/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Finals results are in!

[Anonymous No.]

It should all be in red.

[Anonymous No.]

Which one is Obama again?

[Anonymous No.]

I thought Alaskans were sensible people?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028475
Here you go, dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028488
truALASKA don't have human contact and don't vote.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm surrounded by dumbfuckistan!

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028488

Well, you see. No. Because they live in a freezing and depressing wasteland.

>>10028475
>>10028493

While I can't really disagree, I'd like to hear about your political leanings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028500
wow Alaska is really close

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028500
The Hispanics will soon paint it blue

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028510

Are you saying Colorado is Americkstan? I don't know how to feel about that... mostly because "stan" means land in Russian, so you're just calling us "Americaland."

Captcha: represented taxternt

[Anonymous No.]

Fixed that key for you, OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028510

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028532
why did I laugh

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028532
That'll be america soon once obongo implements his liberal muslim socialist marxist gay agenda!

[Anonymous No.]

Why is the United States still a single country when views are so geographically polarized?

I guess it's the senate; it stops either party actually doing what they actually want to do, so which ever party wins, it doesn't make a huge difference.

Pretty laughable that poor people vote for the party that wants to give the rich more money.

I'm not American.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028532
You have no idea how entertaining I'm finding this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028519
Texas has been Mexican since forever dude

[Anonymous No.]

>Pretty laughable that poor people vote for the party that wants to give the rich more money.
Yes, because giving the poor and stupid more rights and power is such a good idea.
Whilst we're at it, why don't we import more worthless niggers and spics?
It's not like we care about having a good economy, educated citizens, or a healthy nation.

[sage No.]

>Florida
>Ohio

LOL

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[Anonymous No.]

>>10028565

Please don't tell me you actually think high wage disparity is a good thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028548

We are one country still because our most famed politician (arguably) Abraham Lincoln, dedicated his life to it. His entire agenda was maintaining the Union despite the fact the north and south were killing each other as fast as possible.

A split might be good for us. We can get more done that way, and still trade goods. I just worry about what will happen when the American south collapses from its shitty religion-based policies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028699
Don't tell me you think that it is not the government's interference in everything that is causing the problem.

[Anonymous No.]

Why are people voting for Obama?

He did NOTHING good for America, they probably rigged the votes as well. Huray for freedum

[Anonymous No.]

I want a choice between two candidates that aren't retarded.

As it is, I'm stuck supporting the Democrats, and that blows.

Dear America please implement IRV in every possible race so I don't have to feel like a fucking moron bye.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028742
Because free shit is awesome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028735

I think it's more likely the global economic crisis, than anything else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028565
>It's not like we care about having a good economy, educated citizens, or a healthy nation.

Considering Republican'ts oppose everything that would lead to such things, I suppose they don't either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028724
That was the original idea behind the USA, but various presidents decided they wanted more power and made the federal government larger and here we are today.

[Anonymous No.]

The citizens vote doesn't even matter so it's irrelevant what social class voted for who.

The electoral college is what's killing this country. Politicians electing politicians to benefit politicians.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028789
The electoral college has been around for two hundred thirty six years and they seemed to be doing okay for a while.

[Anonymous No.]

stop bumping this shitty thread you trash whores

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028797
But now we let the inferiors vote and its broken because it lets them.

[Anonymous No.]

i didn't care who won, it's not like it would matter either way. Congress, governors, and local authorities are far more important in politics than one man with both hands tied behind his back who's little more than a political figure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028818

This x 100. The president can't do a damn thing without congress, and congress is about as useful as a rock right now.

[Anonymous No.]

One of these days I'm going to move to Singapore. This country is a fucking mess.

[Anonymous No.]

Threadly reminder that Dumbfuckistan still has the House majority.

Are you ready for 4 more years of nothing changing?

[Anonymous No.]

I SAID STOP BUMPING THIS THREAD YOU TRASH WHORES

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028850
Nokosage you fucking imbecile. www

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028850
What are you going to do about it, loser?

[Unnamed Book-Reading Youkai !denX47.muQ!!XUU92Uht5OG No.]

>>10028745
The party system itself blows.
It discourages free thinking. People just vote for someone purely on party rather than individual views.
And the system enables them by giving the "vote straight party" option.

George Washington denounced the idea of political parties.
And he felt it would be in our best interest not to get involved in foreign affairs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028857
lol this fucking retard missed the memo where the board autonokos now what a tryhard

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028857
If it really were being nokosaged it wouldn't be at the top of page zero all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028857

Not even necessary, as noko has been the default for months now: blank = noko, sage = nokosage.

[Anonymous No.]

I dunno why Americans complain so much about Obama. Considering America's circumstances after the crisis, it's a wonder the country isn't a second post-80s Russia.

