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[Anonymous No.]

Do you think `riajuu' is a useful term? I have the impression that the jay has been using it more lately.

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>>21918308
As useful as any other somewhat common slang?

[Anonymous No.]

it's for people who are too elitist to write normie but too lazy to write normalfag

[Anonymous No.]

It's exactly as useful as "normalfag" since it means pretty much the same thing and is going through a similar phase of ironic overuse, kind of like how JC, JK, and JD were originally codes used by questionable men on streets and internets but nowadays is used without any care by everybody (including JK themselves) in real life and mainstream media.

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>>21918500
Japanese JKs call themselves "JKs"? That's... kind of hot for some reason.

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>>21918592
They do. Though I'm not exactly sure it was code by questionable men first. I saw it explode on Twitter used by the girls themselves. Most of that type of Japanese slang starts from gal shit anyway.

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>>21918685
In Tentai Senshi Sunred (a tokusatsu parody / slice-of-life anime that's based heavily on IRL eleven culture), there's a character who acts in chinpira/charao style and talks about hitting JKs publicly (in a family restaurant). The anime aired between 2008 - 2010 and since it's a manga adaptation it could be even older material.
I also watched lots of variety shows around 2012 - 2016 and JK wasn't in public use at that time yet. Besides Sunred, the only place where I heard it in regular use was Anigera Didoon (usually by Mafia Kajita, the leftmost guy in pic).

The stuff that gals popularize is random stupid shit like gekioko-punpunmaru or maji-manji that lasts only few months before it's embarrasingly outdated (similar to ippatsu geinin and 流行語).

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>>21920684
I mostly talk to people online, so I dunno. I rarely watch anything. I'm pretty sure it was used commonly online around 2012 quite. I'm not sure about before then. But it was mostly younger kids.

[Anonymous No.]

Why does /jp/ even use "riajuu" at all? Why do they use "secondary" instead of "niwaka" as well?

>>21918500
What's wrong with JK et aliae being used by anyone? It's not some secret codeword, it's just and abbreviation.

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>>21921117
>Why do they use "secondary" instead of "niwaka" as well?
This is actually a good question, stealth anon.

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>>21921117
It's kind of like Lolita was originally a novel about a pedophile but is now used as a name of a fashion genre. There wasn't really any need to use JK (and especially JC) as abbreviation in the first place unless you were using it in some shady context.

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>>21920684
The magazine JSガール (a normal fashion magazine for JS) was first published in 2011

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>>21921805
Lolita is just the abbreviation of a person's name, you know. It's not a codeword either.

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>>21922235
Is a JSガール like a super-kogal?

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>>21921117
>Why do they use "secondary" instead of "niwaka" as well?
Because some fags misinterpreted the secondary in secondary works (二次創作) and started treating it like a label for people. Basically /jp/ was the real niwaka all along.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21922609
Without a shadow of a doubt

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>>21918308
I like this picture a lot. Parsee's expresion is great.

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>>21918466
Normie is used by normalfags.

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>>21918308
What's wrong with the phrase normals?

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>>21922582
While Lolita is an abbreviation of a name, and indeed is used as such within the book Lolita, you are grasping at straws if you say the word is "only" an abbreviaton. The book is one of the most famous pieces of literature in the english speaking world. The word is the name for a genre of fashion, and it is also sometimes used as a descriptive term for little girls.

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>>21921117
>>21923602
Not an expert of Japanese slang, but doesn't niwaka mean newfag or poser/bandwagoner?
That's not what "secondary" usually wants to emphasize, at least in its most coherent meaning (i.e. not "Everyone/Everything I don't like").
A secondary is supposed to be someone who indulges exclusively or almost exclusively in derivative ("secondary") works, while disregarding the official works by the primary source (in our case, ZUN).

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>>21929821
"Normals" is fine. "Squares" is pretty hip, too.

[Anonymous No.]

It's similar to normalfag but they are not exact terms

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>>21929923
Where's the part where it's a secret pervert codeword that is strange to hear being used by normalfags? Being used in reference to
A: someone's name
B: a famous piece of literature
C: a mainstream fashion
Doesn't make it this secret underground special word that was oddly appropriated by the targets of the word like the guy talking about JK implied. The original poster said this
>There wasn't really any need to use JK (and especially JC) as abbreviation in the first place unless you were using it in some shady context.
There's plenty of reasons why you would use the word outside of a shady context from the very inception of it until now. The shady uses are the newest ones even. Even the Japanese shady usage is a back formation from the normal pejorative word lolicon. The only time it's ever been a shady word really is that brief time in early internet when all those ``modelling'' sites were around.

