/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

So, I heard Sakuya pledge loyalty towards Devil. And yet in Eiyashou Extra Stage she blatantly refused immortality.

>Contradiction

[Anonymous No.]

>>10014551
Because she wants to stay human. Even with a bionic leg, she is still human. There is no contradiction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10014551

Alcohol + ZUN = retcon / plot hole

[Anonymous No.]

not canon

[Anonymous No.]

>>10014551
Since when did Sakuya have a fake leg?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10014805
They're getting ready for TH14

[Anonymous No.]

>>10014856
I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10014893
th_14 will be pirate themed, haven't you heard?

[Crime No.]

>>10014920
Seriously?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10014947
I've heard none of it, so I assume he's just pulling your leg.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10014953

[Anonymous No.]

That doujin...was stupid.
I mean, really stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10015570
show me a smart 2hu doujin

[Anonymous No.]

>>10015570
What's the name of it?

[Anonymous No.]

why do so many scandinavians like Sakuya

[Anonymous No.]

>>10015570
You don't what it is to live for centuries after the ones you cared about died.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10015570
It made sense to them.
Youkai are weird. Those SDM folk are nuts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10015584

[Anonymous No.]

>>10015695
Human beings learn to move on. It's wired into their brains. "IMMORTALITY SUCKS BECAUSE EVERYONE IS GONNA DIIIIE" is the dumbest thing fiction has ever come up with, many people have to deal with their grandparents, parents, and sometimes even siblings, friends, or spouse and children dying without being immortal, and they do. The only thing that's dangerous about immortality is boredom.

And there's all the more reason to become immortal if there are other immortals to hang out with.

[Anonymous No.]

OP here, actually I kinda forgot ever made this /thread

>>10015654

VINTAGE by Yakumi Sarai (zounose)

[Anonymous No.]

>>10015772
>and they do
Cool. Go find one of those people, and ask how they'd like doing that again, and again, and again, forever and ever. Oh, and when you get back, tell me how they're doing right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10016917
Remind me again, how does a person keep getting more parents and siblings?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019255
You're nitpicking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019266
Not at all. You only have one family. Being immortal doesn't make you magically grow more out of thin air. Having more spouses and children is your own choice, so you'll be prepared for the consequences (and have moved on from the old one) if you start a new family.

The only way you things can end up nearly as bad as you're trying to make it sound with "doing it again, and again, and again, forever" is if someone fell into a vicious cycle of throwing themselves into new relationships in order to try to recover from the last one ending, and even that is unlikely because of the simple fact that most relationships fail on their own anyway.

If anyone's nitpicking it's you. You're not only pulling up a very specific scenario but also completely neglecting the simple fact that being an immortal would completely change someone's perspective and goals in life as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019343
This immortal thingy talk, kinda reminds me on a question: "If you're granted a 250 yrs living what would you do?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019343
>You're not only pulling up a very specific scenario
How?

>but also completely neglecting the simple fact that being an immortal would completely change someone's perspective and goals in life as well.
Eventually, probably. But eternity is relentless. Your body is immortal, but your mind and self are not. Time will wear you down; that's what it does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019416
250 years of NEEThood.

Perhaps if I'm like 200 years old and they STILL haven't perfected life preservation technology then I suppose I'll dedicate myself to doing so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019431
>How?
As I said. After the initial 'wave' of dead loved ones the only further ones you'll experience will purely be self-inflicted. That's assuming you even decide to have a wife and children right away in the first place as well, considering the fact that being immortal and knowing it takes away a lot of the need to create a family to carry on your genes and legacy before it's too late.

>Eventually, probably. But eternity is relentless. Your body is immortal, but your mind and self are not. Time will wear you down; that's what it does.
I would presume with immortality comes agelessness and good health. How much does time really wear you down when you don't have to worry about your body and mind deteriorating? Getting old is a physical process. Your mind is already equipped to keep itself healthy over the years by discarding useless information and adapting to new circumstances, with an eternally young body it should be possible to preserve an eternally young mind as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019444
You're granted a life exactly 250 years long.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019444
You're missing the point here. after 250 years, you'll die. And not a single warrant that you'll live a healthy life.

So, what you're gonna do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019590
>>10019595
NEET it up for 250 years

[Anonymous No.]

>>10015695
Why not keep a real memento instead of cutting off her leg when she still needs it

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019627
because it wouldn't be unsetting

thats the whole point of the doujin

if it was yet anohter 'hurr durr im gonna miss u 5ever' shit with remilia and sakuya it would simply be forgettable, there are millions of those, same with mokou & keine and yukari & reimu

hell even his myouren doujin is like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019627
ZUN wanted to capitalize on cripple moe

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019642
I've seen a ton of the Remilia and Mokou ones, but I can't recall any Reimu-Yukari ones off the top of my head.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019648
http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/420164/absurdres-comic-death-gap-hakurei_reimu-hat-high_h

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019663
That one's not even a Yukari doujin, though, that one's just Reimu-dies-and-everybody-ever-deals-with-it.

