Ever think you've finally got Japan figured out? Like nothing could surprise? That you've seen the weirdest that they have to offer? ...And then you see a gif like this?

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Anonymous Mon Nov 19 18:24:07 2012 No.10086726 [Reply] [Original]

Ever think you've finally got Japan figured out? Like nothing could surprise? That you've seen the weirdest that they have to offer?

...And then you see a gif like this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 18:26:22 2012 No.10086734 so randum

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 18:27:09 2012 No.10086738 File: 210 KB, 600x600, FURBAY.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Japan is so werid amirite guys?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 18:32:13 2012 No.10086771 >>10086726 OP, source is the low-budget film "Shyness Machine Girl". You can leave now.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 18:32:43 2012 No.10086765
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>>10086738
I remember reading an article on Kotaku several years ago about how the whole "Japan so weird lel" thing had long since lost any value as either an observation or a joke. It was the only thing I've ever read on Kotaku that I agreed with. Needless to say, I don't think anyone that works for them actually read it.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 18:45:40 2012 No.10086824

>>10086765
...was it the one by that dude who went to Japan expecting god knows what and got burned so hard his butthurt was enormous even by expat standards?

Whining about how the food has too much meat and fat and so on?

Personally I think it was hilarious.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 18:46:56 2012 No.10086828 File: 9 KB, 230x219, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] MOTTLETHISSHITYSTICKKY11111 MOOTHLEESS!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 18:48:10 2012 No.10086834 >>10086824 I don't think so, but I may be crazy. That one was like a fucking book in length right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 18:49:55 2012 No.10086838 Nice. Epic. I like it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 18:52:31 2012 No.10086841 >>10086726 After reading schoolgirl in concrete nothing will ever surprise me

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 18:52:46 2012 No.10086842 >>10086765 don't use your shitty meems on my board, dickmaster.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 18:53:31 2012 No.10086847 simply epic

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 18:55:01 2012 No.10086854 >>10086847 Glad you could joined us bro ;)

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 18:56:00 2012 No.10086857 >>10086841 shame on you for reading that

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 18:56:45 2012 No.10086855 (╯ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )╯︵ ┻━┻ ┬──┬ ノ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° ノ)

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 18:57:15 2012 No.10086859 >>10086841 Schoolgirl in concrete isn't that bad compared to any of the recent gore films.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 18:57:30 2012 No.10086858 >>10086855 GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH MY FUCKING GOD! >:( captcha: Rms-Elegant ndtediz

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 18:59:02 2012 No.10086863 >>10086861 oops i kinda masturbated to it lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 18:59:17 2012 No.10086861 >>10086859 except girl in concrete was real you nerd

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 19:00:32 2012 No.10086865 >>10086861 So?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 19:10:48 2012 No.10086895 >>10086865 a bunch of faggots acting in front of a camera isn't as impactating as something that really happened

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 19:12:33 2012 No.10086903 >>10086895 You're not watching what really happened. You're looking at drawings of an artist's interpretation of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 19:16:35 2012 No.10086922 >>10086726 Is this the first trash movie or what?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 19:24:44 2012 No.10086946 File: 39 KB, 371x720, Junko Furuta.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10086865 >So? Is it not bad enough that this girl was tortured to death over a period of 44 days? Does her death need to be exploited with a hentai manga too?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 19:31:00 2012 No.10086973 >/jp/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk2wViKSh_M

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 19:31:30 2012 No.10086970 >>10086946 Don't really care. There is fictional material that has bothered me much more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 21:02:40 2012 No.10087419 >>10086970 >There is fictional material that has bothered me much more You are fucking broken.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 21:30:16 2012 No.10087539 just epic :)

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 21:34:07 2012 No.10087550 >>10086726 When I saw that, the first thing I thought was, "Astroboy Reference". In any case, the west can be pretty damn weird too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3vhpk7DhZM

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 21:42:01 2012 No.10087586 http://vimeo.com/27949634 nah, Japan is just quirky. This on the other hand...what is THIS?

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 21:48:01 2012 No.10087607

>>10086841
What's so bad about schoolgirl in concrete? We had An American Crime based off a true story too. Hell there were 2 movies on it out at around the same time. A dude drawing a comic in his room is one thing, but Hollywood going at it, now that is fucked up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 21:54:33 2012 No.10087621 >>10087586 oh i get it, it's like a moving painting, right

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 21:55:18 2012 No.10087625 >>10087550 check this out, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWvZw1F6qMM the creator is a middle-aged fat british women who makes bizarre 3D animations with synthesized singing

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 21:58:03 2012 No.10087634 >>10087586 oh man, it gets really good at 4 minutes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 21:58:46 2012 No.10087638 >>10087607 >We had An American Crime based off a true story too. That was exploitative trash but it wasn't pornography.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 21:59:16 2012 No.10087640 >>10087586 I fucking hate "art"

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 21:59:16 2012 No.10087641 People actually care about the fact that the crime was made into a doujin? I thought the idea was to be disgusted by the crime itself What a bunch of normals.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:00:16 2012 No.10087645 >>10087640 All art is quite useless.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:01:16 2012 No.10087651 >>10087625 Better than any song I've tried to make.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:01:16 2012 No.10087652 >>10087641 >What a bunch of normals. I know this phrase get's thrown around a lot anymore but... so edgy!