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>>21929964
Oh I didn't see this. How is
>someone who indulges exclusively or almost exclusively in derivative ("secondary") works, while disregarding the official works by the primary source
Different from being a poseur?

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>>21934215
What do you mean, they are different things

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>>21934206
The JK/JC terms were literally invented by the prostitution industry as a way to covertly advertise that they had underage girls on offer

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>>21934285
How do you covertly advertise by literally saying "female high school student"?

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>>21934285
Did they really pimp out not just JKs, but JCs?

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>>21934215
The poser tries to mimic (he "poses as") the appearance of an actual fan in order to get social acceptance by that group, despite having, at best, a superficial understanding of what he's talking about.
A Touhou poser would be someone who shows up in a gameplay thread, tries to brag and downplay other people's skills and say "DDC is casual trash, everybody knows that, you just need to reach the PoC to get resources, it's clear that ZUN has lost his touch when it comes to solid gameplay", without having actually played firsthand DDC and thus knowing the risks of staying in the PoC area.
The secondary isn't desperately trying to fit in, nor he's trying to get social credit among primaries. His appreciation of the general idea of Touhou, while limited to non-official works, doesn't have ulterior motives and it doesn't have to be communicated to others.
To be a secondary, you just need to binge read/listen to/watch fanmade works without touching ZUN's official works. You can perform this entirely on your own, without any "local" community.

[Anonymous No.]

All variants strike me as a shallow insult by the speaker, regardless of whichever one is hip or passé.

Why spend time labelling others when you can go and define your own existence?

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>>21935519
I'll also add that the other two meanings I've found are a bit discordant as well, so the Japanese term still eludes me.
"Newfag" doesn't have anything to do with the sincerity of the appreciation or a voluntary exclusion of certain objects from one's appreciation. In the case of Touhou, you can be a newfag without having ever touched a single fanwork.
"Bandwagoner" requires a very specific element: the fad aspect. The bandwagoner rides on the wave of popularity and is prone to quickly discard the series in favor of the next big thing once the craze has subsided. Nowadays, you can't really be a Touhou bandwagoner, unless another Touhou boom happens like in the past.

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>>21935742
What about people that immediately jump on drawing/producing works for the newhus to get quick fame? Can they be called "Bandwagoner"? Or it has to be an entirely different (but popular) thing?

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>>21935519
>A Touhou poser would be someone who shows up in a gameplay thread, tries to brag and downplay other people's skills and say "DDC is casual trash, everybody knows that, you just need to reach the PoC to get resources, it's clear that ZUN has lost his touch when it comes to solid gameplay", without having actually played firsthand DDC and thus knowing the risks of staying in the PoC area.
>The secondary isn't desperately trying to fit in, nor he's trying to get social credit among primaries. His appreciation of the general idea of Touhou, while limited to non-official works, doesn't have ulterior motives and it doesn't have to be communicated to others.
Still, aren't they the ones that argue stupid shit about character personalities and interactions based entirely on fan portrayals and memes of them? Without having seen first hand portrayals, the latter seems like the former whenever they interact with primaries.

My comparison of the words (niwaka and secondary) is based on the idea that neither would know what the fuck they are talking about when speaking with a so-called primary despite claiming to be a fan.

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>>21935643
>Why spend time labelling others when you can go and define your own existence?
Because of sociopaths.

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>>21935753
Sure, you can call them that, but as long as they get Touhou and produce high-quality works it is not a bad thing. Bandwagoning is basically only bad when it is shallow and done only for the social standing and companionship. Some of the most dedicated, knowledgeable and creative fans of /jp/ content jumped on the 2hu/Fate/Umineko/etc. bandwagon when the work in question was popular.