Well, I guess the first page is long and exclusive enough to count.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019648
He probably confused Y&Re with obvious Mari&Ali.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019686
...also sage for serious discussion of silly touhou grimderp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019694
Nah, grimderp is something else.

Most of these are sappy at worst.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019627

You don't really know what Devil's contract is, do you? Sakuya can be considered "very" lucky just losing a leg, and can get away with it. A lot of people, losing not only their body, but also their mind, soul, and even existence.

>>10019642

This artist is criticizing both touhou canon and fanon

>Sakuya contradiction
>A Buddhist tiger (Veggies tiger, lol)
>Wolf Momiji (She is not a damn dog)
>Kirisame Marisa

I hope he would do the "Crown Prince" thingy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019890
>You don't really know what Devil's contract is, do you?
Well then, let's be nitpicky 'till the end, shall we? Remilia is not a Devil.
Period.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019827
> Nah, grimderp is something else.
Disagree. This doujins is exactly what I call "silly grimderp". They are more ridiculous than even stripepattern and asatsuki ones. My opinion, anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019949
Nobody even dies. Compared to Sanae losing it and exploding everyone from UFO into showers of gore, this is a walk in the park.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10015765
That doujin was more like jojo's bizarre adventure than a liar game parody.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019940
>how do I into metaphors and allegory?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10016917
>ask how they'd like doing that again

You don't need to speculate about how humans would react to living a lot longer than beings they love, because people in real life keep pets and many people love them as if they were humans.

They die, they get sad, they get another.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019940
They named the Scarlet Devil Mansion after someone, and it wasn't the librarian's familiar.

>Period.
Akyuu's word is not absolute, but unless you've got something better to go on, you're wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019953
That Sanae doujin was deadly (pun?) serious all the way. But here we have very *ironic* grimderp.
But, as we all know, its still grimderp, even if it's ironic.

>>10020018
>They named the Scarlet Devil Mansion after someone, and it wasn't the librarian's familiar.
So? Remilia's word is not absolute too (and by the way, nobody ever called her the Satan). She could call her mansion any way she wanted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020023
Yeah, but people like to pretend that other people are irreplaceable. Letting go of it would be a big step.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020042
What country are you from, by the way?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020042
"Grimderp" is that was pretty much originally used to describe 40K and things like it, which are so dark that they become outright retarded. "They tried to go for unsettling but got derpy instead" doesn't cut it.

>>10020042
Nobody was talking about Satan, though. 悪魔の契約は絶対です.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020042
"Grimderp" is a word that was originally used to describe 40K and things like it, which are so dark that they become outright retarded. Just being grim and sort of derpy isn't what most people are referring to.

>>10020042
Nobody was talking about Satan, though. 悪魔の契約は絶対です.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020042
A human pledge loyalty towards Oni, Tengu, Vampire, satan, ifrit, ect etc are all called "Devil's contract".

Say, at what family or genus a vampire is? Human? Angel? Cats?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020054
Why?

>>10020077
>A human pledge loyalty towards Oni, Tengu, Vampire, satan, ifrit, ect etc are all called "Devil's contract".
Now that's an interesting idea. So in Shinto you can sell your soul literally to any weird creature? And any contract made that way will be final, lethal and dangerous? I don't think so.
Anyway, we don't even know if there are any sort of contract between Remi and Saku at all.

>>10020071
> Nobody was talking about Satan, though. 悪魔の契約は絶対です.
So "Devil's Contract" we're talking about here have nothing in common with Western-style "Devil's Contract". So >>10019890
> You don't really know what Devil's contract is, do you?
was kinda irrelevant.

> "Grimderp" is a word that was originally used to
Well okay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020077
Vampires are merely Homo sapiens transformed into an undead haemoglobin-fueled physiology, are they not? I don't believe there is any genetic alteration.

[Anonymous No.]

It amazes me that you idiots paint anything that isn't sunshine and rainbows as grimpderp bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020177
Blame ZUN for writing PMiSS

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020160
>Why?

Because you have a few mannerisms that show you're not a native English speaker, but not enough that I can guess what your first language is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020160
>Anyway, we don't even know if there are any sort of contract between Remi and Saku at all.
In this doujin there was. Deal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020160
>So "Devil's Contract" we're talking about here have nothing in common with Western-style "Devil's Contract". So >>10019890 was kinda irrelevant.
They obviously have stuff in common. Nobody in any culture or mythology ever gets off reneging on contracts with demons and spirits (unless it's one of those trickster fables) scot-free.

