Riichi Mahjong Thread

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can't go to WRC edition
>Wanna learn how to play?
https://mahjong.guide/a-beginners-guide-to-riichi-mahjong/
Rules: http://mahjong-europe.org/portal/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30&Itemid=166
Play against bots: https://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/mahjong/mahjong_e.html
(alternative HTML5 version in Japanese: https://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/mahjong/mahjong.html))
>Wanna play against other people?
On Tenhou: http://tenhou.net/0/
Private lobby with English people: http://tenhou.net/0/?L7447
or go wreck some /vg/ dekinais on majsoul
>Wanna read more about mahjong?
Strategy book for beginner to intermediate players: https://dainachiba.github.io/RiichiBooks/
Strategy articles: https://osamuko.com/
https://mahjong.guide/
>Wanna watch pro mahjong?
https://abema.tv/now-on-air/mahjong

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turns out that my country is an EMA country and I could've only went to the WRC if I attended some past tourneys and demonstrated my skill there. at least I now know that I'm not the only riichi player in here. gonna try to get together with my fellow riichi players if I can. hope they're not gay ojisans

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Thanks for this.
M-league is on now by the way, the day's second match just started.

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>>22896433
I'll only get to watch the replays today, but feel free to post screenshots or whatever

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So how has your grind been lately?
I've been having a good streak on majsoul, my tenhou account is dead by now so I guess I'll make another one soon.

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>>22899230
made it to 6dan back in november, I dropped back to 5 before the year ended. had a day last week where I went 4444+tonpuu4. honestly I wasn't even tilted that day, things just kept going wrong even if I made the right choices. still, I'm having a bad streak right now too, current pt: 175/2000.

today I had chun + otakaze + 4p pon, going for toitoi, my tehai was 555s (one red) + dora 8m. I drew 6s but I tsumogirid. now that was a clear mistake in my opinion, as the dora is not likely to ever come out, and a cheap win wouldn't have been bad either in the situation. later I drew 9s and cut the dora, as 9s is more likely to come out and it's still a mangan. later I drew both another dora and another 6s. it ended in ryuukyoku :((( I think if I got this agari I wouldn't have gotten last today.

I'm slowly changing my playstyle to be more defensive, for example I added the rule "don't push for noten bappu vs oya (unless it's extremely safe or extremely important). now sometimes I get games where I might get overly cautious.

today I destroyed my cheap tenpai vs oya 2fuuro + kamicha's aka ryanmen chii + likely dora in hand, and then at ryuukyoku no one was in tenpai. tokujou is a strange fucking place

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>can't go to WRC edition
Who knows? For those who aren't in an EMA country you can fill out this form and maybe you'll get lucky.
https://forms.gle/SqfxqzrChJZb4sLn6

I'm planning to be there. I'm looking forward to it, I've never been to Europe before.

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>>22900680
>country has no mahjong organization
>don't have any clubs, don't even know a single other person from here who plays
I wonder if I could make it as the only one from here to tried to apply. Doesn't matter since I can't afford the tickets anyways.

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>>22900680
>fill out form
>get email that my country is an EMA country and I should ask the people in charge
>ask
>you can only go if you've already been to some EMA riichi competitions
I thought there would at least be qualifiers locally or something, but no. all this in spite of the fact that there are no riichi clubs here

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>>22902323
How can your country be an EMA country if there are no clubs?

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>>22902381
there's a fairly active chink mahjong club, the head of that is the EMA representative of the country. she recommended that I go to some nearby countries' clubs for practice, lmao

in this pic I went "duude with that dora drop there's no way he's waiting on 7" which makes no sense at all. 9m toitsu drop is prolly the best

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>dealt into a haneman in east-1
>still got top
today's tokunan was yasashii. I think I played pretty decently, too
https://tenhou.net/0/?log=2020020203gm-0029-0000-e7277d25&tw=1

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>>22905508
bretty intense game

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>>22905675
what do you think about the round where I didn't chii the third 9p for 789 sanshoku in early midgame? I thought that was pretty 微妙, but seeing that 9s was 2/3枚切れ made me lean towards suruu.

