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Kanji damage is off

>> No.10066840

sono kimochi when watashi can't benkyou the kanji

>> No.10066878

how can I take it easy like this?

>> No.10066884

it's tedious, but go to "Browse items" in your anki KD deck and study from there

>> No.10066887

>>10066840

i actually understood that wow i guess all that hard time benkyouing nihnongonese is finally paying off

>> No.10066891

Oh darn, and I was totally going to catch up on it today. Oh well, guess I'll just shitpost my day away.

>> No.10067123

>>10066884
I don't have a KD deck

>> No.10067147

>>10067123
do you even reps?

>> No.10067171

>>10067147
I do my own decks, I'm not a bitch

>> No.10067175

>>10067147

LOL

>>>/a/

>> No.10067476

>>10067175
I'm sorry for not knowing more than a thousand or so Kanji. I'm getting there, but I don't know enough to do much with 'em, without lookups every minute.

>> No.10067491
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>>10067175
>/a/
get out

>> No.10067519

Come back quickly you piece of shit

>> No.10067566

>not using kanji.koohii

Stay secondary.

>> No.10067575

>>10067566
hipster

>> No.10067585

>>10066840
it should be "ano kimochi"
please remember the difference kudasai

>> No.10067601

>>10067585
Judging from these episode titles, both should be correct:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Aria_episodes

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Kanji damage is back!

Hooray!

>> No.10068024

>>10067795
excellent

>> No.10068075

>>10067795
>>10068024
FUCK NOW EVEN MORE WEEABOOS WILL LEARN JAPANESE

>> No.10068111

Why bother to learn mnemonics for on-yomi? Why not just learn it through vocab? I can understand using Heisig mnemonics because it connects the writing of the kanji to its meaning, so it will help people who have difficulty distinguishing kanji, but KD connects meaning to on-yomi. Seems like a waste.

>> No.10068126

>>10068111
Your mom is a waste.

>> No.10068150

>>10068126
I just think that you're going to have to learn vocabulary anyway, right? If you learn that 大 is だい and 学 is がく, you're still going to have to learn that 大学　（だいがく） is college/university/etc.. If you just learned 大学 you would learn both on-yomi and kill two birds with one stone.

>> No.10068153

>>10066840
That should be "benkyou suru".

>> No.10068160

>>10068150
But then you wouldn't get the other readings such as:
大いに
大した
大人

>> No.10068177

>>10068160
Then you would just need to memorize all of those readings individually as well, much like remembering spelling rules in English. Even though "cat" and "cater" are spelled similarly, we know from experience that they aren't pronounced similarly at all. Japanese features the same problem because both English and Japanese use a borrowed script.

>> No.10068179

>>10068160
You're still going to have to learn all of those words even if you do KD. For example, 大いに uses kun-yomi, so KD mnemonics won't even help you. I just think if you go straight to the vocabulary you can cut out the mnemonic middle-man and save time. Maybe it was easier for me since I had already done Heisig, though.

>> No.10068188

>>10068177
Of course some of them you will have to do individually. Like I said, KD mnemonics won't help on 大いに. But once you learn the reading of a kanji as its used in a word, you can apply that to other words. You're going to have to look up the words anyway, of course, even if you did KD, since some words use on and some kun.

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My dream is to start a translation group with an editor.

Only forever more to go!

>> No.10068221

>>10068179
>>10068188
So KD I think makes it a bit easier for you once you start vocab, but I don't see how it would make a large enough difference to justify going through almost 2,000 mnemonics when you can the same benefit from going straight to vocab.

>> No.10068249

>>10068111
1. ability to type kanji easily into online dictionaries
2. ability to sound out most jukugo without knowing them
3. more things to mentally associate together when learning vocabulary because I am terrible at learning vocabulary.

Also a lot of kanji with the same radical use the same on'yomi, and since KD teaches everything with the same new radical all at once, it is easier to realize this. "oh I learned 生, 姓, 性 and 星 today and they all have せい as an on'yomi"

>> No.10068266

>>10068249
>1. ability to type kanji easily into online dictionaries

Is that worth memorizing the mnemonics? I guess this didn't effect me since I used Heisig.

>2. ability to sound out most jukugo without knowing them

The best you can do is guess since you won't know if the word uses kun or on readings.

>3. more things to mentally associate together when learning vocabulary because I am terrible at learning vocabulary.

I don't really understand that since you're going to have be learning the words anyway, but okay.

>> No.10068281

>>10068266
If you already used Heisig there's no reason to use KD, it would be mostly redundant I assume.

>> No.10068287

>>10068281
Of course. I'm talking about someone starting fresh. If you don't have enough trouble with kanji to need Heisig then it seems worthwhile to just go straight to vocab. I'm not talking about using KD for myself.

>> No.10068430

>>10068287
I think it sort of depends on the learner.
For example, I find verbal mnemonics a bit strange and very hard to recall.
Must be because I tend to think in meanings and images rather than specific words and phrases. Never could memorize poetry or song lyrics too well either, probably due to this. So rtk worked pretty well for me.

But I guess it's different for some people. Some may prefer exact phrases. So if they're gonna use those anyway, may as well tack on a reading at little/no cost.
I think there's a small long term drawback, though. Getting rid of the mnemonic later on is probably harder, since learners become dependent on the exact wording rather than focusing on just the shape. But I can't say for sure, obviously.

>> No.10068502

>>10068430
I think many people don't realize how different RtK and KD are. They're not a replacement for each other. RtK is for people with poor visual memory who need help with kanji. KD is for people who want to memorize the on-yomi along with kanji. I'm saying I don't think the KD model is beneficial since the same benefit of learning readings can be derived from just learning vocab, which you'll have ot do after KD anyway.

>> No.10068579

>>10068502
So you're saying it prioritizes memorizing onyomi, and not the characters themselves? I honestly thought it was basically rtk but with set verbal mnemonics and onyomi tacked on as extra. That's the impression I got, anyway.

Then I suppose I agree, it is easier to memorize readings in context. Not to mention, much less stressful.
Uh, I'm not the guy you were arguing with a few posts prior, though.

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10068724

Two mnemonics. TWO.

>> No.10068749

It just don't matter.

Either way works.

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