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:01:31 2012 No.10087653 >>10087640 it's actually pretty cool. you just sound really insecure of nudity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:02:31 2012 No.10087657 >>10087645 Architecture is both practically useful and art.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:02:31 2012 No.10087658 >>10087653 I'm disgusting by whores who will stand around on a stage naked, yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:03:02 2012 No.10087666 File: 61 KB, 750x563, 1339640762756.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10087640 >>10087645

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:03:02 2012 No.10087667 >>10087657 It's a quote by some homo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:03:31 2012 No.10087664 >>10087652 If you ask me the one who thinks a doujin is a disgrace would be the "edgy" one on /jp/. Not surprising you use spoilers in an /v/ fashion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:03:31 2012 No.10087665 >>10087658 ha. you are missing out man.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:06:33 2012 No.10087677

>>10087664
>If you ask me the one who thinks a doujin is a disgrace would be the "edgy" one on /jp/

I'm pretty sure that many posters on /jp/ aren't so morally bankrupt that they wouldn't be offended by guro doujin exploiting Junko Furuta's unimaginably painful and degrading death.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:08:33 2012 No.10087690

>>10086824
You're talking about the Tim Rogers article where he talks about what he likes and doesn't like about Japan, partially in an effort to quell the weaboos who dreamt of Japan as a fairytale land, partially to talk about his own personal experiences (after he'd been there for like 10 years). He worked for Grasshopper studios. He's a chill guy who gets demonized for writing for Kotaku for money one in a blue moon, even when everything he says is well said.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:09:03 2012 No.10087695 >>10087677 it's pretty funny how you get people who accept this sort of thing as ok stuff, and then you get folks who can't get past nudity on vimeo on the same thread. you guys are really really silly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:10:18 2012 No.10087697 >>10087677 This. I'm not personally sickened or offended by the idea (that is, I don't have any emotional reaction because I'm a dark and jaded fellow), but I think it's a bad thing to do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:11:03 2012 No.10087704 >>10087695 >it's pretty funny how you get people who accept this sort of thing as ok stuff, and then you get folks who can't get past nudity on vimeo on the same thread. What? I haven't fucking said anything about nudity on vimeo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:11:19 2012 No.10087702 >>10087690 Also, his quote about the meat was in reference to him being a vegetarian, and how the Japanese are not accommodating/understanding towards them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:13:33 2012 No.10087710 >>10087704 i'm obviously not talking about you, in particular, but >>10087658

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:21:05 2012 No.10087741

>>10087695
She's dead so it doesn't matter if someone draws a comic. The naked girls have no shame and are making decision to be lewd on stage. If I ever ran into a girl and learned she did something like that in college or whatever I would tell her to get the fuck away from me.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:28:35 2012 No.10087776

>>10087741
>The naked girls have no shame and are making decision to be lewd on stage

They are just naked, you are blinded by your preconception. I don't know why nudity has become such a taboo in modern days, it's just praise for the perfection of the human body.

It's also supposed to be a moving painting, like a painting from the renaissance or something, and those paintings have lots of naked people.

This is, of course, disregarding that a doujin about humiliation, murder and mutilation is a much much morally questionable piece of art in of itself, regardless of it being based on a true story or not, than a bunch of naked women, and I can't even call you morally bankrupt for thinking that murder is more acceptable than mere nudity. I think you are kind of sick on the coconut.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:32:35 2012 No.10087799 >>10087776 It's cool that you have no standards for women's behavior, I guess that's what feminists want, isn't it? Don't try to lure me into your disgusting amorality, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:32:50 2012 No.10087801 >>10087741 >She's dead so it doesn't matter if someone draws a comic. Respect for the dead is a fundamental moral obligation. Even the higher animals show some reverence for the deceased members of their own species.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:34:35 2012 No.10087816 >>10087801 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrophilia#In_animals

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:35:36 2012 No.10087821 >>10087799 ha, i am getting tricked here, aren't i.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:36:20 2012 No.10087826 >>10087419 come to 4chan expect anything but broken men and psychopaths. I actually was normal, then two months ago I was diagnosed after exactly 5 years nearly to the day.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:36:20 2012 No.10087827 >>10087821 Tricked by feminists into believing that women should be able to do whatever they want with no consequences, yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:37:23 2012 No.10087831 >>10087816 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_cognition#Death_ritual

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:38:22 2012 No.10087837 >>10087827 but there are naked men in the video too

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:38:37 2012 No.10087838

>>10087419
Not that guy but I agree.

I don't get why people keep bringing the h-manga up like it's so appalling. Sure the _real_ events are sickening but I don't feel anything about the h-manga at all. There have been plenty of other things that made me feel much worse.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:40:07 2012 No.10087852 [DELETED]

>>10087831
Oh and ducks and toads aren't "higher animals."

>>10087837
what?

>>10087838
>I don't get why people keep bringing the h-manga up like it's so appalling.

It's desecration, to take those sickening real events and make them into pornography. It's a hideous affront to the memory of Junko Furuta.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:42:07 2012 No.10087856 >>10087852 Yeah, I bet you care so much about some dead Jap. Get off your high horse, you self-righteous prick.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:42:22 2012 No.10087857 >>10087852 who? oh yeah, one of the literally trillions of humans to have existed. Fuck that. What makes her so special that I need to put my dick on hold?

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:42:22 2012 No.10087858

>>10087816
Ducks and toads aren't "higher animals."

>>10087838
>I don't get why people keep bringing the h-manga up like it's so appalling.