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>>22906139
I'm not very good at this game but I wouldn't have chii'd it. I guess your line of thinking is that three 8s are already out so no one should be holding it? Also I would have riichi'd that hand too since only one 9s was left. I'm traumatized by looking at logs of rounds where I don't win and realizing most of my waits are in the dead wall. Good thing it came immediately though.

Also I don't know what any of those words mean '_>'

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>>22908455
Yeah, I was sure it was in the wall. I went for dama because no one needed 9s, and it was 100% coming out if someone drew it. I got lucky. I think riichi would have been fine too.

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>https://youtu.be/Z3rYa6QQ8WA
couldn't catch Kihara's stream live this week, but here's the vod. it's one of the best sources if you wanna get good. he also has a blog-magazine on niconico, which is like 500 yen a month or something. it looks pretty good, but I haven't made the decision to sub yet

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>check out mahjong tiles
>everything is shit and overpriced
>the one good set on aliexpress costs like 20-30€ + another 20€ for very long shipping (1.5months estimate)

I bet if I get something from amazon.jp I'll also have to buy a shitload of shipping fees

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>>22912518
Have you tried Mercari? They have some cheap sets and free shipping once in a while.
They also have interesting sets sometimes, right now there is weird touhou set and a expensive one with huge tiles with green ink and gold backs.

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>>22912852
Forgot link.
https://buyee.jp/mercari/search?keyword=%E9%BA%BB%E9%9B%80%E7%89%8C

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>>22912852
>>22912864
No, never heard of it or that website.
Basically someone buys that shit for me and then sends me the stuff? How much does it cost to ship to the EU?

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>>22914697
It's a marketplace like ebay where people can sell their stuff but for japan.
You can check their estimates on shipping on the simulator page (https://buyee.jp/help/simulator).). For me it comes out to be about 5k yen for a 3 kg package but it probably changes depending on where you live.
They do have occasional offers on shipping though, in november they had free international shipping for a weekend and last month they had 3k yen off.
For more information you should probably ask on the /vg/ threads, a lot of people bought sets from there during the free shipping deal, someone even bought 10 (>>>/vg/277065961).

[Anonymous No.]

went for the 2nd place bad shape riinomi finish only to get ronned for a mangan, and then get gyakutenned in all last as kamicha ippatsu tsumod his riichi

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Any online mahjong games with money prize pools?

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I have beeen playing Hong Kong Mahjong. How much harder is riichi Mahjong?

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>>22921641
My impression of Hong kong mahjong is that the players just go for speed all the time, trying to be the first. In riichi it's a lot different because you have to aim for yaku otherwise you can't win. Defense also plays a more important part, there's a reason why the tiles in the discard pool are all lined up so neatly.

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>>22915690
Neat.
Thanks a lot

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Tenhou meijinsen today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_lD2gBcZpY
they broadcast the first game on yt and the rest only on niconico/freshlive

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got pretty lucky just now
https://tenhou.net/0/?log=2020020516gm-0029-0000-bbfa5adf&tw=3

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So how's this month going for everyone so far?

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>>22931674
7+3+0+2
I should play more but every time I take rentai I feel compelled to take a break

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>434
today ended quickly

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it feels bad to be shit at mahjong. ;_;

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>>22939998
What's worse is worse when you don't speak nip and after a point have practically no way to get better at all.

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>>22941701
yeah, that must be truly shitty. but even if you know nip it gets exponentially harder to get better in my opinion. after the first dozen books you'll know all the basic theory that exists, yet it takes hundreds (thousands?) of games to really nail everything that you supposedly already know. I often get these rounds where I think "hmm, this seems really dangerous" to a honitsu or other call, but yet I push because I'm in tenpai. all these subtleties get more and more important as you start playing against others who have all got their basics down

If you play enough and develop your own system, then you can still get better. You could also try looking at some tenhoui replays. Even without commentary, you're gonna notice the things that every good player does.