I think the politics are just too ideological charged over there. There are times for more a more free marked approach and times for a social market model. All ideological battles would dissolve into thin air once they understand that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028864
If people just voted on individual views forming government would be extremely difficult. We don't "form governments" the way parliamentary democracies do but it frequently ends up looking like that anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028876
It has nothing to do with ideology. Literally half the country votes for a certain candidate because Fox News tells them to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028864
Unfortunately party system may be a necessary evil.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028864
It's not that bad if there are enough parties that most people can find one that loosely approximates their positions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028886
and the other half votes for the other guy cause nbc tells them to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028886
>because Fox News tells them to.

And you say that has nothing to do with ideology?

[Anonymous No.]

I don't see a point in why people keep citing the founder's wishes of a smaller government. It was a different time. I personally wouldn't want Jefferson running the government now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028864
>People just vote for someone purely on party rather than individual views.

Are there any systems of democracy (even just hypothetical ones) where you vote on specific issues, or perhaps specific people for different roles? I know a parliament or senate or even the general public do this for some issues, but I'm thinking something more akin to a political survey.

1. Should weed be legal?
[ ] "Yeah dude, 420 blaze it" -- Joe R. Stoner, Freedom Party
[ ] "For medical purposes only" -- Dr. Linxon, Sensible Party
[ ] "NO >:(" -- Random Old Fart, Evil Party

Then they tally up the general public's votes, and have a mixed government (e.g. if everyone voted for John Smith to be Head of Foreign Affairs, then he would be Head of Foreign Affairs), or we get a custom policy based on what the people want (and appropriate people are hired for the job).
Obviously there'd be some clashing, but it's dumb that we have this binary system where you pick all of Column A or all of Column B, and Columns C through F might as well not exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028935
>Are there any systems of democracy (even just hypothetical ones) where you vote on specific issues

Yes, Switzerland does this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028876

The trouble is actually getting people to understand that. I try to explain why the slowdown has a lot to do with the common man not having any money because the rich are a bunch of hoarders, but there's this refusal to talk about issues.

>>10028923

I agree. What was effective 2 and half centuries ago will not be effective now. Even if the intent of the 2nd amendment was to allow anyone to have a gun, regardless of whether or not they were part of a well-regulated militia... the amendment was written over 2 centuries ago. Many things have changed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028905
Yes. They're both faggots. Ron Paul should have been president.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028942

beat me to the punch. The swiss do true democracy right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028935
You'd run the risk of overcomplicating things though. Also it wouldn't work well with our federalist system.

Our system of government is pretty interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

Romney was a crazy psycho and it's good that he didn't win.

He spent 25,000 dollars on fireworks anticipating his victory, he was too arrogant to even consider the idea that he was going to lose (even though all of the polls would have told you that) so he never bothered to prepare a concession speech, and he went into shock after hearing the news that he lost.

Rich, arrogant asshole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028935
The issue here is the same issue with every democracy. You end up with the majority oppressing the minority.

Civil rights should be a matter of common sense and not just up for vote, otherwise you can end up with china-esque internet censorship just because dumbfuckistanians who don't even live in your state decided for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028959

Laws are already overcomplicated, I doubt allowing direct democracy would make it all that much more complicated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028976
That clashes with deep seated American values of state powers and probably wouldn't be too popular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028971

Yes, because nothing really boosts a campaign like admitting defeat.

I hate the guy too, but there's no wriggle room on this sort of thing in 'murican politics. You need to walk that idiotic line that is socially acceptable, and giving up just because the fact say to is, sadly, a minority in social opinion.

[Unnamed Book-Reading Youkai !denX47.muQ!!XUU92Uht5OG No.]

>>10028923
Because most of these people don't actually want a smaller government, they want minimized _federal_ government.
The 10th amendment gives powers to the states if there's nothing on a higher level that says otherwise.
And usually with state constitutions that power is likewise pushed down to the decision of local county/city governments.
You have more freedoms this way because if you don't like the way something is done you can just move. But with a strong centralized federal system you'd be forced to leave the country.

What the fuck does this have to do with otaku culture though?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028742
Because muh black presidunt show da world we got pruhgress.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028923
I'm tired of people only using this argument for parts of the constitution they don't agree with. You can't say "T-THE CONSTITUTION IS OUTDATED, WE SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO HAVE GUNS" and then turn around and say "I STILL WANT FREE SPEECH." Stop cherry picking you fucking faggots.

[Anonymous No.]

Not that I know much, but just from seeing the map it feels like the vast majority of USA wanted Romney. Unless the red colored states are pretty much deserted.

Also funny how the red states are the ones making most of the food and resources.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028982

Probably. As long as states are able to pass certain laws, (such as legalizing marijuana and gay marriage) I think our republic is a decent compromise between a democracy and republic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028485
The black one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028998
land mass doesn't equate more people

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028998

They are deserted.