It's desecration, to take those sickening real events and make them into pornography. It's a hideous affront to the memory of Junko Furuta.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:43:22 2012 No.10087864 >>10087852 >what? there are naked dudes on the vimeo video,

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:45:37 2012 No.10087870 >>10087856 I do care. >Get off your high horse, you self-righteous prick. Oh boy, name calling. Well how about you stop trying so hard to appear edgy you angst ridden wanker?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:47:22 2012 No.10087882 >>10087690 That guy is a total fucking prick, going on and on about how perfect white people hair is. I can't stand his tone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:47:22 2012 No.10087883 Hey /jp/ just wanted to let you know I have higher morals than you :P and that thing you like, you should stop liking it because I think it's bad and it offends me ;)

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:48:07 2012 No.10087888 File: 36 KB, 349x348, 1349458253598.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10087870 not him but >edgy

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:48:38 2012 No.10087892 >>10087857 > literally trillions I don't think that's right,

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:49:22 2012 No.10087895 >>10087870 >wanker u wot m8

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:50:07 2012 No.10087899 >>10087888 Edgy, as in counter culture for no real fucking reason. >I don't need your morals, normalfags! I spit on the dead! Like that see.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:50:52 2012 No.10087904 >>10087892 It's estimated to be around 108 billion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:51:22 2012 No.10087906 >>10087690 http://kotaku.com/5843886/i-got-my-fashion-sense-from-video-games-and-you-can-too?tag=tim-rogers If you think this trash is "well said", then you're probably as much of a pretentious cunt as he is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:51:52 2012 No.10087911 >>10087899 who quot?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:52:24 2012 No.10087912 Remember the 108 trillion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:52:54 2012 No.10087913 >>10087911 An edgy scarecrow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:53:25 2012 No.10087918 >>10087913 The Crow had morals and fought bad guys.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:53:39 2012 No.10087919 >>10087911 It was a paraphrase, a kind of quotation, silly goose.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:55:24 2012 No.10087922 File: 80 KB, 500x333, pouring_one_out_for_my_homies.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10087918 Ha. >>10087912 Pic related.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:55:54 2012 No.10087928 >>10087870 You've only proven my point. Any moral disagreement with you is a sign of "edginess."

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:56:24 2012 No.10087930

I wonder if the guy(s) complaining about the Concrete girl h-manga also complains about holocaust or slavery jokes.

I'm wondering because it seems to me that a lot of people only get seriously irked about things when it comes to sex. That is, laughing about horrible things is fine and dandy but fapping to it makes you a sicko. Why is that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:58:09 2012 No.10087936 >>10087928 Morality is fucking vital to us as humans beings and anyone who wants to pretend otherwise is just trying to act differently for the sake of being different. In other words, "edgy."

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:58:09 2012 No.10087938

>>10087930
I think it's humanized a lot more in concrete girl. Slavery and the holocaust, at least in general, are more big, historical events than any one single tragedy. That's why shit like Uncle Tom's Cabin and Diary of Anne Frank are considered important works- they give a humanized section of a bigger social issue.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:59:24 2012 No.10087944

>>10087930
>I wonder if the guy(s) complaining about the Concrete girl h-manga also complains about holocaust or slavery jokes.

As one of the guys complaining about the Junko Furuto guro doujin, yes, I don't like that kind of humor.

People shouldn't make a joke out of tragedy and they shouldn't masturbate to it either.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 22:59:39 2012 No.10087945 >>10087936 Yep, reducing any moral disagreement to a renunciation of all morality, despite the fact that I expressed clear moral judgments earlier in the thread. Like I said, you're just some self-righteous faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:00:39 2012 No.10087948 >>10087944 I'm glad no one gives a shit what you think.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:01:24 2012 No.10087954 >>10087930 Laughing at something is gallows humor, it's a copping mechanism to deal with something horrifying. Jerking off to something means you actually enjoy it and it sexually excites you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:01:24 2012 No.10087958 >>10087944 Freedom of expression trumps that easily.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:02:24 2012 No.10087967 >>10087944 >People shouldn't make a joke out of tragedy When you tell people this they will always do the opposite.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:03:54 2012 No.10087970

>>10087945
>Yep, reducing any moral disagreement to a renunciation of all morality

Seeing as how respect for the dead is a cornerstone of morality you're getting pretty close.

Some philosopher or another said that we first became civilized when we buried our dead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:05:09 2012 No.10087979 >>10087967 Want to hear a funny joke? women's rights septillions of jews died in the holocaust people are used as tools to dig rocks out of the ground and usually end up dead

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:06:39 2012 No.10087982 >>10087954 What if I cope by jacking off to stuff?

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:06:55 2012 No.10087985
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>>10087958
I have no problem with expressing the fact that you are totally fucked up. Just recognize that you are creepy.

I mean, I like loli, but I realize it makes me a creepy pedophile.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:07:41 2012 No.10087990 >>10087985 Okay, we're cool then. >>10087979 Epic surprise bars, bro.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:08:56 2012 No.10087995 >>10087979 lol i too am _________________________________________surprise!__________________________________________________ _______

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:09:26 2012 No.10087997 >>10087970 >Seeing as how respect for the dead is a cornerstone of morality you're getting pretty close. That's your personal view. And even the definition of "respect" is your personal view.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:09:56 2012 No.10088003 >>10087995 oh fuck you scared me

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:10:56 2012 No.10088005

>>10087997
>That's your personal view.

