/tmg/ - Type-Moon General

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A place for discussion of the great works by Kinoko Nasu / TYPE-MOON.

>Type-Moon Visual Novel Collection (Japanese)
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1tyCb9CZR_bh6ZyvK8N1v3HU0GhG6aTZe

>Mahoutsukai no Yoru - Witch on the Holy Night
Mahoutsukai no Yoru:
https://nsw2u.com/witch-on-the-holy-night-switch-nsp
An Adventure of First Love (Mahoutsukai no Yoru Short Story):
https://tri-hermes.org/Novels/An-Adventure-of-First-Love.html
Witch on the Holy Night Material
https://tri-hermes.org/Materials/The_Magicians_Basic_Rhythm.html

>Kara no Kyoukai
Kara no Kyoukai Light Novels (Japanese):
https://pastebin.com/zz8z62qp
Kara no Kyoukai Light Novels (English):
https://nyaa.si/view/1414316
Kara no Kyoukai Animated Films:
https://nyaa.si/view/264295
Kara no Kyoukai Manga:
https://nyaa.si/view/1187963

>Tsukihime
Tsukihime Complete Pack (Tsukihime, PLUS+DISC, Kagetsu Tohya):
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/3874450
Tsukihime OG Collection:
https://nyaa.si/view/1591168
Tsukihime Manga (Arcueid's route):
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1cC2cl1r46qDxKLQ6SJ2ss2V0JS8ihlpn
Tsukihime Plus Period - Talk
https://tri-hermes.org/Novels/talk.html
Tsukihime II Prelude
https://tri-hermes.org/Novels/prelude.html

>Tsukihime Remake
Tsukihime Remake:
https://pastebin.com/QSz8A5Jf
English Patch:
https://tsukihimates.com

>MELTY BLOOD
MELTY BLOOD PC Collection (Original + ReACT + Act Cadenza + Actress Again Current Code):
https://nyaa.si/view/1042489
MELTY BLOOD Manga:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1qfSckM1X-oLSl8DPCk9GqOydRRH5UjEq
MELTY BLOOD - Back Alley Alliance Nightmare Manga:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16jgRv-WneCDBF324U_MFsuguPFTt2J0S

>Fate
Fate/stay night [Réalta Nua]:
https://nyaa.si/view/1691072
Fate/hollow ataraxia:
https://nyaa.si/view/1732011
Fate/zero
https://tri-hermes.org/Novels/zero.html
Garden of Avalon
https://tri-hermes.org/Novels/GoA.html
Fate/Spinoffs:
https://pastebin.com/Vgy14rSK

>Other Type-Moon Works
Angel Voice / Notes:
https://tri-hermes.org/Novels/notes.html
Clock Tower 2015:
https://tri-hermes.org/Novels/clocktower2015.html
Fire Girl:
https://firegirlthetranslation.wordpress.com
Mahou Tsukai no Hako: Starlit Marmalade Manga:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/y68oxcrmg8i6k/Sutamamo
Tsuki no Sango:
https://tri-hermes.org/Novels/tsuki-no-sango.html
Tsuki no Sango Manga:
https://mangadex.org/chapter/773842/1
Haru to Tsuki to Sora to:
https://mega.nz/file/xlVwGY4K#170GaRCpftfOJXtBjbF1BYu3cNUaiM6aOJLWEkhLyKs

>Type-Moon Miscellaneous
BAMBOO BROOM DIARY (Nasu and Takeuchi blog)
https://tri-hermes.org/bamboo.html
Carnival Phantasm (made in celebration of Type-Moon's 10th anniversary)
https://nyaa.si/view/550820
Encyclopedia of Type-Moon:
https://mega.nz/folder/oM8EhIjQ#IAVmHGdLnalCs0B5mRhzRQ
Materials
https://tri-hermes.org/materials.html
TMdict Glossary:
https://www.tmdict.com
Tsuki-kan (comprehensive record of real-world statements, interviews, Q&As, feature articles, etc):
https://www.tsukikan.com
Tsukihime Archives:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1NBqMPjBkGiNk9vIgOtPyjNnpxeH5fmHI
Type-Moon Comic Ace:
https://web-ace.jp/tmca

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>>45737132
Rider threads are always good threads

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>>45737169
aokosex

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>>45737132
>pupils aren't squares
Fake Rider fan

>>45737184
>pupils are squares
True Rider fan

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>entire character is supposed to be a critique on the self-absorbed otaku loser who wastes their life
>all it makes me want to do is nakadashi this fat bitch and breed her
I think Nasu's intent may have fallen flat on me

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>>45737466
Being voiced by Aoi Yuki tends to overwrite everything else

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Post your favorite piece of Nasu's lore

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>Nameless prefers guns over bows, he just uses bows because bullets are actually a massive pain in the ass to inject with mana and thus be able to hurt Spiritron bodies
neat

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>>45737773
Also apparently female Hakuno has a glasses fetish

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>>45737773
>>45737828
What does Extra and CCC do to expand on Archer and Gil's characterization?

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>>45737877
It's mostly Gil since before CCC came out he was mostly just known as being an assole without many redeeming qualities. With Archer it's more little things like his love of complex designs that work well (hence his gun collection)

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>>45737882
>With Archer it's more little things like his love of complex designs that work well (hence his gun collection)

Did Archer know that Kerry loved guns?

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Who is your favorite ufotable director?

>Overlooking View
Director Ei Aoki

>A Study in Murder (Part 1)
Director Takuya Nonaka

>Remaining Sense of Pain
Director Mitsuru Obunai

>Void Shrine
Director Shinichi Takiguchi

>Paradox Spiral
Director Takayuki Hirao

>Oblivion Recorder
Director Takahiro Miura

>A Study in Murder (Part 2)
Director Shinsuke Takizawa

>Future Gospel
Director Tomonori Sudou

>Fate/zero
Director Ei Aoki

>Fate/stay night [Unlimited Blade Works]
Director Takahiro Miura

>Fate/stay night [Heaven's Feel]
Director Tomonori Sudou

>Witch on the Holy Night
Director Tomonori Sudou

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>>45738222
Sudou.

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>>45737766
Ultimate Ones.
For the pinnacle of evolution is to move past death.
To become as a world entire. Complete, and free of all weakness.

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>>45738242
>butchers HF3

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>>45738481
>seething Kireifag
You misunderstood what was actually important, that's all there is to it.

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>>45737169
SEX
PUNCHI SEX
KIKKO SEX

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>>45737466
That just means you have at least somewhat healthy male desires.
Then again, Nasu may think men are supposed to be bestial turbo rapists who lose their minds.

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Does anyone have a HD CG of Arc jumping with the moon behind her?

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>>45738243
That's the beautiful illusion. The truth is that in order to live one needs the touch of death. Though some have forgotten the reality, the end is ultimately inescapable.

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>>45738637
>the end is ultimately inescapable
The entire point of the Ultimate Ones is that they do not end. The weakness called death does not apply.
They do not need to live, either. They exist, and continue to exist.
Inject them with the concept of death, break every atom of their being, reduce them to an idea, and they still live.
I don't know why Nasu maintains that it's such a sad state of being to be content.

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>>45738243
No.
>>45738637
No.
>>45738716
No.
Simply put, no.

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>>45738732
Shut the fuck up you worthless piece of shit.

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>>45738742
Rudeness unwarranted, fleshling.

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>>45738637
Yes anon, I have also read The Last Unicorn.
>“I was born mortal, and I have been immortal for a long, foolish time, and one day I will be mortal again; so I know something that a unicorn cannot know. Whatever can die is beautiful – more beautiful than a unicorn, who lives forever, and who is the most beautiful creature in the world.”

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>that one bad Fate end where Saber suggested that Shirou use Kiritsugu gun before his final battle with Kirei
That would have been poetic desu.

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>>45738008
Probably but Kerry didn't put mana in his bullets, he put his Origin.

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>Mahoutsukai no Yoru - Witch on the Holy Night
>Kara no Kyoukai - The Garden of Sinners

>Tsukihime - Blue Blue Glass Moon, Under The Crimson Air
>Tsukihime Plus+Disc - Alliance of Illusionary Eyes
>Tsukihime Kagetsu Tohya - Twilight Grass Moon, Fairy Tale Princess

>MELTY BLOOD - Hologram Summer, Night on the Blood Liar
>MELTY BLOOD Re-ACT - Through the Looking-Glass, Fairy Tale Transparently
>MELTY BLOOD Actress Again Current Code - Hologram Summer Again, Tri-Hermes Black Land.

