278
1cc SA without any life pieces or without bombing is harder.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287295
Thanks, SA vs. UFO was missing in this thread. What do you guys think about nautral talent btw?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287316
CAVE games are the only good shmups. Everything else is shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287278
PCB and IN have good score systems but so does UFO. The only windows Touhou games with poor score systems are EoSD and TD. I also disagree about IN having better danmaku than UFO, that is just absurd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287345
Takumi, Psikyo and Treasure would like a word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287350
Takumi? Get that gimmicky trash out of here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287365
Mars Matrix > DDP

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287345
CAVE games make me feel bad when I drop a chain. I get so upset that I just close the game and turn off the computer after missing them after a whole day of practicing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287333
I guess better danmaku is more of a tastes thing. The thing about UFO danmaku that turns me off are the fists, anchors, green bars, curvy lasers, etc. I mean no disrespect to those who do enjoy them, though. In my opinion though, IN has some of the most beautiful and colorful danmaku. And due to IN's scoring system, mastering those bullet patterns and doing cool and super grazing tricks just makes them that much more entertaining. The downside, as everyone probably knows, is that too many spell cards can be survived with memorization.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287382
There's no point playing CAVE games for score, with Dangun Feveron being an exception. The rest are all better for survival.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287409
IN is definitely the prettiest game in general.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287414
Most of Cave's games are easy to play for survival though. They build their games around the scoring systems.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287345
Donpachi was cave's best game it's just gone downhill since then (Ibara being an exception)

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287409
I agree IN has the best danmaku & scoring, as much as I try I just can't get into SA, UFO or TD

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287435
Who cares how difficult they are? So long as you're not beating the game in 5 credits then their easiness doesn't matter. It's about how cleverly the game is designed, and how fun the patterns are to dodge, and how good the game looks (a category in which CAVE are unrivalled), and CAVE does all those well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287432
Ketsui is the best shooter ever made.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287382
So don't play one of their chaining games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287409
I like IN, I think TD has some really cool patterns too though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287454
>how cleverly the game is designed

But you don't know how cleverly the game was designed if you're not playing for score.

Playing Esprade for score, for example, reveals its poor design.

[Anonymous No.]

Patterns/fun:
UFO > SA > PCB > MoF > IN > TD > EoSD

Scoring:
PCB > UFO > IN > MoF > SA > EoSD > TD

Overall:
UFO > PCB > SA > IN > MoF > EoSD > TD

[Anonymous No.]

So not only do these games have a delay on bombing, but they also have a worthless practice mode. What the fuck. Why are these so highly praised when they are complete shit. How can you be so fucking idiotic as to not be able to even implement a practice mode that does its fucking job.
What a waste of fucking time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287502
Leave ``please''.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287489
> UFO almost at the top for everything
Can you be any more of a fanboy? UFO isn't fun at all. It's scoring system is nowhere near as good as IN's either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287479
>you don't know how cleverly the game was designed
You know how cleverly it was designed for survival runs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287489
wait there while I vomit uncontrollably at this disgusting post

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287506
No, not until I understand why yous insist on praising these awful games that can do nothing right, not even a practice mode that works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287514
unless you're playing 80's shit it wasn't designed to be played from a survivalist standpoint.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287534
And yet it plays far better for survival. Every scorer worth their salt plays for survival first.

[Anonymous No.]

Patterns/fun:
EoSD > UFO > PCB > MoF > TD > IN > SA

Scoring:
IN > PCB > MoF > UFO > SA > EoSD > TD

Overall:
PCB > UFO > EoSD > MoF > IN > SA > TD

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287541
> UFO
> Fun
Another no. Take your shit list and get out of my sight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287511
>Can you be any more of a fanboy? UFO isn't fun at all.
Is this what they call ``artificial fun''? If you like IN's memotrash and rainbowvomit, that's fine by me. I'm not being sarcastic. That's fine if you like that.

>It's scoring system is nowhere near as good as IN's either.
I happen to value the timing and routemaking in UFO for the same reason I enjoy the timing and routemaking in PCB. In has interesting damage control shenanigans, but other than that, it's just supergrazing ~the game~.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287548
It's a subjective list, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287558
Idiots always hide behind pluralism as their last resort.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287558
forced fun

[Anonymous No.]

Wow, 300 posts after only three days. You can see it's comiket.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287564
owned nerds always hide behind angry posts as their last resort.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287558
If you like UFO, then you actually don't know what fun is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287540
if that were true those scorers you mentioned wouldn't play for score would they, think it through next time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287564
Fun is subjective. You can't really argue against that. Learn some manners.

