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Do you consider ZUN a talented writer ?

>> No.10112852

LOL

>> No.10112856

No clue.

Some of his stuff outside of the games seems really good, but I can't really tell reading the atrocious translations.

>> No.10112859

CoLA is ok

>> No.10112868

lol

>> No.10112872

>>10112852
>>10112868

"It's not a book plus it's asian so it has to be shit, but it's enjoyable like fast food"
- fat nerds from /a/

>> No.10112876

I can't read moon and i can't understand the English translations of his works.

>> No.10112886 [DELETED] 

I'm told he uses archaic constructions cleverly in his works, and I'm happy to blindly believe that.

>> No.10112917

I don't understand a single thing that goes on in the official manga, yeah it's simple enough, but nothing really happens or the reasons are just non-existent.

>> No.10112925

Well, I don't think he's a bad writer.

>> No.10112933

I don't know, but I know that he's a wonderful thinker.

>> No.10112956 [DELETED] 

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Most of ZUN works are shit, 2hu is only good because the fanbase makes it good.
Like with Bethesda and the Fallout/Elder Scrolls series.

>> No.10112963

>>10112956
1 reply~
I'll send you a hug!

>> No.10112970

>>10112956
inb4 butthurtnitor blocks me for saying the truth

>> No.10112976

>>10112970
Could it be that you're aiming to ``stir `shit' up''?

>> No.10112977

>>10112956

>Like with Bethesda and the Fallout/Elder Scrolls series.

Those still suck even with mods.

>> No.10112982

>>10112976
My only aim is to spread the truth.

>> No.10112986

>>10112976
Epic quotation marks in this post

>> No.10112985

>>10112977
So edgy criticizing a popular, successful and loved franchise

>> No.10112991

>>10112982
Ganbatte, Anonymous-dono.

May you never rest until all the world is shown the light of truth.

>> No.10112994

>>10112933
>I know that he's a wonderful thinker.

He draws some funny conclusions from some really unrelated stuff, the kind of thing that makes you think "oh, now that you say it...". He does that a lot through Rinnosuke.
So I'll agree with that.

But anyway, although I personally like his writing, I'd say the same as >>10112856

>> No.10112996

>>10112994
>But anyway, although I personally like his writing, I'd say the same as >>10112856
My bad, I meant to quote >>10112956

>> No.10113012

>>10112847

He has wonderful characters and interesting concepts, like a hell raven devouring a God and acquiring the power of nuclear fusion, but the stories themselves aren't that interesting.

I think it's because the relationships between the main characters (Reimu, Marisa, etc.) and the other characters aren't strong at all. Reimu resolves incidents because it's her job. Marisa resolves incidents because it's interesting. Sanae resolves incidents because she finds youkai extermination fun. Sakuya resolved the incident in PCB because she was starting to run low on supplies. The relationships between the heroines and the antagonists are pretty much nonexistent. The antagonists themselves usually aren't evil anyway; they're just pursuing some selfish goal that happens to affect everything else strongly enough for the heroines to get involved. There are exceptions, like how Okuu wanted to burn the entirety of the surface world, but that was just because she was stupid and thought that that would be the best use of her power. Her ambitions ended when she learned that, no, that WASN'T what she was supposed to do.

As for the manga series WaHH, nothing of any consequence seems to happen in it for the same reason. The characters from each individual game have relationships with the other characters from their own games, but they have essentially nothing to do with the characters from other games. The only thing a lot of them have in common is the fact that they were, at one point, beaten up by one of the heroines, and that's not strong enough of a bond to have any kind of interesting dynamic.

>> No.10113025

>>10113012
I think the concepts and stories are totally uninteresting but the game dialogue might be the best stuff I've ever seen.

>> No.10113028

>>10113012

Continuing, that's why a lot of the doujin works can be so good, because they often don't focus on Reimu or Marisa at all. They like to dote on characters from individual games, which means they have relationships to use in their stories.

They also usually add in some lesbian sexual tension and/or lesbian sex, which makes the relationships between the characters more interesting, albeit for very low reasons. Still, that dynamic is the reason a lot of the lesbian Touhou ero-doujins can be interesting even if you disregard the porn, and why the stories of Touhou characters fucking faceless men are shit 100% of the time.

