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It hasn't even begun

>> No.10122355
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The first time I saw his chen, I knew this is how it would end.

>> No.10122357

I know the fandom is awful, but do any of you secretly read homestuck?

>> No.10122358

What character is that?

>> No.10122369

>>10122357
I read quite a bit of it. It was fairly enjoyable and had some good ideas, but there was far too much content already and I kept thinking, "How the fuck does this have the fanbase it has?"

Kid Radd did the same concepts a lot better, I think.

>> No.10122365

>>10122355
ugly sand nigger

>> No.10122368

Wasn't this weeks ago?

>> No.10122372

>>10122357
I honestly only know it's hated and can recognize this one purple guy with the horns. That's about as much as I know about ponies too.

I don't think we're supposed to care but welp, some people disagree.

>> No.10122378

>>10122357
I read it two years ago, and I found it was very very entertaining. And then I got lazy and dropped it, like I do with everything else. I was very surprised to see how big the fanon got 2 years later. Did people even know what homestuck was by that time?

>> No.10122380

>>10122369
Kid Radd was great. I was hoping Wreck-it-Ralph would have similar ideas.

>> No.10122376

>>10122357
I tried it, but hated the texting conversations between the characters. At first it felt like a treat, but then it became a chore.

>> No.10122384

>>10122357
I didn't even know this was homestuck. I thought it was a pony because of >>10122355's remark and the eyes look a lot like what I see in pony images.

>> No.10122390

>>10122378
No, actually. It felt old though.

>> No.10122408

I kinda enjoyed it.
It's one of the few webcomics that actually tries to use the "web" aspect of the format - fairly innovative presentation for a webcomic and flash sequences/minor interactivity are all really neat.
The comic itself is decent, but I liked Problem Sleuth better
>>10122369
>"How the fuck does this have the fanbase it has?"
Homestuck was MLP before MLP was cool - SA/4chan meme gone mainstream, more or less.

It was actually kinda funny to see how large part of Homestuck fanbase on SA switched to MLP avatars while the show was airing.

>> No.10122418

>>10122408
HS fell the fuck apart the second the trolls appeared, the fandom instantly took a nose dive to Sonic fandom levels.

>> No.10122426

>>10122380
When I heard the description of that movie, Kid Radd was the first thing I thought of. I actually lurked /tv/ recently to find out their expert opinions, but they didn't seem too pleased with it.

>>10122408
>It's one of the few webcomics that actually tries to use the "web" aspect of the format - fairly innovative presentation for a webcomic and flash sequences/minor interactivity are all really neat.

You might like Kid Radd. Though it was made in the early 2000s, so it might not work too well with a modern browser.

>> No.10122428

So was bkub selling anything at NYCC other than sketches?

>> No.10122438

fuck off dirty crossboarding peasants

>> No.10122442

>>10122418
It's funny because I saw all the pictures of the trolls posted around 4chan, but I didn't know who the main characters were or what they looked like until I actually sat down and read the comic.
When the trolls first appeared I remember them being mysterious and interesting, like they were some hidden third party that was revealed piece-by-piece (I don't quite remember how, this was just the impression I was left with). But then they were in every other comic and that was about when I stopped reading.

>> No.10122443

what is that homestuck called

>> No.10122447
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Why didn't you stop it

>> No.10122473

>>10122447
>>Chen is a pony
>>Tewi is Adventure Time
>>Nazrin is some ninja thing

I hope bKub is doing this to make fun of these fandoms instead of actually legitimately pandering to them

>> No.10122479

Andrew Hussie is a marketing genius. I don't like to admit it, but he's pretty much a self made millionaire through a simple web-comic. I stopped reading Homestuck about 2 years ago, soon after the trolls were introduced. His tactic of fan-pandering is amazing, with a canonical shipping system and explanation as well as all sorts of other things. There's at least one thing for everybody in Homestuck, from furries to homosex.

It pisses me off.

>> No.10122481

>>10122473
Your hopes are almost certainly unfounded.

>> No.10122489

>>10122408
>I liked Problem Sleuth better

Same. Problem Sleuth was great.

>> No.10122486

>>10122479
His kickstarter, where he raised over $2,000,000 for a most likely point n' click adventure game.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/14293468/homestuck-adventure-game

>> No.10122501

>>10122447
I liked it better when they were Mickey Mouse, Spongebob and the Green Lantern.

