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Instead of just flooding Touhou images like usual, how about we consider some of the lesser known uses of pretty much any Touhou power you've seen. Idea stolen from a couple weeks old Portal thread in /v/.

Picture fucking related.

>> No.10247
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Failing that, cool things you'd do with Yukari's gaps.

>> No.10318
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"Unconventional" uses have been pretty well covered by the doujins so far.

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(I want a mini-Suika)

>> No.10343
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10343

Myon is the best pillow ever.

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>>10330
Get back to work, China.

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>>10370

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1.) Tip over Suika's bottomless gourd of sake
2.) Cover Gensokyo with booze flood of biblical proportions
3.) ?????
4.) PROFIT

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>>10852

OH SHI-

>> No.12265
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12265

Could a normal human just pick up one of her books and learn some powers.

Or would their complexity cause head asplosions.

>> No.10253

Cirno: Air conditioner

>> No.10261

I'd just hide inside the gap so nobody can see me ;_;

>> No.10262

Keine can destroy existance.
Or wait, Can she?
She'd have to consume the history of everything, and the history of her consuming all history and PARADOX

>> No.10279

I'd strap several Touhou characters together and make a heavily armed loli flying carpet.

>> No.10330

I'd make midterms never happen.

>> No.10332

>>10279
good idea

>> No.10335

>>10279
I just pictured a scene just like in "The Second Reinassance". A fleet of touhou meta-bombers, carpet bombing Akihabara.
And all the otaku look up in glee, before going up in flames.

>> No.10365

>>10343
oh god my nutbladder.

>> No.10391

>>10262

She can consume history and kind of hide it. That said Touhou has odd idea's about history.

>> No.10387

>>10327
/r/ the rest of this

>> No.10403

>>10387

Dancing for the Gods at the Hakurei Shrine, http://voile.gensokyo.org/res/5198.html

>> No.10431

>>10262
Nope, she can't. Like someone else posted, when she 'eats' history she actually hides it from existence. When she eats the history of the Human Village in IN she effectively makes the village invisible.

When she changes into her were-hakutaku form she can create and change history.

>> No.10457

>>10391
>>10262

Keine's ability is one of those things that never seem to make any sense. The blurb goes, she eats history, can retroactively erase events, people and places, and after transforming can even write new ones in their place. Supposedly there's no history in Gensokyo other than what Keine says there is.

What that means in practice doesn't make much sense though. The only canon use of her power was in IN where she devoured the history of the human village to protect it, but the playable characters were still able to remember the village just fine - and in Yukari's case, even see it as if it was still there. So what the fuck it actually did is anybody's guess.

>> No.10495

In doujins it's nice and clear though - when she devours the history of something, she declares it "out of continuity" for the real life. Retcon punch without the punch.

>> No.10496

Yuyuko: living death note

>> No.10497

>>10457
Something about only being able to mess with history she "owns."

Also, Yukari hacks.

>> No.10499

>>10457

It was kind of pointed out somewhere, I can't remember that she couldn't change history that was writen down by Gensokyo's main historian family. Ever full moon she writes up the latest history and hands it over to the others, because just writing it down doesn't count in ZUNs world.

>> No.10519

When Keine is the one who makes all happenings in Gensokyo history, how does she get the information?

>> No.10530

>>10497
>>10499

That thing came later, and never made much sense to me since it seems to prevent her doing the one thing she actually did in the games - eating the history of the human village. Unless the humans settled there just last week or something, it shouldn't be in her records anymore if she gives them to the Hiedas monthly.

>> No.10536

>>10519

Probably she just makes it up. It's not like there's anybody who can say she's wrong.

>> No.10588

We have a plot in Gensokyo. The things that are told in the game happen. They are, however, not history until Keine makes them history.

That sounds like Keine just writes stuff down and the Hieda copy it. Doesn't sound like a super power.

>> No.10646

>>10588
>>10536
>>10530
>>10519
>>10499
Ok guys. I see that you are confused. Here is how Keine's ability works according to Akyu from PMiSS:

She can erase history when human, and when she becomes a hakutaku, she can create history as well. The history of Gensokyo is that which is created by her (*2).

Speaking of history, things do not become history merely by happening. Things do not become history unless they are made history by someone's hands. She can fabricate history that didn't happen, or conversely, erase from history incidents which actually did happen.


2: Her powers have no effect on the histories passed down by the Hieda family. Thus, over time it becomes not her history, but ours.

>> No.10661

It's like Keine decides which happenings get into history books and which not.

>> No.10650

Keine evidently CAN affect the present in some way by deciding that the past happened in a different way. The human village vanished in IN when Keine decided that humans never settled there in the first place. Yukari still saw the village, but she's Yukari. The rest of the characters couldn't interact with it in any way until they forced Keine to bring it back.

>> No.10679

>>10646

I'm pretty sure we all had read that blurb already. It just doesn't explain anything.

>> No.10696

>>10661
>It's like Keine decides which happenings actually happened and which not.