>> No.10113031

>>10113025
>the game dialogue might be the best stuff I've ever seen.
>the game dialogue might be the best stuff I've ever seen.
>the game dialogue might be the best stuff I've ever seen.
>the game dialogue might be the best stuff I've ever seen.
>the game dialogue might be the best stuff I've ever seen.
PLEASE BE TROLLING PLEASE BE TROLLING PLEASE BE TROLLING PLEASE BE TROLLING PLEASE BE TROLLING PLEASE BE TROLLING PLEASE BE TROLLING PLEASE BE TROLLING

>> No.10113036

>>10113012
>>10113028
>Hey guise look at me I love touhou am I /jp/ yet?

Touhou is dead and so are you OMAE WA MOU SHINDEIRU

>> No.10113039
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10113039

>I don't like you
>ooh I've been defeated
>let's drink tea

>> No.10113041

>>10113031
Says the turbonerd who uses translations. There are a lot of clever uses of quaint inflections and sayings, often combined with how a 21st-century teenager would talk, which makes the dialogue cute and charming. I speak Japanese almost fluently, but even I had to look a few things up.

Touhou dialogue is great.

>> No.10113045

>>10113031
If real people talked like that life would be much more pleasant.

>> No.10113047

>>10113041
>Implying I use translations
The dialogue is as good as Street Fighter IV rival cutscenes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3AXAfX1Ef8

shit shit shit

>> No.10113049

>>10113028
>some lesbian sexual tension and/or lesbian sex
wat

>> No.10113050
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10113050

He's clearly well-read in lots of different areas and his talent for sheer volume of quality character design is kind of unmatched. Don't know any other otaku writer with 100+ characters who for the most part actually feel distinct and individual.

So yeah he has a wealth of inspiration to draw on from actual non-otaku culture which is cool but he also has a very distinctly otaku taste for excellent character designs, styles, names, stuff like that. He is good with words in an original way. In my opinion.

>> No.10113052

>>10113028
Secondary detected

>> No.10113055

>>10113052
where did you get the scanner ?

>> No.10113058

>>10113012
I'm gonna have to agree with this but, what do you think of CoLA and the 2 serious moon books? Also, I think while he can't really fit stuff together correctly, he excels in making a stand-alone story for each chapter.

>> No.10113060

>>10113049

Have you not read any Touhou doujins at all? The vast, vast majority of them (that aren't just a faceless man/a bunch of faceless men fucking one of them) make at least one character into a lesbian.

>> No.10113061

>>10113055
Police auction.

>> No.10113065
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10113065

>>10113055
WITH VEGETA
Vegeta, what does the scouter say about his secondary level?

>> No.10113067

>>10113058
I'm not that guy, but I think CoLA his is best written work for some of those reasons.

Zun seems like a chill guy, so good SoL flows nicely from that.

>> No.10113070

>>10113065

oh god.......this is a shit man......le epic memes are clearly teh strong with this one xD -darth vader noise lol- *OoOooOooo*8***

>> No.10113075

>>10113052

I've 1cc'd all of the integer Windows games on Hard mode, except for PoFV because I didn't like it.

>>10113058

I read SSiB a long time ago when I was much less familiar with the series, so I didn't enjoy it very much. Also, fuck those arrogant, elitist, hateful moonsluts.

I haven't read CiLR or CoLA, but apparently the former is supposed to make me hate the moonsluts less.

>> No.10113077
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10113077

Touhou dialogues in a nutshell

>> No.10113080

>>10113060
I don't really like Touhou fancomics as most of them disregard canon.

>> No.10113085

>>10113049
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Story_of_Eastern_Wonderland/Translation/Regular_Stages#Stage_2

>> No.10113087

>>10113080

Fair enough.

>> No.10113086

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Ten_Desires/Story/Marisa%27s_Scenario
How can you not see it?

>> No.10113093

>>10113075
Shut up. Idiota!

>> No.10113104

>>10113093
ara ara, calm down cabrón

>> No.10113106

>>10113085
>>10113086
Sorry but I failed to detect any.
Only badass Mima and Miko actions.

>> No.10113113

wwwwwwww

>> No.10113155

>>10113070
If I had to choose who looks way more idiotic, or how much shitposting is in one post, I would choose yours.