>> No.10122505

>>10122442
This, a thousand times. HS is about 4 human kids. All the retards sperging about the trolls please kill yourselves.

>> No.10122510

>>10122501
You can tell by bkubs comics when he decayed and fell.

>> No.10122514
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>>10122428
He was selling this NYCC exclusive poster and the latest Charm Book (In Japanese). Supposedly he also had a few Phantomania books.

In some past NYCC, he gave out single sheets of unique English comics.

>> No.10122518

>>10122479
>canonical shipping system

You'll have to explain this to me because it sounds hilarious.

>> No.10122520

>>10122489
Same here.
How can the same person make such a great comic and then make something like homestuck where he panders to retards?

>> No.10122529

>>10122518
He spent like 5 pages explaining it and thousands of words, it dumbs down into LOVERS, FRIENDS, FRIENDS ONLY WITH A THIRD and LOVE-HATE FUCKBUDDIES. Combine this with introducing a race of alien autists and you can just fucking pull in the money.

>> No.10122531

>>10122520
Tell me you wouldn't want to make millions while drawing a pretty simple webcomic.

>> No.10122540

>>10122520
$$$$$$$$

>> No.10122542

>>10122520
Because retards have loose wallets filled with money.

ZUN could be a very rich man if he pandered to retards.
Luckily he doesn't.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_webcomic_artists

Are any of these good? It seems every name I recognise (unfortunately most of them) makes my blood boil with rage. I can't take it easy that people like these exist.

Not that I hate webcomics or the idea of making money from a webcomic, but why THESE webcomics and THESE artists?

>> No.10122547

>>10122514
Shit, didn't see those.
Oh well, I'll try and get something next year.

So did he have a specific reason for traveling from Japan to NYCC every year?

>> No.10122553

>>10122542
>ZUN could be a very rich man if he pandered to retards.
>Luckily he doesn't.

It's good to have high self-esteem, anon!

>> No.10122556

>>10122357
I've never even heard about it before this.

>> No.10122557

Let's bully Bkub by telling ZUN derivative works are being sold overseas.

>> No.10122572

>>10122557
No way, I still like bkub and don't wish him any harm.

>> No.10122565

I wish I could make mad fuckin ched pandering to retards and deviants.

>> No.10122566

>>10122543
>Megatokyo, Sanfu, Dinosaur Comics, Penny Arcade

All shit, and they're only popular because they were one of the firsts to do this whole "webcomic" thing. The only daily comic I like is Zits, everyone should read Zits.

>> No.10122575

>>10122343
BKUB's awareness of western fandoms is amazing.

>> No.10122585

>>10122543
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_webcomic_artists
Achewood, Dinosaur Comics and PA are pretty decent if not enjoyable, everything else on that list is utter shit.

>> No.10122586

>>10122357
does it become more of a story later on with a plot?

>> No.10122594

>>10122543
Hark! A vargant is neat.
>>10122566
Penny Arcade is the best video games comic there is. That's not much, but they really have no analogues.
Also, a webcomic done by a professional comic author:
http://www.freakangels.com/?p=23
It's also finished self contained story.

>> No.10122595

>>10122542
>Because retards have loose wallets filled with money.

Actually, this is true. I know a person who spends all his money getting dumb commissions on deviantART. His parents are loaded, so he could live an easy NEET life if he really wanted to. I wouldn't doubt he dropped over $500+ on the Homestuck kickstarter.

>> No.10122599

>>10122557
Doujin work sold at convention. He absolutely doesn't care.

>> No.10122614

>>10122586
>does it become more of a story later on with a plot?
About a hundred (more?) of strips in you'll see a plot. It's not just some guy having doing random shit at home, that's barely a part of actual storyline.

>> No.10122615

>>10122543
A bunch of them are okay, few are really good, majority are between awful and so awful I wonder how everyone is still reading this crap after all these years.

There's a lot of good webcomics, but most of them aren't the sort of ongoing stuff that can actually support their creators, so they move on to print or to other media.

>> No.10122616

megatokyo is really good. does homestuck,kid radd,Problem Sleuth actually have plot or is it all random?

>> No.10122622

>>10122542
This is very true. It takes god-level balls to be like ZUN and not get rich by licensing Touhou. ZUN could retire tomorrow and buy a brewery if he started signing contracts, but he doesn't do that.

The last guy I knew about that successfully pulled this one was Bill Waterson (Calvin & Hobbes).