No, it isn't. Find me one fucking culture in the whole of human history that has not had any sort of rituals for the deceased.

Respect for the dead is a universal human instinct, one shared even by the higher animals, as I've said.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:11:56 2012 No.10088007 Sure is otaku culture in this thread.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:12:26 2012 No.10088008

>>10087985
I don't agree, though. It's not like I think it's immoral for people to find it creepy, it's just that it's not creepy by my own standards. I still have standards for what is and isn't creepy and I wouldn't call lolicon creepy.

Other people have different views, though, and I accept that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:17:11 2012 No.10088022 >>10088008 The standards of society is what's important, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:18:27 2012 No.10088027 >>10088022 Not on the super anonymous Internet where everyone can voice what they really think.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:18:56 2012 No.10088028

>>10088005
Let me clarify. That's your own personal view that happens to be a personal view shared by very many other people.

It's still just a personal view and claiming someone renounces morality itself just because he disagrees with your central tenets of morality is wrong. Unless we have different definitions of morality. I define morality as a system that assigns propriety values to actions performed by humans ranging from immoral / bad through neither bad nor good up to good / moral. Does this line up with your definition of what "morality" means or did you have something else in mind?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:19:41 2012 No.10088031 >>10088022 Is /jp/ really the best place to be pushing for the standards of society?

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:20:26 2012 No.10088034

>>10088022
Only if you're willing to bare something in front of society. Society's standards are fairly twisted and contradictory; they should not be taken at face value.

If you keep it to yourself, society's norms be damned. I love loli. I don't tell anyone that fact.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:21:11 2012 No.10088037

>>10088028
>That's your own personal view that happens to be a personal view shared by very many other people.

As far as Anthropology and Sociobiology is concerned, that's a scientific truth. Every fucking culture in the history of humanity has had death rituals because respect for the dead is a fundamental human instinct.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:21:26 2012 No.10088038 >>10088027 >>10088031 Many people here, myself included, are basement dwellers because we fear the standards of society. Denying the importance of it is foolish.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:22:11 2012 No.10088040

>>10088022
I'm not sure what you mean by "important". It hardly affects me as I'm not masturbating to loli in public. I don't feel particularly restricted in my ability to consume lolicon material and don't feel like I would consume significantly more even if loli was not seen as depraved.

So as far as I'm concerned, the stigma of lolicon has very little impact on me. Whereas, if I personally found it disgusting I'd probably feel very guilty and disgusted with myself and kill myself or seek therapy or something that would have a very large impact on my life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:23:10 2012 No.10088042 >>10088028 >That's your own personal view that happens to be a personal view shared by very many other people. so you are a special snowflake? Isn't that like hated on 4chan or something

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:24:57 2012 No.10088049 >>10088037 Don't bother. He's a misunderstood genious.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:25:57 2012 No.10088051

>>10088037
You didn't answer my question on your definition of morality. This suggests to me you are not reading my post in full. This is not the way to have a debate with someone.

Please define morality otherwise the debate will be impossible. I gave my definition. Tell me if yours lines up with it.

>>10088042
I don't know. Does being in the minority mean I am a special snowflake?

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:29:42 2012 No.10088060

>>10088051
>I don't know. Does being in the minority mean I am a special snowflake?

Thinking that morality is relative is a pretty individualistic thing to think, so yes.

Arguing whether morality is relative from person to person, or is it a set of absolute maxims is beyond my patience and my knowledge, though, and is something I'd like to avoid. I'd rather argue this with my mom.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:32:27 2012 No.10088070

>>10088051
I'm not concerned with discussing morality in general here. What I'm saying is that many moral principles, such as respect for the dead, are universal.

Therefore, when someone isn't respecting the dead, they're being immoral.

Therefore, masturbating to a guro doujin depicting the real life torture and murder of Junko Furuta is immoral.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:33:01 2012 No.10088078 >>10088005 Maybe people buried the dead because rotting corpses fucking stink and spread disease and attract predators? It seems pretty natural to want to bury or otherwise get rid of corpses instead of just letting them fester.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:33:01 2012 No.10088079

>>10088060
>Thinking that morality is relative is a pretty individualistic thing to think, so yes.
What? Morality IS relative. When everything is subjectively experienced, how could we possibly figure that there's an external absolute? Sure there are factors that drive and shape it, but at the end of the day, how one appraises the life around him/her is left up to the individual. We agree with a collective morality because it benefits us.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:36:45 2012 No.10088091 >>10088070 It's really more tasteless than unethical, they shouldn't have used a real event.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:37:30 2012 No.10088094

>>10088078
If that's all ancient humans were worried about then they would just drag the dead away from whatever cave they were living in. And they wouldn't bother burying the dead with flowers and ceremonial objects.

Fucking Neanderthals buried their dead and covered the corpses with flowers, did you know that? And scientists don't even believe that they had culture.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:38:30 2012 No.10088097 >>10088091 It's horribly offensive to Junko Furuta's family and it mars her memory. I say that it's immoral.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:39:47 2012 No.10088102 >>10088094 They were just sad that a familiar person has died. It was less of a "we have to bury this dead guy, because it's the right thing to do" and more of a "grandma' be ded! Here have flower grandma' likey flower!"