>Fate/stay night - "I have a secret I haven't told you...I'm a magi." Five years after the death of his foster father, strange events begin happening in town, and he finds himself drawn into a battle between the magi called "Masters."

>Fate/hollow ataraxia - Half a year has passed since the conclusion of "Heaven's feel". Now unbeknownst to most, another forsaken war begins, silently engulfing everything under its sway. Such is the Four days of Fate, as once promised.

>Fate/zero - In the battleground, there is no place for hope. What lies there is just cold despair and a sin called victory, built on the pain of the defeated. The world as is, the human nature as always, it is impossible to eliminate the battles. In the end, pilling is necessary evil-and if so, it is best to end them in the best efficiency and at the least cost, least time. Call it not foul not nasty. Justice cannot save the world. It is useless.

>Live or Die by the Sword. What power do you hold in your hands...? Dancing flames, decaying Earth, withered ocean

Engrish.. Soul..

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>>45740296
Sion sex scene never...

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>>45738716
Wrong though. The end exists even for them. It's a fundamental theme of the setting. Even if there exists something that has a lifespan greater than the universe it will still have an ending since it has a beginning.

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>>45741181
is that a universal type-moon theme or just a tsukihime theme?

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spaghtti

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>>45741398
It's just basic setting cosmology. You have KnK technically able of taking place in Fate dealing with similar ideas.

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>>45738222
Hirao Takayuki was by far the best Ufo director: https://youtu.be/LnDa21ozua0
You also forgot Satou Tetsuto who directed that Gohan thing, he's good.

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>>45741181
I have literally no idea why you think that is "a fundamental theme of the setting". The entire point of the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception is to register the end of things, and that Ultimate Ones are immune to the eyes because they don't have an end.
Perfection means freedom from the weakness called death.
>Even if there exists something that has a lifespan greater than the universe it will still have an ending since it has a beginning.
.. again, where did you come up with this? Your fanfiction isn't Nasu.

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>>45741937
Read Tsukihime.

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>>45742028
I have read Tsukihime. You seem to think that because humanity is doomed to die that all things must be.
Arcueid is a mimicry, a flawed and slapdash Ultimate One, her lines only exist in sunlight.

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>>45738749
How high level are Unicorns in TM world?

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>>45741398
Holmes mentioned it in FGO too.

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>>45742108
Literally when?
Everyone in F/GO muses that humans should accept death for death giving life meaning and all that insipidness but nobody EVER says immortality is unachievable. Nobody disputed Goetia's ability to create an immortal flawless race, only his terrible intentions in doing so and the costs that would be paid for it.

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>>45742028
nta but since this is a common refrain
no
I don't like vampires

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>>45742072
>Arcueid is a mimicry, a flawed and slapdash Ultimate One
Never once mentioned, and you talk about fanfiction. Arcueid is a superior entity to every other Ultimate One from Notes. Her energy core is mentioned as being the beginning and end of the entire Tsukihime multiverse. Normal Arc is just her sleeping state so she doesn't demonstrate her full perks.
It's already been etablished Earth is an extremely special planet in the grand scheme of the cosmos with an hyper advanced alien civilization calling it a miracle of a planet. This same alien civilization didn't even bother trying to harness any other planet in the cosmos for thousands of years because they weren't of sufficiently high quality, including all the other ones in the solar system.

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>>45741937
ORT died in LB7. CM is gone in Fate. Even in Tsuki CM is technically a new existence. ORT is described as being a machine that even when it dies it just start back up eventually since it somehow lacks a biological death. This is different from humans who are done for once their life activities cease even once. That's in line with how death is described as the cessation of life activity in Tukihime. But this "death" as is understood collectively is not real death. True death is nothingness and it doesn't exist in the universe. Even ORT and Arc recreate themselves when this occurred.

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>>45742142
King Hassan's entire character. He literally parrot Tsukihime talking points when he says fuck immortality.

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>>45742072
See picture.

>>45742142
The first time they use the Black Barrel. Link here: https://apps.atlasacademy.io/db/NA/script/0300060730
Holmes Then again, since she's a machine, perhaps its her warranty period? Or her estimated number of years in operation? Well, no matter!
Holmes The point is, as long as this universe has a finite life span, there is nothing in it that will last forever!
Holmes Everything that has a form must also inevitably have an end! A limit, if you like!

Holmes That gun barrel can measure that end and make it tangible! In other words

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>>45742166
This is a pointless digression, Arcfag. But you know very well you're being completely disingenuous and making unfounded claims. Earth being suitable for the grecian machine gods means absolutely nothing about life or death.
>>45742180
ORT was destroyed in LB7, yes, but that was notably after being given a concept of death by Beni-Enma Alter and having that concept realized by Tepeu.
>>45742207
Who'd've thought that the guy who's entire specialty is delivering death where it does not naturally exist would have a unique perspective on the nature of death?
>>45742214
That's everything with form. Ultimate Ones don't need form to exist.

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>>45742072
>I have read Tsukihime.
Tsukihime shows that comprehension is a separate matter.

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>>45742279

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>>45742279
>>45742291
Yet again, talking about the eyes, talking about the natural order of things, the stuff that Ultimate Ones violate by the nature of their existence.
It's one of those rules that get put up only for the author to go "well yes for the most part but in EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES.."
Much like your usual humans cannot fight servants statement, this is a general take from an individual not accounting for everything.

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>>45742239
>being completely disingenuous and making unfounded claims
There isn't a single thing I stated that's not an actual fact from the games themselves.
>Earth being suitable for the grecian machine gods
It's more suitable specifically because it's a superior planet, something that's explicitly stated. The only thing the Gods required was Ether in higher quanitities hence why they constructed those leylines to draw energy more efficiently.

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>>45742337
>There isn't a single thing I stated that's not an actual fact from the games themselves.
"Arcueid is a superior entity to every other Ultimate One from Notes" is already bullshit.
>It's more suitable specifically because it's a superior planet, something that's explicitly stated
No it isn't. It was stated to fulfill like 67% of their requirements. It is never stated what their requirements were, or clarified what Earth was lacking in for the remaining %.
>The only thing the Gods required was Ether in higher quanitities
Never stated.

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>>45742316
She's talking about the fundamentals of the universe. This is AE, the one who has the planet's memories, is an UO for all intents and does the whole no fated end shit herself. She's actually the one whose explicitly perfect.
>>45742239
Even ignoring the fact that an UO being given the concept of death proves their impermanence, death perception reads the predetermined end established at the beginning.

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>>45742349
>"Arcueid is a superior entity to every other Ultimate One from Notes" is already bullshit.
No it isn't. Again, Arcueid's energy core is operating as the lynchpin of the Tsukihime multiverse. Which is also why the World Egg is stated to be her frame. Ultimate Ones in Notes aren't close to this in scale.
>It was stated to fulfill like 67% of their requirements
78%
>It is never stated what their requirements were
We know for a fact they needed the resources to rebuild themselves which requires Ether since that's why they made those leylines to draw energy more efficiently. The Machine Gods are quite explicitly powered with Ether as most things. It's not hard.

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I disagree strongly with Nasu's worldview here

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>>45742239
>Who'd've thought that the guy who's entire specialty is delivering death where it does not naturally exist would have a unique perspective on the nature of death?
He literally became one with the boundary and death. I think he has an idea how it works better than most especially when his skill is there to bring salvation to those who've lost sight of their moment of death. He might not see what Shiki does but he's clearly got the Tsukihime theming down and parallels Shiki's relation to the boundary.

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>>45742409
>She's talking about the fundamentals of the universe. This is AE, the one who has the planet's memories, is an UO for all intents and does the whole no fated end shit herself. She's actually the one whose explicitly perfect.
That is not AE in that scene, that is Arcueid Brunestud the silly vampire who gets a whole lot of things wrong about herself and the world.
>Even ignoring the fact that an UO being given the concept of death proves their impermanence, death perception reads the predetermined end established at the beginning.
Not how Azrael works.
>No it isn't. Again, Arcueid's energy core is operating as the lynchpin of the Tsukihime multiverse. Which is also why the World Egg is stated to be her frame. Ultimate Ones in Notes aren't close to this in scale.
This is why I called you disingenuous. You have no idea what scale the Ultimate Ones are working on.
>78%
Irrelevant.
>We know for a fact they needed the resources to rebuild themselves
"Rebuilding themselves" was not the mission statement of Void Mothership Chaos.