>> No.10122623

There was this one blog where a guy ripped the shit out of bad webcomics and it was pretty entertaining. Is it still around?

>> No.10122625

Ruby Quest was better than Homestuck, even if everything about it marked the transition from /tg/ as one of the best communities on 4chan to just as annoying as everywhere else on 4chan.

Why don't we ever do anything cool, /jp/?

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>>10122616
>megatokyo is really good.

>>10122623
Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad, it was made by a SA goon and is now defunct, I'm pretty sure ED has some archives of it up somewhere.

>> No.10122629

>>10122622
>Bill Waterson (Calvin & Hobbes).

Watterson.

He eventually had to license his work because people were doing things with his drawings that he didn't like (like putting calvin in anarchy t-shirts). He's great nevertheless.

>> No.10122634

>>10122623
http://www.isxkcdshittytoday.com/
All you ever need.

I love the various xkcd analysis/parody sites, though, they're the best thing to come out of xkcd. Not that it's a particularly bad comic, it's just very hit-or-miss, aimed at the worst sort of people, and Randall Munroe is a cunt.

>> No.10122637

>>10122623
Here you go:
http://badwebcomicsarchive(.)blogspot.com

>> No.10122640

>>10122628
megatokyo has fun characters and a /jp/ like main character.

>> No.10122645

>>10122622
Bill Watterson is cool. He's like the Anti-Jim Davis.

>> No.10122644

>>10122628
That's a shame. I had some laughs with it.

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>>10122625
>Katawa Shoujo
>/jp/ theme songs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84fOsLdqDAM
>Original content threads

You can greentext all these things and >imply that they're all bad if you really want to, but they're still something

>> No.10122654

>>10122622
>It takes god-level balls to be like ZUN and not get rich by licensing Touhou.
I wouldn't call it balls.
ZUN seems pretty well off and content with his position.
He also doesn't seem to give a single fuck about what's fandom doing.
He's basically taking it easy about the whole thing.

>> No.10122657

What does /jp/ think of Romantically Apocalyptic?

>> No.10122659

>>10122625
You are not here for very long right?
Go ahead and try a /jp/ project I dare you

>> No.10122668

>>10122614
Alright guess ill read it. what about Problem Sleuth ?

>> No.10122672

>>10122650
We can't really take credit for Katawa Shoujo. The idea was born on /a/ (albeit before /jp/ was even around) and I'm pretty sure the majority of the devs came from there if they even came from 4chan at all.

>> No.10122693

>>10122654
ZUN has a lot of faith in the doujinshi/amateur distribution model. Compare and contrast with the Type Moon or the higurashi guys, who cashed in at the first opportunity.

I wonder if ZUN will eventually "sold out" or if he'll pull a successfull Bill Watterson and retire when he thinks there's nothing else to add to Touhou.

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>>10122547
I like to believe that, just maybe, he likes and cares about his western fanbase.

Beyond that, he is a huge westaboo. He also really likes New York.

He doesn't go alone though, he goes with several other doujin artists, like Rodney, Hamamoto, and some other guys. It's technically not even his booth, that's why he isn't listed in the attendee roster.
He linked a comic on his twitter that one of the artists drew about their time in New York this year. It showed the stuff they bought from NYCC and the sights they visited. bkub and some other guy took like 50 pictures of squirrels in Central Park for some reason too.

https://twitter.com/bkub_comic
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?illust_id=31110067&mode=medium
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?illust_id=31080470&mode=medium

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>>10122672
>I'm pretty sure the majority of the devs came from there

I don't know. Even if the idea predated /jp/, which my memory is too poor to confirm, it's still a VN, which is pretty explicitly /jp/ material

Oh well, I won't get too hung up about it. Everyone on /jp/'s too cool for it now that it's released anyway

>> No.10122718

Katawa Shoujo could've been so much better. The idea of a whole school of disabled girls is great, but why couldn't the MC go after other ones. Plus, they never had any conclusion with hanako and lilly.

>> No.10122719

le homostuck haz le best fanbase
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyFXNMVbO5Q

>> No.10122743

>>10122650
Katawa Shoujo was more /a/ and then they made some effort to distance themselves from 4chan altogether. I doubt the creators were very active /jp/ers or they would have removed gimpling.jpg from the game.
The theme songs were nice, we've had some good drawings, Dandelion Girl was decent, some current projects are progressing along nicely. We've took part in a few translations and I think /jp/ is a big part of the Western visual novel and Touhou fanbase.
That said, we haven't had anything like a Dan Kim thread for a while. Not that those were the bastion of quality original content (to be honest, I was never too big on Dan Kim) but I think that's the sort of thing we should be aiming for. The internet equivalent of huddling up around a fire while the village chieftain tells us a story.
Someone recently recommended screenshot LPs, that would be cool.

