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Kids and normalfags are at school or work, so let's try this again. Sorry about yesterdays copypasta, last thread was shat.

I've been lately been more and more into China instead of Japan. It all started after I read of Touhou lore, and noticed how many references to Touhou has to real Japanese mythology, and then when I read about Japanese mythology I noticed that most of their stuff comes from China. Then I took even closer look to that, and the amount of Chinese culture embedded in Japanese culture is really baffling. Toori in shinto temples originates from China, for instance. The moon rabbit, "drinking the moon" and even sakura watching has origins in China (although in China they watch plum blossoms).

Here's the real bomb: Japanese art is heavily influenced by Chinese 工笔 (pic related) art style, and techniques from that style are used in drawing manga! Finally the amount of loanwords from chinese is surreal. As a result, I'm nowadays almost as much of a zhongboo as weeaboo.

Any other zhongboos around? Any intresting similarities to share?

>> No.10061135

/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>> No.10061148

Did you mean zhonganese instead of wapanese?

>> No.10061172

How many 2hus does China have?

>> No.10061175

No OP

You are the normalfags

>> No.10061178

>>10061132
Well, it's just like entire Europe being influenced by ancient Greece and Rome. Nothing strange about it.

>> No.10061189

>>10061172
Ran, Chen, Seiga, and Meiling.

Did I miss anyone?

>> No.10061246

Supposedly the wolf tengu from Touhou were inspired on the chinese dog demon Tiangou, since wolf tengus doesn't exist in japanese mythology

Or maybe ZUN just thought it was a cool idea

>> No.10061293

>>10061189
Yoshika. Her body may be Japanese, but her youkai species are purely of Chinese origin.

>Ran, Chen

Explain.

>> No.10061298

>>10061293
Chen because of the name, Ran I have no idea why he mentioned.

>> No.10061300

>>10061189
Yoshika. How's Chen except for name?

>> No.10061324
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>>10061298
Just dd'd that. Celestial fox is of Chinese origin. Japanese kitsune is a slight variation.
http://academia.issendai.com/fox-chinese.shtml

Jinwei hu = nine tailed fox.

>> No.10061336

>>10061175
get a load of this butthurt weeaboo

>> No.10061348

>>10061324
Well that doesn't make her chinese, since jinwei hu is not a kitsune despite the similarities

>> No.10061361

>>10061348
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-tailed_fox#Chinese_version

>> No.10061360

>>10061298
>>10061300
I was just going off names for the shikigami. I thought Ran's name was also Chinese but I guess it's just the on-reading.

>> No.10061369

>Kids and normalfags are at school or work
Yeah no, the USA is not the only country in the world.

I have yet to figure out if this is some stupid inside meme. I doubt that because I have seen it used on other boards.

If you are doing this out of ignorance, fuck off. If the reason is the latter one, then go back to /a/ /v/ with you epic memes.

This could have been a 5/5 thread. Why did you have to ruin it?? WHY?!

>> No.10061373

>>10061361
You missed my point.

>> No.10061374

Meiling obviously

>> No.10061383

>>10061324
>>10061348

Isn't it called jiu wei hu (九尾狐)?

>> No.10061387

>>10061298
Not just the name Chen, but also the name of her theme song, Diao Ye Zong.

>> No.10061397

>>10061373
No I didn't.
Also, kitsune just means fox, wtf are you talking about?

>> No.10061411

>>10061397
Don't play retarded please. I'm saying that even though Chinese and Japanese mythology shares the nine-tailed fox, It doesn't make Ran chinese, as one guy said, because she is the japanese version, not the chinese one.

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>zhongboo
Oh god.

>> No.10061422

>>10061411
But you are the retarded one here, saying "the chinese version ins't a kitsune".
Of course she is.

>> No.10061431

Holy shit OP, I never realized this before. I had always assumed the Japanese simply existed on the island since the beginning of time. Who would have thought that it was possible for a group from china to cross the ocean, arrive at an island, and create a new civilization there. Now that I think about it, the proximity between the two countries is a pretty amazing coincidence.

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Found another one. This time it's about Okuu. Although apparently pretty much everyone east of Nile has three-legged crow representing Sun (strange).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanzuniao#China

>>10061369
I'm European as well, but most of the fags on 4chan are murricans. Deal with it.

>>10061387
But how is Chen related? Still a bit of mystery.

>> No.10061521

>>10061422
You are either looking for a quick "troll" or are thick-headed as fuck, because you keep misinterpreting what I say on purpose.

>> No.10061537

>>10061521
I don't know man.

Maybe if you had said Kyuubi (the mythical creature) instead of kitsune (an animal) you would sound less retarded.

>> No.10061589

>>10061132
Too bad modern Chinese culture sucks fucking dick.

>> No.10061598 [DELETED] 

>>10061537
This is just language being retarded.

In English, "kitsune" means "fox from Japanese folklore." Which is different from what the word 狐 pronounced kitsune in Japanese means (which would just be "fox"). It's a loanword whose meaning is not exactly the same as what it meant in the original language. A mythological fox in Japanese is a 妖狐 (youko) but in Chinese there are also 妖狐 (yao hu,) and of course not all of these have nine tails. Nine tailed foxes are 九尾 (kyuubi) in Japanese (actually 九尾の狐, kyuubi no kitsune, but frequently shortened) but in China they're also 九尾狐 (jiu wei hu). 九尾 (jiu wei) in Chinese is the Chinese name of the Pokemon Ninetales.

What a bitch it is to sort these things out.

>> No.10061614

>>10061537
This is just language being retarded.

In English, "kitsune" means "fox from Japanese folklore." Which is different from what the word 狐 pronounced kitsune in Japanese means (which would just be "fox"). It's a loanword whose meaning is not exactly the same as what it meant in the original language. A mythological fox in Japanese is a 妖狐 (youko,) so it might be more accurate to say that kitsune in English is the same as 妖狐 in Japanese. However, the Chinese also have 妖狐 (yao hu.) They would probably both use the same word to describe mythological foxes from either culture even though in English we would think of yaohu as being Chinese ones and youko as being Japanese. (Actually in Chinese they're more often called 狐狸精, hulijing, but that's neither here nor there.) And not all 妖狐 have nine tales. Nine tailed foxes are 九尾 (kyuubi) in Japanese (actually 九尾の狐, kyuubi no kitsune, but frequently shortened) but in China they're also 九尾狐 (jiu wei hu). 九尾 (jiu wei) in Chinese is the Chinese name of the Pokemon Ninetales.

What a bitch it is to sort these things out.

>> No.10061639

>>10061614
Oh, and the English Wikipedia, at any rate, has a separate article for hulijing. And, for that matter, kumiho, which is the Korean one.

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