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>>45742541
>You have no idea what scale the Ultimate Ones are working on
Therefore entirely irrelevant. The stuff we've seen from Arcueid is higher level than the stuff we've seen from Ultimate Ones in Notes. Therefore you can't assume they are equivalent until proven to be the case.
>"Rebuilding themselves" was not the mission statement of Void Mothership Chaos.
They changed their functions after humans worshipped them as Gods, but they were looking for planets with "life" quite explicitly. Doesn't change the fact what Chaos wanted was literally just resources. This is exactly why Chaos tried to absorb 30% of the planet's surface and convert it to spiritrons the moment it showed up.

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>>45742612
>The stuff we've seen from Arcueid is higher level than the stuff we've seen from Ultimate Ones in Notes.
Based on your arbitrary judgment. We've never "seen" anything from the Ultimate Ones in Notes. Literally never. None of the Ultimate Ones are actually described, on screen, as doing anything, beyond Type-Saturn making an approach. They have nothing to compare to.
Your declarative statement of inferiority remains disingenuous.
>Doesn't change the fact what Chaos wanted was literally just resources. This is exactly why Chaos tried to absorb 30% of the planet's surface and convert it to spiritrons the moment it showed up.
There is no logical link between these statements. Chaos was going to claim the legal amount of spiritrons from Earth that it was allowed to do so, yes, but then it was going to continue its expedition. Unlike Zeus, who was happy with 78% (or rather at the end of his rope and desperate for even "good enough"), Chaos was not, Chaos is a perfectionist.

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Foursome between Shiki, Miyako, Mio and Akiha

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>>45742632
>Your declarative statement of inferiority remains disingenuous
No because I'm not makin assumptions. You can't just assume everything is true until proven otherwise. Not how burden of proof goes.
>There is no logical link between these statements
Of course there is. Chaos was completely frozen in between the universe spacetime. The whole reason why Chaos sent the Machine Gods to another universe in their expedition was because it wanted them to locate quality planets for resources. Chaos doesn't harvest random planets because they are completely worthless in comparison.
>Zeus, who was happy with 78%
Zeus functionality changed because he was worshiped as a God. This is a strawman anyway, both Zeus and Chaos viewed Earth as a suitable planet to harvest, other planets weren't. Those are the facts really.

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>>45742541
Arc is AE.
>Not how Azrael works.
A non-answer. Use some logic and think about it. Not sure what you expect to get out of this when we have various beings without a fixed moment of death dying. Death comes for everything is literally the most prevalent and wide-spread theme in TM.

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>>45738716
>The weakness called death does not apply.
They have it. Not as it's understood in Earth, until you throw in King Hassan.

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Isn't CM supposed to be the final boss? The other ultimate ones are just retarded monsters without a will anyway.

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>>45742239
>ORT was destroyed in LB7, yes, but that was notably after being given a concept of death by Beni-Enma Alter and having that concept realized by Tepeu.
Which would have skipped the middlemen if Nasu had just reused King Hassan, but you know he didn't want to have Babylonia 2.0 just Babylonia 1.5.
Everything has an end is a theme NASU said and brought up as important for all things. So yes, they do have an end.
Heian Kyo prologue actually speaks about how humanity can't (yet) quantify the lifespan of a celestial body but it will (something tells me Moneybills knows because Daybit yapped).

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>>45742426
To be fair, ORT isn't one of those beings of the Solar System, but a wandering bogeyman. We don't really know what and the Dark Star origin. Dark Star is already older than the Big Bang and seems outside the known universe.
I'm hoping for a Daybit cameo in Tsukihime.

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>>45742761
In Tsukihime. He's irrelevant in Fate.
ORT is the secret boss, worse than the final boss CM.

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>>45742802
Not how it works. ORT is the final boss in the context of Notes. ORT is a secret boss in the context of modern day Earth. ORT was probably fodderized by the Ether Liners before the Types even arrived.
Also ORT was turned into CM's pawn in TsukiR. And we know ORT is not overturning this since vampirization explicitly overwrites the Akashic Records, something ORT hasn't shown to be able to affect.

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>>45742814
>And we know ORT is not overturning this since vampirization explicitly overwrites the Akashic Records, something ORT hasn't shown to be able to affect.
nigga ORT wrote an entire Throne of Heroes and scribbled in "population: me"
where do you think the Throne of Heroes is

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>>45742814
>ORT was probably fodderized by the Ether Liners before the Types even arrived.
This is retarded speculation when ORT has eaten entire planets and can apparently destroy earth in seconds if so much farts while the other weaklings barely take down a fucking continent. What makes you think he won't fodderize your pet "Ultimate Ones" when they arrive? That seems more like delivery.
>Also ORT was turned into CM's pawn in TsukiR.
Oh, it's you. The interview makes clear that ORT > CM. CM is the last boss ACCORDING to Nasu in this scenario, while ORT is the secret boss you unlock after beating it.
That's why ORT and not CM is regarded as DON'T FUCKING TOUCH IT in the Clock Tower.

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>>45742814
>ORT is the final boss in the context of Notes
I meant CM. According to Zelretch in FSF ORT can be defeated in 100 years. You don't need Ether Liners.

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>>45742851
>According to Zelretch in FSF ORT can be defeated in 100 years
Please don't take "it's a hundred years too early to face that" as a literal statement of a century needing to pass. It's a japanese stock phrase that amounts to "you're not even close to ready".

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>>45742851
You already beat CM bro.

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>>45742851
It's a nip stock phrase, not a literal statement. That's why Nasu made a big deal about Zotz.

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>>45742846
>nigga ORT wrote an entire Throne of Heroes and scribbled in "population: me"
Something Alaya has done since forever. It's cool but not that impressive compared to other things.
>where do you think the Throne of Heroes is
In the Outside of the World. Same as Scatach's Land of Shadows which was incinerated by Goetia. Doesn't mean all things located in the Ouside of the World are equivalent if that's what you're implying.
>and can apparently destroy earth in seconds
So far all we know is it can destroy an Earth that's bleached without any of the defenses it would usually possess.
>What makes you think he won't fodderize your pet "Ultimate Ones" when they arrive?
The fact ORT is not present in Notes at all means it got fodderized by A-Ray and Ether Liners because the other Ultimate Ones arrived most likely.
>The interview makes clear that ORT > CM
No.
>CM is the last boss ACCORDING to Nasu in this scenario, while ORT is the secret boss you unlock after beating it
You're conflating two entirely different quotes into a single scenario. Nasu never once talks about ORT in the context of Notes. Nvm the fact ORT died by colliding with the Earth and was then taken out of Camazotz. ORT is a fucking joke as a secret boss at this point and any past hype it had cannot be taken remotely serious.

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>Base concept being "hopeless despair". If this was an RPG, ORTy would be the hidden boss that's stronger than the last boss. "WTF man, did you losers bother to think about game balance omgwtflolz?" No, no, it's your fault for messing with him (?).
Crimson Jobber isn't stronger, retards. Nasu's entire concept for ORT is that he's the literal unbeatable monster. And you're at fault to poke it.

CM is definitely weaker but dangerous like Moneybill.

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>>45742879
Zelretch did.

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>A super U.F.O. The strongest aggressive creature. It's an amazing design from another dimension! Or rather something that not even Arc win against!! Someone better get Ultram@n over here!
Does this mean Kirsch's humanity would have beaten ORT? Nasu said his humanity would be Ultramen in the stream. Guda fucked up.

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>>45742914
>Nasu's entire concept for ORT is that he's the literal unbeatable monster
Which is a fucking joke at this point. Given both Camazotz and Chaldea were able to beat it.

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>>45742922
Your point? Zelretch can't beat ORT by his own fucking admission.

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>>45742923
>Or rather something that not even Arc win against!!
ARCBROSS??? NASU SAID ORT > ARC????

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ORT already did the whole secret boss thing but they decided that instead of something cool they'll just have it serve the purpose of strongest threat in the gacha. Literally all downhill from there.

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>>45742928
Camazotz himself was created as someone completely incredible, what's your point? He's supposed to make all the jobbers from Notes as a joke. Nasu calls him trendemous guy.
> Chaldea were able to beat it.
Chaldea beat a level 1 that wasn't hostile and was lacking his true core. All thanks to Camazotz and the malla. Using a lot of Servants too, and a super mega Excalibur AND Beast VII which is STELLAR CLASS.
Nasu wrote Arc can't defeat ORT in that very description you fucking dumbass. He's really fucking strong and can overwrite her. He's conceived to be a fucking monster.

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>>45742948
said gacha has the "enemy of the universe" bro and nasu said specifically he can only bring out the big guns in fgo.

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>>45742952
To be fair, U Olga was weakened without her heart (ORT had it) and apparently is a dumbass who doesn't go all out because of her personality. But yeah.