>> No.10113197
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10113197

In my opinion, I think that one of the strongest points about ZUN's writing is that he manages to create a very charming cast of characters whilst maintaining a story that manages to keep the same cast fresh.

Each character has a very unique breath of life to them that always draws me back into the story, for example: SSiB had parts of Gensokyo coming together to build a rocket ship to go to the moon. Now that is just an interesting concept in itself especially considering how the characters interact.

All of his factions are pretty unique, personally my favourite faction is Eientei. I'm not sure what it is about them, but I always feel myself drawn to the characters and their lifestyle. Sometimes the Doujins are very true to the characters as well, which just makes me think more about them. My favourite is Udonge too, so it's always great to see her appear in the official works. I would love to see Eientei appear more, especially with some character development of Udonge!

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>>10113197
Fascinating.

>> No.10113299
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10113299

>>10113284

>> No.10113315

ZUN either can't or doesn't want to write any character depth but I think it gives it a special feeling. It's like half comedy anyway so that kind of treatment isn't unusual. Then fan artists just love to take it and cram their doujinshi full of boilerplate drama.

>> No.10113321

>>10113315
Okay, well, we're all hungry. We're going to get to our hot plates soon enough. All right?

>> No.10113330

>>10113315
Reimu and Marisa got the development the most, though.
CoLA and WaHH do justice to their MC's developments too. I hope FS will follow suit.

>> No.10113359

I like Koishi's concept. 2deep4me

>> No.10113375

>>10113077
Dialogue is nothing like that.
it starts off with a little small talk. Then a couple of insults, then a fight. Or just small talk then a fight.
The final boss dialogue is usually a BIT of that image but still not it.

>> No.10113401

>>10113330
I meant that they don't have emotional depth. Not that they need to. But the result has kind of a flattened, relaxed feeling.

>> No.10113429

>>10113401
>male writers
>emotional depth
Decisions, decisions.

>> No.10113484

>The relationships between the heroines and the antagonists are pretty much nonexistent.

That's the charm, that everyone has a role in everyone's life, even if they are distanced.


Well, and it does look like he has a lot of knowledge regarding poetry and folklore, which he applies to the plot. And it also seems like he tries to give an understanding of certain aspects of the world and human relationships, or at least tries to relate some of his life experiences trough Touhou history.

Don't mind me, just pulling this out of my ass.


tl;dr: Yes.

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10113506

Reimu's is kinda dull but Marisa has some hilarious(smart) lines.

>> No.10113518

>>10112856
>>10112872
You said everything I could possibly say on this topic, /jp/, all within the first five replies. I feel redundant.

>> No.10113549

>>10113506

EoSD is horribly translated. You can't trust any of those lines.

>> No.10113977

He's not bad.

SoPM or CiLR were good.

>> No.10114002

>>10113549
Then release a new patch. You don't even need to do any translating, just copy the lines from Touhouwiki.

Everyone would greatly appreciate your effort.

>> No.10114008

>>10113549
It's correct.

>> No.10114007

>>10114002
I seriously wonder why nobody has done this.

>> No.10114339

>>10114002

I'd like to but I have no idea where to start.

>> No.10114357

Why ZUN don't draw the touhou manga he writes?

>> No.10114371

>>10114357
Because he's a poor artist.

>> No.10114392

>>10114371
but I like his art

>> No.10114446

pfffffffHAAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.10120098

bump

>> No.10120113

What happened too the ZUN Q&A thread?
;_;

>> No.10120118

>>10120113
Roleplaying is forbidden

>> No.10120135

>>10120118
It's not roleplaying if it's him

>> No.10120149

>>10120135
It's not him though, so it is roleplaying.

Janitor has checked his IP and confirmed it

>> No.10120154

I'm the Queen of the Commonwealth Realms, ask me anything.

>> No.10120175

>>10120118
fun cant be something not allowed

>> No.10120215

>>10120118
Were you on that thread last week? Just give a look and tell me how you can be against that.
http://fuuka.warosu.org/jp/thread/S10078976

>> No.10120227

>>10120215
I'm against it because people actually started to believe it's real.
But it was me roleplaying as him all that time

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