And, unfortunately for them, the current free market economy that they love so much makes food and resources very cheap.

These red states also are the ones taking money from the federal government, while it's the blue states that are a net positive for the food stamp and welfare programs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028998
>Unless the red colored states are pretty much deserted.

With the exception of Texas, they are. Montana is fucking huge, yet only like 4 people are living there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028998

USA uses a first past the post system, so even if a candidate gets more votes, their opponent can win if they passed the post first.

The blue areas do have more people, though.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't completely understand how the elections in the US work. I mean if the electoral votes are what really count then why do citizens go to vote?

Excuse my ignorance, but I just don't get it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028988
This person is a ban evader known as Tokiko. Please refrain from responding, report and hide his replies and/or posts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028988
But with the issues and policies becoming more international there's a need for the expansion of the federal government. Also states are no longer as isolated from one another as it was back then. But I'm not disagreeing with your basic idea though, but I think we just disagree on practice.

>>10028995
>cherry picking
The beauty of the constitution is the some what vague-ness of it. The gun topic is a separate issue, but trying to follow it to the dot or with the same literal intent of the writers is foolish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029030
Thanks for the heads up. Reporting him for illegal content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029027

So America thinks they're free and actually have any say at all in what their country does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029024
>Michigan
>Louisiana
>anything but complete welfare whales
yah nah yer a cunt

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029027
It was designed in mind to prevent "mob rule". The founders did not have a high opinion of the common man, seeing that they were a bunch of rich merchants. Thought it could be argued that it's outdated in modern times, and I generally agree.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028995

Free speech is a slightly different to the matter of firearms, which aren't what they were at the time of writing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029027
>>10029046

Whether it is electoral or popular, any individual counts for a fraction of a fraction of a percentage point of the vote. The electoral college is a holdover from our founding years, something designed to help favor minority parties. The irony is that now that same system is keeping minority parties out of politics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029049
lel

[Unnamed Book-Reading Youkai !denX47.muQ!!XUU92Uht5OG No.]

>>10029030
No. You are Tokiko.
and this thread has fuck all to do with otaku culture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028488
they're ironically voting republican, even though majority of alaskans are on government assistance, and the state itself has the highest ratio of federal monies taken to tax dollars given.

they are, in short, THE welfare state.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029055
>>10029061
So much for democracy.

[Anonymous No.]

>People calling the south racist
>thats where the most blacks live
>if its so racist why dont they move up north?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029076
Well state "Democrat" and "Republicans" are quite different from the federal level.

>>10029087
People tend to glorify the founders a lot, but if they really looked at them...

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029087
Meant to quote >>10029063
not >>10029061

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029093

I think crushing poverty might have something to do with that.

[tripfiend !Y8SckMYezs No.]

>>10028971
He also cut off his campaign staff's credit cards the moment it was clear he had lost.
In the middle of night. So that they couldn't pay for their cab rides or hotel rooms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029087

Yeah, our elections are a joke. I have a small amount of hope since our state legalized marijuana, but overall, this country is fucked and rightfully so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029113
>but overall, this country is fucked and rightfully so.

I can understand teh negativity but we've honestly been in much worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029111

BUSINESSMAN 2012 FOR PRESIDENT YYYYYEEEEAAAHHHHH

That's how to repay your supporters, amirite? What a fucking douche.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029066
Suck my dick, Tokiko.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029042
Vague? I'd say "Freedom of speech", "Freedom to bear arms", "Freedom of press", are all pretty fucking specific. Yes they're broad, but they're specifically broad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029024
>>10029076

So, pic related isn't just the opinion of a few deluded fools? Are they even aware how contradictory that is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029066
You engineered your trip-persona to imitate him and leech off his success somewhat (using a stolen name, to boot), so why do you complain when people make these accusations? You even had an argument with him on 4-ch.

It's like you're trolling yourself. Or is this all part of it and WHABT?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029118

No, no we haven't. The effects of our problems just aren't readily apparent like they were in the past. Global warming and a lack of a solution to our energy problems are just a couple in a long, long list. And none of them are being solved because of the radical differences between the two parties that control our country.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029128
Holy fuck don't turn this into an argument about your rights, I thought we were arguing about the role and size of the federal government

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029132

This picture resonates strongly with my ironic spirit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029066
Suck my dick, Tokiko.
He does use the same trip as Tokiko did with his `Nameless Book-Reading Youkai' namefagging; also he uses the same SECURE TRIP he used.
He posted so many times tokiko images, named the same way Tokiko used to post them.

Coincidence? Troll? No. Just Tokiko. Report, hide, ignore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029137

Doesn't help that some seem to believe non-renewable energy sources are effectively infinite, and global warming is not occurring (anthropogenic or not).