Fixed. With "history" they pretty clearly mean the past timeline, see >>10650

>> No.10701

>>10679

That's why he explained his take on it.

>> No.10715

>>10701

Um, no, he just posted a copypasta of the PMiSS translation.

>> No.10742

history:
1. everything that happens (ZUN: no)
2. everything that happens and is written down

Keine's power in human form:
1. erase history
2. devour history
3. hide history
ZUN used these 3 definitions. They have all different meaning.

>> No.10749

In anycase, it's best to look at the powers in Touhou as being a vague fairy tail description for effect.

For what it's worth, Yukari could possibility get any character you want from fiction and bring them into the real world, or just take you and leave you there seeing as it's been said her gaps can go into fictional places.

>> No.10778

>>10749
We know Yukari can do everything.
She can ever suck her own cock.

>> No.10889

I have this theory that these characters' kekkai protect them from their major hax powers as well as the common danmaku, at least to some degree. It explains a few things:

- Why the characters in IN could still remember the village even though it was no longer there (hypothesis: their minds were protected from Keine's history hax)
- Why Sakuya goes through the bother of doing Dio style knifespam instead of stopping the time and cutting everybody's throats while the time is stopped (hypothesis: she can't penetrate a kekkai while time is stopped)
- Why Raymoo and Sakuya didn't go mad upon seeing the true full moon when they just had said that that's what it does to humans (hypothesis: their minds were again protected by the kekkai)

I don't know if there's enough evidence to support this, or if ZUN even gave this thing a thought at all, but this is a theory I've been entertaining.

>> No.10891

>>10852
Shit, too much.
Manipulate the border between nothing and something.
Problem solved.

>> No.10933

>>10889
kekkai = barrier?

>> No.10937

>>10852
No worries, one could just dip Yuyko in the sea of sake.

>> No.10951

>>10933

They seem to translate it alternatively as barrier, boundary or even bounded field.

>> No.10960

>>10951
so an AT field?

>> No.10981

>>10889
>- Why the characters in IN could still remember the village even though it was no longer there
The village was still there. It was just invisible. Keine hid the history of the village. She didn't erase it.

>- Why Sakuya goes through the bother of doing Dio style knifespam instead of stopping the time and cutting everybody's throats while the time is stopped
The same reason why Dio did it? I assume because if he actually touched anyone while time was stopped time would start moving again.

>- Why Raymoo and Sakuya didn't go mad upon seeing the true full moon when they just had said that that's what it does to humans
Reimu is THE shrine maiden of Hakurei Shrine. Sakuya works as the only human maid at SDM and is powerful enough to stand up to Remilia in a fight. Neither of them are normal humans.

>> No.10983

>>10960

Something like that. Passive magical defense thing that they all have.

>> No.11002

>>10981
>The same reason why Dio did it?

Dio's reason was that Jojo COULD move during stopped time (albeit just for a second) and he didn't want to take any risks.

>> No.11022

Sakuya could have done that because of the spell card rules.
I don't think cutting throats directly counts as a spell card.

>> No.11049

>>11022

I'm pretty sure that there have never been any stated rules about what a spell card is allowed to do and what not.

>> No.11071

> Why Raymoo and Sakuya didn't go mad upon seeing the true full moon when they just had said that that's what it does to humans
While Marisa was already mad right? That's what she told Alice I think...

>> No.11094

>>11049
Sakuya doesn't use much danmaku anyway.

>> No.11098

>>11002
Oh right. But I was talking about when he threw the knife at Joseph.

>> No.11117

>>10981
>Keine hid the history of the village. She didn't erase it.

I've always had the impression that those were the exact same ability. When she "eats" history she removes events from continuity, and she can later regurgitate them back in their original places if she feels like it. That's when she's in human form, and as a hakutaku she can in addition to that create brand new events.

>> No.11128

>>11049
They have been. For one. The whole purpose of Spell Card Rules is that no one dies during a danmaku fight. Spell Cards are also supposed to epitomize beauty and thought. Also this: Attacks relying on physical strength are not to be repeated.

>> No.11151

>>11117
I'm presuming she can choose to hide or erase a particular history. In the case of the Human Village, she simply hid it rather than erased it. This is why Yukari could still see the Village. If it was erased, it would be gone.

>> No.11159

>>11098

I'm fairly sure he started the time again on his own at that point. I've never gotten the impression that Dio would have to stay away from people to keep the time stopped for them. How would that even work? He leaps across rocks floating in midair during a time stop and such, so clearly things don't start to move again just because he touches them.

>> No.12191

>>11159
Dio didn't attack joseph directly because Joseph protected himself with Hermit Purple charged with Hamon.

>> No.12246

>>10852
>>10954

IT'S FF LEGEND III ALL OVER AGAIN

>> No.12269

>>11159
Dio could only stop time for a few seconds.
Throwing a knife at someone could be an easy way to get rid of the guy from a distance while still having the advantage of stopped time.

also, When dio punched the fuck out of kakoyin he didnt start moving again.

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