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>>45742914
>unbeatable
Literally got beat by an empowered man. Anyone with immortality or a big enough gun will shit on ORT.

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>>45742929
Wrong. Zelretch never once compares himself to ORT. He literally says the timeline where ORT wakes up would result in a bad outcome for the Asociation but still says there is no need for him to interfere (implied he could but chose not to).
Zelretch's whole point is that he graduated from "Earth academy" and the only things he cares about is matters regarding Crimson Moon since that's a job he took on himself in tha past.

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Ea gg

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>>45742936
Pretty irrelevant to the Remake.

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>>45742967
He got beat by the literal king of Earth in that timeline who was empowered by human drive and everyone's existence in that plane. After fighting for thousands of years.
>anyone with immortality
No. Camazotz immortality is cherry-picked to work against ORT. ORT bypassed other types (it makes quick work on Archetype Dino version and gods).
How the fuck do you call yourself a Nasuverse fan and don't know about compatibility? If this was a boy meets girl story, Camazotz would be the Shiki/GunGod to ORT's Arc/VV.

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>>45742959
>only bring out the big guns in fgo
No. Enemy of the universe also doesn't say anything about strength. Crippled ORT is as high as it goes in FGO.

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>>45742928
Camazotz was able to separate it from its heart for a second.
That would have been all he could do alone, and it would've meant nothing. It was the Malla that was able to confuse ORT's senses and make it recognize its heart as existing over there, so it wouldn't just regenerate its heart in under a second (every single cell of ORT contains all of its data including the data of the supernova core).
The Malla is a planet-spanning network of godlike alien bacteria which had spent the last 60 million years tenderly rubbing ORT while he slept. So yeah it could interface with him to some degree.
>Chaldea
Chaldea failed to put it down to the end of the end, Kukulkan had to nuke herself out of existence to stop it.

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>>45742988
>Kukulkan
A sexual mana transfer with ORT heart will save the day

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>>45742952
>He's supposed to make all the jobbers from Notes as a joke
Never once implied or stated.
>Nasu wrote Arc can't defeat ORT in that very description
Means shit to the Remake frankly given Arc has an entirely new set of abilities and even an entirely different nature. Try again.
>He's really fucking strong and can overwrite her
ORT isn't doing shit to Arc in Remake.
Arcueid's Principle which gives her the ability to compress energy on a planck scale dwarfs anything ORT can bring to the table. Arcueid's Principle is just tailor made to deal with entities like ORT. Event Storage and Luminary hard counter ORT's reality warping ability pretty hard as well.

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>>45742986
>No
>That being said, FGO is no longer the story of an individual, but a story that can easily reach the scale of the entire world.
Nasu thinks he can only bring the real powerhouses in stories that aren't limited to a city (coughTsukihimecough).
>Enemy of the universe also doesn't say anything about strength.
Irrelevant. Crimson Jobber isn't strong either.

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>>45742978
>>45743001
Are you guys aware that LB7 was written after the Tsukihime remake

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>>45742988
>while he slept
It was dead.
It required the deinos sacrifices to restart it. Daybit spent a whole year doing that to bring ORT back.

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>>45743001
>Event Storage and Luminary hard counter ORT's reality warping ability pretty hard as well.
Event Storage is an Authority-type ability. It very much wouldn't work on ORT, because ORT is out of Earth's jurisdiction. Archetype: ORT and Archetype: Earth are different permissions.
Meanwhile, luminary expansion is exactly the kind of thing that ORT just eats and makes it stronger.

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>>45743001
>Event Storage and Luminary hard counter ORT's reality warping ability pretty hard as well.
Really doubt that would even affect ORT. ORT will just overwrite everything again and stomp her.

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I like Luvia

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>>45743019
>Archetype: ORT and Archetype: Earth are different permissions.
Kuku isn't ORT either. Just something hybrid with malla born of its heart. It wouldn't be ABLE to deal with ORT on her own either. She only fought Grand Foreigner ORT version with the leftover Servants which was much weaker than the actual ORT (level 1).

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>>45743011
To ultimate ones, death is only a slumber, something they eventually recover from. That's the point of this entire "debate" or whatever.
The Malla was one of the things holding him down, having judged ORT as undesirable for Lostbelt Earth. It apparently could recognize him somehow as a fellow extraterrestrial.

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>>45743002
Why are you quoting one thing and trying to make it say something else? And good way to show you have no idea what happened in Tsukihime.

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>>45743031
>To ultimate ones, death is only a slumber, something they eventually recover from.
ORT is not the same kind of being. It's not written "ultimate one" like them. ORT is hinted (but not explicitly stated) to be older than the universe as the dark star is (unless the observation stuff it used came from daybit who was in the core). We literally don't know tf it came from. It's not from the Solar System.

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>>45743046
>And good way to show you have no idea what happened in Tsukihime.
Absolutely nothing that left the city scale accident. It happened shit closer to Angra Manjew in HF.

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>>45742978
>Pretty irrelevant to the Remake.
Not really. Because Nasu upgraded ORT as capable to absolutely destroy Earth thus Arc in fucking seconds should it want it.

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>>45742984
Compatibility matters, yes. That was the point. Anyone with a big enough offense or immortality.

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>>45743005
>Are you guys aware that LB7 was written after the Tsukihime remake
There is nothing at all in LB7 that could lead anyone to believe ORT is superior to Remake Arc really.

>>45743019
>Event Storage is an Authority-type ability.
It's explicitly a System, it's just functionally similar to Authorities.
>It very much wouldn't work on ORT, because ORT is out of Earth's jurisdiction
The entire reason ORT exists in the pruned world of LB7 is because ORT became part of Earth's jurisdiction, or well Human Order jurisdiction in Fate and it was subjected to prunning along with that world. Event Storage is the same kind of system that does the prunning as it's an admin ability for the purposes of managing the plane, which includes timeline management. Luminary is quite explicitly the ability to reset the planet's surface so it would simply dispel ORT's Crystal Valley really.
>luminary expansion is exactly the kind of thing that ORT just eats and makes it stronger
Arc would simply nuke ORT or tear it to shredds with her principle which grants her the ability to compress energy on a planck scale, which is far beyond anything we've seen from ORT really. ORT eating fodder planets doesn't mean it could do the same when Earth is strong like in TsukiR.

>>45743020
It would work fine really. ORT is very much subservient to the management of timelines, which is a System much like Event Storage.

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>>45743067
>ORT is very much subservient to the management of timelines,
As does Arc when she doesn't exist in Fate.

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>>45743049
The word "Ultimate One" was still used for him. I'm not sure we should state declaratively that 原初の一 and 極限の単独種 are NOT the same and it's not just Nasu coming up with something more radical to call them after 20 years.

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>>45743064
The only Earth ORT is confirmed to be able to destroy is a Bleached Earth. Nevermind Earth has multiple layers of reality with the actual Earth surface being below the Reverse Side of the World. ORT is only confirmed to destroy a bleached Earth but not the Reverse Side or the Earth's actual surface, in a world where Gaia is explicitly not strong.

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>>45743064
>>45743059
>>45743049
I swear you people don't know how to read.

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>>45743079
Kirei called him "ultimate one from the OORT cloud" but turns out ORT isn't even from the OORT cloud (he's from outside and snuck in), so maybe he just snacked and assimilated the fucker that was. Like how he became Grand Foreigner and DAA 5.
That's the thing, it's not tied to anything, its his own portable celestial body.

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>>45743078
>As does Arc when she doesn't exist in Fate.
Sure. But Remake Arc is the administrator of the entire celestial body. The management of timelines is quite literally under her control in Remake. And this is stated in MBBAN manga btw.

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>>45743084
>The only Earth ORT is confirmed to be able to destroy is a Bleached Earth
We see the possibility it shatters the whole planet you fucking idiot. And Daybit wants to sic it on Chaldeas which seems to be a better Earth.

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>>45743084
>Nevermind Earth has multiple layers of reality with the actual Earth surface being below the Reverse Side of the World
You're confusing "planet" with "world." The world (one of the layers) is the surface. ORT is a celestial body killer. Tezca saw him as the ultimate Apocalypse that would destroy Earth for good. You're just afraid to admit he's stronger than you're waifu? Pathetic.

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>>45743093
>he management of timelines is quite literally under humanity's control
Stated in Moonlight Lostroom OVA booklet written by Nasu.
And the Cosmos in the Lostbelt trailer.
Actual facts instead of unreliable claims.

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>>45743005
TA are equipped with the power to deal with any threat to the planet.

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>>45743090
Is literally called UO before being killed.