[Anonymous No.]

> beat remilia on practice mode easily
> get to her in a run, she is shooting twice as many bullets and they seem to be moving faster


> practice mode
> being relevant

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287620
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Embodiment_of_Scarlet_Devil/Gameplay#Rank

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287606
Of course it is. An autist will take great delight in watching numbers increase in a jrpg, but a healthy human being will find that incredibly dull. At least consider the ramifications of subjectivity before opening your mouth about it.

[Anonymous No.]

Why do bullets disappear in the imperishable night?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287626
Okay so I'm right then. The developer is a fucking autist that can't even implement a practice mode that does it's job. Why the fuck wouldn't he make it so you have max rank in practice mode? Tada, problem solved.
Instead I have to go through a 25 minute game just to get to the end, fight a boss that might as well have random attacks since who knows what my rank is, and hope I get lucky. Uh huh.

[Anonymous No.]

So I just completed SA 1cc normal, and I went to watch my replay on Stage 6 to only find that it's 'messed up'. When the battle with Okuu begins, instead of the replay showing what I did from the start, it shows what I did for Mega flare when Okuu is shooting them big lines across the screen (1st wave). Because of this the replay shows my character flying into the lines and by mega flare, I've somehow lost all my lives and died - I assure you I beat SA but the replay has fucked up and I don't know what to do...

[Anonymous No.]

Highly subjective list of my shit taste and experience that everyone should disregard.
Patterns/fun: IN > PCB > SA > EoSD > MoF > TD > UFO
Scoring: IN = PCB > SA > UFO > MoF > EoSD > TD
Overall: IN > PCB > SA > MoF = EoSD > UFO > TD

>>10287550
IN also requires some pretty crazy timing. It's not just about supergrazing, as I'm sure you already know. You have to time your shots perfectly to clear all the bullets as an enemy shoots them. A second too soon or too late and you've messed up your time. Essential in stage portions of stages 1, 2 and 3. And there is nothing wrong with supergrazing. ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287660
start the replay from stage 5, if that doesn't work keep going down a stage.

[Anonymous No.]

IN and UFO are the same shit in different bags, deal with it.

EoSD and MoF are the best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287660
start the replay from stage 5 or earlier on and don't press ctrl to skip forward

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287665
Except IN is actually fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287672
No, it's long, drawn out bullshit where you have to remember silly nonsense to do any good.

UFO actually has one thing over IN; it's shorter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287682
Remember silly shit like what? How to dodge?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287658
That's what Touhou is all about. Why don't you stream anyway? I want to see this "delay"

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287658
>Why the fuck wouldn't he make it so you have max rank in practice mode? Tada, problem solved.
I'm pretty sure you do start stage practice with max rank. Did you die to Sakuya or something.

Also, few people like rank in 2hu. It was dropped after PCB, and it was only barely implemented in PCB.

>>10287663
>IN also requires some pretty crazy timing.
In my mind, that fit under "damage control shenanigans", but I see how that doesn't really come out if I don't express myself properly.

I don't rate IN much below UFO. Really, PCB, UFO, and IN are at the top of my list for a reason, and they're miles above the next in the list.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287658
Shut up. At least you have a practice mode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287700
I'm sorry but could you explain how the fuck me streaming would show you the delay?
Also I don't know how to stream, so no.

>>10287722
No. No deaths before Remi. About 70% of the time I have to bomb the maids second attack though.
In practice Remi's opening attack is easy. I can see the gaps a mile away, in an actual run there are no gaps.
In practice I can dodge her final attack without needing a bomb or a life. In the run I just had I had to used 2 bombs and still died.


>>10287723
A practice mode that does nothing but give you false hope is a shit tier practice mode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287761
The opener is actually more difficult on lower rank.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287761
It might be that stage practice starts you off at rank 16, then. Someone with more specific technical knowledge would be able to verify that.

Rank increases and maxes out very quickly in most cases, but Stage 6 is the shortest in the game. I always reach Remilia with max rank, but I avoid letting items drop and don't bomb or die to Sakuya.

EoSD is a shitty, old game. Touhou isn't the world's best STG series, but it's silly to rank it based on your experience with a single game.

Also, PCB starting you off with 0 cherry+ and the default cherry item value in practice mode makes it far more useless than EoSD's.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287761
Sleep well, young prodigy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287784
Is everything backwards in this game or something. What's next, easy is harder than lunatic?
Now I have another 99% complete replay. Zzzz this is getting old.


>>10287796
I want to try the other games to see if problems still persist in them, but not when I've almost beat this one.