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>>21935867
Leaving aside the fact that "secondaries" only exist under certain conditions (like in Touhou, which has a strong production of fanworks that runs parallel to ZUN's official work), while you can be a poser of pretty much anything that gives you recognition, I think the two big differences mostly have to do with the intent and they are the need of social interaction and the good faith behind their assertions.
The very idea of poser needs a social group that can grant you recognition, because the poser's goals are ultimately ego-istic. He seeks other people's consideration, a consideration that values him as a legit member of the group.
On the other hand, since he's forced to connect with other members, he has to mantain a knowledgeable facade, otherwise he will be exposed as a faker. So, in a conversation, he might or might not be sure of the accuracy of his claims, but, as long as he still appears to be a fellow "true" fan, his goal is met.
Conversely, the secondary doesn't need a community to interact with. He could easily enjoy his hobby on his own. The element of social acceptance is entirely optional here. As his pursuance isn't propped up by ulterior motives (the secondary genuinely enjoys the fanworks for what they are), his appreciation, in a sense, is more "honest", although directed at the "wrong" object (i.e. a consumption only limited to fanworks that doesn't leave room for ZUN's works as well).
This point is connected with what I said at the beginning about the difference being mostly psychological and with what you're asking about claims in a conversation:
the secondary fully believes what he's saying. It doesn't occur to him that his perception is skewed from the beginning due to portrayals that didn't faithfully represent canon and, when he's called out, he finds out the fanworks kinda "lied".

tldr: the poser partakes in conversations and says wrong shit because, in his quest towards recognition that strokes his own ego, he didn't take in consideration that actual fans know their stuff and can expose him well.
The secondary partakes in conversations and says wrong shit because, although he might have a genuine interest in the topic, he's been given flawed knowledge.
>>21935753
The pejorative aspect of bandwagoning isn't marked by the beginning of the interest, but rather by the nature of the loss of interest. If you want to be part of the cool and trendy club and eventually find yourself genuinely interested in it, there's nothing wrong with that. If you quickly jump from Touhou to Kancolle to FGO to whatever is next, I'm gonna raise an eyebrow.
Besides, as >>21936004 points out, we still get positive side effects from bandwagoning.

[Anonymous No.]

bump

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>>21935945
tfw I'll never be a mop-fucking sociopath

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>>21945029
It depends. Are you into kigurumi?

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>>21918308
This is the last thing seen on Warosu.
What the fuck did she do? Is she really that angry she gets no threads that she resorted to such an unreasonable means of gathering attention?

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>>21945531
No, I'm not into dudes

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>>21951242
That greatly reduces your chances, then.

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>>21940052
Is this the Parsee thread?

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>>21954715
Yes.
See >>21945897.
She’s so unpopular that you can’t even identify her threads. Paru is Pissed-u. Her thread scrapes page 10.

[Anonymous No.]

Parsee is jealous that she doesn't get more threads, so she held Warosu hostage! The only solution is to turn this into a Parsee thread and cheer her up.

[Anonymous No.]

She’s even in perfect character.
Smiling even though she fucked everything up.
She smiles in your face and talks behind your back.
Which one of you faggots said anything beyond a “hi” and mentioned Warosu.

>using it more lately
THAT PRINCESS! She consipred it all along!
>Riajuu
>niwaka
She purposely insults /jp/. She never gets threads but will badmouth those who do give her one. She’s an impossible girl to deal with!
Even if you were bottom tier, she would speak lower of herself!
That PRINCESS!
I even gave tribute to her even though it’s nowhere near as good as someone like Sagume’s
You can’t talk to her
You can’t make threads for her
You can’t compliment her
You can’t do anything for her!
PARSEE！ IF YOU WERE A GOOD GIRL, PEOPLE WOULD FIND YOU CUTE, KNIFE EARED
CUTIE!

THIS IS A PARSEE THREAD NOW!
TOUHOU HIJACK!

[Anonymous No.]

did warosu stop archiving?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21955435

Persian Hashihime Thread now!

[Anonymous No.]

Parsee welcoming you home with a kiss, and then questioning you to make sure you weren't cheating on her!
Parsee complaining about how jealous she was of everyone she saw today!
Parsee making you a delicious dinner even though she says Sakuya is a better cook!
Parsee making love to you, all the while complaining that you're better at sex than her!
Parsee!

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>>21918685,2
You’re late as fuck

[Anonymous No.]

hola mama

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>>21964094
based

[Fucking losers No.]

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>>21918308
Normie is a much better term desu.

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>>21964094
,

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>>21968995
Get out

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>>21958593
How hard would she kill you if you jokingly compared her to one of her friends?

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>>21968995
Please return to where you came from.

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>>21972143
Not hard enough.