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>>45743097
>We see the possibility it shatters the whole planet
Which means shit because the planet is Bleached at that point, meaning no conceptual defenses or texture of the Human Order. This also has nothing to do with Tsuki Earth where the planet is actually strong.

>>45743100
>The world (one of the layers) is the surface
This surface quite explicitly reaches all the way down to the core as per Case Files. In volume 10 of Case Files the location of Albion's Ancient Heart is tens of kilometers below the surface yet it is a different layer of reality at the same time; they state in "regular reality" (i.e the texture of the Human Order) they would be in the Earth's mantle and have run out of oxygen long ago.
>ORT is a celestial body killer
Which means nothing when Olympus establishes Earth is a special planet in the grand scheme of things. Exceptions always exist.

>>45743106
In Fate sure. In Tsukihime Remake it quite explicitly isn't. So anything from Moonlight Loostroom is irrelevant to this point.

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>>45743100
>You're just afraid to admit he's stronger than you're waifu? Pathetic.
If you honestly think ORT is stronger than Remake Arc you're just delusional. The whole concept of the 'mass of life' definition Nasu introduced in Remake directly establishes entities that are small and heavy are superior to large and heavy entities. With Arc herself being basically the epitome of the small and heavy concept given her ability to manipulate energy on a planck scale. I'm sorry but there is just no chance of ORT being superior to Arc post Remake.

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>>45743161
>This surface quite explicitly reaches all the way down to the core
Avalon exists 2700 kilometers below the surface as stated in LB6.
However ORT is shown to completely unravel Earth as a celestial body.
Nothing is stated to be unusual about the situation (e.g. it could only do this because of the weakened human order or the bleached earth or the tree of emptiness etc.), ORT is just an apocalypse given form when it has the will to destroy the planet.
This is in accordance with what the Clock Tower Director says about it. Normally ORT is only a threat to humans, because the entire reason it's here is because the planet wants it to be here. It's the final solution to the human problem, if Earth ever decided humans weren't acceptable for itself, even if the humans eventually exceed past the True Ancestors (which even Arc thinks will one day happen), it is unthinkable that humans can exceed ORT. Only the next species that inherits after humanity has a chance.

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>>45743100
Only an embellishment by Tezca within the context of a bleached planet. Nasu has said numerous times whose the strongest. Just recently he again mentioned a concept behind Tsukihime was to have the strongest character in numerous ways.
>>45743106
The world doesn't obey human order.

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>>45743194
>because the entire reason it's here is because the planet wants it to be here
It's said to not be one of those who heard the call. I don't know where the fanfiction about exceeding TA comes from or ORT being unbeatable for humanity(We literally see this) but we also have Zel insinuating it won't even be long before dealing with it is in the cards.

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>>45743219
>It's said to not be one of those who heard the call.
I only remember it being said to "might not be the strongest" of them.
>I don't know where the fanfiction about exceeding TA comes from
Arcueid's own mutterings about what humanity is capable of.
>or ORT being unbeatable for humanity
The Clock Tower Lord who turned into crystal said so, and it was essentially agreed by Brishishan, the MA Director. Strange Fake also seems to agree with the notion that the next species that inherits the earth will be able to face aliens, with Thia Escardos being their first exemplar.
>(We literally see this)
No.
>but we also have Zel insinuating it won't even be long before dealing with it is in the cards.
Again, that japanese phrase is "not even close", not actually a measurement of 100 years. He was literally stating that that's the worst of all world lines and he just looked at ones where everybody dies and gets pruned before it.
Seriously, ORT waking up is the worst case scenario. It's apparently worse than extinction.

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>>45743194
>Avalon exists 2700 kilometers below the surface as stated in LB6.
The same way the Wandering Sea exists in the North Sea, but it still resides in a different layer of reality. Merlin explains the Inner Sea/Avalon is completely impervious to whatever sort of cataclysmic event is going on the surface. This was explicitly while Merlin himself along with your party was trying to figure out a way to stop the collapse that's established as being a threat to the planet and humanity since the beginning of LB6
>However ORT is shown to completely unravel Earth as a celestial body.
That's cool but it still means very little to a non-bleached world given there is not Counter Force or anything really.
>(e.g. it could only do this because of the weakened human order or the bleached earth or the tree of emptiness etc
You don't need any statement when that's the context in which ORT destroyed the Earth in LB7. It simply doesn't apply to any other context. Also ORT doesn't destroy the planet during combat given it never tried to do that with Camazotz.
Tezca explained even if ORT woke up on it's own it wouldn't even try to destroy the planet. This is the entire reason why Izcali with his hatred for PHH was required to feed ORT, failing that Daybit. ORT needs a set directive to actually destroy a planet really.
>This is in accordance with what the Clock Tower Director says about it
I say Tezca's words take precedence here.

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>>45743274
>Also ORT doesn't destroy the planet during combat given it never tried to do that with Camazotz.
>Tezca explained even if ORT woke up on it's own it wouldn't even try to destroy the planet.
You just addressed your own goddamn point. ORT was called to kill all humans and Camazotz was a human.
ORT was not called to kill Earth. ORT doesn't do that without a good reason. The entire thing about hearts and U-Olga and Daybit was necessary because ORT wouldn't kill Chaldeas (the thing Daybit needed it to do) without being forcibly programmed with a new directive.
ORT not destroying the earth to kill Camazotz (not that that WOULD kill Camazotz, dude was fucking immortal, it would just make them fight in space) is not indicative of its inability to do so.

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>>45743242
>Arcueid's own mutterings about what humanity is capable of.
She says nothing about True Ancestors. You're also conflating two different narrators, given we have zero context on whether Arcueid thinks humanity might be able to defeat ORT. Arcueid doesn't give a shit what the clock tower lord or director thinks.
>Seriously, ORT waking up is the worst case scenario
This isn't necessarily the case in Fate, and even if it was it would still mean nothing to Tsukihime where the planet is actually strong.

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>>45743288
>ORT was called to kill all humans and Camazotz was a human
What? No it wasn't. The statement about ORT receiving Earth's call in CM is a mistranslation. The proper translation outright states ORT was not among the ultimte species who received Earth's SOS call.

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>>45743302
>The proper translation outright states ORT was not among the ultimte species who received Earth's SOS call.
Just meaning it's not Type-Mercury, and doesn't seem to be Type-Anything. It's not a planet bound perfected life form, it's something different that's invincible in a completely different way. It is still associated with the promised time, and Brishishan still says the planet's cries are what will awaken ORT. We have no reason to doubt the enigmatic immortal archwizard.

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>>45743354
>and Brishishan still says the planet's cries are what will awaken ORT
Something that might carry a different connotation given Kirei mentions ORT is restless and squirms around in worlds where Gaia manifests while it's asleep otherwise.

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>>45743354
>It is still associated with the promised time,
It would be funny if ORT's promised time was the Aylesbury Ritual in Tsukihime because it ate an Ancestor and so it must have inherited that Ancestor's will.

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>>45743373
It means it will only be awakened in tsukihime since it's a statement separating the two worlds. LB7 having DinoArc supports that.
>>45743354
It's an ultimate one. It just means it wasn't one of the ones who heard the call and he's there for other reasons.

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Meh, Arc going berserk after not getting Shiki dick is a bigger threat.

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>>45743465
ORT was probably flattened into a pancake when Arc stored all life on Earth in this scene.

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>>45743482
I'm pretty sure ORT is exempt by that. It has no civilization and it is not bound by gravity, it creates its own gravity wells.

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>>45743490
Every lifeform is also subject to it down to the smallest.

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>>45743482
Doesn't PHH ORT get bleached along with the rest of everything?

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>>45743490
>and it is not bound by gravity,
If that were the case it would be floating until it reached outer space. It must be bound by gravity. The only question is whether ORT is considered part of the world's texture after absorbing an Ancestor and being there for a while. Textures include not just every living thing and structure cultivated on the surface of Earth, but also includes the history of the world.
LB7 suggests ORT is indeed part of the world's texture otherwise it wouldn't have been affected by the prunning.

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>>45743507
Yeah probably.

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>>45743544
Becoming a DAA and coming into possession of a principle would probably be the only thing that could give it a chance. But even then the ancestors' beneath Arc's.

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>>45743465
>nothing beyond the city
I'm pretty confident that TM fans have comprehension issues. Another consideration is there is another sequence about how Arc woops'd and went farther than she intended around when we get the storage large enough for the entire planet.