>>10287829
Yes but I woke up with a sore wrist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287851
Some nonspells and spellcards are like that. Call it not enough playtesting or intentionally punishing the player for being complacent. It's just as trivial to raise your rank before Remilia anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287851
Upload said replay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287937
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=26155

I don't like touhou 10s stage 1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287761
Practice mode in any STG is garbage. You're better off just doing full runs and watching replays. It's a retarded solution, but you could also hack the rank with cheat engine. But that's not the point, there should be a fucking option to change the rank from the game itself.

Alternatively, you can just use hourglass to make a save state when you're also high in rank and practice that way. But either way, the games are easy enough that you shouldn't even need practice mode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287999
Honestly, I think it's nerves holding you back. After stage 3 you bomb too much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288028
Doing a 25 minute run just to practice a few attacks is retarded.

Also I fucking hate stage 1. God damn it I've died on stage 1 at least 4 times as many times as I've died on all of the other stages combined.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288268
You don't know anything about shooters or how they're best appreciated, so stop talking like you do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288276
There's a huge difference between efficient practice and "game appreciation".

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288276
I know they go about doing things in the most ridiculous of ways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288286
You're complaining about playing the game. Maybe you just don't like playing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288311
While that guy seems to really dislike the game and should probably find something better to do, some people have goals and would like to reach them quickly. Stage practice is definitely not garbage when used for that purpose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288311
I like playing it efficiently, which is why stage practice is a must.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288349
>>10288361
When you play the game for the first time and you're just playing for survival stage practice just serves to ruin the game. Using it whilst playing for score is understandable though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288311
That wasn't me. Anyway, I'm complaining about glaring flaws within the games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288378
Rank systems are not "flawed", and you shouldn't even be using practice if you're playing for survival.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288395
Why shouldn't I? Since when is practice something for pros instead of beginners?

[Anonymous No.]

It's like I'm really on /v/. Chill out, people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288395
Being able to start stage practice with user specified rank in EoSD would be useful.

Being able to start stage practice with user specified Cherry+ and cherry item value in PCB would be useful.

Being able to start stage practice with user specified UFO tokens in UFO would be useful.

These could be seen as "flaws" or at the very least "limitations" depending on your definitions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288428
Yes, for scorers, those are what one might call limitations. But when you are playing for survival, when you should be playing the game, and not some horrid mini-game version those are irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288412
Not my fault. People getting defensive when I lay out legitimate flaws with these games as I play them. Not to mention I've been robbed of victory multiple times now because of ridiculous bullshit, as seen here : >>10287999 and in one of my posts further up which has the other replay.

>>10288436
Again, getting 25 minutes into the game just to practice things which you should be able to practice on PRACTICE mode is fucking idiotic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288450
Most shmups do not have practice modes, and are better off without them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288488
Most shmups are shit then. I see no reason why practice mode shouldn't be in any of them.

[Anonymous No.]

Someone stream some 2hu

[Anonymous No.]

Should I feel bad if I die to Cirno's nonspell in EoSD? Shit has ridiculous spread...

[Anonymous No.]

Oh and that's another thing. Would it have been so hard to add a restart button, so I don't have to quit, go back to menu, repick my mode, repick my character?

>>10288558
Dunno how.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288573
Yes cirno is easy as fuck son. Get a grip.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288577
Exists in more recent versions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288488
Most shmups are arcade games.

>>10288573
Dodge the first one or two bursts and microtap through the ones that are too wide for you. It's aimed.

>>10288577
Restarting was added in PCB by either navigating the pause menu or pressing Esc then r.

[Anonymous No.]

Why does Marisa do no damage at all in touhou 7

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288450
You cannot be robbed of an achievement you never accomplished.

It doesn't matter if others think of what happened as a legitimate input delay or see it as denial out of pride. Take away what you perceive as a legitimate reason or situation for your failure, and what's left is that you failed to beat the game--which is what happened. Get over it and start another credit or quit, because that might be better than posting here, which surely won't help you improve. If you didn't expect these kinds of responses, you might have had unreasonable expectations to begin with. Go forth with your beliefs and solve the problem yourself. It won't happen amongst people who do not see things the same way.

Every game has its own flaws, but you are not going to see everyone agree on what is a flaw and what isn't. You can claim you are right and I won't challenge it, but I'll still advise that you shouldn't approach an argument with a "I won't give others' opinions a chance" mindset. Still, I won't blame you since it's a difficult thing to do, especially if you think the other party is spouting bullshit. A few anons here have tried to be a little bit nicer though, just saying.