>>10122659
But Anon's Nice Days, Project Insomnia, Touhou Moon, Idolmaster-SP, our STG engine, the Flapper Project and that one loli rape sim are all coming along great, right? Right?

>> No.10122764

>>10122718
It was good for what it was. I care more about the fact that 4chan made a polished and popular game, even if it wasn't really made "by 4chan" in the end. It really should not have taken five years, but the fact they published a finished product was pretty exciting. Maybe it'll set the standards for future projects. 2channel and Futaba Channel collaborate on stuff, so I don't see why 4chan rarely does (unless it's something dumb like computers playing sports games against each other).

>> No.10122767

>>10122693
I don't see him caving in. ZUN ain't a bitch, and has been making these games with his spare time even while he was still employed with Taito, simply because he wasn't a big fan of the shmups out at the time. He isn't even money-hungry enough to re-release older titles. He COULD have done something like "Embodiment of Scarlet Devil: 10th Anniversary Edition" or something akin to that for Comiket 82 , but he didn't. Not even so much as a "proper" OST release.

Also, he'll never be like Bill, simply because he is actually willing to do interviews and public appearances, while Mr. Watterson would highly appreciate if everyone fucked off.

>> No.10122772

http://youtu.be/zS0RIfG91EQ

Homestuck is the best Touhou doujin circle.

>> No.10122785

>>10122764
Yeah, I mean that's an achievement in itself. Overall, It was really polished and in quality, stands up with some of the more professional VNs I've played.

I bet you could gather some pretty impressive people now, unless they all left.

>> No.10122802

>>10122772
I agree the fans are shit but the art and music is good.

>> No.10122809

>>10122767
I respect ZUN for not taking the App Store/Xbox Live route (and he seems a little against those in his terms of use), but part of me would like a re-release of his games (maybe as some sort of bundle) for updated OS and resolution support. That's the one thing that bugs me about older games. I don't want new sprites, I just want to not have to press a button on my monitor.

Of course, people would expect more because remakes generally have new content. Fuck you Nintendo and fuck you Nicalis.

>> No.10122817

>>10122767
You're correct on Watterson's account. I had forgotten how antisocial he is.

I hope you're correct on ZUN's account. I remember reading one interview or letter from him (which I cannot find now to reference here) where he puts his motivations on a rather high spiritual level. It was like: Do good games > Live a good life > Have a good afterlife.

>> No.10122827

>>10122785
They're probably all internet superstars now.

I know Raide did the art. He also did the art for Christine Love's games, which in my opinion were better and didn't take five years ("don't take it personally babe" was made in a month).

I'm a little sceptical of OELVNs in general though, because they take things in a direction I don't like. I don't want an "artistic and literary delight" or a flashy interface with particle effects, I want something fun to read. If Uncle Mugen spent less time creating engines/effects and more time creating content, he might have actually made something decent by now.

>> No.10122907

I doubt ZUN needs to "cash-in" anyway. He almost certainly has deals with the professional figma companies. You see how professional some of that shit is and how well it sells, it's pretty lucrative and he'd be crazy to not have got in on that.

>> No.10122934

>>10122343

FUCK YEAH LEO!

best Zodiac

>> No.10122939

>>10122907
He has made merchandise deals and while I doubt he's giving all his money away to charity, I imagine he did that as much for the fans as for himself.

This might sound hypocritical, but it makes me respect him more. He clearly cares about his games and his characters, but he's fine with letting fans do their own thing. He hasn't sold out, but nor is he hamming up the fact that he hasn't. He just takes it easy and supports doujin works. A typical Western developer would be blogging about what a nice guy he is and how 5% of the proceeds from the next Touhou game will go to Child's Play. ZUN just creates games and comics and does a damn good job of it.

>> No.10122974

who here remembers boston and shaun

>> No.10123002

>>10122809
I'm sure there are a good number of people who would be more than happy to have the old titles rereleased even if it only major changes were that it could run on Vista/7/8. It took until UFO for there to be a game that was made to natively run on Vista.