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I just wanted to say that the ORT in LB7 was explicitly said to have a smaller output when compared to PHH and that it doesn't ever really "die" unless you destroy every single one of its cells because every single one has within it the capacity to repair the rest even if it takes millions of years to do. It's like a living physical phenomenon that has a capacity to adapt that is unmatched.

I mean what ORT represents conceptually should be obvious. We're the dominant species on Earth and we have have a tremendous ability to destroy/reshape the world to our advantage to the detriment of everything else. ORT is "what if humanity came into contact with something that is to them what it is to life on Earth". A lot of stuff in Nasuverse has to do with humanity being the "prime species" whether Fate or Tsukihime. ORT and Velber are about how this isn't the case in space.

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>>45743655
It's hilarious how casually broken powerlevels are in the remake.
>Arc is super weakened after Shiki killed her
>btw you need planetary tier attack power to burn vines she creating
>remember dive bomb attack she used on Vlov? It's actually EX rank NP tier by fgo standards

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>>45743761
And this is the result of a curse which produces shit beyond reality. Roa can compete with Ancestors who can overthrow the planet but none of them can deal with Arc. CM won, he became the admin.

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>>45743673
Both still end up taking the L. It is true that the LB ORT is inferior to the others but I think it'd still just take another L if it showed up as an antagonist. ORT will have to show up as an ally otherwise it will just keep knocking itself out in crash landings and getting mudamudamuda'd by batman cosplay.

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>>45743831
CM is smart and he actually tried to create it's own **** Order to make the world his own to supplant Alaya. ORT just becomes part of the system and gets it's ass prunned because it's still subject to Alaya pruning system.

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>>45743844
Camazotz is just a very good paper scissors match against ORT. He's 100,000,000 souls into one and cannot die so there's nothing for ORT to adapt to. He also didn't really kill it any more than Shiki killed Arcueid.

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If you want to understand CM just take all the statements about the Mooncell being a perfect observer of the Earth and take note of every time it not having intelligence is presented as significant.

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>>45743544
>If that were the case it would be floating until it reached outer space. It must be bound by gravity.
Anon it has its own propulsion, it floats wherever it wants

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>>45743917
Indeed, that's a good example given the Moon Cell quite literally became Type Moon (something explicitly stated) after evolving and obtaining the ability to change the reality on Earth based on it's simulation. The main difference between CM and the Moon Cell is that the Moon Cell has no mind of it's own.

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>>45743979
By that logic birds are unbound by gravity because they fly.

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>>45744028
Birds can't just hover wherever they want. They have to keep flapping their wings, while ORT just seems to not care about gravity and goes any direction it feels like.
Anyway ORT actually does make gravity, it uses a sudden burst of gravity waves to parry Excalibur.

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>>45743881
Didn't kill it as hard as Shiki or Tepeu did.

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>>45744054
Tepeu was just one meaningless break bar among the 18.
And not one of them mattered at all. In the end, all the damage dealt was well within ORT's regenerative abilities even without its heart.

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>>45744045
Everything with mass makes gravity really. The statement bound by gravity means you're being affected by it in some way, whether consciously or unconsciously. Since even magi have the ability to defy gravity and fly.

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>>45744013
>The main difference
And you know, being an embodied space vampire monster cursing the world and simultaneously hijacking the earth itself in a long term plot with Zel and who knows what else standing in their way And they still win(At least in that one possibility). Returning the planet to how it should be and crippling the world of man. CM is actually a really good far reaching type of "mysterious" fictional figure.

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>>45744095
It did count as killing ORT, at that point it just evolved to have spare lives. Considering Tepeu had shitty version of MEoDP, with the true version he probably would end the fight right there for real

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>>45744095
>Meaningless
>Break bar
>Regenerate
Just say you don't understand how death works or the significance of ORT losing a life and having to do what it did to recover. If Tepeu's power was stronger, that would have been the end of ORT.

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>>45744218
Can't believe this scene was better realized in fanart than official. Proof anything that happens in FGO could be done better anywhere else.

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>>45742907
>The fact ORT is not present in Notes
Isn't it still asleep there?

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>>45744218
>>45744275
It has endless lives. These deaths mean nothing to it.
Before being hit by Hume Barrel Rayproof, ORT was no weaker and no stronger than it had began its march.

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>>45744369
Shiki arc drive sound effect was cool reference but not giving Tepeu proper CG for such epic scene was garbage decision

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>>45744397
Makes no sense at all given the CM entry states ORT is waiting for the 'promised time'. What other promised time is there than the time to exterminate humanity?

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>>45744399
>Before being hit by Hume Barrel Rayproof, ORT was no weaker and no stronger than it had began its march
Holy shit man this is proof you didn't read anything. The entire purpose of Chaldeas even engaging ORT was to destroy 60% of it's outer shell so the Rayproof could do the rest.

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>>45744180
Who exactly were CM's species? Space Lunarian chinks?

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>>45744457
Which they failed to do. Kotomine said it was regenerating faster than any damage was being done. That nothing Chaldea was doing was working, at all.

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>>45744509
Trismegistus calculated ORT would be destroyed just fine had the Rayproof blast actually connected. The entire reason ORT even bent gravity to avoid it was because it recognized it as a threat.
The chance was lost past that point because Chaldea didn't have the time to charge another before ORT reached them, hence Kotomine and Olga helping them.

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>>45744261
>Shota Shiki fucked so good that she now wants to marry him
What form of power is this?

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>>45742093
I don't really remember any unicorns in the setting. Plenty of bicorns though.

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>>45742093
Seven is pretty broken

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>>45744679
There's a unicorn in Nrvnqsr's body which he treats as a high level battle form, on the same level as the inferior dragon and chimera.

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>>45744679
These dudes? Yeah, they aren't unicorns. I can see unicorns being more rare, maybe closer to Divine Beasts. Kinda like in Sailor Moon.

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>>45744717
That's old lore though.

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>>45742142
>Everyone in F/GO muses that humans should accept death for death giving life meaning and all that insipidness
It's insipid, but it's also true. It's why I quoted The Last Unicorn before, the book talks a lot about how immortal beings are not only like us, but don't really understand us. An immortal feels no regret, because regret is the emotion one has to express the feeling that one has misued their time on this earth in some way. But for a unicorn who will live until the stars themselves go out, there is no such thing as time being wasted. An immortal feels no love, because love is a fleeting, passionate emotion unsuited for eternity
It's not that they simply choose not to have these feelings, they straight up can't feel them because a mind that perceives things in the concept of eternity can't comprehend things that give a life meaning, because those are emotions for beings that have to leave a legacy when they inevitably die. My favorite passage is from the skull and even though he's speaking in riddles to hide the truth from the heroes, he's also speaking about how much his perspective has changed in the transition from a temporary life to an eternal death.
>
“When I was alive, I believed — as you do — that time was at least as real and solid as myself, and probably more so. I said 'one o'clock' as though I could see it, and 'Monday' as though I could find it on the map; and I let myself be hurried along from minute to minute, day to day, year to year, as though I were actually moving from one place to another. Like everyone else, I lived in a house bricked up with seconds and minutes, weekends and New Year's Days, and I never went outside until I died, because there was no other door. Now I know that I could have walked through the walls. (...) You can strike your own time, and start the count anywhere. When you understand that — then any time at all will be the right time for you.”

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>>45744781
>are not only like us
are not only NOT like us, I meant. Also I messed up the greentext.

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>>45744781
Pointless sophistry, created by death worshipers to try and tolerate their fate.
Death makes time worthless. Immortality is the only noble goal.
It is, of course, impossible. But in fiction, where it is possible, why should an immortal know no love? Why should they be unable to partake of fleeting passions or momentary regrets? An immortal need not be a machine programmed with perfect logic, impatience can still exist even for one who has infinite time to wait.

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>>45744825
>Pointless sophistry, created by death worshipers to try and tolerate their fate.
Anon, just say you've been thinking about existential dread again, it's ok. It's happens to all of us sometimes.

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>>45744835
I have been "thinking about" existential dread since I was six years old and realized that nobody has become immortal yet, so I'm probably not going to make it.
I remember that moment. I was riding home on the school bus. It was a foggy afternoon. I sat outside and didn't go home for awhile.
Every night I repeat that death is inevitable and fearing it is fruitless endeavor. I mourn the lack of this universe's capacity for immortality. I spurn the fictitious notion that immortality should not be coveted.

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>>45744825
>An immortal need not be a machine programmed with perfect logic
Even in the book that's not the case. The old witch keeps the harpy (who is also an immortal being) captive, knowing that one day it will break free and kill her in anger. But that harpy, that immortal being, will never forget the hate and rage that it felt towards its captor for the rest of its eternal life, and the witch wants it that way, because to her immortality is when you're never forgotten.