Your experience doesn't make sense to anyone who acknowledges flaws as something other than a game's fault. Call it delusion if you'd like, their success in the game won't be affected. Take it easy, play another game where what you perceive as flaws don't get in the way of you beating the game, like them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288755
tl;dr you're being defensive about others being defensive, and so am I by going out of my way to post shit. Everyone needs to care less I guess, although I'm too autistic to stop myself.

>>10288747
Maybe unfocused MarisaB. Everything else deals higher damage than the other shottypes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288755
Uh huh. So I've just 1cc'd it now. So since I have accomplished it now, I guess I have the right to say that I was indeed robbed of my victory multiple times. What should have been a 3-4 hour task ended up taking longer because of the bullshit the game threw at me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288834
Good now go away and stop shitting up our thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288841
Stop shitting up your dead thread. That's a good one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288834
Congratulations, and whatever floats your boat. You're more than free to ignore anyone who will say otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288834
おめでとう。 May you fare better in future challenges.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288747
The laser is kinda shitty but the missile is good

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288268
Why are you dying on Stage 1 in the first place? There's absolutely no reason for that. And honestly, if you've died on a Stage 1 more than once, you probably shouldn't be playing these games.

[Anonymous No.]

Mokou won't let me get 2.4B. Why is she so mean? Please help. ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288998
I'm pretty sure 90% of my deaths are in stage 1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10287582
>You can see it's comiket.
You can see this in the whole board, sadly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10288998
I thought yous didn't want me to talk anymore. Didn't yous want to sit in silence all night?
I die alot on stage 1 because the stage is so boring that I try to do skillful shit to keep myself occupied but end up failing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10289065
>I try to do skillful shit to keep myself occupied but end up failing.
And you call yourself a prodigy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10289075
You need to see the next level shit I try to pull before you mock me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10289090
Badass. Bad-fucking-ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10289113
Why didn't you save the replay of your first 1cc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10289098
That's right. I don't mess around when I play video games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10289114
This was my first 1cc. I have it saved but I used my steam name when it asked for a name (to show my friend who said it would take me weeks)
I'll upload it if someone tells me how to change the name.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10289114
Please do. I'm looking for a good lau-, I mean, some ownage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10289137
You can't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10289137
If you didn't say it was your steam name no one would have guessed it was.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10289155
That's too bad.
Feel free to view the demo. The ownage starts from stage 1 then ends at stage 4.
>>10287999

I'd give it to you live but alas, I don't know how to stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10289192
I'm heartbroken.

[Anonymous No.]

Out of all the threads I visit. These Shmup threads are the worse. You boring bastards, speak, stream, do something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10289639
There isn't much to say about these games. They're very simple, and anything questions you might have can be answered by simply watching replays from more experienced players.

What's there to talk about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10289682
If there's nothing to talk about, then why do these threads exist?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10289698
Exhibitionism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10289698
hey guys, i did this
congrats dude, i did this
this game sucks
no that game sucks
2hu sucks
please stream
how come i still suck after playing for 2000 hours

etc.

[Riz !5.t9CxHR0g!!5lTr5XeDmip No.]

http://www.twitch.tv/rizth

I'm somewhat sick at the moment, so I might not do very well.

[Anonymous No.]

How long did it take you to get your first 1cc? I just got mine at 47 hours of playing time, and I'm wondering if this is typical or if I'm just not cut out for these games

[Anonymous No.]

>>10290641
200 hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10290641
By first 1cc you mean Lunatic, yeah?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10290715
just normal

[Anonymous No.]

>>10290728
I grinded PCB on normal for maybe 15 hours until I noticed that the movement lagged a little, googled it, installed vpatch, and did it in 1 try.

[Anonymous No.]

Mixed feelings about this run. I have managed to gain some consistency in reaching Mokou with at least 700M and 30000 time, which I like seeing. A death on her first non-spell because I messed up in switching between the lanes when she moved too far down. A deathbomb at Xu-Fu's on around the 15 second mark, I believe. Honest Man's with almost 45M bonus, death on following non. Standard Woo, death on following non. Panic bomb on Phoenix Tail the last moment before she was about to die because I'm bad, death on following non. Fuck up on Volcanoes, Hourai Doll and IS because I stopped caring at this point. Finished so shittily and still managed 2B. Once I learn how to not fuck up I might have something.

/blog

[Anonymous No.]

>>10291407
You'll have to form your own route, kid. You must live your own route to the end, no matter how bad the run was.

"Live by the route, die by the route."

[Anonymous No.]

New thread
>>10292003