Also, I don't think he'll ever sell his games digitally, whether it be on his own site using a download ticket system, on Steam, or whatever. He comes off as the type of person who likes the "do it yourself" ethic of the doujin culture too much to release it in anything other than a jewel case. It COULD be easier to sell digital, and net him more money because he wouldn't need to spend money on discs, cases, manuals, etc., but it just wouldn't be the same.

>> No.10123026

>>10123002
ZUN can't even have an erection if he doesn't smell fresh doujinshi ink.

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>>10123002
> He comes off as the type of person who likes the "do it yourself" ethic of the doujin culture too much to release it in anything other than a jewel case.

Honestly, I need to make room in my budget to buy jewel cases of all of the touhou games. I'd even want to write ZUN to see if I could get copies of the PC98 ones

I haven't been able to enjoy the glory of a freshly opened jewel case since my teenage years. Purchasing games just isn't the same these days..

>> No.10123064

>>10123002
Something ZUN-ish I could imagine would be for him to change a variable, recompile the games and sell them as a bundle at a specific event, with a bonus CD or a comic, or perhaps the other way around.
This is why modern computer games bug me. His PC-98 games will emulate perfectly to the end of time. The Windows games will stop working and nobody is ever going to be able to write a complete reimplementation of the necessary libraries (though the games do run fine in Wine). A strictly meta/technical re-release would be easy and appreciated by a lot of people.

>> No.10123088

>>10123032
It's nice to have a physical product, I'm glad ZUN realizes that.

Companies like DLsite are selling downloads of doujin games for about the same price as the original game, case and all, and that pisses me off.

>> No.10123629

>>10122767
ZUN sure shows himself up a lot more than Watterson did, the guy didn't like public appearances and hated the constant bickering on his life that fame caused (and I think that's comprehensible), but ain't that part of taking it easy as well? Also don't say something like "he'd highly appreciate if everyone fucked off."
He'd highly appreciate if the guys trying to have his work licensed fucked off.

Did you read what he wrote on the compilation of all Calvin & Hobbes strips he recently released? The guy talks a lot about himself and these exact issues we're addressing, it's a nice read for anyone who enjoyed his work.

>> No.10123723

>>10123629

Well, now you've got me curious. Any links?

>> No.10123841

>>10123032
I just recently started collecting Touhou physical copies, it's just as great as you imagine it to be. Go for it.

>> No.10123850

webcomics? I used to read this when I was younger.
http://www.squidi.net/comic/amd/

I don't remember what it was about or if it was good, I just remember liking it

>> No.10123910

>>10123629
I cannot say I have. Most of what I know about his life is from the 10th Anniversary book from back in the 90s and a few articles scattered about from the few times he agreed to interviews. Also, "recently"? The Complete Calvin and Hobbes collection was released back in 2005. Anywho, I never got that since I had all of his comics from previous releases, and $100 is pretty steep for a bit of bonus content.

I guess saying he would want people to "fuck off" is an overexaggeration, but it's not too far of a stretch to say he doesn't take much liking to the idea of talking about his personal life.

>>10123723
There aren't many interviews or details known about his life, so you could probably find around 90% of Q&A's on his wikipedia page under the references.

>> No.10123922

>>10123850
I recognised the URL straight away. I loved this comic, though it probably wasn't very good. It was a little similar to Kidd Radd.

Where's A Starship Destiny?

>> No.10124319

>Ctrl-F Nepeta
>0 Results

Such a shitty character.

>> No.10124745

>>10124319
no, its you and homesuck that is shit. now go die in a fire, possibly away from here.

>> No.10125102

>>10123002
I wish TD would stop disabling my goddamn theme

>> No.10125167

>>10122343
How is this surprising? Bkub was always retarded pander to the lowest common denominator secondary shit. Now I know what Ron Paul must feel like, watching retards being surprised at easily predictable shit happening when they themselves caused it.

>> No.10126139

>>10122625
http://1d4chan.org/wiki//tg/_gets_shit_done

> Other boards talk about projects but never finish them.

> /tg/? Oh no. /tg/ gets shit done.

>> No.10126291

>>10126139
The list of "shit that is done" is a joke.

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I'm saving this thread for when ZUN sells out and drops an iOS game and I can remind you all of when you thought it wouldn't happen.

>> No.10129008

>>10122705
why does that image misuse sage? it's really setting off my assburgers.

>> No.10129128

>>10129008
The idea is that they are angry and regressing.

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