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>>45744866
>Every night I repeat that death is inevitable and fearing it is fruitless endeavor.
You're literally describing mortality salience, the mental contradiction that humans are aware that death can't be avoided and yet the acknowledgement of this fact goes against every built-in instinct we have towards self-preservation. You betray yourself with statements like "death worshippers" and how you have to repeat it every night. Fearing it is a fruitless endeavor, and yet subconciously it terrifies you as it does all beings the same. This is the basis of terror management theory, that almost all human action is driven by our instinctual fear of death.

And yet, it is that drive that makes us accomplish anything at all. People who do nothing with their life but muse on how nothing matters because you're going to die anyway all have one trait in common: they died miserable. By contrast, a person who tries to do something with their life, no matter how fruitless the endeavor is, has a chance at some form of happiness. That's what people mean when they say that death gives our life meaning, because it drives us to actually DO something with it instead of curling in a ball and fearing the inevitable.

It also, you know, helps to believe that death is not the end and there's something waiting for us after. There's a reason most religions believe in an afterlife.

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>>45744781
That is merely 1 (one) perspective of 1 (one) immortal creature written for a story.
It's not an axiom, it's not even all that correct.

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>>45745000
>It's not an axiom, it's not even all that correct.
Actually it kinda is, time isn't an actual thing, it's a convenient lie we all believe in because it's way too fucking complicated to try and organize a society around the reality that the concept of time is something we made up as a way of measuring how things are different at one point than they are at another. But things like seconds, days, years, none of that is REAL. A year is based on one of the earth's complete revolutions around the sun, and yet the day we pick for when it begins or ends is entirely cultural, we could pick it to be at literally any point so long as we have it end with the earth gets back to the same spot in space.

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>>45745037
>as a way of measuring how things are different at one point than they are at another
As a way of measuring that things change at all, I should've said. Time is a prime conflict between relativity and quantum mechanics, measured and malleable in relativity while assumed as background (and not an observable) in quantum mechanics. We experience it but on a fundamental level, it's not real.

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>>45745037
>time isn't an actual thing
A proclamation of cosmic scale that's simultaneously tantamount to impotence.

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>>45745090
The more you learn about quantum mechanics, the more you realize the colloquial ways we describe how the universe makes no sense from the perspective of quantum mechanics.

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>>45745097
>how the universe
how the universe works*

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>>45745064
If something was not real you wouldn't experience it, either because it's not actually real or because you don't intersect with it, probably rightly so.

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>>45745097
To some they don't, quantum mechanics are quantum mechanics, the universe is the universe, for the purposes of your comprehension actual serious pursuits into the true natures of things do not belong in public.
This where I'll stop, I suppose.

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>>45745106
Again you're having problems distinguishing the difference between what's measurable in relativity vs what's unobservable on the quantum scale. Something that is experienced is only relative.

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tl;dr quantum mechanics make no goddamn sense and yet they're the underlying force behind everything in the universe. How can the subatomic be simultaneously a particle an entire wave, THAT MAKES NO SENSE AND YET THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING.
Quantum mechanics is the best scientific argument for the existence of God that has ever appeared because we're accepting a theoretical impossibility as true.

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>>45744825
The reality is humans can't accurately write from the perspective of an immortal because it is something we can never, ever experience and thus it's a perspective we can't have. We can only guess based on how WE perceive existence.
Personally I like how 40k did it with the Eldar. When you get to just keep living, you will have eventually done it all and start getting bored of the more mundane shit. So they started getting into more and more depraved practices until at some point, they were so hedonistic and depraved it caused a chaos god to be born that instantly wiped out 90% of their species by draining their souls.

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>>45745193
>The reality is humans can't accurately write from the perspective of an immortal because it is something we can never, ever experience and thus it's a perspective we can't have. We can only guess based on how WE perceive existence.
Clearly one needs to work better on one's own imagination.

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>>45745203
You can understand how a dog thinks because rabbits are real, we can observe them and understand the cause and effect of their actions. It's why we know that the dog has, relative to us, the mind of a 2-year old human. But we can't observe something that's eternal, even the stars inevitably die.

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>>45745193
>that instantly wiped out 90% of their species
It was actually 99.99999999%. People really don't know how many Eldar there used to be vs how many are left, Slaanesh fucked them up good.

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>>45745219
>But we can't observe something that's eternal
Can't we?

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>>45745229
Point to something that is eternal first. And no, not abstract concepts like "a mother's love", something tangible.

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>>45745219
>You can understand how a dog thinks because rabbits are real
because dogs are real, I meant. Though when we're using everything as perspective that still works, rabbits know that dogs are real after all.

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>>45745264
I think remake Arc is still super cute but goddamn is remake Ciel a downgrade.

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>>45737132
Rider love!
>>45737184
I miss Yanagi so much bros... I hope he's okay...

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>>45745450
We need more doujinka who just keep making works with one girl because they love them so much, like Creayus with CC or Mitarashi Club with Akiko.

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>>45745286
>>45745408
Weird thing to reply to a post that isn't even about Ciel.

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>>45744781
Nasu 101.
>It's not that they simply choose not to have these feelings, they straight up can't feel them because a mind that perceives things in the concept of eternity...
Literally Arc and Tohno.

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>>45745450
Weird arm blur. Artist error?

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>>45745531
Arc isn't eternal, if anything she doesn't understand the concept of eternity because she's been asleep for 99% of her existence. Despite the fact that she'll live supposedly forever (though really it's probably just until humanity is gone, given her role), the way she lives is very ephemeral in nature.

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We got a wonderful tmg thread out of illusion of eternity. How does Nasu do it?

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>>45745556
>because she's been asleep for 99% of her existence.
Her life is basically
>wake up
>kill Roa
>doesn't elaborate
>sleeps

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>>45745556
AE is framed as a being that represents eternity(an unreal ideal ultimately) who can't develop until being freed by death. The whole touch of the earth eternal newborn stuff.

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>>45745556
>given her role
Her role is to be the administrator of the celestial body, and also because Gaia wanted a means to defend itself ever since Plus Period:
>Though normally bound to the planet's interior, being a ‘soul’ (the chances of a celestial object being born in space is practically none. Force of Fate and Spacetime Causality which lets this be established is defined as a soul) meant for prolonged utilization (administration) of its celestial object, once it leaks onto the surface, it causes a system critical error.
>(In fact, the True Ancestors were only ever birthed to create a frame on the level of an Alter-Ego of Earth. All True Ancestors outside of Arc were failures. Yet in the True Ancestors’ last days, they succeeded in creating the Brain of the Planet that had been desired in the first place).

Humans are part of the reason TAs exist, but asshole aliens are also a thing so there is very much need for her, even if she isn't active.

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>>45745601
I like to think she snores

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>>45745626
With a single cartoon feather that starts to move away and get sucked back with the snoring?

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TM cosmology is weird and unintuitive
>planets are sentient
>"texture" layers
weird but I can grok it
>earth can administrate timelines
>root
really weird
if a Magic was just reaching the core of the planet and being able to use its power, that would feel more "grounded"
root becomes extra weird when you consider the universe beyond just earth
>ultimate ones come back from being destroyed
>concept of death
>concepts in general
really weird
either you interrupt the processes of something, or you don't
add magical higher layers to the processes, sure
that would require an attack not only have enough direct power, but also be able to reach the higher dimensions/resonate through the physical matter and into the attached spiritron
"conceptual" things should only have an "administrated effect" - i.e. Gaia recognizes that X should happen, and enforces it with its ability
everything is relative, a system of karma requires a judge
emergent properties are emergent, not inherent
I don't know what Nasu is smoking

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>>45744539
It was a build up of actions in the end. Even the recreated organs could only imperfectly divert the attack and they suggested they could aim so as to hit it next time.

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>>45745653
It's pretty elegant actually.

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>>45745686
some of it
I guess I'm just a mana blast/mage fireball/spiritron sort of fan rather than a principle/authority/concept fan

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>>45744441
Aylesbury? Something with Arc/CM waking it up?
>>45744406
It was real cool but yeah... pic of best character in 8 years of gamba.

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ORT isn't in Notes because Nasu hadn't come up with ORT back then.

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>>45745895
>killing a sexy spaceship
Shiki has no taste.

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>>45745235
>even the stars inevitably die.
Comparing something that only spent energy and resources, to something that try getting both in order to maintain its own existence is not a serious thought...