What book would you read if you knew 日本語? if it's something I've read already then maybe I can sum up some key points for you

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>>22941840
>even if you know nip it gets exponentially harder to get better
I can imagine that, must be similar to another 'intermediate player hole' where you have lot of pieces of information in your head but need to go through hundreds of games before you digest it all and know how and where to apply every bit.

>What book would you read if you knew 日本語? if it's something I've read already then maybe I can sum up some key points for you
Thanks, but I don't even know where to start. I'm still just an amateur and haven't been playing for a while. Tomorrow I'll be done with an important commitment after which I can get back to playing regularly but even then it's a busy year for me.
I think I'll get back to learning japanese too, so the most you could do is recommend some intermediate level books which I'll try to look into when I have the time.

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>>22942063
check out Uzaku's nani kiru 301. if you check the archive you can find a mega link. also, you can sign up for an amazon unlimited trial, download all the unlimited mahjong books (there's like 40 books on there) and bam, you got free books.

I'd recommend the uzaku book because tile efficiency is something that you use in every turn, so it's easy to get some "easy gains" from it. also, the book has a glossary at the end, which could help in your language learning endeavors

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The other book that I'd recommend you read first is みーにん's 統計学のマージャン戦術. it has all the latest statistics on basically every aspect of the game. The baby edition of that book is 麻雀の2択. You might wanna read that one first.

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>>22942421
>>22942536
Alright, thanks man. I'll look into those.

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https://sp.ch.nicovideo.jp/kihara/blomaga
gonna sign up for kihara's blog-magazine today. many people say it's one of the best resources out there, yet it took me this long to cave in. hope it's worth the monthly 650 jpy (~22 jpy per article).

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Why is tenhou ippan harder than majsoul gold room?

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>>22953313
because majsoul is a shitter platform all the way. I'm really surprised by the skill in ippan tonpuu rooms sometimes. When I first started playing tenhou I riichied everything, even the shittiest tanki wait, but the guys I meet now are all decent players (besides the NoNames who quit after dealing in).

I dunno why 1dan+ people queue in the ippan tonpuu rooms though. There's at least one of those people in every game.

Gold room tonpuus have really shitty players though. people who don't defend at all vs riichis, deal into every honitsu and go for 1000 point hands even if they need a mangan to avoid last. absolutely clueless guys

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got into a game with NAGA (Mahjong AI) today. managed to avoid last despite some worse than average luck! what's more is that NAGA got last ;)

https://tenhou.net/0/?log=2020020921gm-0029-0000-65404d96&tw=0
here's the replay

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>>22954221
stupid robot, serves him right!

How do you make a tenhou AI anyway, is there an API or something? Or do you just run an automated browser instance?

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>>22954969
I don't think there's an API. NAGA works with image recognition I think. I guess it might be programmed to move the cursor or something.

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anyone up for a game?

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>>22955458
sure, post a time + timezone and I'll tell you whether I can make it

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>>22955046
Pretty sure with the html client you can just use a headless browser to read the html and use javascript to click the tiles.

>>22955458
just say when, if there aren't enough people we could always call someone from /vg/ threads

[Anonymous No.]

bros.... how am i this shit
my tile efficiency isn't horrible according to https://euophrys.itch.io/mahjong-efficiency-trainer
started playing a few days ago

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>>22961989

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>>22961989
>>22961998
You don't just have to win hands (efficiency), you also have to not deal in (defence).

If someone else riichis and your hand isn't worth at least 4 han, you should pretty much always fold immediately.

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tsumo from 4th to 1st in south 4 with a haneman feels so fucking good

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Apparently the touhou mahjong game on the switch is getting an android port. I hope it has decent online support so you could play aotenju friendlies.

https://apps.qoo-app.com/en/app/11035

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>>22963740
was it good in the first place?

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>>22963866
No idea, it's visually trash but I don't know about the gameplay.

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>>22962716
any good resources on defence? it seems completely random whether i deal in or not

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>>22964122
Highly recommend Daina Chiba's book (linked in the OP).

Don't bother with "advanced" defence strategies that involve reading waits and whatnot; focus on the basics like furiten / suji / kabe.