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:41:02 2012 No.10088107 >>10088070 I think I understand now. Yes. By your definition of morality this action is immoral. I started this debate thinking of my own definition of morality and forgetting people defined the word in different ways. My bad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:42:03 2012 No.10088113 >>10088079 >how could we possibly figure that there's an external absolute? If God says something is wrong then it is. End of story. His subjective opinion is objective fact.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:42:47 2012 No.10088110

>>10088102
More or less, probably. I don't think it's too far-fetched to think that a ritual practice could have moral, spiritual, or sentimental significance attached to it over time.

I mean, look at the religions that denounce certain foods as immoral. People will decide that it's important because it's a ritual or tradition, whether they understand why it's really important or not.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:44:32 2012 No.10088118

>>10088102
>They were just sad that a familiar person has died.

It was more than that, or they wouldn't have expended the energy needed to bury the body, or gather flowers to decorate the body with, or bury the body with various objects.

Consider that last point especially. If they didn't feel compelled to honor the dead, why would they leave objects with them? Making bone flutes and flint knives and whatnot isn't easy, and they're of much more use to the living than the deceased.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:45:47 2012 No.10088119 Was that doujin even made with sexual arousal as a goal?

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:46:17 2012 No.10088121

>>10088070
>Therefore, when someone isn't respecting the dead, they're being immoral.
No, I think that would be amoral. Do we consciously respect the dead? Especially those that we are not familiar or even aware of? Even in the case of a guy masturbating to a dead girl, the action is morally gray because he doesn't have any connection to the girl. Now if he was her friend and he did it, THEN I would say it's immoral. It's the intent behind it rather than the act itself, I say.

>>10088113
Well shit, you got me!

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:47:34 2012 No.10088124

>>10088107
>Yes. By your definition of morality this action is immoral.

My definition just so happens to be shared by every culture to have ever existed. The dead must be respected.

And as I said before, sociobiologists and anthropologists and whatnot would classify the obligation to respect the dead as a universal human behavior, making it much more than a point of view.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:48:03 2012 No.10088128 >>10088119 Uh, yeah. Otherwise Junko wouldn't have had huge breasts, and it wouldn't depict her sexual torture with such intimate detail.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:48:03 2012 No.10088129 >>10088079 What is subjectively experience is merely hypothetical, a universal maxim ought to transcend hypothetical considerations. It is a course of action that should be taken regardless of condition.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:48:34 2012 No.10088126 >>10088121 I'd say him killing her would be immoral. Masturbating to it after the fact is not, doesn't even matter if he killed her. People should stop associating "immorality" with acts that do not harm anyone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:49:03 2012 No.10088133 >>10088124 If your argument it's wrong to not do it because humans universally do it (how can it even be possible to NOT do it if you claim this?) then you're committing the naturalistic fallacy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:50:03 2012 No.10088135 >>10088126 >People should stop associating "immorality" with acts that do not harm anyone. It harms the family to know that their daughter's ordeal became fap material for guro fetishists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:50:04 2012 No.10088138 >>10088128 Maybe it just wasn't to depict it truthfully. I read it and didn't feel anything sexual, nor did I feel disgusted by the fact that it had been drawn.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:51:03 2012 No.10088140 >>10088133 I'm not saying it's natural, I'm saying it's integral. It's a vital human characteristic. Humans need morals because society can't function otherwise. Some of those morals apply to those who aren't still living.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:52:48 2012 No.10088144

>>10088118
What if humans evolved to honor the dead because genes that were expressed as honoring the dead provided a survival advantage by keeping predators away with their bizarre practices, regardless of what they they had in mind when doing it?

If 99% of humans ate apples every day, would it be morally wrong not to?

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:53:03 2012 No.10088145

>>10088124
I'm not sure I agree with the jump you're making from cultural norms (universal or not) to morality there. Respecting the dead is fine and all, but from a logical standpoint I don't think agreement (even near-universal) necessarily leads to fact on its own. There's usually more to it than that.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:54:44 2012 No.10088152

>>10088140
How can you back up your claim that society would collapse if people didn't respect the dead? In the first place, your idea of "society" would include all the details that almost universally exist, thus begging the question.

Society without honoring the dead would not be society, because society honors the dead, therefore society requires the honoring of the dead.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:55:12 2012 No.10088156

>>10088124
> My definition just so happens to be shared by every culture to have ever existed. The dead must be respected.

This is not true. My definition is very common. The definition found in the dictionary for instance aligns with my definition of morality.

> Principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.

I'm not saying your definition is wrong. And I also feel that people should respect the dead. I just use the word "morality" differently than you do.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:55:27 2012 No.10088157

>>10088129
>subjectively experience is merely hypothetical
>universal maxim
You're entering Kantian territory here. I'm afraid I can't keep up. What implies a universal, objective morality when the very concept is rooted in human thinking? That is to say, if humans didn't exist, would morality exist?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:55:42 2012 No.10088159 File: 16 KB, 200x228, slow breaking news.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10086765 Even 10 fucking years ago it would have been considered old news.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:56:12 2012 No.10088168 >>10088140 You're lumping multiple separate concepts together here. Yes, the continued functioning of society relies on certain things like "don't murder", but that does not automatically mean that respect for the dead is one of those things.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:56:42 2012 No.10088163

>>10088144
>What if humans evolved to honor the dead because genes that were expressed as honoring the dead provided a survival advantage by keeping predators away with their bizarre practices, regardless of what they they had in mind when doing it?