In this case they were explicit about it anyway. A devil's contract is absolute. 悪魔の契約は絶対で.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020177
It amazes me that you idiots paint anything that isn't grimpderp bullshit as sunshine and rainbows.

See? It was easy.

>>10020188
Exactly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020199
But nobody's doing that.
Try again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020195
> In this doujin there was. Deal.
As you say.

>>10020198
> Nobody in any culture or mythology ever
Oh boy. I won't even ask for citation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020213
Your post was entirely and completely pointless, then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020216
Yours too, so?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020226
Mine was a tacit invitation for you to correct me if you had actually made a point that I missed. Apparently not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020231
>Mine
Which one exactly? 'There was a DevilContract contract in this doujin' or 'any contract if fatal/lethal and eastern DevilContract = western DevilContract'? Both were too silly to argue with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020250
>Both were too silly to argue with.

...how?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020250
Remilia is a devil . Devil's contracts are absolute. Canon.

Remilia made a contract with Sakuya, who wants to back out. Fabricated backstory.

Putting these together, you get a situation in which Sakuya has attempted to back out of an absolute contract, and is being exacted some measure of punishment for it, which is played out in the doujinshi we're talking about.

Do you have any objections to what I've said so far?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020250
Remilia is a devil. Devil's contracts are absolute. Canon.

At some point in the past, Sakuya made a contract with Remilia, to serve Remilia forever, or as long as Remilia lives, or something like that. This is part of the backstory and is not canon.

Putting these together, you get a situation in which Sakuya has attempted to back out of this absolute contract, and is being exacted some measure of punishment for it, which is played out in the doujinshi we're talking about.

What part of what I've stated, or the proposed backstory, do you find particularly ridiculous?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020256
Hm... Let me say it like this - in *that particular doujin* artist explicitly said two things:
1. Sakuya made an Eternal Horrible Deal with Remilia. That kind of deal can't be cancelled. So she was (sort of) doomed. Well, only Sakuya is to blame, I guess. Too bad for her.
2. Remilia wanted Sakuya's leg. Everybody is more than fine with it.
That's all. I was kinda confused about parts when we talked about basic canon facts and parts when we discussed that doujin only. Things were quite mixed up. That was my fault, I admit it.

>>10020286
> Remilia is a devil. Devil's contracts are absolute. Canon.
Nope and nope. Remilia is a vampire (she could call herself Angel or Great Unmoving Library if she wanted so, so what?) and there was nothing said about d.contracts whatsoever. That was my main points.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020311
We both read the same doujin, right? Everybody is absolutely not "more than fine with it."

Also, define "devil."

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020311
>That was my main points.
Your main point is wrong. Vampires are 悪魔 (devil; demon; fiend; evil spirit,) the contracts of 悪魔 are absolute, the end. This isn't in the doujin because it's canon as described in PMiSS, and honestly, it's probably true in Japanese mythology as well.

>there was nothing said about d.contracts whatsoever
A "promise of eternal loyalty," a "deal with a demon." It doesn't take a genius to put two and two together. Plus I checked the original Japanese for good measure and the word for "deal" was 契約 anyway, which can also be translated as "contract" or "compact" and they're synonyms anyway so it hardly matters.

You're going out of your way to argue that this doujin is inherently stupid based off, as far as I can tell, nothing. And Alice was weirded the fuck out by it anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10015584
Now we're seeing a smart 2hu debate

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020286
>Remilia is a devil.
Shinki is the devil

[Anonymous No.]

devils contract is just something thats dangerous

like getting a loan from the mafia is like a devils contract

you get what you want but they have all the power to change how you pay it back and when

[Anonymous No.]

dopujin was cooll

dont understand why skuya didnt let meiling eat a little of her leg during the operation

[Anonymous No.]

>>10021110
Because they are not friends, just coworkers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10014551
whatthefuckiswrongwithtouhoufandom.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019940
Vampires are classified as devils in touhou mythology. Your point?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019949
Your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10021055
Shinki just has thousand of years of advantage over Remilia.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10021055
>>10020286
koakuma is a devil

isnt that what kuma means ..devil

[Anonymous No.]

>>10021348
No, my darling. That would be bear xD Akuma on the other hand...

[Anonymous No.]

>>10021348
小悪魔
悪魔=akuma=devil

and it's not her official name

shinki made fucking makai

[Anonymous No.]

>>10021355
well that is interesting how the word that means bears can turn into devil with just an a

japanese is crazy

[Anonymous No.]

>>10021362
Not really. Words are just shorter. Than in German.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10021362
>japanese is crazy

[Anonymous No.]