The whole logic "can't see it so it's impossible" is in contradiction with evolution/innovation : if there a godly faggot before the big bang, they will say the existance of Mon-keigh enjoying food and sex on a rock filled with water and all of that thanks to giant bright balls is impossible, because that same faggot at their time can't see shit.

If there's nobody or whatever trying something new, of course many things will stay considered "impossible". Story writers and philosophers are rarely among those who try something tangible.

Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHxF0dQEZqM

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>>45745960
What happens if you ingest these fucking things.

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>>45745960
>Comparing something that only spent energy and resources, to something that try getting both in order to maintain its own existence
One, stars also try to get both, they just make their own resources through nuclear fusion to maintain their own existence rather than seek it elsewhere.
Secondly and more importantly, as Heidegger said all of existence is just dying slowly until you actually stop dying at death.

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>>45746055
You already know the answer.

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>>45746138
It's ok, Sakura isn't white, she'll be safe

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>>45746169
Tohsaka's past 2nd (IIRC) war are part Edelfelt, so Sakura is actually Finnish-Japanese, if diluted. If Makiri magic has some effects on soul, which it very well may, she's a tiny part pseudo-Russian as well.

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>>45746207
IIRC doesn't Fuyuki in general have an abnormally high amount of citizens with some European ancestry because there's a leyline there and so a bunch of magi moved to that spot?

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>women and children

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>>45746138
Wow, walked into that. Good job.

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>>45746068
Stars don't actually die at all.

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Does this room ever get used at all? I finished Tamamo + Gil CCC route and haven't had any opportunity. Same with the storage room beside commissary.

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Is Foxtail worth reading?

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>dreamed about being cheated on by Saber while I was Shirou

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>>45748045
And I thought I was insecure

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>>45748045
Are you mind broken?

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>>45748222
Nah, it was just a weird dream for some reasons.

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>>45748045
Were you peeping on them?

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>>45748226
For what reasons?

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I had a dream about boiling an egg.

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>>45748235
The dream began with Shirou missing Saber, so he decided to call her. When Saber answered the phone, Shirou could hear the sound of plab plab from the phone and he desperately shouted at Saber multiple times
>>45748249
I don't know. I don't enjoy cuckshit at all.

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Post more Tohsaka, please.
Athletic, combat action or muscular Tohsaka especially.

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>>45748261
probably too much exposure to cuckshit via 4chan, hentai, etc.

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>>45748261
What were the preceding actions you took before you went to sleep?
Read too much garbage on the net? Overheard something?

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>>45748291
>What were the preceding actions you took before you went to sleep?
Usual stuffs. I didn't touch porn or anything. Last thing I remember was trying to hold a knfie like Shiki in the mirror.

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All my Rins are soft.

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>>45748321
Read any 4chan garbage hours beforehand?

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>>45748332
nah.

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>>45748327
Soft is fine too.

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>>45748340
Hmmm.
Some subconscious worry or warning...?
External imposition?

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>>45748351
Damn, 2003 memes. Thanks for the nostalgia.

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>>45748364
it's just weird dream, mate.
You don't have to analyze it.

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>>45748291
>Read too much garbage on the net?
He was reading high culture literature.

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>>45748545
?

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>>45748556
Shakespeare and all that sort of stuff. Cucking is all they talk about.

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>>45748579
Bleh

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>>45748351
Funny, I still don't see it.

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>>45737132
Hey /tmg/, couldn't help but notice we don't have the 10th anniversary pamphlet anywhere here, thought I'd fix that:

https://yande.re/pool/show/3949

As far as I can tell this includes the arts, the comments over the popularity polls, but not much else. This is the best source I could find, but hey, it is something at the very least.

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>>45748256
I've never had plum sandwiches

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>Jinako asks what I think of her
>I say "a kind of gf"
>get pic
bitch don't pretend you know me

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ayako route when

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Jinkoa?
Jkiona?

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>>45749420
Ayako is into older man

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sweaty aoko bra

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>>45749396
Wife.

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Calling out Gil like it's a wrestling promo

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>>45749569
>stinky chubby hafu NEET otaku with huge tits
>nearing cakedom
need to put 12 kids in her ASAP
forever mad at FGO for nerfing her boobs

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>>45749688
They actually aren't much smaller, it's just not as noticable because the rest of her got bigger

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>>45749688
>nearing cakedom
>nearing
Anon, she's 30

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>>45749688
Don't forget that she's actually rich and legitimately a 200 IQ genius hacker
imagine Jinako Lily..

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>>45749420
Some things must stay unobtainable

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>>45749745
>she's actually rich
She's not, her inheritance and parents' life insurance policy was enough that it can maintain her very low-maintenance life.
>200 IQ
She explicitly says she's not, but her parents loved her all the same.

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BREEDING
FAT
BITCH

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>>45749753
>She's not, her inheritance and parents' life insurance policy was enough that it can maintain her very low-maintenance life.
It's stated she grew up wealthy and both her parents were successful, so yeah that's a lot of money for her to have.
>She explicitly says she's not, but her parents loved her all the same.
Mere self-loathing on her part, the databook acknowledges her genius. She's a better hacker than Kiara, who fucked up the moon cell core. Jinako just doesn't apply herself correctly out of apathy and depression.

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>>45749808
>It's stated she grew up wealthy
Upper-middle class

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>>45749812
Nitpicking.
She would still be an amazing wife.
Probably a horrible mother, but that's not gonna stop me.

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BARE LEGS

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>>45749940
bear legs?

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SMAC Planet is an awakening Type

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>>45750012
No, SMAC planet is an artificially constructed planetary computer, 6 in its array.

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>>45744637
Shiki's training arc.

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>>45749688
>stinky chubby hafu NEET otaku with huge tits
Outside of the hafu part you're just describing lockdown-era Canan. Suddenly I understand the appeal here.

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touko pantyhose

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You guys are actually making me into Jinako, post more about her

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How many times would Rin have to ask Archer for him to have sex with her?

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archer has the gay

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Archer would only suck Saber's futa dick

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Rider sucks Ayako's pussy.

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>>45744781
I'm going to second that it's sophistry. For one, emotions straight up aren't cognitive, and there's no rule saying immortality requires further physiological changes.

>>45745037
You're ten lightyears too young to be attempting this argument.

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>>45752130
she's cute and her hair is REALLY fluffy and she's consumed with self-hatred and is a total coward
she also agrees to endure the longest and most ridiculous torture that anyone in Fate could have possibly experienced (save for, I dunno, Camazotz) and suffers under an indefinite amount of millennia of isolation without being allowed to sleep or lose concentration
and she's voiced by Aoi Yuuki!!

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Archer only touches Lancer

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Rin only has sex with Sakura.

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I can't beat Eli in chapter 2. Is lv16 underleveled? It sucks because I wished I had an Elixir that allowed to recover 100% HP but I'm limited to using Ether shards.

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>>45752947
>and her hair is REALLY fluffy
I think it's just unkempt.

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>>45753232
>Playing Extra without cheats
I SHIGGY DIGGY

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>>45753232
here's a tip, heal yourself when her tail is coming but DON'T block it. Blocking it always causes your character to be stunned. Still, 16 is a little low, maybe shoot for like 18. Which servant are you using?

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>>45752793
>and there's no rule saying immortality requires further physiological changes.
No but at the same time you can make up whatever rules you want because immortality is an entirely fictional concept born out of people's fear of dying.

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>>45753280
>heal yourself when her tail is coming but DON'T block it
Problem is Ether shards heal too little. And it's the best healing item you can acquire at this point.
>Which servant are you using?
Nero.

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>>45753322
>Nero.
Ok then you have no fucking excuse, you're either really bad at RPS or just straight up underleveled because I oneshot that fight with her. I only had to start redoing fights with Nero around the time of Karna onwards.

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>>45753335
Maybe I should level up a bit more then. I could swore the recommended level for chapter 2 was level 16.

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>>45753535
Easiest place to level in chapter 2 is the first floor of rani's dungeon because there's that square with the 4 enemies that all respawn super fast and there's a save/heal point in the middle of them. So if you're gonna grind in ch 2, that's where you'd do it.

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>>45751104
is such a thing possible?

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>>45754381
TOUKO SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX

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____'s sweaty ____

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>>45757025
Pits's sweaty Aoko?

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>>45757025
Saber's sweaty....vagina?

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>>45757025
Aoko's sweaty bra?

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>>45757054
Shirou that's not sweat

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>>45757025
Alice's sweaty stolen aokobra.

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>>45757025
aoko's sweaty leotard

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>>45737132
New thread:
>>45758753
>>45758753
>>45758753

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>>45752793
>physiological changes
You mean psychological changes?

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>>45759936
No.