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029137
The rampant corruption of the Guilded Age, the Depression, or the Cold War seemed worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029165
It's not a coincidence because it's not true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029180
https://fuuka.warosu.org/jp/?task=search2&ghost=yes&search_text=&search_subject=&sea
rch_username=&search_tripcode=!!XUU92Uht5OG&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search
_dateto=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=old&se
arch_res=post

Now fuck off, Tokiko.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029111
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029198

Wow, it actually is a sound.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone have that map where it lists the biggest problem in each state?

[Anonymous No.]

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-too-big-to-fail-banks-are-now-much-bigger-and-much-m
ore-powerful-than-ever

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029198
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2012/11/Two-Tales-of-Mitt-Romneys-Post-Campaign-Treatment-of-
His-Staff

[Anonymous No.]

Does this mean that Tokiko lied to me on steam when he said he wasn't Unnamed Book-Reading Youkai? ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029132

It's not just a few, and they don't realize the contradiction, sadly. These people don't like to be confronted with the facts, so when people like me try to at least question their thinking (or lack thereof), it just leads to name-calling. Obama being called a Muslim communist is rather mild for these people, to be honest.

I personally feel this lack of thought is symptomatic of religious fundamentalism, but that's a very sensitive topic here. It's why the atheists of the united states are so much more adamant and aggressive towards Christians. The feeling is that we need to kill their establishment as quickly as possible, because the anti-rational thinking that goes into justifying the existence of a god can also be used to justify these awful policies.

The result of this ignorance is this tea-party 'movement'. While incredibly destructive to political discourse, it seems that it will be beneficial to the democrats in the long term because it is dividing the republican party from the inside and creating candidates like Romney, who no moderate can vote for in good conscience.

Somehow the forward thinkers have managed to educate my generation well enough to at least look at the issues, which is why so many of the young voters are liberal... but it shouldn't have to come to hijacking our education system. I suppose they have done what needed to be done, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029192
I don't see what this is supposed to show.

[Unnamed Book-Reading Youkai !denX47.muQ!!XUU92Uht5OG No.]

>>10029165
I appended an "insecure" tripcode so I could verify my identity on ghost boards.
a few months later I decided to slightly change my name. I was never the Tokiko you are implying.

It's pretty obvious that you're Robert trying to get people to think I'm you though.

[Anonymous No.]

I'll just leave this here..

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029172

I'd say the only crisis in this country comparable to this is the Civil war.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029268

Wow. That's shocking, as a white man who voted for Obama.

But the older white men are dying off, slowly but surely. An election or two from now, I think there will be a major shift in both numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

I SAID

STOP BUMPING THIS THREAD

YOU SUBHUMAN NIGGER TRASH WHORES

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029300

Wouldn't it be easier to just hide the thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029300
>subhuman
weren't you permabanned, zunbar?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029284
I'd have to say that's quite an extreme. But yes, I do agree we are in trouble currently seeing how partisan our Congress have become.
I'm more worried about the loss of the power balance between the Dem and Rep as the Rep shy away the more moderate folks in the US because of the Tea Party's influence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029309
What the fuck? He never used that term.

You're really bad at /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029308
FUCK YOU, YOU HORRID SHITPOSTER

>>10029309
http://fuuka.warosu.org/jp/?task=search2&ghost=&search_text=subhuman&search_subject=&amp
;search_username=&search_tripcode=%21barYV1VtIA&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&se
arch_dateto=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=new&am
p;search_res=post

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029259
Why won't you just stop using the trip, you huge attention whore, then?
If you want to track your posts, change the name faggot and just use trip. No one gives a shit about you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029268
I find this very hard to believe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029300
stay le mad xD

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029323
NO, SERIOUSLY, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU

[Anonymous No.]

>>10028540
Because you found it humorous?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029320
That Obama only appeals to the so called minorities? Nah.

[Anonymous No.]

Here we go

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029327
you obviously give a shit or you wouldn't be talking to him about his tripcode

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029335
I figured Michigan would be murder or something, considering Detroit is here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029320

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-c-wilson/the-elephant-in-the-exit_b_2094354.html

It's from the huffingtonpost and they're super pro obama. Romney actually won both the male and female white vote, those making over 50k per year and the college educated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029355
nah, detroit is jobless deadbeats city, but it's not muderworth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029355

Murder isn't a bad thing, it's a way of life here in America. An acceptable alternative would be that blacks don't count as people so it's not technically considered murder.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029335
>Most mobile homes
So how's that wrong or bad?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029373
it means "white trash"

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029335
A lot of those don't really seem that bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029335
>Nerdiest
>infertilty
>ugly
>anti social
>porn
How is this shameful?
Looks like they just wanted anything to fill in with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029386

Is the porn state Utah? If yes, I find it pretty hilarious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10029399
Yeah it is Utah. Dem horny Mormons.