>>10021369
hello wizard flandre

[Anonymous No.]

>>10021348
ko-akuma

[Anonymous No.]

>>10021360
wants a cheese with that whine?

[Anonymous No.]

I didn't realize this doujin had already been translated, went and read it after reading this thread. Yeah the subject matter is a little odd, but why would anyone think its hurrgrimdark shit?

Though it's a little annoying we never saw Sakuya ACTUALLY back out of whatever agreement they actually had. The page that goes back to what happens in IN's EX stage has Remilia ask her about becoming immortal, and Sakuya turns it down.

Next thing we know Remilia decides that if she's going to be like that, she wants Sakuya's leg made into jerky. Like they just decided to skirt around whatever kind of deal might have been made and how they decided to break it.

I could just not be thinking of something but this is just how it seemed to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10015772
besides, you can always freeze yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>10023209
>she wants Sakuya's leg made into jerky.
we called it: Collateral Damage

[Anonymous No.]

Can we get a sauce on OP doujin?

Also, Sakuya is going to be okay, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10023209

Oh and also, it's one of the few doujins that actually acknowledges the non-human characters eating humans. It's just a nice touch that fleshes out the characters some.

>>10021115

Based on their dialogue during said operation, they seem to speak in a generally friendly manner to each other. There's also the mention of Meiling having taught Sakuya her knife skills. Then you've got Meiling's concern over whether or not Sakuya really wanted to go through with it.

Most likely she didn't want Meiling having a bite because she just doesn't want her to. And the leg was for the Mistress anyway.

>>10023266

...Huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10023273
>losing a leg
>going to be okay?

[Anonymous No.]

loved how all the girls were drooling over teh idea of eating sakuyas leg

[Anonymous No.]

what's with this artist and Tohos eating each-other

[Anonymous No.]

>>10023445
And then Sakuya said she wants a bite too.
Cue WTF faces from everyone else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10023453
Lesbians

[Anonymous No.]

>>10023453
he also writes about touhosu eating babies

thats cool

[Anonymous No.]

>>10023472
..i would also like to eat a piee of my own flesh..just for curiosity of knowing if im tasty..is that weird ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10023453
Do you know your cute little Rumia is a human-eating Youkai?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10019890
>This artist is criticizing both touhou canon and fanon
>A Buddhist tiger (Veggies tiger, lol)
It has only been explicitly stated that Shou can't eat humans anymore.
It's also pretty clear in SoPM that the only one who is absolutely proper with the eating/drinking regulations is Byakuren.

Interesting observation, anyway I guess. Even if I wouldn't use the words "criticize". More like presenting scenarios based on canon facts, describing a Gensoukyou where things are not quite so simple as someone might first have thought.

[REKI !!JSJSvRHJIF3 No.]

>>10023493
>>is that weird
Go right back to Tumblr and Deviantart with you and tell everyone how "weird" you are.
Posting about "strange" or "random" things you'd "like to" do is not /jp/, it's either DA or a very badly adapted /x/ fugitive.
Please go recalibrate your view of yourself with a 12-gauge shotgun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10023508
She can eat me anytime

[Anonymous No.]

>>10023512

the raging virgins of fridey nights

[Anonymous No.]

>>10023273
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Yakumi_Sarai

[Anonymous No.]

>>10023209
Sakuya pledged her eternal loyalty/service to Remilia. In rejecting immortality, she surrendered herself to eventual death as a human and broke her oath; how can she serve Remilia forever if she's going to die?

It's sketchy on purpose. This circle does a lot of open-to-interpretation stuff like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10024760
She intends to serve her in death from the netherworld.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10024814
She does?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10024760

I get that, I guess. But the way it's presented it almost seems like Sakuya just totally forgot about the whole "eternal servitude" thing, or just always thought it meant for the rest of her life.

Either way, still loved this doujin.

[Anonymous No.]

This guy has great ideas and proceeds nicely with them, but holy hell if there's a guy walking this planet that knows how to completely fuck up his endings, it's him.

[Anonymous No.]

I think the one about Momiji was the best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10025563
That one made me sad. Great tengu trio interaction, though.

>>10025389
Holy shit we get it, you don't like his endings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10020384
But Vampires are 吸血鬼, not 悪魔

[Anonymous No.]

>>10024760
>>10024925
Perhaps by eating Sakuya's leg, Sakuya will figuratively serve Remilia for eternity as part of Remilia's her body?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10025616
Akyuu refers to 吸血鬼 as 悪魔 so it counts.

[Anonymous No.]

le bump!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10026406

just realized the connection between this image and what happens to nazrin in the other doujin

[Anonymous No.]

>>10025630

No, it was a collateral damage for breaking an oath

[Anonymous No.]

>>10026406
poor Youmu