We can fucking speculate all we want, but the point is that society needs morals, and some of those morals apply to the dead, whatever the purpose of that may be is irrelevant, it's the way things work with us as humans.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:57:57 2012 No.10088170

>>10088135
>It harms the family to know that their daughter's ordeal became fap material for guro fetishists.
It "harms" me to know that people like what I don't like and don't like what I like.

What nonsense. The only way it would harm them is enraging them and make them want them scorned for doing nothing that damages their persons or their property.

Anonymous Mon Nov 19 23:59:27 2012 No.10088178

>>10088163
Another aspect of the way things work with us as humans is our ability to think and reason out why we should and shouldn't do certain things. Discuss abstract concepts. Decide when a tradition or taboo is not worth holding on to, or on the other hand, why it is worth holding on to.

Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:00:27 2012 No.10088182

>>10088152
>How can you back up your claim that society would collapse if people didn't respect the dead?

When the fuck did I claim that?

But yeah, if we started chipping away at the morals which bind all society then society would probably fall apart.

>Society without honoring the dead would not be society, because society honors the dead, therefore society requires the honoring of the dead.

I'm defining society in the anthropological sense you moron. A group of humans working together.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:01:42 2012 No.10088188 >>10088118 >>10088163 Are you seriously using the hereditary instinctual behavior of half-sentient cavemen as as a model for what modern society needs to be like? On 4chan of all places?

Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:02:27 2012 No.10088190

>>10088178
Well, in that case, masturbating to a dead girl implies a lack of empathy, which is something humans find to be important. Contradicting this, however, is the abundance of violence in our media, though there's a reason we don't think about the dead bad guy; he's bad.

Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:03:42 2012 No.10088195

>>10088168
>but that does not automatically mean that respect for the dead is one of those things.

But it is. Along with "don't murder" and "don't steal" and whatnot "don't fuck with the dead" is a part of the moral system which sustains culture. How do we know this? The fact that every culture ever has had a "don't fuck with the dead" rule is one clue.

But then for all we know, "don't murder" might not be completely necessary either, right?

Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:05:12 2012 No.10088204

>>10088182
>I'm saying it's integral. It's a vital human characteristic.
>Humans need morals because society can't function otherwise. Some of those morals apply to those who aren't still living.

If that's not what you claimed you really, really need to learn to express yourself better.

Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:05:12 2012 No.10088205

>>10088188
>half-sentient

Hurr, because minds worked so much differently tens of thousands of years ago, right? We're evolved so far so fast, we're practically a different species!

Anyway cavemen were not half-sentient they were fully sapient you fucking moron, they wouldn't have had language and culture otherwise.

Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:05:28 2012 No.10088206

>>10088182
Slippery slope fallacy. "We can't stop respecting the dead because respecting the dead is a moral value and if we started discarding moral values all the time then society would collapse."

Where do you get your assumption that discarding this moral that you are reluctant to claim would lead to society's collapse would result in more changes that would then cause society's collapse?

It would be the same as arguing that you shouldn't legalize marijuana because cocaine should not be legalized.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:06:12 2012 No.10088216 >>10088206 Shut up with your "fallacy" shit. This isn't some philosophical debate about plato's imaginary cave or whatever.. We're talking about real issues.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:06:27 2012 No.10088211 >>10088204 >If that's not what you claimed you really, really need to learn to express yourself better. Or you need to stop digging so far for implications. But yeah, I was basically saying that, although in a much less stupid and melodramatic way.

Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:06:27 2012 No.10088212

>>10088195
"Don't murder" is different. Disregarding this norm puts people in danger. In the act of self-preservation, it's important.

Why is respecting the dead important? How does this sustain our well-being. Is it vital as a more? Of course, direct disrespect of one's past loved one could endanger you, but if it's disconnected and abstract, why not?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:06:57 2012 No.10088215 >>10088190 >Well, in that case, masturbating to a dead girl implies a lack of empathy, ding ding ding ding ding!

Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:08:27 2012 No.10088220

>>10088195
>But it is. Along with "don't murder" and "don't steal" and whatnot "don't fuck with the dead" is a part of the moral system which sustains culture. How do we know this? The fact that every culture ever has had a "don't fuck with the dead" rule is one clue.
Circular logic.

>But then for all we know, "don't murder" might not be completely necessary either, right?
It might not be. I guess we'll have to actually take a second to think about it, huh? Or would questioning any moral belief at all mean everyone on the planet immediately abandons the belief forever?

Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:08:27 2012 No.10088221

>>10088211
>Or you need to stop digging so far for implications.
People gave you the benefit of the doubt in assuming your argument was actually valid, and therefore you must have been claiming that it would collapse.

But no, your argument didn't follow any kind of valid logic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:09:12 2012 No.10088226 >>10088216 Fallacies reveal improper logic, which leads to holes in one's argument. If you want to get down to the truth, you need to examine them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:09:27 2012 No.10088227 >>10088216 Logic applies to real-world discussions as much as it would to any philosophical debate, chum.

Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:10:01 2012 No.10088236

>>10088157
>I'm afraid I can't keep up.
That's why I said I'd rather avoid it, I don't think even a small minority is familiar with kantian philosophy or ontology to even argue the concept of universal on this board. Morality theories are still things actively discussed by philosophers, you know.

>What implies a universal, objective morality when the very concept is rooted in human thinking? That is to say, if humans didn't exist, would morality exist?

I think you are being too deep for your own sake. Morality is not rooted on a higher authority or anything, certainly Kant's morality isn't, but on pure practical reason. Reason is supposedly apart from empirical means or thinking, and thus, is not subjective because it does not depend on the senses (think Plato's analogy of the cave, empirical thinking is watching the shadows on the cave, and pure reason is on the world of ideas).