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kek

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got a ryanpeikou

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>>22964301
thanks anon, i'm working my way through it, and i think it's helping

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https://files.catbox.moe/ck3u1b.png
Just lost my yakuman virginity AMA. Also my first 1st place in tenhou.

Don't know what kamicha was thinking though, the chun was live AND a dora, and shimocha was in riichi. Just ippan being ippan I guess.

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>>22973233
>imageboard
>links image

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>>22973348
>imageboard admins
>ban ip ranges from uploading images
>for free

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How do I learn to look at other player's discards? To see whether they tsumogiri or not.
Every time I try to do that I just get bored and get back to my hand.
I feel like at my current level I get by on the defense aspect just by looking at the pools so I never really bothered to do that, but it's still a necessary skill to learn.

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>>22978760
The standard piece of advice is that you should first learn about what information you might infer from the discards. After you know what to look out for, it gets easier to remember key events, like "kamicha dropped a 3-5 taatsu". If you don't feel like that information would actually be useful to you, then there's no use expending your limited resources on trying to look for it.

Also, when you have a valuable hand (good speed/shapes, expensive, or both), you should just ignore the others basically.

When you have a mediocre hand, that's where it gets tricky. I would say you should first focus on counting your genbutsus. If you get something that is all kanchans with no doras, then you should try and keep safe tiles for the dealer and the one who is last (assuming you are not dealer or last). I think doing this is simpler than remembering tedashi-tsumogiri, yet you can get a lot of mileage out of this one "trick" if you haven't been looking at this before.

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>>22979041
>After you know what to look out for, it gets easier to remember key events
Thanks, I think this will help. I'm not yet at the point where I can infer someone's waits from what tiles they discard, but looking out for signs of tenpai like dropping a pair or sequence should be good enough.
The other tips seem useful too, thanks for the help. I honestly felt like my utter inability to pay attention to the discards was from an attention disorder or something, I'll let you know if I get better at it.

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>>22979567
the better you get at tile efficiency, the less you have to focus on your own hand.

you can't really infer someone's waits if they have a closed hand. there are some things, like an early 5 discard making 1-4 and 6-9 more probable, but it's all just small shifts in probability.

it's against calls that yomi is really useful. if you don't pay attention there, you will hit a wall sooner or later.

also, when you first learn this stuff you might turn into a chicken and start playing too defensively. just be careful not to overvalue the "uncertain information", and stay aware that your own hand (certain information) is the most important factor that decides whether you should push or fold

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Majsoul Friends Room 29539(4-Player South): https://mahjongsoul.game.yo-star.com/?room=29539

3/4. Default rules. Any takers?

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goddamn I'm on a 2-day 0-games streak

I'm basically worse than Hagiwara

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2:0 for hanchan in 7447
please join

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3:0

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bump

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Does anyone know why my Japanese scoring sheet starts on 3 han(?) when it's actually 1 han?

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>>22997122
Nope, but now my neck hurts.

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>>22997122
Why does the second table have even lower values?

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>>22999261
The first table is for ron, so you get points from only one person. The second table is for tsumo, so you get points from three people. The total number of points you get in either case is about the same.

>>22997122
Maybe it's to simplify the scoring formula 2^(2+han) * fu to just 2^han * fu, but it's really nonstandard and everyone just memorises the scoring table instead of calculating it anyway.

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had the best top rate in tokujou this month but then I got last twice

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>>22896383

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>>22912864
Did someone buy the 2hu one?

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>>23006904
I suppose so, I can't find it anymore.
It wasn't the usual touhou set by the way, it just had images of distinct touhous on the tiles without any indication of what tile it was. Would have been pretty hard to play with it, I'm not even sure if it was meant to be played with. Should have saved an image.
You can buy the regular touhou set from http://www.1kawaya.com/mj/r-toho.html or amazon.jp, but it's pretty expensive so you're better off waiting for a used one to show up on mercari.

Speaking of, Mercari has another offer on right now, but it only amounts to about ¥500-1000.

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>thread died
Fuck.
I guess people really aren't interested in moving here, so I guess I won't try making another one anymore. Even though the /vg/ threads have only become worse since then.
I guess I could try one of the spinoffs.