I think I know where you are getting here, and are going to claim that human thinking is subjective, but for that, I think you need to understand what does Kant means by pure practical reason, and I think it is a concept that goes beyond both our little heads.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:10:45 2012 No.10088235 >>10088205 I was referring to Neanderthals, who were apparently quite different from us in terms of sentience, and as a previous poster (possibly yourself?) said: >scientists don't even believe that they had culture.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:11:01 2012 No.10088238 >>10088206 I think you lost all credibility with your drug analogy. Go smoke a bowl and leave moral choices to responsible adults. Fucking libtard.

Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:12:01 2012 No.10088247

>>10088212
>Why is respecting the dead important?

I've never attempted to answer that. All I've argued is that it is important, and that anyone who thinks that Junko Furuta deserves no respect of any kind is contradicting their very nature in the attempt to be EDGY.

We as humans are obliged to respect the dead. That's something we've always done, it's something the higher animals do. So anyone who maintains that there is nothing wrong with jerking off to a guro doujin about Junko Furuta isn't being honest with themselves.

>>10088206
Again, I never actually claimed that. And I just suggested that the collapse of any society which decided to leave their dead unburied in a ditch could happen. You're the one taking my arguments to an extreme here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:13:45 2012 No.10088248 >>10088238 You don't really have much use for logic, I take it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:14:15 2012 No.10088250 >>10088216 If this is how you reason, please do stick to commenting on obscure and irrelevant philosophical problems exclusively, so you will not hurt anyone by poisoning discussions about "real issues" with your faulty logic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:15:00 2012 No.10088254 Hey guys what are you all arguing about? Can I join in the conservations?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:16:00 2012 No.10088259 >>10088254 yes which touhou is the most morally righteous (besides the yama)

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:16:15 2012 No.10088255 >>10086841 what about if p=np?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:16:30 2012 No.10088258 >>10088235 I never distinguished the Neanderthals from the elephants who revere the skulls of their relatives.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:20:00 2012 No.10088272 >>10088268 Also, that doujin is extremely offensive to Junko Furuta's family, and that's immoral also.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:20:15 2012 No.10088268 >>10088254 >Hey guys what are you all arguing about? The guro h-doujin depicting the real life torture and murder of Junko Furuta is immoral because morality require us to respect the dead. Others disagree.

Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:21:45 2012 No.10088274

>>10088247
>I've never attempted to answer [why it's important]. All I've argued is that it is important.
Simply reading that gave me a headache.

>We as humans are obliged to respect the dead.
Any lynch mob would laugh at you, before dumping your mutilated body in front of your nearest relatives.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:22:45 2012 No.10088279 >>10088274 >Any lynch mob would laugh at you, before dumping your mutilated body in front of your nearest relatives. so edgy

Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:23:15 2012 No.10088281

>>10088247
> anyone who thinks that Junko Furuta deserves no respect of any kind is contradicting their very nature in the attempt to be EDGY.

But you haven't established why. To say that people should believe it's wrong requires that people understand why it's wrong; if you can't or won't do that, why would you expect everyone else to?

I think it would be much more accurate to say that being disgusted by the doujin or the act of jerking off to it is what's in our nature, if anything. Whether or not it's immoral is still up in the air.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:23:15 2012 No.10088282 >>10088272 Offending people is immoral now?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:23:45 2012 No.10088285 >>10088279 Don't pretend to be me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:24:30 2012 No.10088288 >>10088282 Depending on the severity of the offense, yes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:24:30 2012 No.10088289 >>10088285 I couldn't keep it to myself, it is one of his most edgy posts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:25:32 2012 No.10088292 >>10088279 I blame Go Nagai.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:25:32 2012 No.10088293 >>10088279 He has a point. Respecting the dead isn't universal when you consider in-group / out-group relations.

Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:25:47 2012 No.10088295

>>10088236
>but for that, I think you need to understand what does Kant means by pure practical reason
This is exactly why I avoid most philosophy. It becomes esoteric from the get-go. However, if it is anything like Plato's theory of Forms, then it can definitely be debated.

From the Wikipedia entry for Pure Practical Reason:
>It is the reason that drives actions without any sensible incentives.
The fundamental problem is that you would need to show that something like this exists to begin with.

If you say that it's all subjective, rooted in a pro-con system then you avoid that question. The moral exists because you exist and have formulated it. The compromise as a whole of humanity gives rise to our mores and code. This idea also explains the idiosyncrasies between cultures and individuals and why crime exists.

However, I'm sure that I've oversimplified his concept.

Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:26:33 2012 No.10088296

>>10088281
>To say that people should believe it's wrong requires that people understand why it's wrong; if you can't or won't do that, why would you expect everyone else to?

Because respecting the dead was beneficial to us from an evolutionary standpoint somehow, okay? We all evolved with an innate sense of morals which includes respecting the dead. I don't know why, but that's the way it is, and that's why exploiting the death of Junko Furuta is a bad thing to do.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:28:32 2012 No.10088298 >>10088293 >Respecting the dead isn't universal when you consider in-group / out-group relations. That's not why Junko was killed. She was killed because a group of her schoolmates got off to sadistic and prolonged torture.

Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:29:47 2012 No.10088302

>>10088296
Your initial argument was not compelling and repeating it does not make it more compelling.
The vast majority of people would be quite disgusted with the doujin and it is very likely natural to be disgusted. That's really as far as you can go with the arguments you've got.

Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:30:17 2012 No.10088304

>>10088293
Rather than considering group relationships, ideally we should judge a certain action based on several different moral systems, and then arrive to a conclusion and be happy with our lives.

I don't particularly think that angry mob mutilating a body will really fair well on any system, if any. It's a pretty senseless action. You are free to research a moral system and then arrive to a conclusion on why is it morally righteous based on this or that theory, but I don't think you'll reach any.

Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:31:29 2012 No.10088309

>>10088296
The innate sense of morals I've inherited from 4 billion years of evolution apparently does not include respect for the dead. Since it's evolution and nature, it must be right. What now, faggot?

It's also worth noting that the Japanese media's reaction to Junko's story (as with most other rape cases) was anything but respectful for the victim. I believe the gist of it was "eh, stupid slut had it coming."

Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:33:27 2012 No.10088311

>>10088247
>I've never attempted to answer that. All I've argued is that it is important, and that anyone who thinks that Junko Furuta deserves no respect of any kind is contradicting their very nature in the attempt to be EDGY.
Yes, but the argument has evolved, I agree that respecting the dead is important to culture. What we might be seeing, though, is a sign that the current more is outdated and unnecessary.

Our nature doesn't create morals, we do. We are not obligated to do anything, especially at the mandates of others. That would violate another, perhaps more contemporary, moral, our basic individual freedom.

Jerking off to a dead girl is naturally immoral, it depends on the context, the intent, and the people that judge. Your implying a universal human moral. That's not exactly correct. There's universal human behavior, but that doesn't necessitate status as a moral imperative.

Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:34:12 2012 No.10088314

>>10088309
>The innate sense of morals I've inherited from 4 billion years of evolution apparently does not include respect for the dead. Since it's evolution and nature, it must be right. What now, faggot?

Your sense of morality is atypical then. Your mindset is not conducive to a healthy society. You are a liability.

>It's also worth noting that the Japanese media's reaction to Junko's story (as with most other rape cases) was anything but respectful for the victim. I believe the gist of it was "eh, stupid slut had it coming."

Uh, no, that's not what I've read.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:34:42 2012 No.10088316 >>10088298 Junko's torture and murder actually has nothing to do with the discussion, we're merely interested in people's reactions to it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:34:42 2012 No.10088317 >>10088304 I agree with you, but you're going off on a tangent. Consciously judging an action is what I'm arguing for.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:35:27 2012 No.10088319 >>10088311 >jerking off to a dead girl is naturally immoral *Sorry, meant to say AMORAL rather than immoral.

Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:36:12 2012 No.10088323

"When I say that all men have the mind which cannot bear to see the suffering of others, my meaning may be illustrated thus: Now, when men suddenly see a child about to fall into a well, they all have a feeling of alarm and distress, not to gain friendship with the child's parents, nor to seek the praise of their neighbors and friends, nor because they dislike the reputation of lack of humanity if they did not rescue the child. From such a case, we see that a man without the feeling of commiseration is not a man; a man without the feeling of shame and dislike is not a man; a man. without the feeling of deference and compliance is not a man; and a man without the feeling of right and wrong is not a man. The feeling of commiseration is the beginning of humanity; the feeling of shame and dislike is the beginning of righteousness; the feeling of deference and compliance is the beginning of propriety; and the feeling of right and wrong is the beginning of wisdom. Men have these Four Beginnings just as they have their four limbs. Having these Four Beginnings, but saying that they cannot develop them is to destroy themselves."

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:37:13 2012 No.10088332 >>10088304 >I don't particularly think that angry mob mutilating a body will really fair well on any system, if any. It's a pretty senseless action Lynch mobs are just as, if not more, innate and natural a part of human behavior as funerals.

Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:40:12 2012 No.10088342

>>10088295
>However, I'm sure that I've oversimplified his concept.
I personally think you are overthinking it, I've found that the existence of reason and thinking are taken for granted on ontological discussions.

I like to think that a reason that is outside sensible incentives do exist, because reason is formally defined. Just to illustrate this, it'd be like saying that a triangle may have three or four sides depending on the perspective. The notion that triangles can only have three sides, or that any three points can form a triangle or what have you are mathematical axioms not up for debate, and they are reached from formal thinking and not from drawing many triangles and seeing that, indeed, they all have three sides.

But I dunno.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:41:29 2012 No.10088345 Who gives a shit if it's wrong, I aint hurting anybody. #yolo #freegaza

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:42:59 2012 No.10088352 >>10088332 Then however said that morality is born from human nature is wrong, apparently. That's what you wanted to hear?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:43:14 2012 No.10088354 >>10088332 This is true. Where do you think bullying comes from and why it never ends. We are a two faced species.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:44:31 2012 No.10088361 People forcing their morality down their throat is the only thing that makes me mad. Perhaps, could the rejection of moral codes a part of my moral system?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 00:47:00 2012 No.10088373 >>10088361 >People forcing their morality down their throat is the only thing that makes me mad. If society is going to work the same rules have to apply to everyone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 12:54:54 2012 No.10090672 I'm in the weird part of the internet XD

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 20 13:35:33 2012 No.10090884 >>10086726 This video and movie still turned me on in a strange way...IN 2009 WHEN THE MOVIE CAME OUT! Get on my Otaku level. Foolz

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